http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090521/ap_on_go_co/us_congress_credit_cards


At the end of this article this nice little piece of legislation is slipped in.:D


"included in the bill is an unrelated measure by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., that would allow people to bring loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges.
The House approved that provision separately on Wednesday by a 279-147 vote"

Though in this case the outcome may be beneficial to us as gun owners, I HATE that lawmakers tag extra UNRELATED shit onto bills. It's like "Hey here's a bill that will institute a flat 20% income tax. Oh, and it also makes it illegal to eat pickles on thursday."


WTF?

I agree with with him. This time it was used to benefit us but think of all the times its been used to screw us. We lost millions of acres of public land earlier this year when someone did this.

I agree with with him. This time it was used to benefit us but think of all the times its been used to screw us. We lost millions of acres of public land earlier this year when someone did this.

Yeah like the Firearm Owners Protection Act :mad3:

I agree with most here that though this time it is something good for us. I hate the addition of riders and pork barrel, and other little legislatures added to bills. Line item veto needs to be instituted, there ya go that is some "change" I would support from the Saviour.

Line item veto needs to be instituted, there ya go that is some "change" I would support from the Saviour.

Honestly, I think line item veto would be a dangerous thing. Congress could cease to have incentive to work together on anything at all, and instead just load up bills with all the pork they can find, and let the President sort it out. When something goes wrong, "hey, I voted for the good, blame the President for cutting it".

I think the Founding Fathers recognized the importance of it being difficult to pass legislation, they believed fairly strongly that less is more when it comes to government, and that gridlock is a way of enforcing that even as government bloats (as many of them predicted it would).

I don't think that the pandering scenario we've got now is necessarily a good thing, either, though. The "I'll let you put fifteen pounds of crap in my bill if you and your buddies will vote for it" attitude is extraordinarly destructive.

Honestly, I think line item veto would be a dangerous thing. Congress could cease to have incentive to work together on anything at all, and instead just load up bills with all the pork they can find, and let the President sort it out. When something goes wrong, "hey, I voted for the good, blame the President for cutting it".

I think the Founding Fathers recognized the importance of it being difficult to pass legislation, they believed fairly strongly that less is more when it comes to government, and that gridlock is a way of enforcing that even as government bloats (as many of them predicted it would).

I don't think that the pandering scenario we've got now is necessarily a good thing, either, though. The "I'll let you put fifteen pounds of crap in my bill if you and your buddies will vote for it" attitude is extraordinarly destructive.

Hmm, good points. I find no flaw in your statement and see the logic behind your thoughts.

I must say your point is very valid, both.:beer:

I for one am surprised we aren't hearing about Magnitude 8 or higher earthquakes in the ares where the founding fathers are buried because they are spinning so fast