Every few months my buddies get out of the 'regular' range and head to the mountains to do some shooting. Why you ask...

The range doesn't allow rapid fire
The range doesn't allow shooting wet phone books, water melon, cabbage, water bottles and other cool shit.

So the water melons explode nicely when hit with .45ACP in Federal HST. The watermelons EXPLODE when hit with a shotgun slug. Holy cow, juice and rind flying everywhere!

The wet phone books were hit with 9mm, .45, .223, 7.26x39 and .308. oh and shotgun slugs! All of them were shot from 10' away. All of the pistol calibers went through about 9" of book. Can't remember on the rifles. A few of the 9 & .45 had HPs that failed to expand. The 'hollow' was filled with paper shreds. Gotta say the HST looks nasty when fully expanded! Can't remember what .308 was used but the copper outside was stripped from the core and that was all we found. All of them you could follow the wound channel through the pages.

Now when it came time to shoot the phone books with the slug we weren't sure what to expect. But after the watermelon test, we were expecting a lot. We were not disappointed! You didn't have to follow the wound channel through the books- you could see right through them:eek:. When the slug stopped it was about 1.5" in diameter and left a big ass freaking hole!! If I ever get attacked by phone books then I'm reaching straight for the shotgun with slugs. I can't believe the hurt it put on them books.

What is the downside to slugs? Range, accuracy? What about with a rifled bore? What is the minimum size bore (choke) to shoot slugs (Cyl-ImpCyl-Mod)?


Before all of the "this thread sucks without pics" responses- yeah, we forgot the camera!


By the way, have I mentioned that I hate Fawkers who leave their shit all over the forest:mad3:. Some douche bags left CDs, a printer, paint cans, laundry detergent bottles, oh and a USPS box with the To and From address:shaking:. I'll dig through the bags of trash I brought home and see if I brought that. I can only fit some much trash in the truck. If I have it there will be a post in chit chat with both names and addresses.

By the way, have I mentioned that I hate Fawkers who leave their shit all over the forest:mad3:. Some douche bags left CDs, a printer, paint cans, laundry detergent bottles, oh and a USPS box with the To and From address:shaking:. I'll dig through the bags of trash I brought home and see if I brought that. I can only fit some much trash in the truck. If I have it there will be a post in chit chat with both names and addresses.

You mean all of the other "cool shit"?

Did you pick up every scrap of paper from the destroyed phonebook?

:rolleyes:

Paper will decompose. As, I imagine, would watermelon.

If he left pieces of plastic bottle, then you might get to complain. But it sounds like he filled his truck with other people's trash. So he probably got all of his. ;)

Paper will decompose. As, I imagine, would watermelon.

If he left pieces of plastic bottle, then you might get to complain. But it sounds like he filled his truck with other people's trash. So he probably got all of his. ;)

I have no problems with melons, critters will eat (or poop on, if they're Javelinas) those.

I've seen the remmnants of a phone book that's been shot-up before. Paper gets strewn literally everywhere.

The topic is sensitive to me, as the closest non-range shooting spot is always trashed regardless of how much it is cleaned up by me, you, or anyone (but not everyone apparently) else. There is always at least a new TV or computer out there that's been blasted by a shotgun, or 6 milliion 22LR's.

Did you pick up every scrap of paper from the destroyed phonebook?
:rolleyes:

The beauty of the wet phone book is that it doesn't shred (like a dry one would), clean up is easy is it is substantially in one piece.


If he left pieces of plastic bottle, then you might get to complain. But it sounds like he filled his truck with other people's trash. So he probably got all of his. ;)

Yes- got all mine and then some.

I always lay down a tarp before shooting tv's, etc.
It's the quickest, easiest cleanup.

For all you young guys reading this - take a tarp. Lay it down, shoot some shit up - then just fold it up like a blanket and take it to the dumps.

I always lay down a tarp before shooting tv's, etc.
It's the quickest, easiest cleanup.

For all you young guys reading this - take a tarp. Lay it down, shoot some shit up - then just fold it up like a blanket and take it to the dumps.

This is a legitimate question... Are TV's really that cool when they're shot? I see so many of them around in the desert here.

I am not a fan of anyone who brings his trash to shoot then leave it behind. Its the #1 reason places get closed. Just like the 4wd trails.
I do appreaciate those who clean and pick up others trash, but they are in the minority.

Ive hauled home countless loads of trash & crap shot up from those other idiots & put in my own trash cans, very simple task that 95% of shooters just wont do.

a few friends and i went out a couple weeks ago with a group called plink (please keep it nra klean). we went to spots in the forest and picked up other people's shot up junk. every time i go out in the forest to shoot, i end up bringing back far more trash than i brought. i've pretty much just been bringing steel plate targets lately unless i am zeroing or working on a load.

Where are you guys heading? Anyone still go to Foresthill in the quarry? Or that spot up Mormon Emmigrant just past the dam/bridge?

Where are you guys heading? Anyone still go to Foresthill in the quarry? Or that spot up Mormon Emmigrant just past the dam/bridge?

the spot off mit past the damn is probably the same spot i helped clean up a couple weeks back. there are a few other spots off of mit that also got cleaned up by others during the plink clean up. i won't go shoot there because i don't like seeing the mess and the trees being shot up by irresponsible shooters. it is absolutely ridiculous that people can't/won't pick up after themselves. people shooting the huge cedar trees almost all the way through really pisses me off:mad3:.

Yea, I've only been to that spot once, and it was long ago. We just shot clays mostly that day. That's the reason I won't go back, and pay my dues at the range instead. It's disgusting the trash out at most of those places. Foresthill was fun once in awhile because you could shoot a bit of a distance, but now that dirtbike season is upon us again...I wouldn't shoot a gun out there, just to play it safe.

[QUOTE=Yota Up;9899130]I always lay down a tarp before shooting/QUOTE]

Sorry for partly quoting you- take the tarp - a big one- and stand off to the side. Your brass will land on the tarp and then you can wrap it up and sort brass when you go home. Even if you don't reload, it makes it easy to pick up the trash.

Yes- we went up to MIT. Not sure what area is just beyond the dam. But there is a pretty big area we go to that is kind of a valley (hills make nice back stops).

I'm anal about keeping the place clean- I remember the first time I took my buddies (not outdoors people) and they said they would bring glass bottles to shoot.:eek: I quickly said no since you can't easily pick up the glass. Now they are 'trained' and don't even question about what to clean up.

300Sniper- next time you go do clean up let me know and I'll join.

300Sniper- next time you go do clean up let me know and I'll join.


we did it the same day as this: http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=786303