MoROC (http://www.moroc.us)

If your from the midwest, get in on this one asap!

when would the comp be?? this year yet? or in the spring?

Tentatively, Spring 2003.

cmk

Originally posted by cmk
Tentatively, Spring 2003.

cmk

So that's right when every circuit starts????

cm "no real good information" k :flipoff2:


JT- Hopefully you guys can plan it so your events are in a different month than others in the region. Say if ERoCC starts in April and has their second event in June, then make sure you try to put yours in May or at least a couple weeks apart from most other major circuits.

Competing in a MoROC Event
MoROC is currently accepting competitors. MoROC will cut off membership at the first 50 competitors. After the first 50 participants, there will be a waiting list to take the place of drop out competitors... If you think you have what it takes to safely and competitively participate in MoROC events, then you can sign up to be a competitor. Points will follow Drivers only. Spotters must only spot one driver per event. Drivers have to remain active in trailbuilding and have to attend every MoROC Event in order to compete...

:rolleyes:

So if a driver misses one event he's out.
This doesn't sound good if you trying to build a competitor base
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I would say get your first 50 and then worry about making a waiting list.;)

What's the location for the comps?? (approximate anyways....trying to figure driving distance for my junk)

Checking out their bbs, it looks like they have yet to secure the land to hold the comps on ... hrm.

cm " 'big'-dude ... I don't get the 'big' part come from" k :flipoff2:

Originally posted by cmk
Checking out their bbs, it looks like they have yet to secure the land to hold the comps on ... hrm.

cm " 'big'-dude ... I don't get the 'big' part come from" k :flipoff2:

The admin guy is from St. Louis, Missouri so somewhere around there maybe? Talk about no info anywhere on either site! Jeez. :rolleyes:

So what do you need a doctors excuse to miss an event :shaking:

I hope I can get on their waiting list, I'm sure they already have their 50 rig limit judging by the publicity :laughing:

Originally posted by cmk
Checking out their bbs, it looks like they have yet to secure the land to hold the comps on ... hrm.




Bawahahahahaha :laughing: Pumping up the comp and they don't have land yet, I hope you're wrong cm "might have given a little useful information but still likes to stare at fat chicks" k

Originally posted by bigdude
So what do you need a doctors excuse to miss an event :shaking:

I hope I can get on their waiting list, I'm sure they already have their 50 rig limit judging by the publicity :laughing:

I quote from the page:

"Competing in a MoROC Event
MoROC is currently accepting competitors. MoROC will cut off membership at the first 50 competitors. After the first 50 participants, there will be a waiting list to take the place of drop out competitors... If you think you have what it takes to safely and competitively participate in MoROC events, then you can sign up to be a competitor. "

Sounds like they are looking for COMPETITORS not spotters. Or did you get that Jeep done and start "Team Pink" like you wanted to? :flipoff2:

notice however, that the 5-6 competitors on the list already have dates....better take a bath bigdude or you'll be alone at the prom!

Originally posted by MattS
Sounds like they are looking for COMPETITORS not spotters. Or did you get that Jeep done and start "Team Pink" like you wanted to? :flipoff2:

My shits done and ready to compete any time. Problem is that I have top competitors asking me to spot for them. This guaratees me a PAYDAY and allows me to get some more experience while making some cash. :idea:

Or, I guess I could be like you and just post shit on the PBB and get fat spectating :laughing: beeeeeeotch :flipoff2:


Woody..... I can't think of anything right now, so :flipoff2:

JT- no offense- I know your heart is in the right place- but you need to take another look at things.


You're asking competitors to sign blank checks- Must participate in trail building- dude, I have a life and it involves many things besides Krawlin, you give no hours or dates- nothing! I might show for a weekend of trail building- but that's all i've got to give.

Must show to every event- You my friend are not my mommy let alone my daddy. You've got no dates and even if you did, if I'm not welcome because I chose to miss an event for whatever reason (Sick, grenaded rig, family issues, another comp, biz commitments) that's bull.

If you want people, especially those with credentials, to come you've got to make it inviting, not my way or the highway.

Throw another post up when you get some issues worked out. I'd delete this post before your name get's ruined- my .02

Good luck:rolleyes:

Build a worthy event/series and I will be there:D

Originally posted by syko
Competing in a MoROC Event
MoROC is currently accepting competitors. MoROC will cut off membership at the first 50 competitors. After the first 50 participants, there will be a waiting list to take the place of drop out competitors... If you think you have what it takes to safely and competitively participate in MoROC events, then you can sign up to be a competitor. Points will follow Drivers only. Spotters must only spot one driver per event. Drivers have to remain active in trailbuilding and have to attend every MoROC Event in order to compete...

:rolleyes:

So if a driver misses one event he's out.
This doesn't sound good if you trying to build a competitor base
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I would say get your first 50 and then worry about making a waiting list.;)

I need to update that site... those were initial things we came up with, and they are out of date. Remember that rules won't be set for a couple months... we're still in the stages of trying to consider everything, and learning from the big dogs that already have running and respected events (ie erocc/uroc/arca).

We've since talked about doing 5-6 events and taking the best scores of 3-4 or them so that it allows for a few to be missed.

Originally posted by bigdude



Bawahahahahaha :laughing: Pumping up the comp and they don't have land yet, I hope you're wrong cm "might have given a little useful information but still likes to stare at fat chicks" k

We have one location partially built out - will be done this winter. There is another in the works, and people are working on yet more locations all around southern missouri.

Hopefully we'll have at least two location built out before spring 2003.

Originally posted by MattS


I quote from the page:

"Competing in a MoROC Event
MoROC is currently accepting competitors. MoROC will cut off membership at the first 50 competitors. After the first 50 participants, there will be a waiting list to take the place of drop out competitors... If you think you have what it takes to safely and competitively participate in MoROC events, then you can sign up to be a competitor. "

Sounds like they are looking for COMPETITORS not spotters. Or did you get that Jeep done and start "Team Pink" like you wanted to? :flipoff2:

Again.. I need to update that page - those are just ideas we put up initially and with all the input we've been getting things have really changed allot. I promise to make that a top priority in my busy life... seriously - but till then, ignore that page.

Competitors include drivers and spotters - ie a TEAM.

Originally posted by JT


We have one location partially built out - will be done this winter. There is another in the works, and people are working on yet more locations all around southern missouri.

Hopefully we'll have at least two location built out before spring 2003.

Looks like somebody was wrong, huh cm"whoops"k

Originally posted by JT
We've since talked about doing 5-6 events and taking the best scores of 3-4 or them so that it allows for a few to be missed.

Definitely update the site, or at least mention that none of what's there is set in stone. As for a points series, I say include the scores from all events. If someone comes to 4 events & someone else comes to 6, the guy who came to 4 understands that he has less of a chance of winning the series. If he doesn't understand that, he needs to be MADE to understand ;)

The only think you MIGHT consider is if you have 1 or 2 events that conflict with MAJOR groups, you might consider making those events non-point events. Even that I'd think twice about though.

TEX

BTW, I really don't see a problem with your preference system for the first 50 entrants, it just needs to be worded different. If I'm reading this correctly:

*No more than 50 entrants per event
I think everyone can live with that.

*Event #1, first come, first serve
Again, no problem

*Event #2, Competitors from Event 1 get first crack at the 50 spots
Cool

*Event #2, someone from event #1 doesn't come. Alternate takes his place.
Still cool

*Event #3, guy who went to event #1 but not Event #2 wants to come. But, his spot is filled by the guy who DID come to Event #2. Guy who actually competed at most recent event gets first dibs on that spot.
Sounds reasonable to me.

*Event #3, enough from Event #2 drop out so that those who competed in #1, but not #2 have room to enter. Now, here's where it gets fuzzy. Who's at the top of your alternates list? The guys who have competed with you in the past, or the original alternates who have yet to get into an event?



TEX

Originally posted by G02Guy
JT- no offense- I know your heart is in the right place- but you need to take another look at things.


You're asking competitors to sign blank checks- Must participate in trail building- dude, I have a life and it involves many things besides Krawlin, you give no hours or dates- nothing! I might show for a weekend of trail building- but that's all i've got to give.

Must show to every event- You my friend are not my mommy let alone my daddy. You've got no dates and even if you did, if I'm not welcome because I chose to miss an event for whatever reason (Sick, grenaded rig, family issues, another comp, biz commitments) that's bull.

If you want people, especially those with credentials, to come you've got to make it inviting, not my way or the highway.

Throw another post up when you get some issues worked out. I'd delete this post before your name get's ruined- my .02

Good luck:rolleyes:

Build a worthy event/series and I will be there:D

LOL... hey man.. send me ideas, don't tell me I'm gonna ruin my name just because I threw some stuff up to get the gears churning... Like I've said before , NOTHING IS SET IN STONE, INITIAL STAGES, ETC... We're putting it out there to get folks involved, to get the gears turning, etc.. that is how this stuff gets started and this ain't gonna be my show. I'm not King MoROC nor do I want to steer this thing - its' gonna be the creation of many interested parties and as democratic as possible.

Anyway.. thanks for the suggestions - and again - ignore that damn page - that's way old news - I promise I'll change that page asap..

Our rules will be following Erocc for the most part going from the input I'm getting...

As far as trailbuilding - we'll expect anyone that can to help, but obviously people have lives, etc. It will be suggested that peeps help out, but I don't think there's anyway we can make that a requirement.

Anyway...

Originally posted by bigdude


Looks like somebody was wrong, huh cm"whoops"k

Well, technically I guess he's not - because we don't have the course completed yet and we are looking for more locations.

Maybe he's just partially wrong :)

J 'in defense of CMK' T

and lean off my homey CMK there bigdude :flipoff2:, before you get the trout :) J/K

JT- glad I had you laughing- that page you sent everyone to did you in- sure it's cleared up now but in the future you might want to have that stuff fixed before you send everyone there.

I'll sign up- but you've still got the blank check thing going on.

Big dude- maybe we can hook up together sometime if you're freelancing your talent.

I'm not sure what next yr will bring for me but it would be a mistake to schedule your events too close to those of the larger series and certainly not on the same weekend. As an example- I just blew off John Loyd's Hot springs comp because I was leaving two days later for a major event. John's a good friend and i had a lot of other friends there too but who wants two days to fix things between events??

It would also be lousy for points- now the local guys who don't go anywhere else may not agree but the caliber you are trying to draw will not be impressed with lousy points because of conflicting dates with major events- if you want them there you have to make it viable.

Disney OK is close enough to you guys to be a viable site, it has been done so we know it can be done

Is this series going to be pure rock or rock and other "stuff" in the neighborhood- you know hills, trees, speed, mud etc.??

Good luck and let me know when and how I can help.

Originally posted by JT
As far as trailbuilding - we'll expect anyone that can to help, but obviously people have lives, etc. It will be suggested that peeps help out, but I don't think there's anyway we can make that a requirement.
Anyway...

Thanks for the updates JT, I think alot of people would be happy to join in the trail building also. Just word it different! ;) Post some dates and places and maybe we can get a crew for a work weekend. I'm pretty far away and rigless for now but if a tow rig can get there I would try and make it! :D

Originally posted by JT
Well, technically I guess he's not - because we don't have the course completed yet and we are looking for more locations.

Maybe he's just partially wrong :)

J 'in defense of CMK' T

and lean off my homey CMK there bigdude :flipoff2:, before you get the trout :) J/K

LMAO I forgot about the "trout." Talk about history.

Hell, I can't be 100% right all the time. I'm just gathering info and helping to bring it to the masses ... for the betterment of the masses.

JT's a decent dude. If his success with MORoCC is anything like Camp Jeep and the Ozark JJ, it will be great. As with any event though, help is always needed: both intelectually and physically.

Oh, and JT, fret not about bigdude. I can take him ...























... out for a beer. One has to keep a guy like that on your good side after all.

cmk

Originally posted by cmk

Hell, I can't be 100% right all the time.



thank god....up til now we though you were perfect! :flipoff2:



And, back on topic, it sounds like these will be held in S MO...which means I'll have an even better excuse to visit my grampa in Mt Vernon....think a 93 year old man could spot for me?? (he's got bigger muscles than CM"scrawny"K!)

Originally posted by woody
I'll have an even better excuse to visit my grampa in Mt Vernon....think a 93 year old man could spot for me??

Well, at least he'll be able to point out the rattlesnakes to ya before ya step on 'em :D

TEX

Originally posted by woody
thank god....up til now we though you were perfect! :flipoff2:

....think a 93 year old man could spot for me?? (he's got bigger muscles than CM"scrawny"K!)

I didn't think I had you fooled for a second. :flipoff2:

I'll tell ya' what, "Timmy" (spotted for Durham in Attica) hasn't got more than 15 pounds or so on me. You pop for the cheeseburgers and I'll think about pulling a strap for ya'. ;)

cmk

You promise to not sue me or McDonalds in the process and we'll talk....

Originally posted by G02Guy
Big dude- maybe we can hook up together sometime if you're freelancing your talent.

I'm a spotter ho. Just tell me when and where, offer me a cut of the profit, and I'll be there. Unfortunately I usually have to travel a ways so we'll need to place high enough to get paid :D

I have to interject here... (God help me :)

You have to do it for the fun to make it a hobby...

You have to be a part of the hobby to be a worthy spotter...

You have to be willing to spot for free if your worth the crap....

If your worthy, the money might follow...

If your honorable, you'll donate it to a wothy cause for us all :)

Originally posted by JT
I have to interject here... (God help me :)

You have to do it for the fun to make it a hobby...

You have to be a part of the hobby to be a worthy spotter...

You have to be willing to spot for free if your worth the crap....

If your worthy, the money might follow...

If your honorable, you'll donate it to a wothy cause for us all :)

So according to you I'm only honorable if I travel hundreds of miles on my own dollar, huck rocks, pull straps, beat myself to death for two days (serious spotters don't fuck around), and then donate the few bucks I might happen to take home.....

GET FUCKING REAL YOU DIPSHIT!!!!

I hope you were kidding.

What you say is correct JT, but some of us Hobby guys are starting to look at and travel to events that are a considerable distance a way, and some have considerable entry fees.

You can only justify "spending" so much on your hobby, whether its cash, travel time or vacation time. When looking at multiple event opportunities, knowing you can't do them all, the ones that are upside down fall of the list first.

By upside down I mean, greatest distance, travel/vacation time consumed, entry fee, hotel, fuel costs all of which gets weighed against the opportunity for prize money to offset your cost.

Bottom line is for many of us hobby wheeling can be done pretty close to home with minimal expense. Competing consumes resources- you'd be a fool not to be careful how you allocate those resources.:eek:

Originally posted by G02Guy

Bottom line is for many of us hobby wheeling can be done pretty close to home with minimal expense. Competing consumes resources- you'd be a fool not to be careful how you allocate those resources.:eek:


Yep. I choose to allocate any expense reimbusrement (from winnings) to my bank account. If I was a millionaire then that $500 would go to charity, but I'm not, so that $500 covers my travel and time. ($500 as a figurative example)

No why am I "dishonorable" because of that?? I think somebody has a lot to learn and is too used to wheeling in his backyard.

Originally posted by G02Guy
Bottom line is for many of us hobby wheeling can be done pretty close to home with minimal expense. Competing consumes resources- you'd be a fool not to be careful how you allocate those resources.:eek:

True of any kind of competition wheeling. I know I've got a mud race coming up in 3 weeks that conflicts with a more "prestigious" event. But, the potential to win $$$ is about the same at both events. I've been told by a lot of folks that they're skipping THAT event because mine is closer, and therefore the cost to attend is lower (Obviously, the folks who live closer to THAT event will go there instead of here). 2 of the folks coming to mine are #1 & #2 in points with the "other" group in their class. But, they're far enough apart that the series has been decided, so they're sticking closer to home.

And the thing is, nobody even hopes to recoup ALL of their costs - not when you start talking about what they've spent on their comp rig, their tow vehicle, & their trailer. But, if you can't at least win back your gas/entry/hotel $$$ every now & then, no way could most of us afford to continue to participate in the sport.

The other groups here are those that conduct these events. I myself couldn't afford to donate my time. Sure, I could for a couple of local events every year. But, if want to do 20-30 events a year - and I do - there's an awful lot of expense involved in that, not to mention time. So much time, that to run the kind of schedule I'd like, there's no way I could hold down a "real" job. And while I applaud those groups that have been successful in putting on quality events using strictly volunteers, eventually you max out your potential way below your goals unless you start getting paid professionals. And what I mean by that is that you can only do so many events & only travel so far from your home base if all your workers are volunteers.

Now, that's not to say that charities can't benefit from these events, even when paid professionals are involved. My mud races are often used as charity fund raising events by civic organizations. They hire me to conduct the race & then they go out & get sponsors to cover a lot of their expenses. Then they collect the admissions $$ & sell a lot of food & :beer: And the next thing you know, they make $20,000 in a day even though they had to PAY someone to put on the event & had to PAY the winners of all the classes. And those winners need not feel guilty. The fact that they can make back some of their expenses is what keeps them spending money on their machines, and that's what keeps the event entertaining for the spectators. And if it's not entertaining, the spectators will stop coming. So, it's really even in the interest of the CHARITY that the competitors get paid - and perhaps even the guy who conducts the event ;)



TEX

BigDude, you whoring again:flipoff2: What they don't appreciate is you get what you pay for, including in spotters. All my free spotters did it as a favor/hobby. Some of us are moving beyond hobby when the expenses to compete are so high. I'll gladly share the purse with ya BigDude, now get your ass off the street corner, biatch!

It's all give and take. Our club has an annual Rocktoberfest in Cass, AR. (Starts Thursday) There are trail rides, a mini comp that's becoming diluted into more of an exhibition and a huge raffle, catered bbq, firewoks etc.

This event carries our non profit club's finances for the year. For the last six yrs we've donated 6K each yr to different charities.

You can only go so far with volunteers no matter how honorable or dedicated because they all have lives and commitments. In the end it all has to make sense and be semi viable to your own bank of time and $.

For those of you who don't know- Big dude has been spotting a while and has earned the reputation of having talent. I've got friends who will volunteer to spot and have all the enthusiasm in the world- talent wins over enthusiasm though and should be rewarded to some extent, at least to have a piece of winnings- pay for performance, and that is putting your money where your mouth is, which indeed is honorable.

That said, I've got a good friend in Farmington who's an Awesome spotter- Jake Attaway. He gets cranky with me when i pay his hotel bill behind his back- maybe a little too much pride.

Originally posted by G02Guy
That said, I've got a good friend in Farmington who's an Awesome spotter- Jake Attaway. He gets cranky with me when i pay his hotel bill behind his back- maybe a little too much pride.

That is a good friend :) Thank you for the compliments.

I need to go back to the street corner now :flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude
So according to you I'm only honorable if I travel hundreds of miles on my own dollar, huck rocks, pull straps, beat myself to death for two days (serious spotters don't fuck around), and then donate the few bucks I might happen to take home

Blue light special, bunchless panties in aisle 4. :flipoff2:

I think you missed this part in his post: "If your worthy, the money might follow... "

Your worthy, no matter how :rainbow: you dress you can still be a great spotter and rock mover. :flipoff2:

Some people don't understand that not everyone has a $500,000 a year job and can take off and do shit for free like SOME people. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by MattS


Blue light special, I'll eat your panties in aisle 4.




You are :rainbow:

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Bigdude,

I guess the smileys didn't indicate my trying to be humorous and lighthearted about it huh...

I know that most the guys building the rigs don't have a money tree, and their winnings is how they support their rigs... That's why we're going to try to keep the overhead low - so we can have bigger payouts !

Lighten up bigdude - heheh - I didn't mean to raise anyones blood pressure ... :D

LOL

Originally posted by JT
Lighten up bigdude - heheh - I didn't mean to raise anyones blood pressure ... :D


It's all these supplements and pills SpaceGhost has me popping for the SuperCrawl :D He said I was looking pretty weak at the ERoCC finals :(

Originally posted by bigdude
It's all these supplements and pills SpaceGhost has me popping for the SuperCrawl :D He said I was looking pretty weak at the ERoCC finals :(

I've heard that 20 grams of creatine a day will make ya' ornery. :flipoff2:

cmk

For those that wanted more info.. come one down and find out for yourself..
Just a lil reminder, its getting close to the meeting time.. Dont forget, December 7-8th at the Sayers Brook Bison Ranch.. MOROC is here!!!!


Looks like we will have a good turnout..

Here's some directions..

Basicaly find your way to Sullivan,MO or Potosi, Mo and ive got directions for you from there..

From SULLIVAN,MO :

Will be on Interstate I44, get off at the Sullivan exit (Walmart Super Center), Turn onto Highway 185 (towards Potosi-- coming from south will turn Right onto 185, coming from north will turn left onto 185), go approximately 35 miles, Turn RIGHT onto AA highway, go 7 miles, will go down a huge hill then on the crest of the next smaller hill you will see a sign that reads, "Sayers Brook Bison Ranch" (sign is on left) BUT you will need to turn RIGHT, go past several houses, acrossed a creek, will drive by several fields, and end up looking straight at a ranch house, will come to a tee in the road, take the road that goes betweem the shed and the house, drive passed the parking lot on the right and proceed up the hill, just before you get to a "grate" in the road, you will turn LEFT, it will take you to a large parking lot and a pavillion by the lake.. Its paved road all the way to the pavillion..

From POTOSI, MO :
You will turn RIGHT onto highway 8 at the Citgo station ( which is best place to gas up before the ranch), and right next to the citgo is a Super 8, the best place to stay there, will post phone number later.. Go through town on highway 8, Just after you get out of town you will cross a bridge, shortly after the bridge, you will turn right onto Highway 185, drive about 1 mile and turn LEFT onto Highway AA, drive for 7 miles, will go down a huge hill then on the crest of the next smaller hill you will see a sign that reads, "Sayers Brook Bison Ranch" (sign is on left) BUT you will need to turn RIGHT, go past several houses, acrossed a creek, will drive by several fields, and end up looking straight at a ranch house, will come to a tee in the road, take the road that goes betweem the shed and the house, drive passed the parking lot on the right and proceed up the hill, just before you get to a "grate" in the road, you will turn LEFT, it will take you to a large parking lot and a pavillion by the lake.. Its paved road all the way to the pavillion..

YMCA of the Ozarks - Trout Lodge (5 miles from Sayersbrook Bison Ranch)
Ph: (573) 438 2154
Web: YMCA of The Ozarks

Super 8 (10 miles from Sayersbrook Bison Ranch) **Cost wise this is best place to stay and w/in walking distance of several restaurants**
820 East High Street
Potosi, MO, 63664 US
Ph: (573) 438 8888


Hope to see all you there, an agenda will be posted shortly...
Will be some info being covered as well as riding a few trails and makring new trails..

Here is the agenda for the Meeting... All times are subject to change..

MOROC Agenda (December 7-8 2002)

Saturday December 7th (8:00 a.m. – 4:30 p.m.)

I. Signup session (9am – 10am)
A. Sign waiver
B. Fill out questionnaire
C. Fill out Voter Form
D. Pay Dues and fill out membership form if you want to be a charter member.
E. Purchase MoROC Shirts and stuff…
F. Buy Raffle Tickets and Dinner Tickets

II. What is MOROC (10am – 11am)
A. Explain every aspect of MoROC
1. Missouri Rock crawling and Off road Competition
2. Competition people and Event Officials
3. Media
4. Prizes and giveaways
5. Cash Awards and Trophies

III. Expectations (11am – 11:15am)
A. NO alcohol
B. NO drugs
C. NO horseplay
D. Good Sportsmanship

IV. Locations of competitions (11:15am – 11:30am)
A. Sayers Brook Bison Ranch
B. Disney, OK
C. Hot Springs, AR
D. ???

V. Rules of comps (11:30am – 11:45 am)
A. Will follow ERROC

VI. Questions and comments (11:45am – 12:00pm)

LUNCH (12:00 – 1:00)

VII. How can I help? (1:00pm – 1:30 pm)
A. Officer/BOD
B. Competing
C. Trail building
D. Officiating
E. Reporting

VIII. Planning Trail building weekends (1:30pm – 2:00pm)
IX. Scheduling of meetings (2pm – 2:30pm)
X. Quick Tour of Bison Ranch (2:30pm – 4:15pm)
XI. Questions and comments (4:15pm – 4:30pm)

Sunday, December 8th (8:00 a.m. – 4:30 p.m.)

XII. Welcome (8am – 9am)
A. Check for newcomers
XIII. Overview of Saturday (9am – 10:45am)
A. Take new comers aside and go over all info from Saturday.
B. Those that were here on Saturday will run trails
XIV. Questions and or comments (10:45am – 11am)

LUNCH (11:00am – 12:00pm)

XV. Trail Run (12pm – 2 pm)
A. Divide in 2-3 groups and run some of the harder trails
XVI. Trail Scouting/Marking (2pm – 4pm)
A. One group scout trails
B. One group mark trails that have been scouted
XVII. Meet back at Pavilion (4:00 pm)
XVIII. Questions and comments (4pm – 4:30pm)
A. Remind of next meeting/trail building date

BTT... dont forget...

Were gonna have a huge turnout.. so showup, be one the first in on MoRoc...