so say i decided to make a sper of the moment trip down with the f-toy to the reno event and it has some parts that are not comp legal, such as disco,cutting brakes, 6bolt arms, can i just not use the cutting brakes,disco and take 2studs out of each of the knuckles and it would be okay if everything else is to spec???we were going to drive down thurs night from canada but are thinking something more now?

i think u will be ok, just make them where u cant use them, zman that runs werok ftoy, has driveline disconnect and i think he just put a zip tie on it where it wont move, and take the extra studs out of the arms, dont know what they said to him at tech, but i know he ran the event.

Yup you should be fine. Several rigs are running 6 shooter knuckles with 2 studs out. Just don't use the disco or the cutting brakes in comp.. 507 had a disco last year and mtbrjohns rig had 6 shooters with 2 studs out.

If your only running one event. Dont sweat it. You will not be in contention for the series anyway.
At least that is how I see it. I would rather have more competitors.
Now if you start running a lot of comps you need to consider removing 2 studs and definetly dont use the illegal items.

Exactly what everyone has said, I would assume the West coast guys will say the same... I run 6 shooters w/o the extra outer 2 studs (stock fashion) and my rear driveline disco is tied up with an industrial zip tie. Lil Rich is checkin safety requirements as #1 priority. So just make sure you have your Safety items are in order. Harnesses, window net, trans tunnel, fire extiguishers, ect...

Great to have more competitors in the class!!!

Exactly what everyone has said, I would assume the West coast guys will say the same... I run 6 shooters w/o the extra outer 2 studs (stock fashion) and my rear driveline disco is tied up with an industrial zip tie. Lil Rich is checkin safety requirements as #1 priority. So just make sure you have your Safety items are in order. Harnesses, window net, trans tunnel, fire extiguishers, ect...

Great to have more competitors in the class!!!
Well, since we are on the subject, can someone please tell me why running the 6 shooter studs, on even the weld-on 5th stud is illegal.? Exactically how does this give one pearson an advantage over another, isnt this really just a maintenance issue. If the 4 studs arent going to hold up ( kind of like stock shafts) the we should be allowed to run them in my op, but I can undertand the disconect.

Please search, this gets old. The rules are the rules, designed as a driver's class, 4 studs are stock, etc, etc. Go search, figure out how many time's the question has been asked and answered. Then come up with a real reason to allow them :D :D

Todd...did you read his post? He was asking if it was cool to just negate the things that are illegal...not asking for things to change.

Well, since we are on the subject, can someone please tell me why running the 6 shooter studs, on even the weld-on 5th stud is illegal.? Exactically how does this give one pearson an advantage over another, isnt this really just a maintenance issue. If the 4 studs arent going to hold up ( kind of like stock shafts) the we should be allowed to run them in my op, but I can undertand the disconect.

Please search, this gets old. The rules are the rules, designed as a driver's class, 4 studs are stock, etc, etc. Go search, figure out how many time's the question has been asked and answered. Then come up with a real reason to allow them :D :D

Todd...did you read his post? He was asking if it was cool to just negate the things that are illegal...not asking for things to change.


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:laughing: i've been told! :laughing:

I read the OP and found it was a legitiate question...I was thinking Todd was replying to him! :laughing:

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:laughing: i've been told! :laughing:

I read the OP and found it was a legitiate question...I was thinking Todd was replying to him! :laughing:

:homer:Nope!! :D :D

Nope!! :D :D

Then will you please quote who you're telling off so us slow guys can follow along!!! :laughing:

sorry guys we ended up driving down and doing it anyways.pulled the shifters of for cutting brakes, and hardware for the extra 4studs,was only coming down for this 1 comp and dint want to change up the f-toy to much before hand. all was good, cool to meet allot of you guys would like to maybe do the series next year if i can get away that much. 14 plus hour drive each way takes a little while:)

Then will you please quote who you're telling off so us slow guys can follow along!!! :laughing:Okay :D :D

Please search, this gets old. The rules are the rules, designed as a driver's class, 4 studs are stock, etc, etc. Go search, figure out how many time's the question has been asked and answered. Then come up with a real reason to allow them :D :D
Man, I didnt mean to piss in your cornflakes. I just thought that If you guys were allready discussing what was allowed then mabey you could explain the difference between the studs and using the rock assault axles. You are right it is a drivers class, one that I just hocked my crap to payfor, and gave up a year of my life to try and compete in, and when I finally get to the event there are only three other buggies in my class on the east side. Hell if you look at the numbers I have a good stake in the f-toy class. You know Big and little Rich have been extreamly cool explaining things to new guys like me, But I thought that mabey this was small and unimportant enough that knowledgable guys like you wouldnt mind explaining to me I guess I should put my blinders back on and never question anything. (damn kind of sounds like communism doesnt it)

Please search, this gets old. The rules are the rules, designed as a driver's class, 4 studs are stock, etc, etc. Go search, figure out how many time's the question has been asked and answered. Then come up with a real reason to allow them :D :D

damn kind of sounds like communism doesnt it

Communism (from Latin: communis = "common") is a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general.[1][2][3] In political science, the term "communism" is sometimes used to refer to communist states, a form of government in which the state operates under a one-party system and declares allegiance to Marxism-Leninism or a derivative thereof, even if the party does not actually claim that it has already reached communism.

1.^ Morris, William. News from nowhere. http://www.marxists.org/archive/morris/works/1890/nowhere/index.htm. Retrieved on January 2008.
2.^ "Communism". The Columbia Encyclopedia (6th ed.). 2007. http://www.bartleby.com/65/co/communism.html.
3.^ Colton, Timothy J. (2007). "Communism". Microsoft Encarta Online Encyclopedia. http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761572241/Communism.html.

I don't see the similarities, although your answer seemed to skew far left. To me it sounded like: “You have all the knowledge and I don’t want to put out the effort and search for it, so you should just give it to me.”

The discussion wasn't about what is allowed, it was about locking out things that are not allowed. The reason they are not allowed is that the BOD said they are not allowed. The discussion for what is allowed happened a long time ago; prior to the BOD's decision to not allow them. If you want these things allowed, you now need to talk to W.E.ROCK as they are the governing body and the only ones who can allow it.
Or in other words: Please search, this gets old. The rules are the rules, designed as a driver's class, 4 studs are stock, etc, etc. Go search, figure out how many time's the question has been asked and answered. Then come up with a real reason to allow them :D :D

Communism (from Latin: communis = "common") is a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general.[1][2][3] In political science, the term "communism" is sometimes used to refer to communist states, a form of government in which the state operates under a one-party system and declares allegiance to Marxism-Leninism or a derivative thereof, even if the party does not actually claim that it has already reached communism.

1.^ Morris, William. News from nowhere. http://www.marxists.org/archive/morris/works/1890/nowhere/index.htm. Retrieved on January 2008.
2.^ "Communism". The Columbia Encyclopedia (6th ed.). 2007. http://www.bartleby.com/65/co/communism.html.
3.^ Colton, Timothy J. (2007). "Communism". Microsoft Encarta Online Encyclopedia. http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761572241/Communism.html.

I don't see the similarities, although your answer seemed to skew far left. To me it sounded like: “You have all the knowledge and I don’t want to put out the effort and search for it, so you should just give it to me.”

The discussion wasn't about what is allowed, it was about locking out things that are not allowed. The reason they are not allowed is that the BOD said they are not allowed. The discussion for what is allowed happened a long time ago; prior to the BOD's decision to not allow them. If you want these things allowed, you now need to talk to W.E.ROCK as they are the governing body and the only ones who can allow it.
Or in other words: Please search, this gets old. The rules are the rules, designed as a driver's class, 4 studs are stock, etc, etc. Go search, figure out how many time's the question has been asked and answered. Then come up with a real reason to allow them :D :D

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SORRY TO USE INCORECT TERMINOLOGY. However it sounds to me the even you connot come up with a better reason than to say "Becuase I said so !" So if you could not answere my question to begin with , why are you waisting everyones time now.Sofar no one can tell me the difference between using a axle desighned to give more clearance and made twice as strong clearly giving an obvious advantage but we are not allowed to use a knuckle that merely saves time and energy(no competative advantage). I had hoped that someone of youre experince in this sport would have taken as much time to solve this delima instead of cutting and pasting from a dictionary

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SORRY TO USE INCORECT TERMINOLOGY. However it sounds to me the even you connot come up with a better reason than to say "Becuase I said so !" So if you could not answere my question to begin with , why are you waisting everyones time now.Sofar no one can tell me the difference between using a axle desighned to give more clearance and made twice as strong clearly giving an obvious advantage but we are not allowed to use a knuckle that merely saves time and energy(no competative advantage). I had hoped that someone of youre experince in this sport would have taken as much time to solve this delima instead of cutting and pasting from a dictionary

I'm not saying "Becuase I said so !". I'm saying, because the BOD said so. The answer to your question was to search, as it had been answered many times before. It is now becoming obvious that you are to lazy to search, so I guess we will cover the subject again. These are the rules:

• Steering must attach to stock steering arm location using the stock method
• Aftermarket/custom housings are allowed, in any width

After these rules were made, Trail-Gear started selling the six shooter setup and the high clearance axle housings.

Since the housings are”Aftermarket/custom housings, in any width", they are allowed.

Since the six shooters could have went either way due to interpretation it went to the BOD, who were picked by all the other drivers at the time to make rulings for the class. The BOD said that the six shooters do not "attach to stock steering arm location using the stock method" and they are only allowed if you pull out the extra four studs that are not in a stock location.

A few of the west coast competitors, including myself, run six shooters. If you also run the magnum studs from TG, they take about two minutes to pull out. Would I prefer to not pull them? Sure. Do I think it is a competitive advantage? Not much if any. Do I think it is worth bringing it up over and over again? No. At this point, Big is the only one who can change it so you can hit him up at the next comp and see what he says.

Big is the only one who can change it so you can hit him up at the next comp and see what he says.

Little correction. Please dont hassle Big on this subject.

The rules are still made by the BOD, and were presented to WERock. WERock has no intention of changing ANYTHING in the rules, nor do any of them involved (Lil', Big, Rachel, Dustin, Josh, etc) want anything to do with changing the rules as they sit currently. These folks have plenty on their plate now, and arguing details of why rules are they way they are, they just dont care for.

Little correction. Please dont hassle Big on this subject.

The rules are still made by the BOD, and were presented to WERock. WERock has no intention of changing ANYTHING in the rules, nor do any of them involved (Lil', Big, Rachel, Dustin, Josh, etc) want anything to do with changing the rules as they sit currently. These folks have plenty on their plate now, and arguing details of why rules are they way they are, they just dont care for.

I agree and I wouldn't hassle Big over it, but he is the only one who could overturn the BOD. I don't think there is any way in hell that he ever would, but then again I'm not the one questioning the BOD.

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SORRY TO USE INCORECT TERMINOLOGY. However it sounds to me the even you connot come up with a better reason than to say "Becuase I said so !" So if you could not answere my question to begin with , why are you waisting everyones time now.Sofar no one can tell me the difference between using a axle desighned to give more clearance and made twice as strong clearly giving an obvious advantage but we are not allowed to use a knuckle that merely saves time and energy(no competative advantage). I had hoped that someone of youre experince in this sport would have taken as much time to solve this delima instead of cutting and pasting from a dictionary

Skonkerd, if you would PM me your number, I would be glad to go over the rules with you. Yes, I am a member of the BOD.

thanks guys, i still dont understand the reasoning , nor do I understand the chain of command. But I do apreciate the time you put into the last response. As for calling me lazy, I drove around 12 hrs to get to hannible, and another 12 to get to raush creek. My spotter and I have never competed before heck he has never wheeled before but we are still trying,knowing we dont have a chance in hell of winning. foolish mabey, but lazy I think not.

thanks guys, i still dont understand the reasoning , nor do I understand the chain of command. But I do apreciate the time you put into the last response. As for calling me lazy, I drove around 12 hrs to get to hannible, and another 12 to get to raush creek. My spotter and I have never competed before heck he has never wheeled before but we are still trying,knowing we dont have a chance in hell of winning. foolish mabey, but lazy I think not.

I have no doubt that you put as much time and effort into this sport as anyone else. My lazy comment was isolated to the fact that any of this info could have been found in less than the time it took me to type it if you used the search function on this forum. I wouldn't count yourself out of the winnings just yet either. In a small class the leader can turn around with one wrong line. Just so there are no hard feelings; if you ever feel like driving the 33 hours to the hammers, I'll buy the beer.

man i would love to come out there and do some wheeling they say its unreal. This weekend was the first time I have ever even tried man made courses. There is a lot were missing out on in the south. I guess we cant all be like Shannon and run both sides. Thanks for the invite, and if you ever care to come down to GA, or Alabama there are a lot of good guys to show you around and hang with.