I've seen part 1 in Feb and then part 2. Then again part 1 and again part 2 in April. Can't Powerblock present the shows in sequence one after the other, you know, like they just did on single seat buggy. I'm not sure if that's too radical an idea for them but it certainly would be better for the viewer. BTW I'm not happy with the whole system of Powerblock jumping all over the place on builds. I know it can't happen in a week but hold the shows until the sequence is done. They can do them off season and broadcast them in sequence. Or maybe doing the Scout takes too much ..... Never mind I'll quit before I really go off.

I totally agree. I can't imagine what the point of staggering the episodes might be. On the other hand this single-seat Honda engine buggy is badass!

I've seen part 1 in Feb and then part 2. Then again part 1 and again part 2 in April. Can't Powerblock present the shows in sequence one after the other, you know, like they just did on single seat buggy. I'm not sure if that's too radical an idea for them but it certainly would be better for the viewer. BTW I'm not happy with the whole system of Powerblock jumping all over the place on builds. I know it can't happen in a week but hold the shows until the sequence is done. They can do them off season and broadcast them in sequence. Or maybe doing the Scout takes too much ..... Never mind I'll quit before I really go off.

Thanks for sharing. Now go lurk some more.:flipoff2: http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89171

Where the hell are all of these new guys coming from??? They seem to just crawl out of the damn woodwork at the start of every week...

He posted the same at the BP :shaking:

i agree also with the whole powerblock thing,it's wack!.then again it's some higher up that doesn't know dick,makin the calls.you would think that they would do what scoutmstr said and keep them in line till the builds done.even my TIVO is confused about episodes.maybe it's just Ian's not around enough to finish a build,you know between the coffee breaks and the hair touch up's.

OK look. Not everybody loves every build. But once you get someone tuned in, they will likely just finish the show. People who don't like scouts will still sit and watch the scout build. Now if everything was consecutive, they would only have 12 viewers watching the scout build until it was done, then the jeep crowd would watch til whatever project was done....then the buggy guys etc etc.

It's pretty simple marketing. Not everyone is interested in the same builds, so you stagger a few different builds that appeal to different people and keep everyone interested. Also, people are at different skill levels, so you stagger the skill level too. People who are experienced don't get board, and new people don't get overwhelmed and your show doesn't lose a portion of it's audience and stays on TV.

i am not a scout owner (jeep guy) , but i have been following the build anyway. i just recently gotten a set of scout 44's that i plan to put under my cj and have found that watching the scout build on extreme (especially the episode about the axles) helpful. it is what you get out of it.

i am not a scout owner (jeep guy) , but i have been following the build anyway. i just recently gotten a set of scout 44's that i plan to put under my cj and have found that watching the scout build on extreme (especially the episode about the axles) helpful. it is what you get out of it.

Exactly. I'm glad you posted this. I watch every episode, I think all the episodes have something cool to watch.

Exactly. I'm glad you posted this. I watch every episode, I think all the episodes have something cool to watch.

Fuckeng werd.

Yep, have to stagger to keep up the broad appeal.

Just like I DVR every episode and then watch them in whatever order I want. :flipoff2:

Another week and still no Scout. Think he figured out a V-8 is difficult to get into engine bay of an 800 4 cyl?

Another week and still no Scout. Think he figured out a V-8 is difficult to get into engine bay of an 800 4 cyl?

yep! betcha they don't show movin the cross member outta the way.did they ever say it was a 4 or 8 cyl to begin with? luckily mine had the 304 and goin to the LT was no problem.

It started with the V8 from what they showed in the first episode, but they didn't really give that good of a shot of it either.

It started with the V8 from what they showed in the first episode, but they didn't really give that good of a shot of it either.

No it didn't. I have it saved in my DVR and watched it again last night. The 800a that they bought had a 4cyl in it to start with. They got a scout II from a dealer down the road for free that had a 345 v8 in it and a 44 rear axle. Then they used a chevy 44 front and cut it down to Scout size.

I'll take your word for it since I havent had a chance to watch any of the episodes since they aired back in febuary...I'm guessin that they didn't show moving the crossmember when they dropped the 345 in.

I was just watching these episodes on their web page, and they did make mention of the 800a having a 4 cylinder in it originally. they said something about how normally they toss the old engines, but that one they where going to sell to someone who was rebuilding a 800a. I cant wait to see the final episode.

also, I should take this chance to introduce myself, I am looking to pick up a Scout II with a 196 4 cylinder. I am looking forward to lurking here, and following these threads, as I spend my time fixing up the old work horse.

i am not a scout owner (jeep guy) , but i have been following the build anyway. i just recently gotten a set of scout 44's that i plan to put under my cj and have found that watching the scout build on extreme (especially the episode about the axles) helpful. it is what you get out of it.

I'm guessing what you found helpful was that he said to ditch your Scout axle and use a Chevy.

Stagering the episodes is not "some execs call" it is mine.....and I do it for multiple reasons.

1) Popularity...like it or not the Scout is a very popular build, I think the download numbers are something like 15K per episode:eek: and that is alot trust me. Because of it's popularity it will be spread out over the entire season and then finished next year..

2) Parts....the Xtreme shop runs 6 days a week, 50 weeks a year making TV. I am sure that you guys know that you can't order "every" part right at the beginning of a build. Sometimes you need certain things finished before you can order stuff like....driveshafts. This downtime can only be dealt with by pushing the project to a further show. Also it is not fair to guys who pony up parts to ask them to rush rush everything only for them to wait 6 months for an episode to air.

3) Work....just like you guys I build these trucks myself. No team of top secret mechanics and welders to jump out from behind the camera to do teh work....and sometimes I just need "time" to get stuff done.

And as for my hair touch ups.....Supercuts!!!! and yes I do take the occasional coffee break...but trust me. I think I earn them

Oh and by the say.....the scout is back on this weekend to get the roll cage....

3) Work....just like you guys I build these trucks myself. No team of top secret mechanics and welders to jump out from behind the camera to do teh work....and sometimes I just need "time" to get stuff done.

Bullshit! The guys on the KOH preview stated that you only put in one bolt then have your team do the rest:flipoff2:

Stagering the episodes is not "some execs call" it is mine.....and I do it for multiple reasons.

Oh and by the say.....the scout is back on this weekend to get the roll cage....


Looking forward to it Ian...:)

I just watched the last 3 weeks episodes last night (DVR). The KOH episode was :smokin: Now I'm gonna have to buy both KOH DVD's

Cool...thanks Ian, really enjoy the show although much of what you do is waaaay over my skill level. Of course I could always bring my Scout to you to do on your show, we are fairly close geographically...lol...!!

1) Popularity...like it or not the Scout is a very popular build, I think the download numbers are something like 15K per episode:eek: and that is alot trust me. Because of it's popularity it will be spread out over the entire season and then finished next year..



That is truly surprising. :) I didn't think there was even 15,000 Scout owners in the whole world! :D

Other than the snotty jeep pilot every now and then, I find that most people I meet at 4x4 events and on the trails enjoy seeing a Scout out there.

Stagering the episodes is not "some execs call" it is mine.....and I do it for multiple reasons.

1) Popularity...like it or not the Scout is a very popular build, I think the download numbers are something like 15K per episode:eek: and that is alot trust me. Because of it's popularity it will be spread out over the entire season and then finished next year..

2) Parts....the Xtreme shop runs 6 days a week, 50 weeks a year making TV. I am sure that you guys know that you can't order "every" part right at the beginning of a build. Sometimes you need certain things finished before you can order stuff like....driveshafts. This downtime can only be dealt with by pushing the project to a further show. Also it is not fair to guys who pony up parts to ask them to rush rush everything only for them to wait 6 months for an episode to air.

3) Work....just like you guys I build these trucks myself. No team of top secret mechanics and welders to jump out from behind the camera to do teh work....and sometimes I just need "time" to get stuff done.

And as for my hair touch ups.....Supercuts!!!! and yes I do take the occasional coffee break...but trust me. I think I earn them

Oh and by the say.....the scout is back on this weekend to get the roll cage....

OK We understand you pick the staggering of the episodes. Does that also mean you pick showing them out of sequence because unless my recorder is wrong, there is a V-8 sitting in the truck when you pull off the body in today's show. Look close folks its just for a second. Really started to feel jerked around. Enuff said. Oh BTW I've been working on Scouts 30 yrs this month.

That is truly surprising. :) I didn't think there was even 15,000 Scout owners in the whole world! :D

Trust me - there are plenty of us non-Scout owner/drivers who are liking this build and watching it go along...

no they are on order, you must have missed one - he rebuilt it and then installed it - and then reinstalled again :flipoff2: it to get it all to fit.


im not a scout guy, but im diggin the build.
















that and i know where 3 800's are right now :D

Anyone else watch the episode today and think they went a little bit overboard on the triangulation for the cage?

Anyone else watch the episode today and think they went a little bit overboard on the triangulation for the cage?

this post is on pirate?

:laughing::laughing:

this post is on pirate?

Actually I think it has an a very reaonable amount of tri-angulation....

http://ianfromxtreme.smugmug.com/photos/552126592_CXkN6-M.jpg

Anyone else watch the episode today and think they went a little bit overboard on the triangulation for the cage?

Well that's a new one. Not knowing the intended use I couldn't say if it was overboard or not.

Ian, is this a mall crawler? :flipoff2:

Theres enuff metal in that cage to have made a 0.120 halftop.

I'm digging those seats...:smokin:

I'm digging those seats...:smokin:

Me too....wait till you see the canvas "bikini" (although it is more like a one piece) top for the Scout....KILLAR!!!

hope you pad that bar behind your head, ouch..

Me likey......:smokin:

Anyone else watch the episode today and think they went a little bit overboard on the triangulation for the cage?

Been at work all weekend, I'll have to check the DVR.

I had no idea that the 345 was such a piece of shit, I could be wrong but didn't he set the rev limiter a 3600 or something like that.

You obviously don't have any idea what you are talking about. Please define why it is a piece of shit? My guess is your a know nothing moron.

I just spent over $2000 rebuilding my 345. I think it could rev higher than that but he set a low rev-limit rather than addressing the weaknesses of an old IH oiling system. Fortunately it seems that the torque is all below that number anyway.

I had no idea that the 345 was such a piece of shit, I could be wrong but didn't he set the rev limiter a 3600 or something like that.

Yeah because I like winding my shit to 10grand too...YEEEAAAHHHH:mr-t::mr-t: Fucking douche'r.

I just spent over $2000 rebuilding my 345. I think it could rev higher than that but he set a low rev-limit rather than addressing the weaknesses of an old IH oiling system. Fortunately it seems that the torque is all below that number anyway.

The motor makes it's torque at around 0rpm and is pretty bullet proof. My old 304 would not die. Seriously.

Yeah because I like winding my shit to 10grand too...YEEEAAAHHHH:mr-t::mr-t: Fucking douche'r.



The motor makes it's torque at around 0rpm and is pretty bullet proof. My old 304 would not die. Seriously.

That 345 is so "stout" it rivals a turbo 400 for being tractorish crude....but with the crudeness comes some serious beef and strength!!! Once you lay your hands on one you will see why they are so "tough"

I like it for its size and strength..and I don't think capping it off at 4G will be a problem.

I had no idea that the 345 was such a piece of shit, I could be wrong but didn't he set the rev limiter a 3600 or something like that.

Yeah because I like winding my shit to 10grand too...YEEEAAAHHHH:mr-t::mr-t: Fucking douche'r.


All the ricers like to wind their stuff up to 10,000rpm and put coffee cans on for mufflers..

Me? I'm a bit upset that after floating my 304's valves at 6300rpm for hours on end for years, I finally had to tear it down and the machine shop offered up some "better" valve springs that have HOBBLED ME at only 5,000rpm. :mad3:

Even my trail rig's 345 happily sings at 6,000rpm.

I'd be more upset if I wasn't building a completely new race motor.

I didn't watch close enough to see what Ian was doing with rev limiter.. but IH rated their "redline" as "max continous" and the 392 was 3600, the 345 3800, and the 304 3900rpm.

Max HP was around 4400rpm and well within the limits of the engine, though IH didn't recommend you hold it there - but you could hold it at 3600/38/3900rpm all day long in a dump truck loaded to 24k pounds without any harm.

My 392 cruises comfortably at 3500rpm pulling my trailer at 75mph.

OTOH.. I remember someone driving Hofstetter's Terra one day, and discovered it had a weird problem at higher RPM.

Turned out the MSD and the ProJection got mad at each other over 3,000rpm.

Hofstetter had been running it that way for years and apparently had never exceeded 3000rpm.

Who says you need to wind it up like a high-strung peaky rice motor!

The ricers wind their stuff up so high because that's what they have to do to make horsepower. This does nothing for torque because YOU DON"T NEED TORQUE. Torque numbers of a engine are all but useless, you should ignore them.

Who says it'll bend a pushrod? That's the excuse given for the bent pushrod (high rev) but it's just as likely a sticky valve after sitting with tarry oil on it for decades - or, since Ian indicated it had fresh machine work, maybe it was done poorly or was too tight and the valve stuck.

Maybe the PO put Chevy umbrella seals on to stop the puff at startup, instead of the factory specified O-rings and resulted in a hot and unlubricated valve stem that galled?

I've bent plenty of pushrods and broken rocker arms on my SVs - all on one engine I built, and I used the Perfect Circle valve stem seals AND built it a bit tight AND used the old style welded rockers - and apparently, had a few of the 'bad heat treat' batch because I haven't broken the same rocker twice (same spot on the engine) - I've only replaced 'em once.

Anyhow.. as Ian said, it has a lot of nice things with the high nickel block, deep skirted block, forged crank and rod, shaft mounted rockers, blah blah.

It's just a little heavy in the reciprocating mass department, and wasn't designed to run high rpm - but can be "fixed"

"Fucking douche'r" probabaly not. All I am saying is thats a big motor and capping it off at 3600 was kind of disapointing. Yeah I realize you dont need crazy horsepower offroading but why invest in a motor thats going to bend a push rod if you rev it past 4000.




345 ci (5654 cc), 163 hp @ 3600 rpm, 292 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm

You've got to remember the engine was never designed to be a light duty truck engine, it was designed to haul around medium duty truck all day loaded with whatever. It was designed for low end grunt and survivability. It's a heavy duty engine, designed for heavy duty application.

Although I got my recorder set for every week somehow it or I screwed up since that's the one I wanted to see the most. And even if I don't agree with the staggering out of the shows over a year or so to boost ratings, I've never seen an technical or engineering OOPS from Ian. Which is better than a couple of the other Powerblock shows; last weekend on a rotor replacement the caliper was left hanging by the flexible brake hose while the rotor was replaced; the second was on the Quadrajet rebuild. Never bend the arm of a float to adjust it only the tangs. I do wish Powerblock would review what they have some of the so-called experts are showing people who may not know the difference and do something to cause themselves injury.


















that and i know where 3 800's are right now :D[/QUOTE]

I had no idea that the 345 was such a piece of shit, I could be wrong but didn't he set the rev limiter a 3600 or something like that.

Here's an educated guy. Where is it written that you need high rpm's to make hp?

I've never have a reason to take my 304 over 3500rpm. Like in diesels, the powerband is narrow. We use the gearbox. Although sometimes I wish I had more gear options than I do...

yeah, some sort of 6 speed with a granny first gear would prob be nice eh?

That's a new one to me, I take it you have never seen a drag car. Your talking about torque not horsepower. I might use a 345, maybe for something like a water pump or generator. If your just a trail cruiser, it'd probably work just fine too. But a extreme 4x4 machine which most of you claim to have, its a not so good choice, Yes I am a scout owner but also realize that we live in the 21st century, where we don't need to put a six speed transmission in to go 65. Saying that I am sure your are going to argue that the T-18 is the best transmission on the plant earth because it came in your international

First: When you're wheeling, you don't need horsepower...you aint going fast, you need torque.
Second: To get horsepower, you need displacement...compression, stroke...NOT high RPM's, it helps but isn't necessary.
Third: You claim to own a Scout, yet I highly doubt it.
Fourth: T-18's ain't the best, T-19's are.
Fifth: Depending on the gearing, sometimes you need more than 6 gears to hit 65...

You called it a piec of shit and basically said you need high revs to make power, which is fucking bullshit and has been pointed out to you. However, I'll try to pound in another clue even though your skull is too thick to get the slightest idea in.

Semi truck engines, depending on the engine, 12 to 15 liters, 300 to 500 or more hp at under 2000 rpm.

Container ship engines, such as this one, http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/ makes 108,920 hp at 102 rpm.

Now, what does your Toy motor make? Somewhere around 100 hp at almost 5000 rpm?

I've seen a "toy motor" make more power than the 345 could even think of.

Zero tolerance for stupid trolls. see ya in a week.:flipoff2:

TORQUE X RPM = POWER it's very simple math.

Yeah it's simple math but you got it wrong.:shaking:


Torque x RPM) / 5,252 = Horsepower

That's a new one to me, I take it you have never seen a drag car. Your talking about torque not horsepower. I might use a 345, maybe for something like a water pump or generator. If your just a trail cruiser, it'd probably work just fine too. But a extreme 4x4 machine which most of you claim to have, its a not so good choice, Yes I am a scout owner but also realize that we live in the 21st century, where we don't need to put a six speed transmission in to go 65. Saying that I am sure your are going to argue that the T-18 is the best transmission on the plant earth because it came in your international

Actually, my IH is a dented, rusty rattle can and I know it. It's not the best thing ever, but I like it. I like a lot of other trucks too. The issue here is that your dead wrong saying the motor is crap because of it's rpm capabilities. Do some reading about the durability of IH powerplants and you'll understand why a truck like mine which is driven everyday for the past 38 years still hasn't had a rebuild. Offroad, on the farm, and in stop and go traffic. The engine keeps ticking.

I've got nothing against you, Toyota, or any other brand. But if you're going to make an offhand comment which has no relationship to fact you can expect to get slammed.

Besides, this thread has nothing to do with this squabbling nonsense!

Just for the record book I never said anything about the horsepower and torque numbers of the 345. I simply stated that it was disappointing hearing that 3600 was max rpm. Yes I know torque is what makes your wheels turn on your truck. That's why I corrected Mr. Holsum996.
TORQUE X RPM = POWER it's very simple math.

Just to restate it, 3600rpm is the "max continuous rpm" rating. Not max rpm, max RPM you can run it at - ALL DAY LONG - without accelerated engine wear.

It's not a "not to exceed" number like, oh, Chevrolet might publish.

I can attest that holding a 304 at 6000+rpm does result in accelerated wear, like a spun rod bearing after a few years, or damaged valves a few years later from float after I re-worked the oiling system to avoid the spun bearing problem.

I've seen a "toy motor" make more power than the 345 could even think of.

The pinicle of retardation right here. Add anything to that 4cly toy motor to make it awesomeness incarnate to any V8 and the 4banger wins how? For thier aplication Toy motors are great but this stretch of ignorance invalidated anything you previously said :shaking:

Just caught the last 3 episodes of the Scout 800 on iTunes. I'm deployed, so I've been missing SpikeTV :flipoff2:

The Scout v1.0 was waaaay too tall. Scout v2.0 looks 100% better with the lower suspension and the fender flares. They are EB flares, but they look goooood! I'm glad, because I have a set waiting in the garage when I get home.

Now that should really confuse people :confused: :laughing:

As if we don't hear, "Hey nice Bronco!" enough already.
:flipoff2:

It's not a Bronco. It's a Scout.

What's a Scout?

Good Job Ian :beer:

quido, thanks for your service.




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