hey guys,

I have this latest LWB that the BW t-case is locked up on it. I removed the front driveline this morning and now it drives pretty nice actually.

I have an LT-230 that I was planning on putting in one of these RR's eventually.

Now that I've been reminded of how well the RR drives in rear wheel drive, I'm debating weather or not I should bother doing the part-time conversion on the LT-230 before installing it.

I probably will never run free wheeling hubs on the front axle, but the reduced wear and handling characteristics are certainly up there at the top of the list of reasons to do this.

Oh, and now that I have the front driveline out, just how much does it need to be shortened? Jeff?

...And another thing, has anyone ever seen a swivel ball fill plug fall out? One of mine was missing!

Thoughts?

Originally posted by Serious One
And another thing, has anyone ever seen a swivel ball fill plug fall out? One of mine was missing!

Thoughts?

not a swivel ball fill plug, but a diff drain plug, right in the middle of the trail :D

Mike

My only fear about running without a front D-line is what happens if the viscous decided to Unlock. Ive been there, that is worse. As for how much shorter, I bought a stock Disco front D-line and threw it in. $75 from the wrecking yard was cheaper than a custon shaft.


On a side note I noticed that I am now labled a wheeler. What is with that? Damit I am newbie to the core. What does it take to get Newbie back up there? Do I have to post "where is the cheapest place to buy a carpet dash pad for my truck?" to get it back!:flipoff2:

-Jeff

well...

If it decides to unlock then that's great! I won't have to replace it with the LT-230!

I have the driveline in the back of the truck along with the bolts and tools needed to get it on.

Please pray for me that it decides to unlock.

BTW, you didnt' answer my question.

Oh, and if you'd quit posting as often you would still be a newbie.

OTOH, you could ante up for the 20 clams and put 'newbie' as your status.

Originally posted by JSBriggs
What does it take to get Newbie back up there?
-Jeff

Pay your $20 to support the board...Get rid of the pop-ups....Be able to post pic's...AND have the ability to change your status.

--D

"I have this latest LWB that the BW t-case is locked up on it. I removed the front driveline this morning and now it drives pretty nice actually. "

What exactly do you mean by 'locked-up' ? What syptoms, how did it manifest itself ?

Did it drive at all with the front drive shaft still on there or did it just rev in drive with no proportional forward motion ?

What color is the t-case fluid ?



enlighten me please:confused:

Lessee....how to describe it.

Well, it is like driving with the diff-lock permanently engaged.

for example:

In parking lots doing tight turns, the front wheels would chirp and bind.

On the freeway above 55-ish mph the front end felt like the tires were unbalanced.

With the front driveline off it drives normally. Regardless of the condition of the BW, it should still drive anyway with the front driveline off. It would sense slippage and lock up anyhow. With the front driveline on it would drive as described above.

There is no fluid to check, the BW is a sealed unit (AFAIK).

Now I'm thinking I might have it modified with a CV joint on one end for the other LWB that is lifted.

-or-

Get a Tom Woods shaft and leave this one alone as a spare.

From what you describe your Viscous Coupling is 'toast' but the BW is a-ok..

You can replace the VC insitu. The BW uses ATF and can be checked underneath, the access 1/2 inch bolts are just like the ones on the diffs.. they are located to the right of the exhaust where the y-pipe joins the exhaust ( about dead center of the vehicle underneath)

I have been dealing with this for a long time. I ran with just the rear drive shaft for al long time which finished off the VC. I dont have the $$ for a new VC so I am looking for a parts donor to pull it from for cheap...

Zipppp.( flame suit on) lots of info on dweb about it on the range rover board ....

Darth Serious:

The b/w is not sealed as TallBrad pointed out. Ashcroft and many others have viscous units available. It is essentially a torque converter, and is about a 3.5 hour repair. Drain, drop, split, R&R, seal, replace, fill.

I can fax you the procedure for some light gards.....

:D

Ugh.

I didn't know you could check the viscous fluid. That's pretty cool. I've been running my '90 for 5 1/2 years now and haven't checked it once. Guess it's time to check it.

How much is a VC? Is the pain of R&R worth the hassle and should I just drop in that LT-230?

Hmmm....

Oh, about the light guards.

they're held in place with really long allen screws, and if I remove those screws the lights won't stay in, because they're the screws that hold the assembly in place.

So......let me cannibalize some screws off of my dead RR and see what I can do.

Are you going to be in Moab this weekend or should I mail them to you? I probably won't get to it until next week honestly.

Thanks!

No really ... do a search on www.discoweb.org under viscous coupling and also read the current rover thread titled Transfer Box Woes...there are lots of golden nuggets in various threads about it now. a great read.. Ashcroft has good bits as well.
That viscous fluid/ gel can not be replaced but if you burn up the VC it can leak into the BW T Case ATF and turn it black ( I am there right now..) but man, after reading about you in the LR magazine I would have thought that you f'in knew everything rover :flipoff2: - that was you way back then right ? I was at the bookstore with a buddy and got to say - 'Hey I kind of but dont'really at all know this guy at all'

VC goes for $800 new ( Atlantic Brit.) and are hard to find sitting on a shelf used in the states ..

rover cannibal - $400 used, I'd call to see what year it was pulled from/ how many miles on it. They 'guarantee' usedparts too..

UK - craddocks or PJ 4x4 has them new but new ain't cheaper at all... but more chance of finding a breaker over there with knowledge and quality used parts ( I am biased for a reason;) . I am looking for one now from UK . Let me know if you surf up a good price, I'll do the same..

Originally posted by Serious One
Ugh.

I didn't know you could check the viscous fluid. That's pretty cool. I've been running my '90 for 5 1/2 years now and haven't checked it once. Guess it's time to check it.

How much is a VC? Is the pain of R&R worth the hassle and should I just drop in that LT-230?

Hmmm....

Oh, about the light guards.

they're held in place with really long allen screws, and if I remove those screws the lights won't stay in, because they're the screws that hold the assembly in place.

So......let me cannibalize some screws off of my dead RR and see what I can do.

Are you going to be in Moab this weekend or should I mail them to you? I probably won't get to it until next week honestly.

Thanks!

No Moab for me, no vacation, money sucks right now and with two mortgages and a dog that just had to be put down, I am kinda :(

Way and I are gonna hit the trails this weekend around here. Maybe twice!

Mail is fine on the guards. PM me for my Fed-ex account.

NO you CANNOT use it to ship parts from the UK!

j

NO you CANNOT use it to ship parts from the UK!

LOL..Does that extend to everyone, or just Michael? If not, Michael I want to order a bunch of stuff from the UK, would you pass along the number for a six pack of beer??? I figure I can make a lot of money on small heavy parts that are cheap if I do not have to pay shipping.

Way

Hey TallBrad,

Yeah, don't you know I just *pretend* to be ignorant on the 'net so that others don't feel so stupid!!!! Hehe. :flipoff2:

Honestly, I'm just a guy who has been tinkering with LR's for only about 6-7 years. I can't rebuild an engine, tranny or t-case, can't setup a diff, and can't properly diagnose a blown head gasket.

But, in my travails I have learned a lot of other Rover stuff, and aside from the above, feel confident in my abilities to fix/diagnose things that are wrong with the rest of the vehicle (is there that much left???).

One of the cool things about the internet is this quasi-relationship state that we exist in. When I laugh at posts on POR out loud my daughter asks me what I'm laughing at and I say, 'it's my buddy'. She asks what his name is and I have to say I don't know. So, the fact that you kind of know me, kind of don't is pretty cool honestly. I have a ton of people that I kind of know, kind of dont.

I'll check out D-web (ugh!) and see what's up. I do poke in there from time to time to see who's saying what (usually looking for dirt on us :flipoff2: )!!!!

Red, sorry to hear about the dog. My buddy in Paso lost his two dogs last week, and he is so bummed that he's not going to the ralley in Moab. He's Timm's business partner and this was going to be their big coming out party. He called to apologize and I told him to shut up and take care of what matters.

I understand completely.

Oh, and I WILL use your acct. to ship from the UK!!! :flipoff2:

Mike,
Ok so I am still not answering your question about how much shorter, but I promise Ill measure it tonight. But then any Yahoo with a Disco will give you the same answer I will.

As for replacing just the Viscous, DON'T DO IT! Buying the 230/lincage/mount/Dshaft was cheaper than buying just the viscous unit. Hell, once you move in (I won't do it in the parking lot) I could come down and help you throw it in in a weekend. And fo yu, special price :D

-Jeff

Fo ME, speciaaaahl pwwwice??

OOh, sounds good.

I'll comp you either:

1. Mandalay Bay shark exhibit

-or-

2. Seigfried and Roy tiger/magic show

-or-

3. Tic-tac-toe with a live chicken at the Tropicana (you could win $100,000)

I'll let you know when we move in!

I was thinking more along the lines of topless women with HUGE feathers sticking out from the top of their heads, although #3 sound good! Does that come with a buffet, or all you can eat buffalo wings?

-Jeff

Briggs - You must be a trust fund kid... Don't listen to those rich kids from the other side of the track Serious !! Buy Nearly New not New New... Heck - I haven't had over a half tank of gas in either of my two junkers for lack of liquidity since I graduated college , only took me 7 years flipoff2: , and then decided not use my degree - Mandarin Chinese... but I am convinced I will one day start a China Rover Adventure Pursuits company... ( some call my idea CRAP )...

And on the passing of your dog I am truly sorry. I have a 4 year old white lab named Cassidy I could not live without and my closest friend's lab of the same age, Belle, just died of heatsroke on a run last month. So be very careful all you Lab owners out there !! I still tear up thinking about that great dog...

My excuse every weekend to go offroading is just to take Cassidy swimming at a new and exciting spot..

I'll try and find some inexpensive quality VCs.....: but I'm also looking for the mystical lt230 at a bargain price too...

And Yes - It's great not knowing any of you, Check included.... what ever happened to Sam - the guy who buys parts and works on rovers all day.. what he is some kind of sheep farmer to have all that time ???... must be shearing season as he hasn't posted in a while... Sam, it is easier if you stick their hind legs in your wellies - atleast that is what I have heard...

I had one fall out of my diesel. Brakes started pulling badly and I stopped to investigate and there was oil everywhere . . . . So yup it does happen. Luckily they are just pipe thread and the hardware where I pulled over had mass quantities in their plumbing section. I got 4 just in case.
-Regards
-Ike Goss
1951 80
1959 89.5
1964 109
1973 88

Trust Fund? Not quite. The point is I spent about $450 on my LT230 conversion. Even if the viscous is replaced the BW is not as stout of Tcase as the 230. I dont have the $ to upgrade on a whim, so I have to carefully plan them out. Often times a better (ie stronger, easier, or more durable) solution can be found for less money, it just takes being resourceful.

-Jeff

So the LT230 replaces the BW and VC in one fell swoop and can use the same rear DS but requires a Disco or shortened front DS... and I would get some lower gearing from the lt230 and never have to worry about viscous again... only down side is I have to buy a new Dremel tool blade to cut the hole in the dash for the linkage .. Free wheel front hubs would mean I could go back to my old highschool and do donuts on the soccer fields ! If I get all that for $450 that is a deal worth considering..... provided I do all the labor it would be worth it..

And have you read about the new 2.8L Powerstroke that fits our LR's now ? Saw it on the ECR sight... sswwwweeeeet.. I have always loved those deep water crossings..

http://www.safari4x4.com.au/docs/video.htm



but must be really heavy..

Brad,
You are correct on most points, but the stock LT230 is not a part time case, although it can be modified, and the low range stays the same. As for the shifter counsel mod, It can be done to look factory, or you can get one from an 87-88 truck, you don't have to settle for that 'kustom Jeep look'.


-Jeff