Here's what I've got - a 44 (beats me what it was off of) that I put outers (brakes, knuckles) off a '78 Dodge Power Wagon (for the high steer and 5/5.5" bolt pattern). I measured the inners at 31-15/16" (passenger side) and 15-11/16" (driver). Warn says the inners off a Waggy will work.
Will the Warn Ford or Chevy outer shafts work, or are they different lengths? I measured 9-7/8", they've a 9.92" for disc brakes. Keep in mind all these measurements were done with a tape measure, so I could be off by an 1/8".
By the way, what's this I hear that you can't convert Dodge full-time to manual hubs? I just pulled out the full-time stuff and threw some Warn hubs in.

Sounds like you got one that was converted to part-time, then someone pulled the hubs and put slugs in later. Factory setup for those outers is a short (~5") 1.5" 35-spline stub shaft with a threaded end and a big nut. You'll also notice on those outers a surface near the ujoint about 3" in dameter where the large seal rides. If this doesn't sound like what you've got, it may be that some other outers were swapped onto that axle. What you've described ain't stock Dodge stuff for that vintage.

Almost missed the lengths on those inners. My 77 inner shafts are 15.31" and 36.31" - and no one except Moser can make a long-side that will work. I would expect that the bolt pattern *should* be 5x4.5 but I know that they converted about that time, and it really could be either, so that doesn't help much.

Sounds like the whole axle may have been swapped into that ramcharger out of something else. Need more info. Pics?

I'm not too worried about the inners. Warn's Waggy shafts are each about 1/8" longer than my measurements.
What I'm wondering about is the outer shafts. Warn makes shafts for Ford and Chevy outers, but not Dodge. The measurements seemed pretty close and I'm wondering if anyone knows if they'll work. They're 19 spline outers.

re read the first paragraph in Lloyd's post.

You got something besides Dodge full time on there. Chances are it's Ford full time stuff, not Dodge. Just find out what it is before you go ordering shafts.

I understand that you've matched the inners.

Hick (Garret) has a Dodge fulltime axle that has a Milemarker conversion. That conversion replaces the hub with one that will accept lockouts, and has 19-spline outer shafts that have the big inner seal surface. It does use the Dodge knuckle and bearings, etc. If this is what you have, then Warn outers won't provide an inner seal, and you might as well pack the wheelbearings with mud when you reassemble.

If the outer knuckles, etc. have been changed to another type of factory 44 setup, then you may be able to run Warn outers. It all depends on what you really have. What you really have IS NOT complete factory Dodge fulltime outers.

Hey dude, if you've got those oddball Milemarker stubs why don't you cut a piece of aluminum the same OD as the seal surface on your current stubs, bore a hole a few thou smaller than the OD of your new Warn stubs, and press that sucker on there? May need to take a die grinder and cut some clearance for the yoke ears to get it in the right place, but that'll get you Warn shafts with a place for the inner seal. Could also add a set screw or three coming in at an angle from the side. Just something that popped into my mind when I was going to sleep last night....

Aww hell... I must have forgot what year I pulled it off of originally. I took a look at one of the stub axles down at Conejo Off Road, and it looks just like my stub axle. I'm using the same Warn hub as a mid-80's Chevy (20990), so I must have an 80's Dodge setup. The inner seals are the same, so I guess it just comes down to whether I'm getting the right length stub axle. So how come Warn doesn't sell an axle for a Dodge?

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I think that they were the same as Chevy during the front drum-brake years. I think that they were the same as Chevy in the post-fulltime disc brake years... I could be wrong here, but that's what I think.

Dodge aftermarket and performance stuff is 5% of the market.