$4,000 added purse!
All teams must have: communication devices, 3/4 face helmets, neck braces, fire suits, battery shut off switch. note: comm device can be bluetooth.

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Team registration
Friday 5-7pm
Saturday 9-noon

Team/class event fees:
UTV $30
OEM $75
Unlimited $100

Vendor registration from 9-11.
All vendors must be set-up by noon
All vendor fees are added to the total purse of the teams. So far, we have $4,000 raised!

Vendor fees
10x10 booth $300
10x20 booth $500
for bigger booths call

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The track will consist of 90 loads of dirt, 19 boulders, gunite. We have the track drawn out with jumps and hill climbs. 2 10' hill climbs, 1 20' climb. We begin moving in dirt this weekend!!!

We have heavy advertising in:
5,000 fliers
250 posters
1 billboard on 270 west in Hot Springs
1 billboard on 30 west in Little Rock
Multiple ads in the Sentinal Record
100.3 The Edge Radio Station 2 weeks of ads
US 97 Country Radio Station 2 weeks of ads
niche market websites
word of mouth

If you plan on racing, you must contact me on or before FRIDAY, July 10th, to let me know if your racing. All teams must tech in friday night from 5-7pm or Saturday from 9am-noon. There are no late entries. There is a limit of 20 teams in each class.

To register, you need to include the following:
1. driver first and last name
2. co-driver first and last name
3. spotter first and last name
4. team name
5. vehicle number
6. city and state
7. Vehicle class

This thread will be used as an unofficial head count.
I will update the list as new teams sign-up.

Race teams:

UTV Class
1. Matt Enochs & Sarah Graham of Team Nasty driving a Polaris RZR (Alvord, Tx)
2. Kyle Boggs & Dan Capranica of team Boggs Racing driving a Polaris RZR (Oak Grove, MO)
3. Ben Garrison and Troy Ranken of Boobicon Racing/Pringle Fab #27 (Spring texas) driving a Polaris RZR PRO
4. Erick Brock and Chip MacLaughlin and Brad Christenson of Boobicon Racing/Pringle Fab #27 (Spring texas) driving a Polaris RZR PRO
5. Darius Melton and Tonya Melton of Premier 4x4 #00 driving a Polaris RZR (Hot Springs, AR) PRO
Who's #6?

OEM Class
1. Louie Keener and Heath Catron of Ballzout Motorsports #96 (Springfield, MO) PRO
2. Darius Melton and Tonya Melton of Premier 4x4 #00 (Hot Springs, AR) PRO
3. Lisa Rush and Travis Cook of Team ATF #5050 (MO) PRO
4. Judd Zembsch and Jeff Mayfield of Zembsh Racing #11(MO) PRO
5. Evan Tidwell and Eric Tidwell #7 of Premier 4x4 (Hot Springs, AR) PRO
6. Kyle Bruso and Kyle Holland of Bruso Motorsports #21 (Lavaca, AR) PRO
7. Mike Campisi and Chad Kerls of team Rock-N-Racing #317 (St. Louis, MO) PRO
8. Jarred Engelbach and David McManis and Bob Engelbach of team Chedango #88 (Eureka, MO) PRO
9. Travis Cook and Lisa Rush of Team ATF #8 (Springfield, MO) PRO
10. George Dobson and Dan McDonald of Team Sumner Machine (Tulsa, Oklahoma) PRO
11. Chip MacLaughlin and Erick Brock and Brad Christenson of Boobicon Racing/Pringle Fab #27 (Spring texas) PRO
12. Brad Christenson and Chip MacLaughlin and Erick Brock of Boobicon Racing/Pringle Fab #27 (Spring texas) PRO
13. Jay Albrecht & Barry Beadle of ? team name #232 (Tyler, Texas) PRO
14. Duane Garretson & Jeff Speer of CGYS MOTORSPORTS #26 (Alma, AR)PRO
15. Billy Gilstrap & Clay Gilstrap ? team name #46 (Lufkin TX) PRO
16. Preston Simpson and Carl Yarbrough of Old Town Customs (Nacogdoches, TX) PRO
17. Daniel Stricklan & Jeremy Bearup of Team Stricklan Construction #18 (BFE, Arkansas) PRO
Who's #18

Unlimited Class
1. Buddy and alt spotter of Rock Hard Racing #24 (Mabank, Texas) PRO
2. Amanda and Buddy Daugherty of Rock Hard Racing #42 (Mabank, Texas) PRO
3. Dan McDonald and George Dobson of Team Lucky Dog Racing #2 (Wichita, Kansas) PRO
4. Derek West and Richie Keller of Crush Motorsports #200 (Springfield, MO) PRO
5. Tim and Colby Cantrell and Bobby Potts of Cantrell Racing #53 (Kennesaw, Georgia) PRO
6. Barry Beadle & Kevin Barnes of On Track Krawler Team #52 (Granbury, Texas) PRO
7. Shelby Gilstrap & Billy Gilstrap & Clay Gilstrap of OTC #S16 (Lufkin, TX) PRO
8. Justin Lawson and Cody Keller of CGYS Motorsports #6 (Ft. Smith, AR) PRO
9. Tim Taylor and Carl Yarbrough of Old Town Customs (Nacogdoches, TX) PRO
who's #10

For more info, visit this link: http://www.morocracing.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=34

Driver: Duane Garretson, Spotter: Jeff Speer
Alma, AR
CGYS MOTORSPORTS #26
OEM Class

Shelby Gilstrap Driver
Clay Gilstrap Rider
Billy Gilstrap Spotter
#S16
We Got This Racing
Lufkin Tx
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Billy Gilstrap Driver
Clay Gilstrap Spotter
#46
We Got This Racing
Lufkin TX
OEM

Justin Lawson and Cody Keller
CGYS Motorsports #6
Ft. Smith, AR
Unlimited Class

up to 30 teams

Texas is representing with 13!

Only a few spots left in the OEM class

The words out, I was told Hot Springs is stocking up on Texas Toast, Just to make sure we feel at home.

I am waiting for Brown Santa to showup with my ORI's today and then the Jeep will officially be ready for this race! I have been working on it since the MOROC race in Spring....I am stoked and ready to roll (hopefully not twice this time)!

Chip Mac
Pringle Fab'ed Racing in the Boobicon TJ - OEM

Any word on how the Purse will be split, how many places, what %.

I have a couple more things to tweek on the Jeep & it will be ready.

It will be split by the number of drivers in each class. Currently there is $4,000 expected from vendors, so divide by the 30 teams total and each team accounts for 133.33 of the pot. The more teams there are in a class, the bigger the payouts will be.

Up to 32 teams...

OEM has only 3 spaces available. This is going to be FUN!

The track is coming together nicely....still a long way until completion, but it is coming together. So far we have 50 loads of dirt in and all the boulders in (not placed). Back at it tomarrow.

My POS camera died so no pics as of yet. I plan to finally buy a new one tomarrow.

ORANGE and Rock Hard. There is a hill with that exact name. It seriously has Buddy written all over it!

But the news is, vehicles will be racing side by side! There is Plenty of room. 4 lanes wide. 20-25ft each

I'm Stoked, a little frightened and slightly terrified :eek:

I'm Stoked, a little frightened and slightly terrified :eek:

Buddy that "Orange and Rock Hard" hill is actually just a speed bump out in the parking lot :flipoff2:

Buddy that "Orange and Rock Hard" hill is actually just a speed bump out in the parking lot :flipoff2:

Speed bumps!:shocked::shocked: Now I know Im in trouble:crybaby2:

Buddy, did you get a chance to do a few trial laps around the house on the rebuilt ORIs?

Orange and Rock Hard Hill

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Looks awesome. I am sorry I cannot make this one.

Buddy, did you get a chance to do a few trial laps around the house on the rebuilt ORIs?

Did I ever!!!! They are better than New!! We are going to put them to the test next weekend, BYE-SLAMA-JAMA

Got my ORIs on this weekend and love them! I can't wait to break them in next weekend! Anyone know of a hotel close to the track?

We are staying at the;

Candlewood Suites
3416 CENTRAL AVE
HOT SPRINGS, AR 71913
UNITED STATES

Should get there FRIDAYabout 6

New obstacles:
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This hill still needs to be shaped and gunite added.
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The next pics are of the track as a whole. The large orange towers are the course seperators running right down the middle. The white towers are the lane dividers. The small orange towers are the boundaries for the turn aound for the 2nd lap. The white media truck is near the start lane for all 4 courses.
BTW, This will be the end of the pictures except for the added rocks and the gunite....Unless I go testing something new. :)

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Double DEEE
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Looking good. Can't wait! Hope the kids weren't to hard on the rig this weekend at SMORR. Got to do clean up and final tweeks by thursday will be down Friday sometime. Where's the meet and greet and registration located? ALso Nathan Can racers camp at the event site?

friday night registration is at the event site from 5-7

Teams can camp there onsite.

How big's the floor there?

friday night registration is at the event site from 5-7

Teams can camp there onsite.

Can you please make electric available?

Where is the rock crawl at?

If you put in an "EVIL LOG", we will come for sure

If you put in an "EVIL LOG", we will come for sure

well, there was a dog walking around there today, so you never know what you could find. :flipoff2:

The track from concrete barrier to barrier is 286ft long and 97ft wide. Then there is another 12-15ft of room before the bleechers start. The obstacles all stop 3ft from the barriers for safety.

Electric hook-ups are available for campers. If you absolutely need it during the race, There are a couple hook-ups close enough to the track we could make them part of the pits with a little extra work. The pit area will be seperated from the spectator areas for security and safety.

Also, I should note: Only teams and Staff can camp.

Here is the most current list of Race teams:

UTV Class
1. Matt Enochs & Sarah Graham of Team Nasty driving a Polaris RZR (Alvord, Tx)
2. Kyle Boggs & Dan Capranica of team Boggs Racing driving a Polaris RZR (Oak Grove, MO)
3. Ben Garrison and Troy Ranken of Boobicon Racing/Pringle Fab #27 (Spring texas) driving a Polaris RZR PRO
4. Erick Brock and Chip MacLaughlin and Brad Christenson of Boobicon Racing/Pringle Fab #27 (Spring texas) driving a Polaris RZR PRO
5. Darius Melton and Tonya Melton of Premier 4x4 #00 driving a Polaris RZR (Hot Springs, AR) PRO
Who's #6?

OEM Class
1. Louie Keener and Heath Catron of Ballzout Motorsports #96 (Springfield, MO) PRO
2. Darius Melton and Tonya Melton of Premier 4x4 #00 (Hot Springs, AR) PRO
3. Lisa Rush and Travis Cook of Team ATF #5050 (MO) PRO
4. Judd Zembsch and Jeff Mayfield of Zembsh Racing #11(MO) PRO
5. Evan Tidwell and Eric Tidwell #7 of Premier 4x4 (Hot Springs, AR) PRO
6. Kyle Bruso and Kyle Holland of Bruso Motorsports #21 (Lavaca, AR) PRO
7. Mike Campisi and Chad Kerls of team Rock-N-Racing #317 (St. Louis, MO) PRO
8. Jarred Engelbach and David McManis and Bob Engelbach of team Chedango #88 (Eureka, MO) PRO
9. Travis Cook and Lisa Rush of Team ATF #8 (Springfield, MO) PRO
10. George Dobson and ? spotter of Team Sumner Machine (Tulsa, Oklahoma) PRO MAYBE ATTENDING
11. Chip MacLaughlin and Erick Brock and Brad Christenson of Boobicon Racing/Pringle Fab #27 (Spring texas) PRO
12. Brad Christenson and Chip MacLaughlin and Erick Brock of Boobicon Racing/Pringle Fab #27 (Spring texas) PRO
13. Jay Albrecht & Barry Beadle of ? team name #232 (Tyler, Texas) PRO
14. Duane Garretson & Jeff Speer of CGYS MOTORSPORTS #26 (Alma, AR)PRO
15. Billy Gilstrap & Clay Gilstrap ? team name #46 (Lufkin TX) PRO
16. Preston Simpson and Carl Yarbrough of Old Town Customs (Nacogdoches, TX) PRO
17. Daniel Stricklan & Jeremy Bearup of Team Stricklan Construction #18 (BFE, Arkansas) PRO
Who's #18

Unlimited Class
1. Buddy and alt spotter of Rock Hard Racing #24 (Mabank, Texas) PRO
2. Amanda and Buddy Daugherty of Rock Hard Racing #42 (Mabank, Texas) PRO
3. Dan McDonald and ? spotter of Team Lucky Dog Racing #2 (Wichita, Kansas) PRO
4. Derek West and Richie Keller of Crush Motorsports #200 (Springfield, MO) PRO
5. Tim and Colby Cantrell and Bobby Potts of Cantrell Racing #53 (Kennesaw, Georgia) PRO
6. Barry Beadle & Kevin Barnes of On Track Krawler Team #52 (Granbury, Texas) PRO
7. Shelby Gilstrap & Billy Gilstrap & Clay Gilstrap of OTC #S16 (Lufkin, TX) PRO
8. Justin Lawson and Cody Keller of CGYS Motorsports #6 (Ft. Smith, AR) PRO
9. Tim Taylor and Carl Yarbrough of Old Town Customs (Nacogdoches, TX) PRO
10. Brian Shirley and ? of Team Lucky Dog Racing #18 (Wichita, Kansas) PRO
11. Levi Shirley and ? of Team Lucky Dog Racing #81 (Wichita, Kansas) PRO
12. Jared Smith and Mike Dalton of RLC Motorsports #677 (Cookville, Tenneessee) PRO
13. Carl Yarbrough and Preston Simpson of Old Town Customs (Nacogdoches, Texas) PRO
14. Joel Withers and Joseph Hines of Camco Rock Racing, #007, (Brandon, Mississippi) PRO
who's #15

This will be one hellova show!

A couple of the things I found on the side of the road.

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I think the car insurance under it is pretty funny!! Will they give insurance incase I rollover again? LOL

I think the car insurance under it is pretty funny!! Will they give insurance incase I rollover again? LOL

Dont you mean WHEN you roll over again?

Dont you mean WHEN you roll over again?

Hey brad....I will be your spotter. :flipoff2:

How big's the floor there?

Hell I was wondering how high the Ceiling was

I know, you have pleanty of time after you roll over on your first run. :beer::beer::beer:

Hey brad....I will be your spotter. :flipoff2:

Nathan - Travis will not be bringing his rig #8 to race. If he can run mine after I do, he will do that, if not he will not run at all. Let us know please. Thanks!

Buddy... AIM for the ceiling! lol

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Dang I almost missed your post Lisa. You and Travis can drive the same rig as two different entries...but if he chooses later to run the series, his score would not count towards the series because of the class seperation.

Dale Watts competed in 2 different classes in the same rig in the same event last year. Same deal.

Sense you will probably be registering at the same time... I just wounder what will happen when your paired up and you will be racing side x side. :flipoff2:

Hey its Matt Enochs the 4x4 is broke in my rzr will it make the course in 2 wheel and I really dont feel like fixing it now?

LOL Good question. I seriously doubt it considering the new hill climb we built tonight....but I always love a good challenge. I'll test that theory tomarrow and let you know! I know it works in 4 high, except for the rocks!

Night work. Was hoping for better pics.

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New hill climb and rocks
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Ghost rock
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Hey Buddy that is the Hotel that all the hoes stay at? Darius wanted me to tell you that. LOL :D
Hey he will be the big 40 tomorrow on the 8th.
Hey the track is awesome as ever and cool looking.

The buggy took a hell of a hit in Co Springs race. Ass over tea-kettle, everything landed on right rear corner. Crushed the chassie in that corner.
We are working hard to get her back moving, I think she will limp soon.
Looking forward to seeing all our Moroc friends this weekend.
Where is Ballzout??? I haven't read one thing that mentions a trip to Church:confused:

Oh we are around just lurking and planning our attack on Hot SPrings. I am sure church will be involved at some point this weekend. Heck guess we could get buddy to bring over his friends from the hotel and we wouldn't have to pay the cover charge at the church.

I am ready for a good party with a great group of racers. See yall Friday.


BALLZOUT!!!

Now Church is a holy place. RIGHT:evil:

Depends on how you look at it. For some it might be the devils play ground and then for some it is the promiseland. :grinpimp:

when is the gunite going in?

We are hoping today or tomorrow. Hey Ballzout boot scooters is alot of churching for saturday night. lol

Oh damn dancing drinking then church I will have to repent when I get home. Whats the minimum age for boot scooters? We do have some younger drivers and team members.

JabNasty...
It is confirmed. You will need 4wd. The new obstacle is even more challenging than I gave it credit for last night. I didnt even need to test the rest of the track. The utv bipass is even nasty, but is doable. :D:D

I'll get pictures up later tonight of my experiance or attempts trying to get over the new Colter's revine. Just too bad I didn't get any shots of me pulling the rzr off the hill with my truck.

Last night I pulled some strings and got a new cage sprag to test for a company which they say will not break. I told them I needed it yesterday and is going in the mail tomorrow morning, hopefully it will be in by friday and I could be there late friday night early saturday morning. Ill keep you updated on weather or not Ill be able to make it.

Hey Buddy that is the Hotel that all the hoes stay at? Darius wanted me to tell you that. LOL :D
Hey he will be the big 40 tomorrow on the 8th.
Hey the track is awesome as ever and cool looking.

Hoes, H:eek:ell Im changeing hotels

you have to be 21 years old to enter.

hey Darius is playing with you there aint none out there. tha is a new hotel anyways.

He said we know alot of nice gift shops in Hot Springs and we know all good Texanas need big belt buckles. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D :D :D :D

Hawt Dawg!!! Lucky Dawg is a coming!!!! Happy BD Darius!!!! See Yawl in Hot Springs!!!! Come on Matt get off your ars and load up!!!! My money is riding on you!!! :D Can't Be a Rock Star on the couch!!!:evil:

One more question. Are fire suits manditory for the utv class also or will it be just like in spring tx?

I'm glad to read your coming!!! Teams in the UTV class are not required to wear suits. although 3 of 5 are. Just neck braces, 3/4 face helmets and doors or door nets and your good!

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Double Deee hill (2nd direction)
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Double Deee hill (1st direction)
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the next 4 pics are of the optional bipass (v-notch) for double dee hill, but each team will need 2 solid attempts up that mount of lust before taking that bipass. no winching will be happening this weekend!
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Windshield view of double dee. This hill will be sprayed early friday morning with the good stuff!
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I really enjoy testing these courses
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hey Darius is playing with you there aint none out there. tha is a new hotel anyways.

He said we know alot of nice gift shops in Hot Springs and we know all good Texanas need big belt buckles. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D :D :D :D

I was jokeing also, gift shops in Hot Springs? No Way!:p

Nathen:eek: Is that you without a seat belt!

Looks good!!!

who me... :shaking:

you should be focused on studying the course...not the dumb ass on the rzr. :D

hey Darius you need an extra helmet ....nice jumps

We have one now greesons sponsored me a knew one and gave to us and guess who got it heath - ster and it aint Darius it was me hahahahaha. :D

hey are yall going to hook up at the house or no? let us know ok.

Must not be any shotcrete. no pictures.

Well im gonna be a no show parts didnt get here in time but you all have a great race.

I'm sorry to hear you aren't gonna make it. I was really looking forward to watching you race again!

We got the shot crete! Just no time to post pics. There will be plenty of shots of you on it tomarrow. :)

Man I wanna race bad but it might be a good thing im broke because with the crowd your expecting I would have gone all out and yard saled my shit and I was planning on it anyways.

How did the race go today??? Photos???

Anything?

Anything?

Nanthan must still be asleep he did a lot of work to get this event ready. Brian Shirley 1st, Levi Shirley 2nd, & Buddy D. 3rd.

The only thing I Heard is that Brian and Levi Finsihed 1st and 2nd and Buddy Came in a close 3rd in the unlimited class and Louie Keener came in second in the combined class! Soemthing like 8 rollovers!!
Wished I could have been there!
Anybody with more info please post up and Also We wanna see pics!!!

The only thing I Heard is that Brian and Levi Finsihed 1st and 2nd and Buddy Came in a close 3rd in the unlimited class and Louie Keener came in second in the combined class! Soemthing like 8 rollovers!!
Wished I could have been there!
Anybody with more info please post up and Also We wanna see pics!!!

Congrats to Brian, Levi and Buddy!!!

I would love to see some video. That was an interesting, tight course. Were there many spectators?

Just got back, Ill post some pictures in a minute. lots of off camber stuff, thanks to my ORI Struts. :D

Wish i coulda made it but i had to work :(

sureshot40sw went and ive told him to post his pics here

:shaking:It was pretty muddy, (I know, yes it was an indoor race), but way to much "dust control".
All in allm it was a pretty fun event. I had an issue with what I thought was a judge pointing me off course. costing at least a minute of time to get gear back on and turn around to finish.:mad3:
Brian and Levi ran with their 35's, and flat out moved around that course.

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goig to fire my photo maka

Had a good time, I will have to see what photos I have and get something up. Here is some in-car action.

YouTube - Derek West - Rockracing, Moroc Hot Springs 09 #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SuU-R7RA1s)

Buddy, you and Jody drove this race like you have done this before. Everytime I see you drive this year, you keep getting faster and way more controlled, Nice Jog my friend. Guess we will see you next in Jellico!

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My baby girl,, go

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As you can tell the crowd had died down, it was late and Hot! during the shoot out

Buddy, you and Jody drove this race like you have done this before. Everytime I see you drive this year, you keep getting faster and way more controlled, Nice Jog my friend. Guess we will see you next in Jellico!

Thanks, Im trying, Im not sure about the controll part! I think its my brother
My mom would be mad if I hurt her baby Boy.

:D Hey CONGRATES to Darius and Tonya on wining 3rd in the UTV class. Hey it was a great show everyone. We had a great tiem seeing everyone race. :D
Hey thanks to every driver and co - driver and spotter that signed the banner for us. We love it and it will be hung in our living room around our trophs and plackes. It meant alot to us THANKS ALOT EVERYONE. :D

Hey Nathan you and Christa are welcome back to stay anytime you want to just let us know when ok. Your mom and dad also we have really had a great time with yall all.
Well now it is time to work on wedding plans now. YAYAYAYAYAYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE HAD A WONDERD FUL TIME,
Darius and Tonya

Hey guys and Gals... sorry it took so long to post these. I had a great time. Thanks to those who came out to help make the event so exciting. All the teams acted extremely professional and worked hard to keep their fans happy, their rigs working, and the show going with few delays. I think I caused the delays being my first time on the mic. :)

I have too many thanks and kudos to give. The Media attendance: Jon Jensen (The Voice of MOROC), Chris Tobin (Dirt Sports), Christa Hill (my new fiance), Jon Reddell (Mountain Photos), Steve Waddell (Xtra-Ordinary Photograghy), Robert Brim (Branson TV Network), and the whole crew from Road Dawg Media -especially David and Joel.

A special thanks to Derek, our newest Stager who keeps the ball rolling at every event he attends! All the judges and staff who worked hard as volunteers, the tech inspectors Charlie and Carl, the recovery teams, especially Butch, and our security and gate keepers. The Garland County Fair Grounds also needs recognized for allowing us the opportunity to make many teams dreams come true of doing an indoor race...and my dreams come true also. They have a truely spectacular facility and we look forward to returning there again.

Also a special thanks to the vendors: Flossies, MRW, Blu Frog Energy, and Superlift ORV Park. And to the sponsors who made the event possible: Mud Connection, Blu Frog Energy, Scott's Equipment, CJ Horner, Truck Parts and Supply, Old Town Customs, Marsh Racing Wheels, Pitbull Tires, Greeson's Equipment, Guardian Environmental Systems, SMORR, and Wesellbatteries.com And an enormous thanks to the family, the company, the race team... our friends who made this event all possible: Darius and Tonya Melton of Melton Excavating and Team Premier 4x4. They built some awesome and challenging courses, helped bring the event there, and provided support during the event. You guys ROCK!!!

UTV Class
Ben Garrison and Troy Rankin 1:06, 1:05, 1:05, 1:08 = 4:24 1st
Darius and Tonya Melton 1:59, 1:20, 1:08, 1:17 = 5:44 2nd
Erick Brock and Chip Maclaughlin 1:59, 1:40, 1:27, 1:20 = 6:26 3rd

Amazingly enough, the 1st place UTV teams was faster than the 1st place OEM. These guys were FAST!!!


OEM Class
Jay Albrecht and Barry Beadle 1:15, 1:09, 1:16, 1:17, 1:13 = 6:10 1st Won over 1200 cash, $100 gift cert OTC, buy 2 get 2 MRW
Louie Keener and Heath Catron 2:03, 1:28, 2:01, 1:13, 1:42 = 2nd
Daniel Stricklin and Jeremey Bearup 1:28, 2:06, 2:09, 1:46, 1:32 = 9:01 3rd
Chip MacLaughlin and Darlene Harrison 1:41, 1:31, 1:22, 3:35 = 6:09 4th 2-min penalty
Preston Simpson and and Carl Yarborough 2:10, 1:35, 2:28, 2:57 = 9:10 5th
Kyle Bruso and Kyle Holland 1:20, 1:26, 6:00, 1:22, 1:51 = 11:59 6th Voted Crowd Favorite and raced in the Shoot Out
Jarred and Bob Engelbach 1:13, 1:31, 6:00, 1:29 = 10:13 7th
Duane Garretson JR and Jeff Speer 1:45, 1:28, 6:00, 1:14 = 10:27 8th
Mike Campisi and Chad Kerls 1:18, 1:50, 6:00, 1:34 = 10:42 9th
Brad Christenson and Troy Rankin 1:52, 4:20, 2:38, 4:14 = 13:04 10th 9th 2-min penalty
Judd Zembsch and Jeff Mayfield 1:25, 1:31, 6:00, 6:00 14:56 11th Voted OEM Best Of Show
Lisa Rush and Travis Cook 6:00, 2:15, 6:00, 1:34 16:07 12th
Evan and Eric Tidwell = DNF
Billy and Clay Gilstrap = DNF
Darius and Tonya Melton = DNF
If no teams broke or rolled, there would have been some amazingly close times.

Unlimited Class
Brian Shirley and Zach Crotts 0:47, 0:45, 0:44, 1:07 0:50 = 4:13 1st Won over 1200 cash, $100 gift cert OTC, buy 2 get 2 MRW
Levi Shirley and Zach Crotts 1:10, 1:07, 0:45, 0:48, 0:48 = 4:38 2nd
Buddy and Jody Daugherty 1:01, 1:05, 0:59, 0:59, 0:55 = 4:59 3rd
Cody Keller and Justin Lawson 1:06, 1:19, 1:05, 1:01 = 4:31 4th
Joel Withers and Joseph Hines 1:15, 1:17, 1:08, 1:00, 4:40 = 4:40 5th
Derek West and Richie Keller 0:46, 0:56, 2:47, 0:51 = 5:20 6th 2-Min Penalty
Carl Yarbrough and Chad Roach 1:18, 1:22, 1:26, 1:32, 1:26 = 7:04 7th Voted Unlimited Crowd Favorite and raced in the Shoot Out
Dan McDonald and John Sumner 2:03, 1:21, 1:21, 1:00 = 5:45 8th
Shelby Gilstrap & Billy Gilstrap 1:34, 1:49, 1:36, 1:32 = 6:31 9th
Tim and Colby Cantrell 4:00, 1:03, 1:05, 1:03 = 7:11 10th Voted Unlimited Best Of Show
Tim Taylor and Carl Yarbrough 1:07, 1:19, 1:03, 4:00 = 7:29 11th
Amanda and Lindsay Daugherty 1:54, 3:37, 1:05, 1:22 = 7:58 12th
Barry Beadle & Kevin Barnes 1:23, 4:00, 3:02, 4:00 = 12:25 13th
Jared Smith and Mike Dalton 4:00, 1:50, 4:00, 4:00 = 13:50 14th

Had a good time, I will have to see what photos I have and get something up. Here is some in-car action.

YouTube - Derek West - Rockracing, Moroc Hot Springs 09 #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SuU-R7RA1s)

Awesome footage. It looked awesome outside the car too. I hate that you hit the banner. I LOVE the commentary after the race!

Congrats Brian and Levi:D:smokin:
Es gibt keine schlechten Tage:D

The only thing I Heard is that Brian and Levi Finsihed 1st and 2nd and Buddy Came in a close 3rd in the unlimited class and Louie Keener came in second in the combined class! Soemthing like 8 rollovers!!
Wished I could have been there!
Anybody with more info please post up and Also We wanna see pics!!!

Wasn't the same without you there!!! It was like, an event, and you were not there!! And thats just weird mann. See yawl in Jelly Co..

I had a great time!! I am wore out after a long trip there and home! That was some completely different kinda wheeling then I am use to and I loved it! Glad I got my ORIs on for this one! My mistake with the banner cost me 2nd in OEM....I will do better next time!! Watch out, I'm hooked!!!

Chip Mac

I had a great time too. Definitely would like to try again minus the flop and yard dart. Brian and Levi were flat out getting it. Contgrats to them and to Jay Albrecht who spanked the OEM class.

We had a blast and want to thank everyone who came out to withstand the heat to watch and race. For the 1st event of its type it ran smoothly and the staff did great to keep the pace moving. I want to thank Brandon Powell of Southern MIssouri Offroad ranch for coming down to be our 3rd spotter and helping a couple of rednecks in 35" tire full body tj rig place 2nd against the likes of the fabtech promod car and big tire boys. Also Derek West for letting my son play on his pit bike all weekend. Congrats to all the winners and hope to see all the racers and fans in Hannibal in 2 weeks.

Had a good time, I will have to see what photos I have and get something up. Here is some in-car action.

YouTube - Derek West - Rockracing, Moroc Hot Springs 09 #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SuU-R7RA1s)


1:56 and 2:44 :smokin:

1:56 and 2:44 :smokin:

Yes, Ashley was there. Hopefully she will make Jellico to give you something to shoot.:)

Yes, Ashley was there. Hopefully she will make Jellico to give you something to shoot.:)

:bounce:

Is your photo guy going to post pics? I would love to see some!

Here are some videos of our runs at the race. We've never raced in anything like this and it was a blast! We were excited to finish 4th....ahead of Derek:flipoff2:

YouTube - CGYS Motorsports - MOROC Race Course #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFbvQS8vQQg)

YouTube - CGYS Motorsports - MOROC Race Course #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IitumUm6VE)

YouTube - CGYS Motorsports - MOROC Race Course #3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA5y8sMAjBQ)

YouTube - CGYS Motorsports - MOROC Race Course #4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1ugz78emfA)

Cody Keller and Justin Lawson 1:06, 1:19, 1:05, 1:01 = 4:31 4th
Joel Withers and Joseph Hines 1:15, 1:17, 1:08, 1:00, 4:40 = 4:40 5th


ok, if these are the times and below is the video of the corresponding runs, what gives???

the videos are shorter than the elapsed times in the posted finish list/result section....something's awry....

is my math bad????

first thing i noticed was that withers finished 1st in the first run, yet his time is slower than that of his competitor....not to mention, keller's posted time is 1:06 and he doesn't even finish the course until 1:19......(nothing against keller...jsut a discrepancy i noticed...)

see for yourself.........

Here are some videos of our runs at the race. We've never raced in anything like this and it was a blast! We were excited to finish 4th....ahead of Derek:flipoff2:

YouTube - CGYS Motorsports - MOROC Race Course #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFbvQS8vQQg)

YouTube - CGYS Motorsports - MOROC Race Course #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IitumUm6VE)

compare Joels time on course one to his course two and Joels course two to his course one. The times are goofed up though, i watched another video that the times dont agree with the recorded time.

Well...I was lookin at my watch the entire time i was driving and im 100% sure those times were right!:flipoff2: The main issue is that the guy(soonerzuk) that posted these actually labeled them wrong- the video that says course 3 was actually course 4... Im not arguing that there could be some discrepancy in the times-with the only consolation being that everyone had the same guys holding the stop watch...so maybe all the times were a little screwy...

ok sorry guys i screwed up labeling the videos. Course #1 was on the left as we entered the arena and Course #2 was on the right. Same thing with Course#3 being on the left and Course #4 being on the right. So therefore I have the videos labeled backwards. So Course #1 is actually Course #2 and vice versa. Same goes with #3 and #4. Does that make sense:flipoff2: The second video where we are going over the concrete hill, is actually two videos spliced together because my GF thought she wasn't recording and so she accidentally stopped recording and then immediately started recording again, so there's actually a couple seconds missing from the run. I hope this clears the air a little bit:smokin:

Well...I was lookin at my watch the entire time i was driving and im 100% sure those times were right!:flipoff2: The main issue is that the guy(soonerzuk) that posted these actually labeled them wrong- the video that says course 3 was actually course 4... Im not arguing that there could be some discrepancy in the times-with the only consolation being that everyone had the same guys holding the stop watch...so maybe all the times were a little screwy...



yea I got to looking and noticed that to...the labels line up with the lane we were running not you guys

I have gotten a chance to finally look at these today. In the video labeled Course 1, at 1:18 I am already past the finish line. So 1:15 could be correct, but I could have crossed before that too. Because at 1:14 I am already off of the shotcrete and the finish was just right there after coming off of it.

On the video labeled Course 2, looks like Cody had a 1:01 and I was 1:02. So those times do not fit anywhere. I was showing to have a 1:17 on that course, so that is 16 seconds off.

I have played the video backwards, and saw Michael Jackson
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q52/orange2thebone/michael-jackson-avoids-bankruptcy-8.jpg

I am not sure what's going on with the scoring issues. But, I have made the scorekeeper aware of the issue and he is looking into it!

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I have played the video backwards, and saw Michael Jackson
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q52/orange2thebone/michael-jackson-avoids-bankruptcy-8.jpg

That's awesome. :laughing:

Would have like to have ran the comp, but the rig is down right now.

How did you end up splitting that $4000 extra Nathan? That was exciting news.

How did the utvs do? I see that they hauled ass but what about carnage?

Ben (1st place) blew out both front tires in his nose dive jump, but was able to rob spares off the 4 wheeler to continue.

I questioned the officials about the times prior to the finals and got no where. watch the in-car video from Dereks run, his time was posted as a .47 plus the two min banner penalty, the video reflects a .52. My time was posted as a 1.07, 50% slower than any of my other runs. The video shows me finishing well ahead of Derek. :shaking:

I am not for sure but I am willing to bet, that when the judges were sending the scores over the the head time keeper, they might have writen them down wrong or got confused some how. Normally, the judges that are on that course will record your score on there sheets & then on our cards. This way we know what we have after every course. I am guessing that they thought it would be easier to do it the way they did, but now there in confusion at to what everyone has.
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I am not for sure but I am willing to bet, that when the judges were sending the scores over the the head time keeper, they might have writen them down wrong or got confused some how.

Yeah since they were using hand and smoke signals to convey the scores across the course I could see how they could get confused :shaking:

I do know that one of Ben Garrison's times and Erick Brock's times was reversed. We didn't make a big deal about it because both are on the same team and it would not have made a difference in placement.

I did notice the hand timers and if I hadn't taken out a banner in the OEM class, there could have a been a chance I would have been behind the next place by 0.01 seconds. Maybe a digital timer could be purchased with some of the entry fees in the future? With payouts getting larger, it will take out some of the "human error" that causes problems.

I am not complain, just adding constructive input! I love this series and will definately be coming back.

You are all winners in my book!























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You are all winners in my book!























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AT least they compete smartass, stay on the couch:flipoff2::flipoff2::laughing:

congrats Levi and Brian

AT least they compete smartass, stay on the couch:flipoff2::flipoff2::laughing:

congrats Levi and Brian


Yeah, that competing stuff looks like a ton of fun :shaking:

My couch sees WAY more action than these folks that drive...drive....drive.....run a few double :43 second laps and then drive, drive, drive home to spend 2 weeks bitching about how the promoter screwed them.

Screw that.

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How did you end up splitting that $4000 extra Nathan? That was exciting news.

This was an excellent question.

There were 32 teams total. So... we divided 32 from 4,000 =$125 per team. This was the best way so that the classes with the bigger competition got the bigger purses.

Worked for me!!

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That's the point of blown tires :D

Yeah since they were using hand and smoke signals to convey the scores across the course I could see how they could get confused :shaking:

I was not confused with the times I got. I signaled Chuck what the times for my lane were and he recorded them. I don't know where things got crossed up but the times were right, maybe they just weren't written down correctly.

I know what you mean with blowing out front tires. Ive been through a set of tires, 2 sets of front wheels, on my 2nd set of hubs (now have fastec so they should break again), both front axles, 3rd sprag carrier and thats just the front end. I should have just came up and ran it in 2 wheel peel I missed out on a badass time.

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Sorry it's taken soo long to reply back on this issue, but we wanted to make sure our judgements were accurate because this is potentially a very serious issue.

I have gone over the issue with the score keeper many times over the last few days trying to figure out what could have gone wrong. There were some mistakes involving the new staging rule and those times have been modified.
http://www.morocracing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=157
The judges didn't realize the staging penalty of 10 seconds is added to all totals including max time. That way, teams are penalized for being a no show to the course. These errors did not change any outcomes.

Brian Shirley, your times are correct. You did beat Derek West 3 of 4 times, but it shows you beat him 4 times due to a banner penalty. All teams must remember, if you start in lane 1, the other team is in lane 2 and the times are recorded as such.

Brian...
You finished course 1 with a time of 0:47 and Derek finished course 2 in 0:56. You won.
You finished course 2 with a time of 0:45 and Derek finished course 1 in 0:46. You won.
You finished course 3 with a time of 0:44 and Derek finished course 4 in 0:51. You won.
You finished course 4 with a time of 1:07 and Derek finished course 3 in 0:47 plus a 2-min banner penalty (2:47). Sooo, you won.

There was a time mistake of 10-seconds on the behalf of Joel Withers. YouTube - CGYS Motorsports - MOROC Race Course #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IitumUm6VE)
Unfortunately, the time mistake cost him 4th place (instead of 5th place...what he got). If the issue was brought up during the event, we could have corrected the mistake then, but according to our rules, video playback does not change the outcome of the event. Especially after the fact. I am confident the hand signal method failed causing this problem. Our problem was that our comm radios were not working and staff had a huge problem hearing. The judges were within walking distance though. We will take preventative measures to make sure this doesn't happen again, ei. no more hand signals/direct communication.

The videos on you tube were for the most part labelled wrong. I went through with a stop watch on each run and they were all relitively correct except the one mentioned above.

I am sorry there was issues involving scorekeeping. The score keeper apologizes also. Our official scorecards are being tweeked for hannibal next weekend so they are easier to read and easier to understand.

unprofessional reply above. Their were issues obviously and some were ignored when brought up, and others were just replied to completely unprofessionally. Hey here's an idea, lets pick and choose depending on the competitor or the team, Thats what it seems like happened to me. Nobody is or was looking for an outcome change, the results are what they are. People are and were just trying to help point out flaws so that hopefully it wouldn't happen again to others. The score cards only work as well as the ink applied to them by the way.

My previous response was in relation to this response among others relating to the scoring issues.

I questioned the officials about the times prior to the finals and got no where. watch the in-car video from Dereks run, his time was posted as a .47 plus the two min banner penalty, the video reflects a .52. My time was posted as a 1.07, 50% slower than any of my other runs. The video shows me finishing well ahead of Derek. :shaking:

I have read and reread my above post and have found nothing related to pointing fingures or being unprofessional. My point was to solve any scoring related issues in a timely mannor. I take all team related issues seriously and was clarifying conflicting scoring issues. If anyone misunderstood what I wrote, sorry.

If anyone has issues further, call me. 314-974-5337. I always have open ears.

You guys didn't know all the major sanctioning bodies use a stopwatch and you tube to solve scoring issues...? What about that isnt professional? I mean-you can't alter video speed at all, and everyone has their stopwatches calibrated by the same guy, right?
My vote is for showing up to the event and racing as usual... Each participant has to have one member of his/her crew film every run... We all shake hands and go home... After each video is posted to you tube or other approved host, the "organizer" of the event will time each lap and post the results to Pirate4x4.com... This would keep us from having to worry about judges, time slips, stopwatchs, and human error... What a concept!!!
No matter what the event, there will always be some scoring issues and people complaining... I know that each and every competitor here has been "screwed" at an event by what they thought was a bad call or a percieved timing error... It happens...

First, let me say that the courses were fun and we had fun running them. That is about the nicest thing that i'm gonna say. As far as the times. They were all screwed up. I took my timer out of my jeep and timed a few runs myself, compared them to the official scorekeeper. Some were close, but most were not. My main concern, was the favortism shown to some of the teams that tore the banner and did not get penalized. I had to personally contact an official on 2 different runs. One of the times got changed, but not until I went back a second time and had to remind the official about the prior incident. When I did he gave me a blank stare, and acted as if that was the first time we talked about it. On the second run, I contacted the official he told me that he was the one that broke the banner, so that he could retie it. I asked him if it was tied to the pylon, he said "yes." I replied " if it was tied to the pylon, and your picking the pylon up and retying the banner back to it, then how the hell was it not torn." I mean if you have to retie it to the pylon then it was broken. I was given full time when I tore the banner. Moving on. We were all tired and it was a long day. We knew were out of the money, so we left. I signed up Daniel Stricklin, a friend of mine. He finished 3rd in our class. Congrats to him. Anyway, he stayed to collect his winnings. There was a vote for best of the oem class. I was told that I won. Daniel tried to collect my trophy. They refused to give it to him and took a second vote. You guys gave my trophy to the second place favorite. (nothing against Judd. he drove his ass off too). What the hell is that all about? How the hell do you win a trophy and not even get it. Like I said before, we had fun running the courses, but everything else seemed to be shady at best. I think you need more impartial judges, more judges in general, and some type of accurate timing system. When you advertise an event that attracts major talent, you better have your sh*t together.

Awesome footage. It looked awesome outside the car too. I hate that you hit the banner. I LOVE the commentary after the race!

OK I am not trying to change any results! Im just saying that the times were wrong and I tried pointing them out to both Nathan and his Dad prior to our final run. Nothing was looked into at that time, as birthday cake was more important. I am only offering this video as proof that the times were wrong, record shows that Derek ran a :47 run with a 2 min penalty for breaking a banner, video shows he ran a :52 sec run... bigger yet it shows me finishing at least 5 sec ahead of Derek, but yet record show that I ran a 1:07, 25 sec slower than Derek. I dont see how Nathan can say he worked hard on making sure the times were accurate whaen there is visual proof that he himself posted. Again I'm not trying to change any results, just wondering how many other times were goofed up. I encourage everyone to watch the video and see for yourself. Derek did finish ahead of me or second match when I was on lane two and he was in lane one, again the recorded times dont reflect that. Derek and I have great races when paired together and will scrap till the end,he is a great competitor. Ive been told "never argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level then beat you with experiance". Good luck to all, I've put the info out there for all to see. Bye, I'm done.

Looks like the video didnt come with the quote. Its on page 4 half way down the page on this thread.

You guys didn't know all the major sanctioning bodies use a stopwatch and you tube to solve scoring issues...? What about that isnt professional? I mean-you can't alter video speed at all, and everyone has their stopwatches calibrated by the same guy, right?
My vote is for showing up to the event and racing as usual... Each participant has to have one member of his/her crew film every run... We all shake hands and go home... After each video is posted to you tube or other approved host, the "organizer" of the event will time each lap and post the results to Pirate4x4.com... This would keep us from having to worry about judges, time slips, stopwatchs, and human error... What a concept!!!
No matter what the event, there will always be some scoring issues and people complaining... I know that each and every competitor here has been "screwed" at an event by what they thought was a bad call or a percieved timing error... It happens...

I am not sure what point you are trying to make here, but facts are facts. Looks like Brian and I are not the only one's that feel the times were incorrect. Had we not spoken up I guess no one would have. Don't worry, I am not worried about taking your 4th place away. I just wanted to point out what was an obvious error, and Nathan has acknowledged the error and I know where my finishing position was.

Running side by side under a stop watch is a different animal from dodging cones, a lot of things can go wrong when it comes down to scoring. I think all parties agree that it can be improved upon. There were a lot of competitors in the event and a lot of times to keep up with. But as competitors when we spend our money to attend an event all we ask is we get the correct times.

It was just a comment... I felt like i was slower than you all day, Joel, but i had no idea what to expect and was excited i didn't kill myself and my co-driver, considering i'd never raced the car at all... 5th with the caliber of talent that was there would have been fine for me and im sorry you were slighted on your time... I was just saying that it happens... Sometimes in your favor...Sometimes not... I look forward to competing against you in the future and the last thing i want is hard feelings...

It is cool Cody, you did a great job for your first go fast event. You pushed me all day to stay on the pedal on the right. I am sure we will race again in the future.

Before I look and time that video once again, I want to thank all the teams who replied with their constructive criticism.

We have been working on the score sheets and considering ideas on how to improve the process and I believe we have it nailed. The side by side scoring process is still relatively new to us and unfortunately we were not preppared for the last event. These issues have been solved for all future events. There will be 4 judges with stop watches, 2 on each course (for accuracy). One finishing judge on each course will also be noteing times, and calling times into the official scorekeeper and announcer. That way, the scoreboard will be constantly updated! In addition: Teams can track their own times after each run, but we will not track you down. Stop at the finish line to get your official time. That way, the ball is in your court. If you see a mistake, we can correct it on the spot!

I had 3 regular judges not show up to work the race, these guys were the ones I was counting on being the starters and finishers. None of these guys showed to work the event. I was paying them all expenses. I do apprieciate the volunteer judges efforts, all of them were first timers.

I'm sorry if teams feel there was favoritism. The Judge putting the times on paper is not one who would goof times on purpose or show favoritism for his friends. Chuck came as a spectator and offered to help because that is the kind of guy he is. He was not thrilled about the job we gave him, but I do believe he did the best he could as a new judge. I admit the score sheets were confusing.

One team came to me with scoring issues. I looked into the issue with my father, the scorekeeper, and he said he had already discussed the issue with the team and the issue had been resolved. At the beginning of this year I delegated the responsibility of all scoring related issues, scoring proceedures, etc, etc to the official scorekeeper. Now that there has been issues, I have stepped in momentarily to help correct the problem to make sure it's not a reoccuring issue.

Cake is very important. I love cake. That's why I look like a b :flipoff2: Cake didn't take precidence over the issue, but we put on a show and intermission had a scheduled event: the presentation of cake to our 40 year old Friend, Darius Melton. Aside from being a friend, a race team member of 3 vehicles, he is also the #1 person who brought MOROC back to Hot Springs and into our first indoor race. He was the biggest sponsor of the event, and honestly, the biggest sponsor MOROC has ever had.


Also, occasionally the difiliators got hit, knocking them out of their rubber bases without breaking the pennants. In order to stand the difiliators back up, we had to untie and retie the pennants. I saw this happen several times during this race. I too fixed them several times. Could that be the banner penalties unrecognized, I sincerely hope so. If you see judge mistakes in other events, do you not seek the marshal. I was around the track or nearby all night.

OK I am not trying to change any results! Im just saying that the times were wrong and I tried pointing them out to both Nathan and his Dad prior to our final run. Nothing was looked into at that time, as birthday cake was more important. I am only offering this video as proof that the times were wrong, record shows that Derek ran a :47 run with a 2 min penalty for breaking a banner, video shows he ran a :52 sec run... bigger yet it shows me finishing at least 5 sec ahead of Derek, but yet record show that I ran a 1:07, 25 sec slower than Derek. I dont see how Nathan can say he worked hard on making sure the times were accurate whaen there is visual proof that he himself posted. Again I'm not trying to change any results, just wondering how many other times were goofed up. I encourage everyone to watch the video and see for yourself. Derek did finish ahead of me or second match when I was on lane two and he was in lane one, again the recorded times dont reflect that. Derek and I have great races when paired together and will scrap till the end,he is a great competitor. Ive been told "never argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level then beat you with experiance". Good luck to all, I've put the info out there for all to see. Bye, I'm done.

I appologize. You are half right. There were major scoring issues, ones I didn't realize until just now.

In the video of Dereks run posted on page 4. Brian, you were in lane 3, Derek was in lane 4. Your time was posted as: 0:44. Derek's time without the banner penalty was 0:51. But the problem is, the 2-Min Penalty was added to Dereks lane 3 time. I almost don't want to know how many other related issues there were.

Again, I state the scorecards were very confusing, and I am sorry that teams experianced this lack of event unprofessionalism. Most teams were new to MOROC or returning from a long abstance. I hope you will all give us another chance and recognize that we are all human. The key is to learn from our mistakes. We work hard to make sure we don't make the same mistakes twice.

All that being said....Nathan, you and your family and friends put on a great event! Growing has it pains and I am sure it will be better next time!! When are we going back???? :D

THANK YOU!!!!

The way i look at it is ya there are going to be mistakes but hey we all learn from mistakes ok. So lets get over and get on with something else like when is the next one Nathan..


THE WAY WE SEE IT IS " IF YOU CAN'T HANG WITH THE BIG DOGS SIT ON THE PORCH." :flipoff2: