Well I've been on pirate and have had several brands of 4x4, but I've the IH thread has really got me interested in Binders. So, i decided to take the plunge and I bought a 1980 scout II. It has the 304 V8, and four speed Man transmission. I've been trying to do some research on the trans and T-case but haven't had much luck.

Am I correct in thinking that it is a T-18 four speed with a Dana 20 T-case?

Well I've been on pirate and have had several brands of 4x4, but I've the IH thread has really got me interested in Binders. So, i decided to take the plunge and I bought a 1980 scout II. It has the 304 V8, and four speed Man transmission. I've been trying to do some research on the trans and T-case but haven't had much luck.

Am I correct in thinking that it is a T-18 four speed with a Dana 20 T-case?

Welcome to the mysterious world of IH's. I don't know just why, but there isn't really any information posted on the web on just what components were put in them. I think there are a few reasons for this. First of all IH didn't publish any information on what drivetrains they used, and they didn't keep any records. 2nd of all they used a variety of components from different manufacturers. Just on this IH board you will find scouts with Chevy motors, Ford , Cummins, Cadillac, Mopars, and who knows what else. I think your 304 may be from a AMC, and if thats the case Edlebrock makes a replacment intake and headers.

well I know the 304 is a IH 304. I dont know if thats good thing or bad thing? It only has 80,000 on the odom and runs strong. I have been looking high and low for info but your right, it seems like there are a ton of options. The reason im trying to figure out what T-case i have is that I wondering on how strong it is and will I need to replace it when I put the one tons and 43"s under it?

well I know the 304 is a IH 304. I dont know if thats good thing or bad thing? It only has 80,000 on the odom and runs strong. I have been looking high and low for info but your right, it seems like there are a ton of options. The reason im trying to figure out what T-case i have is that I wondering on how strong it is and will I need to replace it when I put the one tons and 43"s under it?

If you are putting 1 tons and 43's you'll need to replace everything.

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Well I've been on pirate and have had several brands of 4x4, but I've the IH thread has really got me interested in Binders. So, i decided to take the plunge and I bought a 1980 scout II. It has the 304 V8, and four speed Man transmission. I've been trying to do some research on the trans and T-case but haven't had much luck.

Am I correct in thinking that it is a T-18 four speed with a Dana 20 T-case?

By chance did your parents happen to meet at a family reunion?

My Scout came with a Caddy 472 in it and a TH400, mated to a Dana 20 t-case.

It also came with a truck width Dana 60 in the rear...along with a full width Dana 44 in the front.

Who knows what your truck came with :eek:

Hows the 20 for strength?

Hows the 20 for strength?



If you lay down on a bench with a close grip it would be great for your triceps. I recommend 3 sets of 10 reps each for a basic strength program. If your looking for more endurance take the guts out of it and do sets of 15 to 20

LOL.

If you still have the glovebox door and the line ticket is still attached, it will tell you what it was equiped with.

LOL.

If you still have the glovebox door and the line ticket is still attached, it will tell you what it was equiped with.

Fix'd. Have to point out the key word:)

Good call ChiScouter, but it seems like id get better results if I went with the 205/203 doubler with a wide grip on the flat bench, ,,,, just saying.


thanks chandall, thats good info. Ill check that out.

Good call ChiScouter, but it seems like id get better results if I went with the 205/203 doubler with a wide grip on the flat bench, ,,,, just saying.


thanks chandall, thats good info. Ill check that out.

men vs. boys

Am I correct in thinking that it is a T-18 four speed with a Dana 20 T-case?

You are half correct.

You are half correct.

half of two times all wrong actually.

Wow, slow roast:D

These guys are getting soft or somethin(subtle?), an 80 SII should have HAD a t-19 and a Dana 300. If you had done any significant research!

43's is a BIG goal for a usefull scout, how much time and money you got for this?? Planning on bolting one tons to the stock leafs??

And how are you gonna turn 43's with a 304?????:shaking: If (i'm Assuming) your new to BIG WHEELs games ,take note of the caddy and rat motors pushin doublers in many of the hardcore rigs here!

Is a canaminal some sort of new Animal Cracker? :confused:

Is a canaminal some sort of new Animal Cracker? :confused:



:laughing: 1/3 rite





26yrs w/binders 28"&196-38"&427 settled in the middle w/392(403ish)/700r4/d300/d60 SII, yep NEW


Animal part fits:D



Could have something to do with that box of GNCC&HARE SCRAMBLES trophies on an ASE406 (thats a CANAM) and no it ain't Japaneese

if you're replacing everything, the dana 300 is relatively desireable and could get some money for your build.

The OP isn't going to replace anything. He claims that he has owned a number of 4x4's and has been reading pirate and the IH board yet he has 3 posts and doesn't know how strong a Dana 20 is or if he even has one. He throws out stuff like 43 inch tires and 203/205 doubler because he saw something about them on cable TV or a magazine. If he had read ANYTHING on this board or done a google search on 1980 scout he would have not asked such a stupid question.

My .02 is that the binderplanet is getting a lot less traffic now than it used to and when idiots do a google search they don't go far enough down the page to find it. By giving guys like this good information we just encourage them to stay around, ask more stupid questions, and dumb the board down further.

Ok, lets clarify some things. I have owned only full size pick-ups, Ford Bronco, Ford-150 and the last one a 1979 chevy one ton. The fords were mud trucks with C6s and 208s. the chevy I built from the bottom up also as a mud / trail truck. However, my over all knowledge of strength of parts outside of this is limited. My world has revolved around np205s, one tons and boggers. I now have decided to delve into making something more than a mud truck, a capable trail rig. My goal for the scout is to be a street able trail rig that I can take my family of four down to the trails on the weekends. I have had my share of fun with a designated trailered mud truck and now want to move on.

Yes I know that 43" is a large tire but I like the new SX, no I do not plan on retaining the stock leaf springs.

Long term plans are links and coilovers. But why talk about that now, that is many stages down the road.

I have been watching builds and reading post here for a while now, and one thing always holds true, a simple question cannot be simply answered.

Wow, slow roast:D

These guys are getting soft or somethin(subtle?), an 80 SII should have HAD a t-19 and a Dana 300. If you had done any significant research!

43's is a BIG goal for a usefull scout, how much time and money you got for this?? Planning on bolting one tons to the stock leafs??

And how are you gonna turn 43's with a 304?????:shaking: If (i'm Assuming) your new to BIG WHEELs games ,take note of the caddy and rat motors pushin doublers in many of the hardcore rigs here!

You sir, are an idiot by passing on wrong information and thinking you are correct. For the 58935893539843498493 time, ALL 1980 scouts did not come with the D300. Actually, the majority came with the D20, and IIRC the D300 was only behind the SD33T. Good try though:flipoff2:

And a 304 will turn 43's, if you put the work Tom did into his into it. Just gotta rev the fawker and gear it right.

And how are you gonna turn 43's with a 304?????:shaking: If (i'm Assuming) your new to BIG WHEELs games ,take note of the caddy and rat motors pushin doublers in many of the hardcore rigs here!

Huh? A 152, 196, and 258 will push 40+ tires all day long with the right gears. Can't remember seeing a big block out-perform a 4-banger or straight 6 in the rocks very often. But I don't get out of my driveway very much.

If you have to ask, you shouldn't do it.

well, im going to have to say my bad on this one. I just found the Novac web site and a transfer case spotters guide. jumped the gun coming on here lol

Wouldnt the 80 Scout have a Dana 300?

Wouldnt the 80 Scout have a Dana 300?

no:shaking:

no its a 20. got some pics of the 20 and 300 and slid under the thing to ID it. I just picked up the scout today, let the wrenching begin.

no its a 20. got some pics of the 20 and 300 and slid under the thing to ID it. I just picked up the scout today, let the wrenching begin.

Don't forget the Sawsall

no its a 20. got some pics of the 20 and 300 and slid under the thing to ID it. I just picked up the scout today, let the wrenching begin.

enough BS show your pics or it didn't happen.

Wouldnt the 80 Scout have a Dana 300?

Alot of people make this mistake (like I did a few times).
Like Budget said, the 300 only came behind the Diesel in 1980

no its a 20. got some pics of the 20 and 300 and slid under the thing to ID it. I just picked up the scout today, let the wrenching begin.

Pics or GTFO!

Alot of people make this mistake (like I did a few times).
Like Budget said, the 300 only came behind the Diesel in 1980

Gawd damn.... if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, keep your mouth shut. 300's also came behind 196/T19 & 345/T19 models as well.... and probably others. :shaking:

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab169/shooter83/002.jpg

first try at a pic in a while

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab169/shooter83/005.jpg

Looks really clean.... but man, that's a fagtacular paint job. :rainbow: :flipoff2:

Gawd damn.... if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, keep your mouth shut. 300's also came behind 196/T19 & 345/T19 models as well.... and probably others. :shaking:

How about a correction without the vomit. :barf: There have always been differing oppinions about the scout 300 on this thread, this site, as well as all over the internet. I care about having the right info, but sometimes what I think is right is wrong. Not the end of the world.

" Mechanos Looks really clean.... but man, that's a fagtacular paint job. "

your not kidding about the paint! the seats even match! but its a clean rig with only a bit of rust.

Can't remember seeing a big block out-perform a 4-banger or straight 6 in the rocks very often. But I don't get out of my driveway very much.

Echo Johnny Foxtrot...

Gears only get you so far my man (my opinion). Even with high 5.xx or 6.xx gearing, I would not want, or ever want to rely on a 4 popper for grunt or power.

OP...

Scout looks like a nice clean ride...just perfect for slashing and dashing it up. A good clean, un-molested, solid core of a truck is the best starting place. Without that foundation you will be spending mucho time fucking around trying to get it to be "reliable".

Very 80's. If that is as clean as it looks, I wouldn't cut it up. It's hard to find a rust free body nowadays.

its not rust free, but its close. It has some surface rust in a few spots, the inside bottom of the door and a few spots on the under side of the rocker panels. but over all not bad. Before I start I need to get my hands on a 60 and 14bolt. I just sold my last 14bolt and 60 parts that i had sitting around. piss poor planning on my part. I wasnt expecting to get another rig so soon.

wife said i need to do something about the paint or it cant sit in front of our house. Gotta love her, she doesnt mind a chevy on bogger, no doors and a flat bed sitting out front but she cant deal with the 80s paint on this thing.

Echo Johnny Foxtrot...

Gears only get you so far my man (my opinion). Even with high 5.xx or 6.xx gearing, I would not want, or ever want to rely on a 4 popper for grunt or power.


Power vs gears I'm sure could be debated for days. The comment was about having to run a caddy or chevy to turn 40's, which isn't the case. If you want to spin your 40's then yea a bigger motor is required, but to be "hardcore" having a bigger motor isn't a requirment (my opinion).

its not rust free, but its close. It has some surface rust in a few spots, the inside bottom of the door and a few spots on the under side of the rocker panels. but over all not bad. Before I start I need to get my hands on a 60 and 14bolt. I just sold my last 14bolt and 60 parts that i had sitting around. piss poor planning on my part. I wasnt expecting to get another rig so soon.

wife said i need to do something about the paint or it cant sit in front of our house. Gotta love her, she doesnt mind a chevy on bogger, no doors and a flat bed sitting out front but she cant deal with the 80s paint on this thing.

Do you live in a HOA? :laughing:

Power vs gears I'm sure could be debated for days. The comment was about having to run a caddy or chevy to turn 40's, which isn't the case. If you want to spin your 40's then yea a bigger motor is required, but to be "hardcore" having a bigger motor isn't a requirment (my opinion).

Ohhh gotcha...

You are right, you don't NEEEEEEDDDDD a big motor, but it sure is nice :homer:

I wish I had some gears...:(

Ohhh gotcha...

You are right, you don't NEEEEEEDDDDD a big motor, but it sure is nice :homer:

I wish I had some gears...:(

Yup. I need more gears too. Scout runs good, but I can run 55 in 2nd gear with 4.10s and 37"'s (36") :homer:

I really want/need 5.12s, but probably won't happen this year unless I get lucky.

Gawd damn.... if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, keep your mouth shut. 300's also came behind 196/T19 & 345/T19 models as well.... and probably others. :shaking:

I assumed they were noob raping.

yea, my 345 t19w1980 sII has a 300. verified.

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab169/shooter83/005.jpg

Thats a clean rig, Is that an eight track in the dash? :D and if you just wait one more year or so , that paint may be back in. thirty year rule

On the expensive side at least put a 392 or a 401 in there, you'll thank yourself later. don't use terra gears they are crap figure out a way to put jb conversions 4:1 gears in there and a jeep dana 300 if you even want to go that route, the scout 300 is worth too much tio the other half of the planet let them keep the terrablow gears and upgrade to something with some strength. maybe slide a klune or a 203/205 doubler combo maybe with a set of 3:1 gears in the np205 in there to give yourself some variety in gear ratios find a dodge 1 ton from the 80's. the crewcab shortbeds are a good spot to start throw a set of 5.38's and some detroits in there and go.

my choice would be some 39's or 38.5's with dana 60 f and a dodge dana 70 rear detroit rear and a ARB front probably running 4.88's or 4.56's. id run a built IH 392 as my first choice but if pieces and parts where hard to combine for the tranny/t-case combo id change up to a amc401 / jeep bellhousing/ NP435 or T18 with 23 spline output then id find a dodge np203 and marry it to a dodge np205 that i probably aquired with the axles and truck.

To really have fun id go all mopus 440/ NP435/203/205 with set of jb conversions 3:1 gears on top of a set of axles...............


but if you want to be :rainbow: keep the poor little popper motor in there and pretend to be a toyota. all you'll need then is 4 transfer cases and 6 different low ranges and in then end you'll still have no wheel speed when you need it


realistically run the 304 it has plenty of poop to get you started. set the rig up get it reliable and then phase in different upgrades.

ie my jeep had a tired 360 running on 7 cylinders a t18 and a d300 with a 3" lift ARB's front and rear and 33's when i got it. out the gate i focused on adding on board air, fixing the carb and getting the rig to run half decent, including making some home brew leaf springs to get throught he year. first year after that i upgraded the motor to a slgihtly less tired 401 and a fuel only TBI system at the same time i collected a set of D44 axles some high steer stuff and steering box braces ect. then the next year i dealt with the t-case upgraded it to 4:1 and 32 spline outputs. following year i upgraded to better leaf springs, outboarded my spring perches moved the suspension around to lengthen my wheel base and isntalled larger axles. Next year some larger used tires wheels, next year a freshened up 401....... Then comes alloy shafts and CTMs


If it were me thats how id do it:
Run the 304 for a couple years get everything reliable, then id layout a strategy to keep myself on the trail while making your upgrades. im not a big fan of the all at once approach keeps my rig parked in one spot for too long.

I assumed they were noob raping.

yea, my 345 t19w1980 sII has a 300. verified.

Does your line ticket show you having the 300? Just curious. I guess I'm more of a noob than I thought :smokin: Id like to know the link where you guys found the 300 info.

Does your line ticket show you having the 300? Just curious. I guess I'm more of a noob than I thought :smokin: Id like to know the link where you guys found the 300 info.

My brother owned an '80 with a 345, T19w, and D300. My '80 had a 196, T19c, and D300 when I bought it. Believe it or not, there is some shit in life that is learned through actual physical experience and is not always "found on the net".

I bought a 1980 scout II. It has the 304 V8, and four speed Man transmission.

Run good oil (Rotella or Delo 30 wt. Or Valvoline VR1 Racing oil) and a qt over full on the dipstick. The 304 is used by Tom in his race truck as it spins up faster than the 345 or 396. The other motors have more seat of the pants pull, but not needed to have fun.

HOS has is right, get it running and drive it and fix stuff so its a reliable runner or you will have yard art.

I vote texas 300:flipoff2:

no its a 20. got some pics of the 20 and 300 and slid under the thing to ID it. I just picked up the scout today, let the wrenching begin.

I vote texas 300:flipoff2:

I vote you're a dumbass who doesn't read through a thread before spouting off :flipoff2:

the plan is to take this thing in stages. I dont know what engine, trans, I want to use. I do know that I would like to get a atlas. In the past I have tried to do all the work on a rig at one time and Im left with a bunch of parts that is just sitting in the garage that I spend more time wrenching on then driving. It runs great and drives great, so for now Im going to start by getting my axles and building them right. Im also going to look into diffrent leaf spring options that will lengthen the wheel base and get all the part for a Spring over. I would love to just rip this thing apart and make it my dream rig, but money and time will keep me from going crazy, for now.

Does your line ticket show you having the 300? Just curious. I guess I'm more of a noob than I thought :smokin: Id like to know the link where you guys found the 300 info.

The speedo cable comes off the passenger side on the 300, not so with the 20. That is the easiest way to identify the 300.

http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/model_300.htm

Sounds like you got a basic plan. If you can't wheel it you will lose interest.
You can run an Atlas, but will need to put the 727 auto behind the 304 with a Jeep tail housing off a 727 from a Wagoneer or Dodge 727, both have the 6 bolt round pattern. This is what I did.

Sand it down, and paint it so the your wife will like it.

Just realize there are only a couple dealers that have "kit" parts for these.
So a lot of time can be spent figuring out and making stuff. So you really need to like fabbing stuff. Don't mean to sound like a purest, but switching engines means you need the whole drive train and radiator. So it would be faster to just make the donor into a wheeler. But some are looking for a one of a kind truck. Look at Brandon's 4+ year buildup, he is hoping to move it under it's own power soon. link here (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326219)

fabing stuff is the best part of a build. I dont want a rig that you could just throw a lift from a magazine under it. The goal for this year is paint, new leafs, axles and 39s, and to wheel the dog crap out of it. Ill feel much better once i get the first good dent in it. I dont think I have ever started with a rig so clean, so I need to get that out of the way so I wont feel so bad about cutting the fenders. lol

wheel the dog crap out of it. Ill feel much better once i get the first good dent in it. I dont think I have ever started with a rig so clean, so I need to get that out of the way so I wont feel so bad about cutting the fenders. lol

If it's as clean as you're saying, sell it to somebody who wants a restorable rig. If you're looking for a beater, there are plenty of Scouts with trashed bodies out there but are still solid starting points. Just a suggestion No debate required :homer:

My brother owned an '80 with a 345, T19w, and D300. My '80 had a 196, T19c, and D300 when I bought it. Believe it or not, there is some shit in life that is learned through actual physical experience and is not always "found on the net".

Im better informed now....and from the net too...:p