One vote for a sticky:)

While on the trail this weekend , I observed some of the most inconsiderate behavior I have seen this season. Rather than verbally throwing up and picking on those less educated and observant, I believe that some education is in order.....



Wheeling the Rubicon FOR DUMMIES:D

1) if you are attempting an obstacle and your multiple (or 20 plus) attempts at the soup kitchen fail , how about letting the 5+ rigs blocked from the west, and the 4-5 rigs headed west, get by.:laughing:
Unlike this person , I moved out of the way after my 2nd attempt because traffic was backing up. I then moseyed on up the soup bowl and out of the way.
If I ask you to kindly to finish your ride height adjustment ON THE SIDE of the trail , so that the 17 vehicles behind you can proceed, don't call me an A-hole for suggesting a better place to work on your truck......(rant off)

in other words, be considerate of others....it's not all about you.

Scott, if you can put this in better words , please do so.
Sloyoter, if you would like to chime in on this , you were witness to these events with me this weekend.

That is why I choose to run Jess's large shafts, chormo's, and a bunch of HP. You say "excuse me" twice, then pin it.

Unless you break, like twelve tie rod ends in the box then you must wait for the big blue rock to put #13 on and move:laughing:. Keith you better get that thing done soon so you can wheel the box before it becomes gravel, for subaru parking:(

yea,, there have been a few folks who are on this board alot who could learn some serious manners.. Some think they own the trail.. I remember once about 6 or 7 years ago one such person broke a 44 ujoint an stub in the box in their toyota pickup.. They were in a spot where they could have been winched out quickly.. some even offered.. But instead they decided they should take 1.5 hrs to fix it right there while about 10 rigs piled up waiting.. I just left since I was allready through.. I don't know if I could keep my cool if i would have been behind them..

One vote for a sticky:)

While on the trail this weekend , I observed some of the most inconsiderate behavior I have seen this season. Rather than verbally throwing up and picking on those less educated and observant, I believe that some education is in order.....



Wheeling the Rubicon FOR DUMMIES:D

1) if you are attempting an obstacle and your multiple (or 20 plus) attempts at the soup kitchen fail , how about letting the 5+ rigs blocked from the west, and the 4-5 rigs headed west, get by.:laughing:
Unlike this person , I moved out of the way after my 2nd attempt because traffic was backing up. I then moseyed on up the soup bowl and out of the way.
If I ask you to kindly to finish your ride height adjustment ON THE SIDE of the trail , so that the 17 vehicles behind you can proceed, don't call me an A-hole for suggesting a better place to work on your truck......(rant off)

in other words, be considerate of others....it's not all about you.

Scott, if you can put this in better words , please do so.
Sloyoter, if you would like to chime in on this , you were witness to these events with me this weekend.

Josh, I think you said it perfectly and I agree 100%.

Well, having been witness to Roksamy's observations I will concur.
To elaborate, I don't drive anything fancy. I do my business and get out of the way. I did find it amusing that the folk in question were indignant at being given advice. I can wheel in on 33's, a minor lift and rocksliders, if you wanna get by I'll make room. I have suggested, as Roksamy has to some how to approach a situation. If you don't listen then I will walk away. you can bear the burden of others Ire. I have listen to others and learned a hell of alot!
That being said, we did encounter a few who were receptive and actually thankful for assistance.
I think it adds up to common courtesy. Josh was politely offering friendly advice it was taken wrong. then ignored.
Anyhow..you get the point.
Most of us know trail etiquette, If you don't and somebody suggest it, pay heed. Some weekends are a touch busy.

Soapbox off.
Cheers all

My own rule of thumb for myself is West to East right of way on Friday and Saturday;East to West right away on Sunday. Saves for some major headaches.

Remember I yielded to you guys on Saturday


The only other thing I ask is if you are running in a large group (4+) then yield to those of us who fly solo. Thanks

The only other thing I ask is if you are running in a large group (4+) then yield to those of us who fly solo.

Amen to this - some of the groups going through think they own the place!! Large groups are a blast, but a little consideration for other trail users would really be apprecated.

or how about the groups that stop for lunch ON THE TRAIL and take their easy darn time doing it? Came upon a group from __X__ club at the bridge below walker. parked on trail, tables set up and all the chairs, kids and dogs running amok. We walked ahead to see if room to skirt by and got the attitude stares and better than thou reaction. No way around and rigs all over the place. We made it clerar we needed to keep rolling and the reaaction was -- so what? Suggested uncoolness of blocking the trail and that actually made them eat slower. After 45 minutes they slowly packed up and gently creeped fwd. I won;t say their affiliation unless u PM me, but we concluded it was rude. Another sad example of the me first attitude and y'all behind can just wait.

Cooler heads prevailed, but still, this day and age w/ the built rigs-- they should know better....

and these were not kids, average age about 35.

mb

Just say who it was. :D

or how about the groups that stop for lunch ON THE TRAIL and take their easy darn time doing it? Came upon a group from __X__ club at the bridge below walker. parked on trail, tables set up and all the chairs, kids and dogs running amok. We walked ahead to see if room to skirt by and got the attitude stares and better than thou reaction. No way around and rigs all over the place. We made it clerar we needed to keep rolling and the reaaction was -- so what? Suggested uncoolness of blocking the trail and that actually made them eat slower. After 45 minutes they slowly packed up and gently creeped fwd. I won;t say their affiliation unless u PM me, but we concluded it was rude. Another sad example of the me first attitude and y'all behind can just wait.

Cooler heads prevailed, but still, this day and age w/ the built rigs-- they should know better....

and these were not kids, average age about 35.

mb

Holy big huevos, I didn't think that could happen anymore.

Where do all these n00bs come from?:D

I have an idea that I'm sure someone else has already though of it, because that's how it works around 'round,'round here...

Who is the most likely person to have contact with new users?

Who is the person who repairs/ builds rigs for the Rubicon and other trails?

Vendors! Shop Owners! Fab Shops! Mechanics!

Everyone has to do something at a shop, or buy and ship a part, or has a customer service line.

Why do we keep going round and round and round about not being able to reach everybody when everybody buys parts, or has a rig built?

RTF/FOTR needs a Vendor Program :D

If you buy a part, have some work done at one of the shops, you should sign a 'use agreement'. Ok it may be formal, but who seriously has the new users undivided attention?

Mark up a specific product and include a membership to BRC or Cal4WD?

Add a Tread lightly pamphlet on responsible 4 wheeling.

Just some thoughts, I know it's more work, but would we rather do that than have no work at all?

I'm not a local and I don't want to "get into it" with anyone......but this subject does interest me.

We have a trip planned to head down there and run the 'Con. And I've thought about meeting/passing people on the trail while we are there. (we travel faster than most)

It seems that with 50 feet of trail corridor (unless there is a tree/forest/hill/impassable rock) passing another small group would be easy. :confused: Would it not? I'm honestly asking.:)

And for argument sake: if after you determine the group or individual is not responsive to reason......Wouldn't you just make up a "we need to get by to rescue a broke rig (etc.)" story; to show your need to get by? I've done this MANY TIMES before and never been rejected by the previous unwilling party. Maybe it's just my personality?

I know, I know.....you want this difficult group/individual ways of thinking to change. But for the short term, don't you just want to get by?

(If they are actually on an obstacle you want to drive up/over......totally different situation.)

Food for thought......

Passing a slow moving group is usually not an issue , but can be challenging on a busy weekend such as the upcomnig jambo weekend. Sometimes , you're just kinda stuck in the flow. Have a good weekend, White Rubicon, and remember to pack out your poop.

It seems that with 50 feet of trail corridor (unless there is a tree/forest/hill/impassable rock) passing another small group would be easy. Would it not? I'm honestly asking.


Most of the time the trail is only 10-12 feet wide. Trying to pass would involve some type of resource damage. If the stopped group took the time to get to the edge of the trail or wait for a wider spot to stop for lunch, this wouldn't be a problem.

I like the idea of getting vendors involved for handing out fliers but the vendor might not want to push signing an agreement on their customers. The other thought on that, when I started out, I didn't have the money to go to a shop. Pick-n-Pull might be the best place.







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not to get off topic, but Doug is right: there are places its simply not practical to pass. The group we encountered was simply stopped dead on the trail and others pulled up parallel so there was no legal way around. And their attitude was we'll move when we're ready, so pound sand. Some others not with us soon caught up behind us and got all pissy, then they realized it was 'them' and not us, so they also tried to get them moving w/out luck. Fortunately by the time one other fella was going to get physical to get them moving, they started packing up and we think intentionally foot dragging to prove some illogical point.

Some tight spots mandate you get in line and wait ur turn. Courtesy dictates if ur moving slow and a fast mover comes up on your six, pull over and for god's sake, let them by at the first safe opportunity. i've been in both situations and its always appreciated. Going up/down big sluice or caddy is always a 'fun' experience when 25 want to go up and another big group wants to get down. One solution is for a spotter to go ahead on foot w/ a VHF radio and attempt to meet any oncoming traffic and negotiate a solution. This friendly approach usually works. When not, then we squeeze by and shake door handles. When folks are in a hurry, rights of way are not respected. Should up hill traffic always have the automatic right of way? Maybe not... but that's what i was taught long ago. Faking a medical or mechanical emergency while attractive in nature could back fire if BS is called.

We ALWAYS select a lunch spot that offers lots of wide space for anyone to pass and to do otherwise is just plain selfish and only inflames feelings. No excuse not to pull over, ever.

mb

Renolaw,

Please either post up the club name or PM me the name.

I like to know what types of people I'm dealing with on the trail. Your experience with them is knowledge and forewarning for others that may come across these folks.

I would have to say, post it up or PM it to me too. We should know who the a**hats are out in the world.

Unless you break, like twelve tie rod ends in the box then you must wait for the big blue rock to put #13 on and move:laughing:. Keith you better get that thing done soon so you can wheel the box before it becomes gravel, for subaru parking:(Remember, I did get ran into, I still have the dent in the hood to prove it. :flipoff2:

Renolaw,

Please either post up the club name or PM me the name.

I like to know what types of people I'm dealing with on the trail. Your experience with them is knowledge and forewarning for others that may come across these folks.

x2

or how about the groups that stop for lunch ON THE TRAIL and take their easy darn time doing it? Came upon a group from __X__ club at the bridge below walker. parked on trail, tables set up and all the chairs, kids and dogs running amok. We walked ahead to see if room to skirt by and got the attitude stares and better than thou reaction. No way around and rigs all over the place. We made it clerar we needed to keep rolling and the reaaction was -- so what? Suggested uncoolness of blocking the trail and that actually made them eat slower. After 45 minutes they slowly packed up and gently creeped fwd. I won;t say their affiliation unless u PM me, but we concluded it was rude. Another sad example of the me first attitude and y'all behind can just wait.

Cooler heads prevailed, but still, this day and age w/ the built rigs-- they should know better....

and these were not kids, average age about 35.

mb


45 minutes!! screw that...

No way would we put up with stuff like that.

Hook up the winch and skull drag their POS's off the trail.

Might end up in a few punch's though!!

And we don't carry guns here..... on second thought, maybe 45 mins ain't that long....:p

When folks are in a hurry, rights of way are not respected. Should up hill traffic always have the automatic right of way? Maybe not... but that's what i was taught long ago.

I was always taught the same thing, uphill traffic has the right of way because it can be more dangerous to back downhill than up.

In reality, my experience has been that the rigs who can more easily pull over should do so. Why should someone have to back uphill 200 yards if I can back down 20?

As far as large groups v.s. small groups, in tight spots it's much easier for a couple rigs to get off the side of the trail than it is for 10 or 20. When a smaller faster group is overtaking a larger slower group, it can be done a couple rigs at a time in the wide spots as long as the big slow group is communicating and courteous.

I dunno, I guess it's never been too much of an issue for me since I'm never really in a hurry and only go up for recreational purposes during weekdays when there isn't much happening.

Regards,
....Mike

At the Loon Lake Kiosk with a short list of FOTR recommended trail etiquette?

I'll contribute $20.

Have fun this weekend.....Not me