School me on what to do and not to do. I found one write up online that has fairly good pictures for the front of a TJ. I'll be using the basics and doing them front and rear on my CJ. This is the article I found:

http://www.stu-offroad.com/suspension/sdw/sdw-1.htm

it's an ok concept... I think I'll see about clearance up front in the middle and not go the pulley route, at least I think... unless someone explains why the pully method is better... Same for the rear, I'll build a crossmember and install it in the middle. Anyone know of any threads and/or builds I can look at? I searched here with no avail before turning to google.

and before the question is asked, this will be used so I can get in my garage as it's currently a little tall.

First page works , the second page doesn't. And why would you mount it on top of your shock?

First page works , the second page doesn't. And why would you mount it on top of your shock?

no idea why he went that route... all 4 pages worked for me

as I said, I'll be doing this differently, just wanted to put that out there in case someone else was searching. I won't be using mounting ideas from that site though.

more I think about it, I may use my main winch to suck down the front... what would the best method of doing so be still utilizing tierod/draglink?

nobody has any pictures of suckdown winch mounting or line routing?

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perfect, thanks. That is about the plan I had hashed in my mind for the back.

anybody have any ideas for routing the line from the front winch using traditional style steering? All the examples I have found are people using full hydro with the winch point on the front of the ram skid.

I am about to do the same thing - - I was thinking about using the main winch and welding a 1" thick tab (like you would weld to a bumper for a d ring) to the diff or truss. I would not go to the tie rod because I think that would eliminate the possibility to steer. I don't really like the idea of using the main winch for the suspension suck down either - - what if your on a steep ledge and get to the point of pucker and need your main winch - - I bet most people would not want to unload the suspension to run a winch at that point - - so a suck down on a cross member with winch line going to the axle sounds like it is the best idea. Lets see the pic from you guys who have already done this.

think I'll do the back first and while I have the small winch see how much room I have if I mount it on a crossmember in front of the engine... see how low it would hang and what not...

think I'll do the back first and while I have the small winch see how much room I have if I mount it on a crossmember in front of the engine... see how low it would hang and what not...

A small winch up front won't last. FYI, going downhill is momentum and you'll only need a timy bit of force to hold the rear down...climbing uphill, it's an entirely different scenario. If you can route your primary winchline to work, do that.

A small winch up front won't last. FYI, going downhill is momentum and you'll only need a timy bit of force to hold the rear down...climbing uphill, it's an entirely different scenario. If you can route your primary winchline to work, do that.

I've been trying to figure out a way to route the line to make that happen, but I'm having a hard time figuring out to get past the tie rod and drag link with a line coming from the front.

I have a winch from harbor freight mounted on my front axle, and a pivoting cross bracket inside of the frame. It looks alot like some motocross handlebars so it will clear the oil pan.
I made it out of some 1 3/4" dom.
The winch is mounted to the axle with some muffler clamps.
It works great.

I will get some pics up soon.

Total cost well under $100

Here's a pretty good idea for the front
http://forum.tx4wd.org/viewtopic.php?t=7046

movin on up for more ideas and suggestions...

Here is a link to one a guy in our club had made after he flipped over backwards in his TJ.

http://forum.tx4wd.org/viewtopic.php?t=7046

Here's a pretty good idea for the front
http://forum.tx4wd.org/viewtopic.php?t=7046

Here is a link to one a guy in our club had made after he flipped over backwards in his TJ.

http://forum.tx4wd.org/viewtopic.php?t=7046

I'd really like to see better pictures of the crossmember utilized here

Are you running leaf springs on the CJ? If so you need to come straight down to the axle. For the front suck down, the front winch will work if you mount some kind of cross member between the frame rails right above the axle.

Just as an FYI, on our CJ, we just welded a tubing crossmember between the framerails. directly above the front axle, that not only strengthened the frame from flex, but also we could route the normal winchline out the front, around the front bumper and back towards the engine pulley, over that crossmember tube we installed, and down to the front axle. Remember, you don't need to suck the front down but an inch or so...the idea is to keep it from unloading.

FYI, we used .180 wall 1 3/4" tube.

CHEAP, FAST, SIMPLE, EFFECTIVE.

Real quick off the subject...


Stuoffroad, Stu Olsens web site was like my early P4x4 back in the day. He is a great dude. He answered several of my dumb questions about my RE lift and axle disassembly.

Back on track.

Does moving the axle forward on a TJ help with the clearance issues? I'll be running a 79 60 with box and highsteer.

Just as an FYI, on our CJ, we just welded a tubing crossmember between the framerails. directly above the front axle, that not only strengthened the frame from flex, but also we could route the normal winchline out the front, around the front bumper and back towards the engine pulley, over that crossmember tube we installed, and down to the front axle. Remember, you don't need to suck the front down but an inch or so...the idea is to keep it from unloading.

FYI, we used .180 wall 1 3/4" tube.

CHEAP, FAST, SIMPLE, EFFECTIVE.

I'm thinking of going this route and putting a couple rollers in the equation, one on the front of the bumper and one on the crossmember...

my problem is going to be mounting a crossmember with the clearance of my small block chevy oil pan... it was installed to sit low, but not necessarily real far back so we'll see

Page post #45 pics of my suck down winch.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=593450&page=2



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