I needed to start a new thread so I would not bog down your other one with my mindless question.

In your suspension article you wrote:

The advantage they have over stock FJ45 (or 40) springs is in their length -- 45.7" compared to the stock FJ40/45 length of 42". For comparison, FJ55 springs are 45.5 " in length.

I was intrugued by the fact that the FJ-60 springs were the same length as the FJ-55 springs I have on my truck. I was always under the impression that FJ-60 springs were shorter.

Here is my question: I just went out and measured my FJ-55 rear springs on Kate and on Wilbur and both measure in at 47" with a slight arch. Slight arch!

My front springs are 43" eye to eye and they are more-or-less flat.

My question is this, I want to have longer springs in the front to gain better shackle angle in the front and have the benefits of longer springs, however I want the offset pin so I can maintain my long wheelbase that I have gained by reversing the FJ-40 springs in the front.

Will you look at the FJ-60 REAR springs and tell me:

1) What is the short side measurement

2) What is the long side measurent

3) Will they fit in FJ-40 stock spring hangers?

4) Will I need different spring pins?

I am about to do some suspension tweaking and I know where a stock of flat FJ-60 springs are (Butch) and if the measurements are right and I can use my spring hanger....I like the idea of longer springs in the front.

Let me know and again, thanks for the awesome writups!

ps LT-1's rule :D

Nolen...Hardly a mindless question!! At the outset, let me state my belief that six Cruiserheads measuring a spring will come up with at least five dfferent measurements:D Because of this I chose to present in that website the spring lengths given by Rob Mullen in his often quoted Land Cruiser FAQ. I will add a reference to those numbers on the website. The bottom line is that the lengths of FJ60 REAR springs and FJ55s are essentially the same. Your impression that the FJ60 springs are shorter most likely stems from the fact that FJ60 FRONT springs are indeed shorter than both the 55 and 40/45 versions. So, if you want longer front springs, given the difficulty of finding FJ55 packs, I think the FJ60 rears are a good alternative.

I am away from my shop for the next 10 days, but will be glad to re-measure the offset of the FJ60 springs as soon as I get back (I did that once, but can't find the numbers:mad: ) In the meantime, perhaps some other FJ60 owner could measure his or hers. Butch, you got your ears on?

There is a common myth that FJ60 springs are wider than FJ40 springs. That is absolutely not true. What is different is that the spring eyes on the FJ60 springs have a larger diameter. Consequently, OEM rubber and aftermarket poly spring bushings and spring pins are larger. Those who claim that the 60 springs won't fit into an FJ40 spring hanger may well be basing the statement on the fact that the 60 bushings are perhaps too large. With poly bushings, you should be able to trim the bushings so they will fit in the FJ40 hangers. In the worst case scenario, it would not be difficult to make, or have made, your own custom bushings on a lathe to mate the 60 springs to the 40 hangers. If you use OEM or aftermarket poly bushings, you will need to use FJ60 spring pins. If you make, or have made, custom bushings, you could retain the smaller FJ40 spring pins.

Have I forgot anything?... Oh yes.. Vortecs Rule:D :D

I happen to have a healthy stock of worn out FJ60 springs in anticipation of some market showing up for them...:D .

I also happen to have a 60 sitting outside that I could measure the offset of the rears? tommorrow if you still need it....
BTW we have put over 1000 miles on my $750 Ebay 60 no problems at all:D
Finally just for you Grog
:flipoff2:
Butch

Thanks Jack!

Hey Butch, please shoot me those measurements....

I just finished installing FJ60 SUA lifted springs on the rear of my FJ40. I am sure you are looking for flat spring measurement since you are SOA....I flipped the springs so my rear axle is way back.

However, I used Old Man Emu spring bushings in aftermarket springs (I think they are Man a fre) and the springs fit perfect in the stock rear spring hanger.

Karl

Nolan, Have you looked into the 44044's or the JCWhitney waggy springs? They are longer than the Cruiser springs and you get the offset pins. Either way they are less than $250 a pair.

Originally posted by SpaceGhost
Nolan, Have you looked into the 44044's or the JCWhitney waggy springs? They are longer than the Cruiser springs and you get the offset pins. Either way they are less than $250 a pair.

As many FJ-60 springs that are around here (Butch) it shouldn't be a problem to find some FREE ones :D

I am not the best welder (read horrible) and I would like to keep my stock hangers.....if I had it to all do over I would have some of those mongo F-150 jobbers.....

The sad part of this story is to wonder about how many rear FJ60 spring packs have been replaced by OME units and then discarded :confused:

Originally posted by Medusa
The sad part of this story is to wonder about how many rear FJ60 spring packs have been replaced by OME units and then discarded :confused:

About like Mini truck inners......FJ-40 flat stock springs.......my Grandfather's hand carved wooden decoys......

which are 60/55 length and centered????

Medusa Question

hey listen, if you want to ask questions about spider like objects, please do so in chit chat:rolleyes: :flipoff2: :D

Originally posted by Medusa
The sad part of this story is to wonder about how many rear FJ60 spring packs have been replaced by OME units and then discarded :confused:


None thrown away by me:flipoff2:
One of my great weakness' I never toss anything away..........I might need it sometime...
Butch

Originally posted by Macgyver
which are 60/55 length and centered????

55's are centered front and rear and FJ-60's are offset.

Now to find out the measurements of the short side to see HOW offset is the question.

I need the wheelbase offered by the offset pin in the front more than I need the additional flex/ride of the longer spring so if the short side is not the same, the 40 springs are going back in.

Originally posted by Mr McGee


hey listen, if you want to ask questions about spider like objects, please do so in chit chat:rolleyes: :flipoff2: :D

what, nobody gets it?:confused:

i recommend you read the article on jacks website about the vortec conversion. read the WHOLE thing and you will understand:D

Originally posted by Mr McGee


what, nobody gets it?:confused:

i recommend you read the article on jacks website about the vortec conversion. read the WHOLE thing and you will understand:D

Are you talking about the spider that goes from his 2 injectors to the cylinders?

If so, I don't mess with such nonsense. :flipoff2:

Grog -- Don't overlook the Ironman Suspension web page http://www.ironmansuspension.com/

Go into products, then look up what applications fit various cruisers. Then back over the the leaf spring specs.

Tom :usa:

Originally posted by roundrocktom
Grog -- Don't overlook the Ironman Suspension web page http://www.ironmansuspension.com/

Go into products, then look up what applications fit various cruisers. Then back over the the leaf spring specs.

Tom :usa:

That does not show me the short side REAR FJ-60 measurements.

If anyone can llok at their FJ-60 for me....

Originally posted by wngrog


Are you talking about the spider that goes from his 2 injectors to the cylinders?

If so, I don't mess with such nonsense. :flipoff2:

http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~jrice/cruiser/Vortec-2.gif

When I brought the engine home, my wife immediately named it Medusa, for the serpent-like wiring harness completely covering the top of the beauty (ok, maybe her words were more like beast, but I considered it a real beauty).

taken from jacks site :D :D

i just re-read it....i meant serpent not spider :D ;)

If I had known then what I know now (how many times have I said that?), I would have saved you the stock 60 series springs from the Princess, which are the non-US (read non-Euro, non-OZ, rest of the world) LONGER springs, specifically 5" LONGER than the US/Aussie/Euro version. In fact, they were so long that the spring and shackle hangers are also different. The spring hanger is much heavier and beefier and shaped differently, the shackle hanger is mounted to the two rearmost holes on the frame (vs. the US-spec 60's where it's mounted on the two front ones).

Unfortunately, I tossed them with the stock Dana 60 when I went to OME's....

Originally posted by 60seriesguy

Unfortunately, I tossed them with the stock Dana 60 when I went to OME's....

Nice one Henry :rolleyes:

Now walk outside....put a tape measure on those damn rear springs and CALL ME with the measurements!

FJ-60 Rear 21.5" short side versus 19.5" on the FJ40

Long side Rear 25"

46.5" Long FJ-60

Thanks Henry C!

So it is true...FJ-55 and FJ-60 rears are the same length, but you will gain more wheelbase by reversing your FJ-40 springs or installing FJ-55 springs.

Back to the drawing board....

I am currently working on getting some FJ-55 rear springs made stock/new at an affordable price.

I will let you all know how it turns out.

Tried calling you on every number I have,
Front eye to pin 22.5"
Pin to rear eye 25.25
Should be very accurate cause the springs are FLAT and the weight of truck was on them......
Butch

Originally posted by Medusa
At the outset, let me state my belief that six Cruiserheads measuring a spring will come up with at least five dfferent measurements:D

Noted.

stock Dana 60

What?

Originally posted by dieselcruiserhead


What?

Henry's FJ-62 came from his native Venuzuela and it was a 1 ton version with a stock semi float Dana 60 and long HD rear spring packs.

It also has a carburated 3F and an H55.

Originally posted by wngrog


About like Mini truck inners......FJ-40 flat stock springs.......my Grandfather's hand carved wooden decoys......

Got some extra inners, a couple of sets of stock 40 springs and about 300 of my great grandfathers hand carved wooden decoys from Wisconsin...
Plus his custom Belgium Browning Auto 5
Although my great grandmother did throw away my fathers complete set of Green lantern, superman, and batman comics

:flipoff2: :mad:

Stolen from Jack's site:

Bobbed 60 by Bennett's son.

Before:
http://www.cisautoweb.com/dtlc/images/FJ60_1.jpg

& After:
http://www.cisautoweb.com/dtlc/images/FJ60_bobbed.jpg

I really like the look of the chopped 60...if only it were not photochopped! lol

Here is a real one. Henry's friend Renzo's 60 in Venezuala. I am pretty sure everyone has seen it before here, but it is too cool not to post.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=412852