My buddy Josh has always loved scouts and just picked up a 78' with a 345 and 4spd. He wants to go with one tons and 38's+ so he can keep up with the rest of us.

Only problem is since its a 4spd and he's only got one leg (his license plate is "peg leg1" :laughing: ) so working the clutch is a major PITA offroad. He asked me to post up and get ideas. Here's what I have so far:

Option 1: Gut the scout and run the drivetrain out of a fullsize (any of the big 3) with an automatic. (A lot of work)

Option 2: Run a scout 727TF out of a scout II. (not sure how much work involved)

Option 3: Run a low gear set in the 20, gear the crap out of the axles and use a hand throttle. Might work ok but I think he has the close ratio T19 and still might not be low enough.

Any suggestions are welcome. We're located in Vegas so if we decide to sell the drivetrain (axles might go under my dad's sidekick) PBB members have 1st dibs.

sell it and buy one with an auto.

if you can find a 727, shifter, FLEX PLATE, front driveshaft, and t-case drive gear, it wouldn't be that hard of a swap really. But by the time you've located it all, you've found another scout. If you were closer to kansas I'd have everything you needed, including a rebuilt 727 with about 15 miles on it.

If he insists on an Stick, add a shifter mounted thumb throttle he can manipulate. Some stick guys use them. I thought about it and I have two feet.

If he went to an auto and a thumb throttle, he would probably spank you all! :D

sell it and buy one with an auto.

if you can find a 727, shifter, FLEX PLATE, front driveshaft, and t-case drive gear, it wouldn't be that hard of a swap really. But by the time you've located it all, you've found another scout. If you were closer to kansas I'd have everything you needed, including a rebuilt 727 with about 15 miles on it.

Funny you say that. I actually told him to sell it and either get another scout or something else with an automatic to build.

run the manual, gear the shit out of the tcase and axles..........and have fun. only one leg needed

run the manual, gear the shit out of the tcase and axles..........and have fun. only one leg needed

no. gonna be a pita. I planted my dirt bike and f-d up my leg bad enough last fall that I couldn't use my left foot for driving my manual s10 for almost a week. I was only clutching for starting out and I had to avoid hill stops. One leg to brake/clutch really seems like it would take the fun out of it.

the 345 would be much easier with the additional torque/flywheel mass, but i'd think it would sure take the fun out of wheeling with my limited 1-leg experience.

Why not just retro fit something like this:

http://reviews.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PINGEL-ELECTRIC-SHIFTER-FOR-MOTORCYCLES-ALL-YEARS_W0QQugidZ10000000007267429

Looks like it should be able to be fabbed fairly easily. Run the control to the top of the shifter and go.

That's for the shifter not the clutch. His buddy is one legged, not one armed.

I've seen cars with a lever on the steering column that operates the brake and throttle, maybe he could use something like that.

Why not just retro fit something like this:

http://reviews.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PINGEL-ELECTRIC-SHIFTER-FOR-MOTORCYCLES-ALL-YEARS_W0QQugidZ10000000007267429

Looks like it should be able to be fabbed fairly easily. Run the control to the top of the shifter and go.

how the hell would that work on a 4-speed trans? 3 of them?

I don't have use of either of my legs. I wheel a CJ8 auto.
For him I would recommend hand control for the brake and gas, run the clutch with his leg. I use a bicycle hand brake for the gas. Brake levers are all the same.
How about an air assist on the clutch? Big rigs use them, you can push the clutch in with one finger.
Which leg is he missing?
I use to street drive a 5 speed Nissan but that wear and tear on your elbow pushing the clutch gets old real fast.

too bad there wasn't some sort of hand clutch that could be mounted on the shifter. That would be perfect, and he could use his leg for the gas and brake just like in an auto, and use his hand for the clutching/shifting. Let us know what you guys come up with, I'm interested in this.

That item was just for the concept of movement, considering it was for a motorcycle shifter and costs like $700 that was not the idea.

Like I said put the button for an actuator to push the clutch in on the gear shifter, then take the clutch pedal off and fab up the linkage. Since your hand is already on the shifter you push to engage and shift. You can set a momentary switch to give you some sort of delay to find the gear or just a push/release type switch.

The actuator can be magnetic drive or maybe even piezo (cost would probably be prohibitive with the piezo). Of course a car door lock actuator would be dirt cheap and easy to carry a spare if needed, as they usually come in pairs.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2501503

They even offer a quick wiring unit that you could send signal to the actuator (of course some mods would be necessary for this module):

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2501519

The idea is the clutch is still engaging, you are just using the actuator to do the "Leg Work".

Use an hydraulic slave cylinder push or pull style with hydraulic throw out bearing if you can find one to use with IH tranny. Coupled with a small electric actuator either a push or pull style depending on your slave cylinder selection. Use a button on the shifter to engage the clutch, however riding or feathering the clutch will probably not exist, unless you find some type of progressive power switch that will only move the actuator as far as you push the button. (If you can find that style actuator which I'm sure exist). Would not be that hard to fab up mounts for something like this either. The only hang up I see on this option is the hydraulic throw out bearing.

Use an hydraulic slave cylinder push or pull style with hydraulic throw out bearing if you can find one to use with IH tranny. Coupled with a small electric actuator either a push or pull style depending on your slave cylinder selection. Use a button on the shifter to engage the clutch, however riding or feathering the clutch will probably not exist, unless you find some type of progressive power switch that will only move the actuator as far as you push the button. (If you can find that style actuator which I'm sure exist). Would not be that hard to fab up mounts for something like this either. The only hang up I see on this option is the hydraulic throw out bearing.

Hydraulic throwout bearing with a motorcycle brake master cylinder. Still can't 3-foot it but you can at least feather the clutch when you neeed to.

too bad there wasn't some sort of hand clutch that could be mounted on the shifter. That would be perfect, and he could use his leg for the gas and brake just like in an auto, and use his hand for the clutching/shifting. Let us know what you guys come up with, I'm interested in this.


This is a good idea, plus it would be cool. steal one off a old tractor.

Go to www.binderplanet.com , and find some people in your area that have Scouts. Everybody I know with a Scout has at least two parts trucks. I'm sure you could find the parts to swap to auto for very cheap or free, especially since you have a functioning drivetrain to trade.

Hydraulic throwout bearing with a motorcycle brake master cylinder. Still can't 3-foot it but you can at least feather the clutch when you neeed to.

Don't think it would move enough fluid.

If you need feather action then a slide type switch, most similar action I can think of is rear steer, so you can dial in the "ram" action.

Lot of potential for making this work, trick is to find something that is stout or easy/cheap to swap out if necessary.

Another way to go is a stepper motor with a rack type motion. We use a positioning card and encoder system for our robots, but that might be overkill and too costly for this application. You might find some industrial type stuff from Grainger/McMaster-Carr that will serve you well for the cost.

Another option I think could be a double acting air cylinder to operate clutch linkage. An on-board air system can be done for less than $150 with a York AC compressor, etc. and a cylinder $75-100. And maybe a High/Low range selector from a big Spicer tranny to operate the cylinder.
Then again, mebbe not, just doing a "Taco Bell" outside the box, er, bun!

or bolt in a 727.

or bolt in a 727.

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Like already said... Bolt in a 727!!! What is with the rest of this crap?

The 727 does not give the driver the control the manual provides. So the tech is to find a way to make it work for the man around his issues.

If he had both legs you would all be saying not to be big pussy and clutch it for the most bang.

So for the money and time you build a really cool set-up and hit the trails ready to dig with the rest of the troop.

Fuck it, sell the scout and buy and buy a Heep. No tech and you will be Uber Gay and like everyone else.

no. gonna be a pita. I planted my dirt bike and f-d up my leg bad enough last fall that I couldn't use my left foot for driving my manual s10 for almost a week. I was only clutching for starting out and I had to avoid hill stops. One leg to brake/clutch really seems like it would take the fun out of it.

the 345 would be much easier with the additional torque/flywheel mass, but i'd think it would sure take the fun out of wheeling with my limited 1-leg experience.

you are right my friend...dislocated my hip on my 450...could barely walk, let alone drive for 3 weeks..

The 727 does not give the driver the control the manual provides. So the tech is to find a way to make it work for the man around his issues.

If he had both legs you would all be saying not to be big pussy and clutch it for the most bang.

So for the money and time you build a really cool set-up and hit the trails ready to dig with the rest of the troop.

Fuck it, sell the scout and buy and buy a Heep. No tech and you will be Uber Gay and like everyone else.

Yea, gettin out there and digging with the rest of the troop!

The 727 does not give the driver the control the manual provides.


Bullshit!

Bullshit!

So you can feather and double clutch with a 727 without throwing the cost of a small country at it?

So you can feather and double clutch with a 727 without throwing the cost of a small country at it?

The guy only has one leg!! I don't think you can double clutch an auto no matter how much money you have.

So you can feather and double clutch with a 727 without throwing the cost of a small country at it?

Because they have overcomplicated computer controlled triple 3-position pneumatic actuator transmission shifting systems available for $4.99 at walmart so he can shift the transmission with his hand which he would be doing anyway.



If you wanted to do the work, a small car vacuum brake booster used as a hand clutch aid would be pretty damn cool and feasible.

So you can feather and double clutch with a 727 without throwing the cost of a small country at it?

Double clutch a auto? You are very confused.:shaking:

Bullshit!

So you can feather and double clutch with a 727 without throwing the cost of a small country at it?

You see, that's the beauty of it, you don't have to! And no, you don't have to throw the cost of a small country into it. For someone who is serious about wheeling, adding in 500-700 for a well built transmission should be the least of their budgetary worries.

Double clutch a auto? You are very confused.:shaking:

Exactly my point, it is not the same, you lose the control. Which you called bullshit on earlier in the thread.

Larboc is right on spot on to where I was heading originally. Keep the original and devise some sort of manual clutch to give the guy the option to run the manual with a hand activated clutch.

Exactly my point, it is not the same, you lose the control. Which you called bullshit on earlier in the thread.

Larboc is right on spot on to where I was heading originally. Keep the original and devise some sort of manual clutch to give the guy the option to run the manual with a hand activated clutch.

LOL....you lose control with an automatic, but you lose more with a manual. The second you put any pressure on the clutch peddle you are removing the coupling force transferring power from the engine to the tires. Automatics take a split second to shift between forward gears, and are totally disengaged for minimal time and a heck of a lot shorter time then a manual transmission. Have you ever tried to down shift from second to first on a climb? I bet you I can do way more seamlessly and way more controlled then any manual transmission out there. Is it any wonder that the top tier competition rigs are automatics?

It's a choice I'll give you that but to spout off your ignorant chatter like it's fact is, like Binder said, bullshit.

Exactly my point, it is not the same, you lose the control.

No it's not the same. You have by far greater control with a automatic trans. I often say "god gave us two feet to work two pedals". I guess in this case there is only one foot so why add even more pedals?

Like someone said earlier, get the hand brake/throttle control that is used by people with no use of thier legs. Mount that on the left of the steering wheel, and that way he can use left hand for that, right hand for shifting, and his leg for clutching. Might have to steer with his forehead though... ;)

Have him hook controll the clutch my blowing in a tube...... worked for Christopher Reeve.....