Got a 1999 2500 Ram 4x4
v8 (5.9, 360 gas), 46RE, 241DHD !!!!! and Front and Rear Dana 60's.
My thought process has gone as far as front and rear Ox Lockers.
Shift kit for the transmission and get rid of the beer cans in the back.
Got some cash to spend on this being it was almost free.
I'm looking to give the truck alittle more axle articulation.
Other than that, throw some opinions out there.
Go crazy. I'll post lots of pictures as work gets done to this and point out who's idea was what, as well.

Bore out the spindles and throw some 35 spline shafts in the rear 60 before you spend money on a 30 spline ox.

Bore out the spindles and throw some 35 spline shafts in the rear 60 before you spend money on a 30 spline ox.

That had crossed my mind being chro moly shafts are only $199. I didn't know the spindles needed bored to put 35 Splines in, good to know.

That had crossed my mind being chro moly shafts are only $199. I didn't know the spindles needed bored to put 35 Splines in, good to know.

Find a 70HD if you dont want to bore the spindles.....Most came factory with 35 spline axles.....

Find a 70HD if you dont want to bore the spindles.....Most came factory with 35 spline axles.....

Got one, but it's gonna stay where it's at. The D60 will just get bored if that what it comes down too. Anyone know why they label the rear as a "Spicer 6200" , while actually still label the front as a Dana 60? Gots me kind of puzzled. Hopefully that 6200 doesn't mean it's a Dana 61 or something freaky like that.

I think I figured out this truck is a snow plow prep package. That's my guess why it's a got 241DHD underneath it. The 4:10 gears and 8800 GVW also egg me on in that assumption.


BTW, vendors are welcome here too if you got parts you think I could use on this project.

35's with some cutting and wheel it just the way it is til something big breaks, then go hardcore, cage, bigger axles, etc..

Spicer 6200 is the same thing as the Dana 60. It's the same axle made by the same company, they just interchange the names for some reason...Surprised the rear is a 60 with 8800 gvw?

Or...

Built the hell out to those two axles, build some custom links for the front, but nothing too crazy...maybe just DOM and with better joints, definitely the shift kit, 37's with cutting and just wheel it. Oh and build some custom bumpers

35's with some cutting and wheel it just the way it is til something big breaks, then go hardcore, cage, bigger axles, etc..

Spicer 6200 is the same thing as the Dana 60. It's the same axle made by the same company, they just interchange the names for some reason...Surprised the rear is a 60 with 8800 gvw?

Or...

Built the hell out to those two axles, build some custom links for the front, but nothing too crazy...maybe just DOM and with better joints, definitely the shift kit, 37's with cutting and just wheel it. Oh and build some custom bumpers

Yeah it's 8800 GVW, they de rate the shit out of these trucks w/ the D 80's obviously when the D60's are rated the same. They do it for safety reasons I guess. The goal is to do Chro Moly on all the axle shafts and OX U-Joints as well.

What you mean by "cutting"? Cut the body?

I'm still completely undecided on tires and rims. Somebody throw ideas out there..

Run whatever tires and wheels you can get a good deal on. I found a great deal on my 40" MTRs so I modified the truck around a 40" tire. Check out craigslist or local forums for a set of H2s, some steelies, or whatever. For sure keep it low, do a little cutting (on the body), and make some control arms that push the front end foward an inch or two so your tires will clear the cab at full stuff/lock.

Definitely check craigslist you can find alot of nice rims and tires on there for cheap man.

Definitely check craigslist you can find alot of nice rims and tires on there for cheap man.

I'm there, but I'm not even sure what I should look for! I guess I'm just gonna go after a decent Mud tire.....

Here's pics of it:

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww318/phily911diesel/Bake%20On/BakeOn010.jpg

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww318/phily911diesel/Bake%20On/BakeOn009.jpg

Already got the Emblems shaved off! :shaking:
Just going through everything right now/servicing/checking for any areas that need immediate attention. This will look completely different after it's all said and done.

Well this thing is sucking down fuel like a..........
and it's losing oil pressure. How much would off-roading suffer if I dropped a the heavy 4bt Cummins in here?

Well this thing is sucking down fuel like a..........
and it's losing oil pressure. How much would off-roading suffer if I dropped a the heavy 4bt Cummins in here?

Probably pretty good, remember the 5.9 weighs in at around 1K fully dressed, I think the 4BT is about 750-800 I think.....so not too bad in my opinion, I would personally try and find a p-pump one if you can, but the VE pump engines can make good useable power.....also plan on getting another tranny cause that gasser tranny wont shift at low enough RPM's for the diesel.....

Probably pretty good, remember the 5.9 weighs in at around 1K fully dressed, I think the 4BT is about 750-800 I think.....so not too bad in my opinion, I would personally try and find a p-pump one if you can, but the VE pump engines can make good useable power.....also plan on getting another tranny cause that gasser tranny wont shift at low enough RPM's for the diesel.....

I didn't know the weight difference between the 360 Magnum and a 4bt. I'm trying to make this thing have good traction and I know the more weight in the front the worse. Ballast is a concern, but the fuel consumption of a 360 is unreal. I think I'd have to replace the 46re w/ a 47re to get it to bolt up, but I'm not 100%. The 2 transmissions look identical.

I didn't know the weight difference between the 360 Magnum and a 4bt. I'm trying to make this thing have good traction and I know the more weight in the front the worse. Ballast is a concern, but the fuel consumption of a 360 is unreal. I think I'd have to replace the 46re w/ a 47re to get it to bolt up, but I'm not 100%. The 2 transmissions look identical.

You will need a Cummins 47RH (not an E tranny, too much work), A518 or 727 (I would use the 727 personally) to make the swap work, just pull the dodge tranny adapter plate off of a 5.9 and put it on the 4BT, now what you could do is find a 4BT with a Ford or Chevy adapter plate and put a built C6 or TH400 (bullet proof) behind it mated to whatever case you wanted (203/205 doubler possibly) and sell the 241 DHD for a few hundred to make up the difference, if this is just going to be a wheeling truck then it really shouldnt matter where you source the parts from as long as it works like you want it......what else is nice is there are hydraulic pumps available to bolt onto the 4 or 6BT so you can run full hydro steering or hydro assist.....

here are when those dodge tranny were available.....

89-91.5 727

91.5-93 A518

94-1996 47RH (check the truck its coming out of, they were a mix and match in 1996 of what truck got what tranny, Ive seen late production models get "H" models and early production models get the "E" trannies and vice-versa......Chrysler is bad about this type of thing.....)

You will need a Cummins 47RH (not an E tranny, too much work), A518 or 727 (I would use the 727 personally) to make the swap work, just pull the dodge tranny adapter plate off of a 5.9 and put it on the 4BT, now what you could do is find a 4BT with a Ford or Chevy adapter plate and put a built C6 or TH400 (bullet proof) behind it mated to whatever case you wanted (203/205 doubler possibly) and sell the 241 DHD for a few hundred to make up the difference, if this is just going to be a wheeling truck then it really shouldnt matter where you source the parts from as long as it works like you want it......what else is nice is there are hydraulic pumps available to bolt onto the 4 or 6BT so you can run full hydro steering or hydro assist.....

here are when those dodge tranny were available.....

89-91.5 727

91.5-93 A518

94-1996 47RH (check the truck its coming out of, they were a mix and match in 1996 of what truck got what tranny, Ive seen late production models get "H" models and early production models get the "E" trannies and vice-versa......Chrysler is bad about this type of thing.....)

I like the Dodge transmissions, so I'll do a 47RE or 47RH whatever I can do cheaper. The electronics don't scare me. I got to find a cheap 4bt and that's not easy.

I guess the project is stuck as of right now until I figure something out. Unless I find a cheap 4bt, it's gonna stick with the 360. If I was rich, this would be alot easier.

I like the Dodge transmissions, so I'll do a 47RE or 47RH whatever I can do cheaper. The electronics don't scare me. I got to find a cheap 4bt and that's not easy.

I guess the project is stuck as of right now until I figure something out. Unless I find a cheap 4bt, it's gonna stick with the 360. If I was rich, this would be alot easier.

yes, i know how you feel.......

I always thought about a 3 speed auto behind one with a 203/205 doubler would be sweet......

IMHO, you would be better off getting a wrecked Cummins Ram and using the drivetrain. 4BTs are a good motor, but they sell for as much as the Dodge 6bt from what I've seen.

IMHO, you would be better off getting a wrecked Cummins Ram and using the drivetrain. 4BTs are a good motor, but they sell for as much as the Dodge 6bt from what I've seen.

that is true.....sadly......

yes, i know how you feel.......

I always thought about a 3 speed auto behind one with a 203/205 doubler would be sweet......

Anything with a 203/205 doubler is sweet......

IMHO, you would be better off getting a wrecked Cummins Ram and using the drivetrain. 4BTs are a good motor, but they sell for as much as the Dodge 6bt from what I've seen.

Right. but a 6bt is too much front end weight, a 4bt really is too. It was just on the plate if a 4bt could be done cheap. I'm gonna stick w/ the gas-thirsty 360.

Got 3 things on the plate now for this week.
1. Figure out what's f-ed up with engine.
2. Shift kit/service tranny/adjust bands
3. Not sure what 3 is. 1 and 2 should take up the whole week.

Anything with a 203/205 doubler is sweet......



Right. but a 6bt is too much front end weight, a 4bt really is too. It was just on the plate if a 4bt could be done cheap. I'm gonna stick w/ the gas-thirsty 360.

Got 3 things on the plate now for this week.
1. Figure out what's f-ed up with engine.
2. Shift kit/service tranny/adjust bands
3. Not sure what 3 is. 1 and 2 should take up the whole week.

3. Is take a torch and start cutting every single piece of unneeded steel off that frame and lighten the truck up......

3. Is take a torch and start cutting every single piece of unneeded steel off that frame and lighten the truck up......

You ain't gonna believe this, but actually that's 100% true. I believe this is the snow plow prep package, and it's got brackets and shit in front end I wanted to rip off. There is at least 100lbs of metal that's gonna get ripped off of the front end, tonight or tomorrow.

You ain't gonna believe this, but actually that's 100% true. I believe this is the snow plow prep package, and it's got brackets and shit in front end I wanted to rip off. There is at least 100lbs of metal that's gonna get ripped off of the front end, tonight or tomorrow.

This is my biggest pet peeve, I cant stand having all that bullchit on trucks, it makes it a huge pain to try and fix stuff, cause you got this and that hanging in the way.....I think you will have well over 100 pounds once you realize just how much UN-NEEDED stuff is on that truck......Interior junk, metal frame brackets, humoungous fuel tank, all the other BS that isnt needed on the truck......Any time I start a project vehicle that is one of the 1st things I do, lighten up the load......If it dont serve a purpose or function, well it goes in the scrap pile....

This is my biggest pet peeve, I cant stand having all that bullchit on trucks, it makes it a huge pain to try and fix stuff, cause you got this and that hanging in the way.....I think you will have well over 100 pounds once you realize just how much UN-NEEDED stuff is on that truck......Interior junk, metal frame brackets, humoungous fuel tank, all the other BS that isnt needed on the truck......Any time I start a project vehicle that is one of the 1st things I do, lighten up the load......If it dont serve a purpose or function, well it goes in the scrap pile....

Agree and then some more.

My 98 saw everything possible ripped out. Then after that was done, I ripped out the AC system. Then I ripped out the useless cooler underneath the turbo. All the tweeking like that, did that truck good. Incredible fuel mileage, power, etc. Then it got stolen.:mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3:

Agree and then some more.

My 98 saw everything possible ripped out. Then after that was done, I ripped out the AC system. Then I ripped out the useless cooler underneath the turbo. All the tweeking like that, did that truck good. Incredible fuel mileage, power, etc. Then it got stolen.:mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3:

This is the 2wd cummins from your SIG??? I got a 96, 93, and 90, the 96 is 4wd, the 93 and 90 are 2wd.....I had a 95 V10 4x4 auto truck in 03-04......

And I cant get rid of A/C, I'm fat and sweat way too much :laughing:

This is the 2wd cummins from your SIG??? I got a 96, 93, and 90, the 96 is 4wd, the 93 and 90 are 2wd.....I had a 95 V10 4x4 auto truck in 03-04......

And I cant get rid of A/C, I'm fat and sweat way too much :laughing:

Ya I kind of regretted it later, but I did some much nit-picking on it eventually it just ran like a raped ape. The thing did awful in snow and mud. I was once stuck with 3 wheels on dry pavement. :shaking:


I'm going to do a Ox Locker in the rear of this thing before September most likely. It has a LSD (Powr Lok?) in it now. Can I install that LSD carrier in the front of another 12 Valve 4x4 98 Cummins. Pretty sure they are both 30 Spline.

Ya I kind of regretted it later, but I did some much nit-picking on it eventually it just ran like a raped ape. The thing did awful in snow and mud. I was once stuck with 3 wheels on dry pavement. :shaking:


I'm going to do a Ox Locker in the rear of this thing before September most likely. It has a LSD (Powr Lok?) in it now. Can I install that LSD carrier in the front of another 12 Valve 4x4 98 Cummins. Pretty sure they are both 30 Spline.

I wouldnt see why not.....30 spline dana 60 is a 30 spline dana 60 I guess......

I wouldnt see why not.....30 spline dana 60 is a 30 spline dana 60 I guess......

Yep that's what my thinking was. I guess I talk to too many red necks that say it can't be done.

I used a rear 30 spline factory limited slip in the front of a 95 axle I built recently. The LS came from the rear of a 90 one ton van with a FF60.

I got a 94 single 2500 4x4 but with the v10. Put on a flat bed extended the front arms 1 5/8" and run 42" Irocs with no lift. Truck is a good wheeler but a little to big for the trails around here. It also as 35 spline one piece axles in the front and seems to hold up pretty good.

I got a 94 single 2500 4x4 but with the v10. Put on a flat bed extended the front arms 1 5/8" and run 42" Irocs with no lift. Truck is a good wheeler but a little to big for the trails around here. It also as 35 spline one piece axles in the front and seems to hold up pretty good.

Could you do me a giant favor and post some pictures. I'm trying to picture a Ram w/ 42 irocs.

Here is a pic before the bed was done.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n77/jabnasty/DSCF0395.jpg

Here is a pic before the bed was done.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n77/jabnasty/DSCF0395.jpg

Nice. Kind of reminds me of a Super jeep in Iceland. Very will could possibly go for that. Need big tires, but don't like lifts.

I vote michelin XMLs = cheep. Longarm susp....but I htink you will have to build it as most of them seem weak. Someone correct me if you know otherwise, I eventually wanna go back to links/coils.

http://s142.photobucket.com/albums/r118/DavidWhymore/95Dodge/

http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/brandpages/dodge/131_0309_project_jinxy_part_1/bolting.html

Here is a pic before the bed was done.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n77/jabnasty/DSCF0395.jpg

I like this alot. PMd ya nasty

Sweet man.

Just installed a shift kit and works great. Decided I'm sticking with stock rims, since I'm stuck with 4.10's. So now I got to figure out whats the best tire I can get on a stock rim. Hopefully there is a Super Swamper TSL / BOGGER Mud Tire that'll fit. I'm gonna post some pictures after the tires, it looks quiet a bit different.

38x11.00x16 or 35x10.50x16.......Both are BOGGER sizes......

Anything up to 13" wide would be fine on 7" wide rims. (I used to run 12.5"s on 7")

Rear 60s suck. As does my 70. Find an 80 or build a 35 spline 70. Alloy shafts only, these things load the rear axle with a lot of weight while climbing.,


I would keep th 360 (if it runs ok) over a 4BT unless it was a dD. 6 bt of course is way cooler.

Cool truck Jabnasty. Phily, look for some Iroks, they'll fit fine on stock wheels, like ramv said, 12.5-13" wide sbouldnt be a prob.

Anything up to 13" wide would be fine on 7" wide rims. (I used to run 12.5"s on 7")

Rear 60s suck. As does my 70. Find an 80 or build a 35 spline 70. Alloy shafts only, these things load the rear axle with a lot of weight while climbing.,


I would keep th 360 (if it runs ok) over a 4BT unless it was a dD. 6 bt of course is way cooler.

Even w/ 35 Spline Chro Moly shafts a Dana 60 is gonna suck? I want this thing to have decent ballast so a 6bt or ISB is out of the question. A 4bt really is too, but right now it's having oil pressure issues.

Cool truck Jabnasty. Phily, look for some Iroks, they'll fit fine on stock wheels, like ramv said, 12.5-13" wide sbouldnt be a prob.

Ya I'm gonna keep my eyes open for that "can't refuse" deal.

I'm not really sure this thing should get IROCs being it won't be doing any rock climbing or anything. There is about a 10 ft of elevation change within a 50 mile range. I think it only needs a good mud tire.

Makes sense. They are just so popular that it seems there are some deals to be had on them, especially in the 16-17" range.

Makes sense. They are just so popular that it seems there are some deals to be had on them, especially in the 16-17" range.

If I find a really good deal it might still get them. I imagine ran on really low tire pressure they should be better than MT tires.

I wouldn't run a rear 60 in a fullsize. 9 3/4" ring gear will break before your shafts if you 35 spline chro mos. My 70 actually had broken 3.55s when I bought it from the previous CTD owner. It still had stock 32 spline shafts.

If you are doing a high torque motor, I would consider an 80, otherwise a 70 with 35 spline chromo shafts or a stock 14 bolt.

I wouldn't run a rear 60 in a fullsize. 9 3/4" ring gear will break before your shafts if you 35 spline chro mos. My 70 actually had broken 3.55s when I bought it from the previous CTD owner. It still had stock 32 spline shafts.

If you are doing a high torque motor, I would consider an 80, otherwise a 70 with 35 spline chromo shafts or a stock 14 bolt.

No high torque motor. Traction w/ Snow, Ice and Mud and is what this is being built for. No rock crawling or anything, there isn't any rocks to crawl over. All we got around here are ditches. I've never heard of the rear Dana 60's and Dana 70's having so much problems, kind of confusing.

Just a lot of weight for small parts. Burnouts on pavement is probably what killed my 3.55s. The 9 3/4" D60s I have seen break have been with decent low range gear in climbing situations. Now without rocks, you may be ok, but bouncing a lot of weight locked up and on the throttle in low range *could* be hard on the 60.

I personally would go 70 with 35 spliners, but I am sure 60 could survive if you are careful. If you keep the 30 spline shafts, you won't break the R+p probably.

Just a lot of weight for small parts. Burnouts on pavement is probably what killed my 3.55s. The 9 3/4" D60s I have seen break have been with decent low range gear in climbing situations. Now without rocks, you may be ok, but bouncing a lot of weight locked up and on the throttle in low range *could* be hard on the 60.

I personally would go 70 with 35 spliners, but I am sure 60 could survive if you are careful. If you keep the 30 spline shafts, you won't break the R+p probably.

Yea it is going to get good treatment. And now that you say that about 30 spline shafts, I'm thinking about keeping them since axle shafts are easier to replace to than RP and 30 Spline D-60 shafts aren't hard to come by either.

I should also add the lust the for a 60 in the rear vs 70 or 80 is the need for selectable lockers. I'm not sure Detroit lockers would do good pulling a camper and I'm not sold on ARB's. So it's either gonna get Ox or E Lockers.

Here is the update. Bedlined the entire thing. Put some worn MT tires on. Shift kit is in (alittle too aggressive). Front and rear axles got serviced as well as the T-case and transmission and engine. Alcoa wheels or some other shiny rims will be next w/ Mud Bogger Super Swampers.

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww318/phily911diesel/Bake%20On/Bacon001.jpg

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Cool.

Wow that's a lot of bedliner!:eek:

Shweeeeeet......

Cool.

Ya I liked the way it looked on your truck. This had a fair amount of dents, dings, stratches and rust. So it made sense on this, and took away quiet a bit of eye-sores.

Wow that's a lot of bedliner!:eek:

Shweeeeeet......

Ya. And on the directions when it says to wear gloves. They mean it. This shit does not come off your hands.

HaHa, that's like the label on POR-15 that states not to try to remove it because time is the only thing that will get it off. Yeah, I didn't read that until like the 5th time i used it :homer:

For those wondering on the thought process of this rig and why I wanted a D-60 rear is: I'm wanting a 4x4 with a full floating rear axle with a selectable locker, other than ARB. May not seem bright, but I want to pull a triple axle camper easily.

I'm probably days away from ripping out the engine and replacing the bottom end, or whatever is causing it to loose oil pressure.

Next will be the cheapest topper I can find for it, (and bed liner that too).

Followed by news tires on my set of 4 spare rims I got from parting out other 2nd Gens.:D
Then I won't have to worry about wearing the mud tires, when I don't need them.

I do have one problem. Odd problem. I think I went alittle crazy with the shift kit. I'm thinking I need to tame it down. No sure how to go about doing that. With these Dodge Transmissions 99.999% of the time it's the other way around, people wanting firmer shifts. I need something alittle softer, I'm a fragile human.

Just out of cureosity, how much did it cost to get the entire truck bedlined? did you spray it or rollit on?