or a website works good to


thanks

www.summitracing.com
www.jegs.com

www.google.com --- term "line lock"
lots of results.

Chief, I gotta ask, are you the PBB retard poster boy or something? :flipoff2:

This is the Mico Lever lock...
http://www.rocketcityoffroad.com/mico
http://www.rocketcityoffroad.com/mico2
http://www.rocketcityoffroad.com/mico3

http://www.mico.com

Mo

Originally posted by Slagburn

Chief, I gotta ask, are you the PBB retard poster boy or something? :flipoff2:



thanks guys


why yes... yes I am


:D

;)
:shortbus:
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how long will a line lock hold? Overnight?

depend if you have leaky brakes or not:eek:

Originally posted by rocktop
depend if you have leaky brakes or not:eek:
I'm putting in all new brakes and brake line. i don't have an e-brake so i was thinking about a line lock.

Im thinking of doing a line lock on my junk. Depends on how much its gonna cost me. This is a good thread.
Anyone else got pics?
Scott

Line locks are great! Mike S installed one in my truck that isn't electrical and has held the brakes overnight without problems. They are far superior to cable e-brakes. They hold so well that I need to make sure the brake is off before I go otherwise I'll twist off a driveshaft or break 1-1/2" D60 axle!

However they can't be feathered like a cable e-brake for takeoffs up hills.

Line locks lock all wheels but line locks are useless with the aformentioned leaky brake system and are TOTALLY USELESS with a cracked master cylinder.

I really like my line lock. But I also miss my cable activiated e-brake redundancy.

My 2 bits.

Originally posted by Ketchup Dog
...... Depends on how much its gonna cost me.
Scott

The downside to the Mico Locks is the price. I paid $250.00 for the lever style, and about $175.00 for the electric 5yrs ago.

After weighing out how much we spend on mods for our rigs, it didnt seem bad having good 'parking brakes' that keep you planted on a hill... I would have gone with the anti-roll type but those were not intended for use for prolonged periods of time.

Mo

This is the one I'm using, works great. Cheap too. http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=14754&BQ=jcw2

If a guy were to choose an electric line lock,would it hold for a day or two or three?How much current do they draw?

Wouldent want to wake up in the morning to find my rig parked in the middle of the street:eek:

But if they work as well as stated,the right one would probably work as an anti theft device?

and do the electric ones work for all for wheels or would you have to get two?

Originally posted by 350 Samurai
This is the one I'm using, works great. Cheap too. http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=14754&BQ=jcw2

CHEAP being the key word. I hate my Jamar and consider it junk. I have to losen a fitting to bleed pressure off to unlock it. I'm going to go to a Mico eventually.

I got these elec ones from Summit for about 40 buck each, pumbed them in for steering brakes. Don't think I'd trust any line lock to hold for long periods of time.

Go to the home improvement store and find a small ball valve. Then just plumb that into the rear brake line.

cost me about $10...
Ok, so I'm a cheap b@st@rd, but it works.

Even cheaper.

A former 'aquaintance' had a done the following.

On your brake pedal, about half way up, he drilled a hole in the arm. Then, he took a piece of sturdy rod, bent a short 'L' in it and installed it in the brake arm. The rod is then sent up towards the dash.

On the dash, he mounted a little u-bolt looking thingy (about 1" wide) to thread the rod through. Then he installed a bolt with a big hand turning head on it.

Now, when he wanted parking brakes. He pushed the brake down to the floor, the rod would move with it, he'd crank the rod tight against the bolt, and he had 'four wheel' emergency brakes.

It worked amazingly well, for a beast that weighed an easy 3.5 tons, on any hill that he parked it on.


Kind of like this....

I´m gonna throw a wrench in all of this by saying that it´d be really risky to think that line locks will hold for 2 or 3 days like a mechanical parking brake. Even the slightest leak, or even internal blow-by in the master cylinder, will result in brake release........

Line locks are great as an anti-theft or an auxiliary e-brake. But as a long-term parking brake, be careful.........

.......flame suit on.........

Originally posted by vova
how long will a line lock hold? Overnight?

ive heard of some people that have been lucky...
but personaly out of the 200-300 or so that ive seen installed most kick off after an hour or so. most are setup as a short term device for use in drag racing etc, and the manufactures arnt to worryed about heat build up, they do not build them with more expensive continuous duty parts. usualy what hapens is they get left on, they heat up from lack of heatsink, the resistance builds up, they ckick off, some times they start to flutter.. any way you look at it you loose presure! DO NOT USE ELECTRIC LINE LOCKS IN PLACE OF PARKING BRAKES! mico's are the only hydolic ones i might trust, but im scetchy about overnight use on those to...

Originally posted by PYRO
I got these elec ones from Summit for about 40 buck each, pumbed them in for steering brakes. Don't think I'd trust any line lock to hold for long periods of time.

Nice diff cover ya got there.........:rainbow: :girly:

:flipoff2: :D

Originally posted by IndyCJ
Even cheaper.

A former 'aquaintance' had a done the following.

On your brake pedal, about half way up, he drilled a hole in the arm. Then, he took a piece of sturdy rod, bent a short 'L' in it and installed it in the brake arm. The rod is then sent up towards the dash.

On the dash, he mounted a little u-bolt looking thingy (about 1" wide) to thread the rod through. Then he installed a bolt with a big hand turning head on it.

Now, when he wanted parking brakes. He pushed the brake down to the floor, the rod would move with it, he'd crank the rod tight against the bolt, and he had 'four wheel' emergency brakes.

It worked amazingly well, for a beast that weighed an easy 3.5 tons, on any hill that he parked it on.


Kind of like this....


Not bad,but if you run break lights they will be on the whole time
as well.

Originally posted by billj


Nice diff cover ya got there.........:rainbow: :girly:

:flipoff2: :D

Who the fuck are you and why should I care what the fuck you think? My rig will kick ass on your rig any day of the week, no matter what color the diff cover is. What a prick to say something just to start some shit. :mad3:
You got anything to contrubute to this thread or you just going to talk out of your ass. If you feel the need to open that asshole you call a mouth, talk about linelocks or shut the fuck up!!!!! :mad3:

Originally posted by billj


Nice diff cover ya got there.........:rainbow: :girly:

:flipoff2: :D

Nothing like helpful tech info...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by PYRO


Who the fuck are you and why should I care what the fuck you think? My rig will kick ass on your rig any day of the week, no matter what color the diff cover is. What a prick to say something just to start some shit. :mad3:
You got anything to contrubute to this thread or you just going to talk out of your ass. If you feel the need to open that asshole you call a mouth, talk about linelocks or shut the fuck up!!!!! :mad3:

Kyriiiist, what the hell crawled up yo ass ´n died?!?!?!?

Just in case you didn´t know:
:flipoff2: = just good natured fawking around

Lighten the fawk up, fer gawds sake. You´ll end up havin a brain explosion if´n you don´t lower your testosterone levels a bit...:flipoff2:

BTW, I have particpated technically in this thread as well...........

Originally posted by ROCKTACO



Not bad,but if you run break lights they will be on the whole time
as well.

True... Perhaps some sort of a switch to turn them off or something? I dunno. It worked pretty damn good, especially considering that you have 4 wheel e-brakes now.

Originally posted by billj


Nice diff cover ya got there.........:rainbow: :girly:

:flipoff2: :D

Them's looks like fighting words/symbols and an insult to me also, Pyro.
No matter if o'le Brazil Bill thinks he can erase them with a 'hey, just kidding'. I'd be pissed too.

Wise up, idiots. You can only take talking trash so far ...
... and that was way over the line.
Try that in a bar sometime, Bill boy. And smile while yer at it.
I'd like to watch you get yer lites kicked out.:D

Originally posted by Jaffer


Them's looks like fighting words/symbols and an insult to me also, Pyro.
No matter if o'le Brazil Bill thinks he can erase them with a 'hey, just kidding'. I'd be pissed too.

Wise up, idiots. You can only take talking trash so far ...
... and that was way over the line.
Try that in a bar sometime, Bill boy. And smile while yer at it.
I'd like to watch you get yer lites kicked out.:D


Try what in a bar?? Kidding around that some accessory on some guy´s 4x4 is :rainbow: ??? The people that I hang around with would just laugh it off and come back with some other wisecrack. Looks like you´d get all huffy-puffy. Are you all REALLY that sensitive??

Great, if you wanna measure your manlihood by the color of your diff cover, so be it. I WAS just fawking around.

Boy, talk about blowing shite outta proportion...:rolleyes:

:crybaby:

Originally posted by snobrder
Go to the home improvement store and find a small ball valve. Then just plumb that into the rear brake line.

cost me about $10...
Ok, so I'm a cheap b@st@rd, but it works.

I'd like to see pics of that, otherwise I'm calling BS. You'd have to get someone to hold the brakes while you got out, opened the hood, and turned the valve. Talk about a PITA! Also, I haven't seen many ball valves that were the same size as brake lines, so you'd have to do some mad modifying to reduce it. It seems like you'd end up with a very large, ugly pile of fittings under your hood that probably won't work worth a damn anyway. If I'm wrong, then so be it, but I'd like to see it.

Back to linelocks, my buddies use them on race cars a lot, and yes I have seen them leak down after a few hours. This is on a brand new brake system. Like it's already be pointed out, they aren't really designed for extended (overnight) use.

Don't waste your time or money on the Jamar brake lock! These suck and are cheap. More than once mine has locked itself on and I had to crack open a brake line to release the pressure.

Also there is no visible sign that it is on which leads to driving around/trying to drive with it locked and breaking something or smoking your brakes.
Just my $.02 and from a certified Newbie like myself that's all you can get!

Originally posted by uglyscout
Just my $.02

Would you like your change?

Why would you put it under the hood in the first place? You'd do it just like any other mechanical brake lock and plumb it to the dash or something.

Originally posted by Dieselmh


I'd like to see pics of that, otherwise I'm calling BS. You'd have to get someone to hold the brakes while you got out, opened the hood, and turned the valve. Talk about a PITA! Also, I haven't seen many ball valves that were the same size as brake lines, so you'd have to do some mad modifying to reduce it. .

Originally posted by Dieselmh


I'd like to see pics of that, otherwise I'm calling BS. You'd have to get someone to hold the brakes while you got out, opened the hood, and turned the valve. Talk about a PITA! Also, I haven't seen many ball valves that were the same size as brake lines, so you'd have to do some mad modifying to reduce it. It seems like you'd end up with a very large, ugly pile of fittings under your hood that probably won't work worth a damn anyway. If I'm wrong, then so be it, but I'd like to see it.


The ballvalve sits between the seats and is attached to the floor with a u-shaped piece of threaded rod. Just cut the rear brake line that is even with where you want the valve, add line over under the seat or even just inside the door jam, drill the holes for the line to go thru the floor and hook it up. All I do is press the pedal and reach to my right and turn the valve or close the valve and then press the brakes so it only actuates the fronts.

Yeah, I had to get a few fittings to change the connections, but it works great. I use it on my comp Jeep. As for the ugly pile of fittings, the only thing you see in the jeep is a little valve sitting between the seats. Simple :D

Dudes, just checked out some info over her and it is helpful. The dude I got my rear axle from cut up the e-brakes 9sucks), so I am going for a hydro setup as well. Probably put the cables back on later, but a manual will work for me. would not trust on teh electric setu, though, putting too much trust on A electrical system not failing, or battery draining, or B brake hydraulic system failing. Go manual, I will go manual and depend on just one which seems teh safer bet IMO :D

G

http://www.jcwhitney.com/images/imagecache/I2185.gif

I ran a Jamar in my Willys for years and it always worked flawlessly. In fact, it still does. The guy I sold it to still uses it. It's plumbed in the dash and I have left it engaged for months and it held just fine. Couldn't budge Willy till I disengaged the lock by pressing on the brake pedal. Never had a problem with it and it's been on the rig for at least 6 years... :eek: It's the same one in the pic... From JC whitney

This subject seems to come every couple of months.
FWIW,,, any type of hydraulic brake line lock is not a substiitute for and emergency brake...
By Federal Law, (FMVSS) the emergency must be mechanically applied and locked...
That said I have a Micro Lever Lock installed on my rig and it is very handy for temperary parking and mid-hill take off with a manual transmission. Does away with the three pedal tango completely, love it....09

Originally posted by snobrder
Go to the home improvement store and find a small ball valve. Then just plumb that into the rear brake line.

cost me about $10...
Ok, so I'm a cheap b@st@rd, but it works.

Originally posted by Dieselmh


I'd like to see pics of that, otherwise I'm calling BS. You'd have to get someone to hold the brakes while you got out, opened the hood, and turned the valve. Talk about a PITA! Also, I haven't seen many ball valves that were the same size as brake lines, so you'd have to do some mad modifying to reduce it. It seems like you'd end up with a very large, ugly pile of fittings under your hood that probably won't work worth a damn anyway. If I'm wrong, then so be it, but I'd like to see it.

Back to linelocks, my buddies use them on race cars a lot, and yes I have seen them leak down after a few hours. This is on a brand new brake system. Like it's already be pointed out, they aren't really designed for extended (overnight) use.

This has already been discussed in a different thread. A valve with proper specifications, which you are NOT going to find at Home Despot fo $10 will work fine. Two tees and a check valve will negate the need to turn the valve while holding down the brake pedal.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141249

Sorry but I didn't read every post, fore-warned.
The Mico electro-locks do not draw current once activated, that's why they cost sooo much. A line lock like launch controls for drag racing do draw current to keep closed. The soleniod will heat up after a long time and burn up. Most racing line locks are rebuildable for that reason.
The lever locks are really nice as long as you can find a decent place to put it without running brakeline everywhere.
If you like going on sponser trail runs, many are frowning on line locks of any kind now, of course if you hide a lever or switch, they'll never know the better.
My buddy is using the one from J.C.Whit with the key for theft prevention and he says it works really good.
Don't trust them though, they will bleed down.

Originally posted by Dieselmh
I'd like to see pics of that, otherwise I'm calling BS. You'd have to get someone to hold the brakes while you got out, opened the hood, and turned the valve. Talk about a PITA! Also, I haven't seen many ball valves that were the same size as brake lines, so you'd have to do some mad modifying to reduce it. It seems like you'd end up with a very large, ugly pile of fittings under your hood that probably won't work worth a damn anyway. If I'm wrong, then so be it, but I'd like to see it.

Back to linelocks, my buddies use them on race cars a lot, and yes I have seen them leak down after a few hours. This is on a brand new brake system. Like it's already be pointed out, they aren't really designed for extended (overnight) use.

you don't know what your talking about. there are very small hydraulic valves out there. I run a Swagelok with just the valve handle coming through the side of my driver seat bracket. Drilled one small hole under the seat to plumb the lines into the cab.

when it is on w/ discs, you better remember to turn it off before trying to drive, b/c your not going anywhere. (its loud powering through it in low when you forget)

The Jamar is junk IMO, I went through two of them while others have had no probs??? Valves are just a simple and less prone to failure than the other styles by design.

as mentioned, a great line lock read: THREAD (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141249)

here is your pic:

Originally posted by IndyCJ
Even cheaper.

A former 'aquaintance' had a done the following.

On your brake pedal, about half way up, he drilled a hole in the arm. Then, he took a piece of sturdy rod, bent a short 'L' in it and installed it in the brake arm. The rod is then sent up towards the dash.

On the dash, he mounted a little u-bolt looking thingy (about 1" wide) to thread the rod through. Then he installed a bolt with a big hand turning head on it.

Now, when he wanted parking brakes. He pushed the brake down to the floor, the rod would move with it, he'd crank the rod tight against the bolt, and he had 'four wheel' emergency brakes.

It worked amazingly well, for a beast that weighed an easy 3.5 tons, on any hill that he parked it on.


Kind of like this....

It might work great but (well from the drawing anyway) it's fu(?ing scary IMO. If the rod got a burr and it stuck it could make life interesting. I would be cautious of this and not just for on road but even for a trail rig. I can imagine going over a steep down hill and riding the breaks to drop slow over an edge and all of the sudden it starts going over so you let off of the breaks and hit the gas to keep from going over and the breaks stick, over you go.
I am not saying that it's death on a stick but I would be careful of this.

PS that cover stock? It's funny looking (not :rainbow: , does not look stock funny) like maybe a thicker than stock but I have not ever seen one that a ring would fit that was thicker.