We are in finally building a small shop for installations with our new business!
30'x30'. 5" thick re-enforced crete. two 10'x10' doors on gutter side. 36"x80" Walk in door on side of shop. 11' walls.

Building permit came back on Friday, broke ground today!

Crete is being poured Wed. Building starts going up Monday or Tuesday of next week.


Progress Pictures...

Mapping out location and size:
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Breaking ground:
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Progress after day 1:
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That will be nice, what is the business?

Delmarva Offroad. Just doing local work as well as building up some retail lines as well. Setup with a bunch of manufactors now.

Cool, another shop build. :grinpimp:

Terrible to admit, but I like the shop builds as much as I like the rig builds, maybe more:laughing:

Will be following this closley, I am planning on building a similar sized garage at our house. It looks like you are just pouring a slap, do you have footers as well fo rthe outside walls?

30X30? Why the fawk bother? You're either gonna be outgrowing it instantly, or it's gonna be too small and you'll crash and burn.

I started out in 25X60 and outgrew it in four months.

I'm in 48 X 64 two stories and it's too small.

Good luck, I hope you have storage planned out otherwise you'll be tripping over stuff, or won't be able to keep anything around.

Started today by laying vapor barrier down and some wire for re-enforcement since we will be doing a 2 post lift shortly...
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Just waiting on inspection so we can pour tomorrow.


Yes I have an 18" footer all the way around:
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As for why just a 30x30... It is mostly for personal use since my business is mainly retailing parts with a small portion being installations and axles. If the business out grows a 30x30 I will be happy and move to a commercial area for a bigger shop but this is pretty much as big as I could build since it is in a residential area. Heck it is already going to be bigger than half the houses in the area!

Heck it is already going to be bigger than half the houses in the area!

My shop is 500 sq ft bigger than the house and that's just the first floor!

Looks nice, I hope you can keep it going. Do the zoning folks give you any grief?

My shop is 500 sq ft bigger than the house and that's just the first floor!

Looks nice, I hope you can keep it going. Do the zoning folks give you any grief?

Nope they approved everything and gave me the go ahead!

Inspector came this afternoon and gave the ok to pour.

Will be using 5" 4500PSI fiber and steel renforced with a 18" footer. Truck will be here at 8am.

Can you go higher with your walls? 11' seems kinda short considering you want a lift. A friend has 14' ceiling and a 2 post lift, he wishes he had about 2' more head room. Some trucks we can't lift all the way up.

I am using a steel building which has an open ceiling. Height shouldn't be a problem.

Beginning to pour:
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17 yards wasnt enough
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Completed
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is that supposed be like a sidewalk by the doors ??
and what's the pipe for ?

is that supposed be like a sidewalk by the doors ??
and what's the pipe for ?

Correct me if I'm wrong... it is where the garage doors tie into the leading edge of the slab that will be outside of the building. Presumably, a driveway will tie into that point.

The pipe is likely a drain of some sort.

is that supposed be like a sidewalk by the doors ??
and what's the pipe for ?

It is an apron, it will stick out past the building. If I connect a driveway it will tie into the apron there.
Pipe it to run electric underground then inside the building.

good luck with it,mines 30x50 and after my house is done,i'm adding on another 30x50 on the back.i have room to go bigger and the o.k. i should of just done it from the begining because i out grew the first one in less than a year,and i don't fab for a living.it's just my own personal rigs,toys and tools

update......

Sorry holiday weekend and rain put a delay on the building... Here is a shot from about 20 minutes ago. Should be able to finish the structure today if the rain holds off. Electric will be run next week.

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Lookin good and makin progress. You got a sketch for how you're going to lay out the interior?

Lookin good and makin progress. You got a sketch for how you're going to lay out the interior?

Not a clue haha I have an idea in my head though. Back wall will have work bench pretty much the entire length with plenty of outlets. Wall where the man door is will have a display down the wall for different products we stock. Tool box will be on the other side wall. Compressor sitting in the corner. Welder and plasma will be stored under the back bench while not in use.

For electric I will have outlets everyother piece of frame. A couple on the roof for the future lift and if I want drop down lights or something later. Outlet on the center post between doors on the exterior.

Windows were placed high enough that I shouldn't have to worry about breaking them and I don't want to worry about people jumping through them either.

nice

that skid steer is a nice machine.


looks good but i would have used #3 bars in the slab and not WWF. i just like rebar :D

that skid steer is a nice machine.


looks good but i would have used #3 bars in the slab and not WWF. i just like rebar :D

I figured between wire, 4000 lb mix, and fiber I should be alright...



Closer....
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Can you tell I'm getting excited

5 inches of reinforced concrete (wire sheets is good) is plenty good for passenger cars. Unless you were planning on doing heavy trucks all the time, you are already doing more than necessary. The fiber will only control surface cracking and doesn't help the overall stability of the concrete.

Shop is done (minus one problem). Inspector came today and passed the building! Once the rain stops today I am going to start on the interior (building benches and all) also got to still cut up the trees and limb I removed for the shop. Going to run electric next week hopefully.

Who can spot the problem here:
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The left door ended up being a foot too short even though it was labeled 10x10 with the same package and all as the other... I was not too happy to see that one.


More pics.
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I like, nice job.

killer shop...

I was gonna say the problem is no paved parking and anything going in and out is gonnag et the shop nasty... ask me how I know :shaking:

5 inches of reinforced concrete (wire sheets is good) is plenty good for passenger cars. Unless you were planning on doing heavy trucks all the time, you are already doing more than necessary. The fiber will only control surface cracking and doesn't help the overall stability of the concrete.


its ok, i just like rebar. i put rebar in everything hell even sidewalks. (i get it free or cheap off jobsites)

do you have any plans for ventilation? summer in our shop is pretty awful since the roof is sealed and we don't have any vents :shaking:

do you have any plans for ventilation? summer in our shop is pretty awful since the roof is sealed and we don't have any vents :shaking:

He has a door that is a foot short, now all he needs to do is leave a window open and he will have all the ventilation he desires :D:D

He has a door that is a foot short, now all he needs to do is leave a window open and he will have all the ventilation he desires :D:D

Exactly! I am hoping I can get away with just the two big doors, 4 windows, and the walk in door for ventilation. Maybe a big fan or something... I want to spend money on tools before HVAC stuff :D

for cooling, just throw a exhaust fan or 2 in thier she'll be alright.

Thought about pouring a small slab and building a room off the back for the air compressor? Sure helps with space inside the shop, and cuts down on the noise, too.

If you insulate the room good, your neighbors shouldn't complain too much, either.

what's the "problem"?

what's the "problem"?

The door on the left is a foot too short, so it won't close all the way.

Electric update: Going to upgrade the house to 320amp and run 200 off the house to the shop. Boxes and meter came in today. Going to trench and run lines to the shop on Friday. Power company should be here next Monday to swap over head lines. Then I just need to run everything in doors and I should be good!

How much did the building run ya?

Electric update: Going to upgrade the house to 320amp and run 200 off the house to the shop. Boxes and meter came in today. Going to trench and run lines to the shop on Friday. Power company should be here next Monday to swap over head lines. Then I just need to run everything in doors and I should be good!


I'd at least drop some Cat5 in that trench. Have you thought about dropping PCV pipe in trench to fish future wires and such from house to shop?

If you run CAT5 in a trench unarmored you're going to be wasting money.

If you run CAT5 in a trench next to a 200AMP service it's pretty much just going to be a pretty pinstripe accent for the 200amp line.

Cat5 doesnt even like to be run in the same 16" on center frame as 110v 15amp wire.

If you run CAT5 in a trench unarmored you're going to be wasting money.

If you run CAT5 in a trench next to a 200AMP service it's pretty much just going to be a pretty pinstripe accent for the 200amp line.

Cat5 doesnt even like to be run in the same 16" on center frame as 110v 15amp wire.


I knew there was a reason I am not a computer Geek (LOL)

Nah, I just did a lot of research before putting in all my CAT5..

Methinks a lot of it is probably geeks being over cautious, but putting it in a trench with a 220v200amp line is def gonna have some extra noise.

Starting to get some stuff settled in... Jeep has found its home inside and started to build a few new benches.
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More wire, meter, conduit, and box to go in tomorrow.
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Ran a trench yesterday and got the new wire laid in.
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Tomorrow the power is being cut to the house. House will be upgraded to 320 and will be branching 200 amp to the shop from the house. Then I just need to wire everything inside, figure out my lighting, and I should be about done for now.

Ran power out to the shop today. Also ordered lighting stuff for the shop as well.

Will be using 9 105W CFLs with screw in houses and 12" reflectors.

Will have three rows of three. Outside rows on one switch, center row on a seperate switch.
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Good job nice shop man ! the only thing i can see that your not gonna like is the shop! should of figured out how big you wanted it and at least doubled it ,ask me how i know!! good job and quick work tho

Updates! Yes it is 2AM and yes I just finished some wiring haha.

New meter:
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Line going to trench to shop:
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Breaker Box:
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Hey look, my truck fits!
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Light Switch location. Switch 1 (there now) is exterior lights. Switch 2 will be part of the overhead lights. Switch 3 will be the rest of the over head lights.
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Exterior lamp over door (dusk to dawn)
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Motion Sensor/Full Time exterior light. Can switch from motion to full time if I want to work on something outside.
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View from the street:
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Hooked up an over head light above a work bench. Also have a 15 Amp outlet right there as well.
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More stuff waiting to go in:
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Wire, outlets, and switches are relatively cheap and THIS is the time to put them in. Don't cheap now - you'll regret not installing more later. Add outlets every 4 feet - you won't use them all at once, but you'll have the ability to not drag extension cords all over.

Wire, outlets, and switches are relatively cheap and THIS is the time to put them in. Don't cheap now - you'll regret not installing more later. Add outlets every 4 feet - you won't use them all at once, but you'll have the ability to not drag extension cords all over.

Yes I plan to add a ton more this weekend. I just have a customer coming in on Saturday for a locker install so I needed to get something in place to have it inspected.

There will be 5 outlets on the back wall (normal 110s). 4 on each side wall. I will also have have 220 outlets for the welder and plasma cutter on each wall as wall.

Do yourself a favor. As previously posted: put in MORE than you could ever imagine using. That will be about right.

In my shop I put in a 2 gang outlet (4 plugs) every 4 feet. It has been nice. 2 welder plugs per wall.

Same thing with lights, the more the better.

Well my buddy Scott (thats an electician) stopped by today and after he finished laughing he helped me out...

Re-wired that bench light:
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Added boxes to the exterior lights:
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Also since I has some 14-3 we could use one wire for both light circuits to help clean up the wall.
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Inside of the box. My side vs Scott's side :doh:
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Started on the boxes for the over head lights. Making 9 of these. 3 rows of 3 and they will sit between the rafters.
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What company did you order the building from. I like how the ribs in the panels run horizonital. It makes it look like siding and helps to fit into a residential area. I think that may ne a huge consideration getting past a zoning issue, to make it look like a garage instead of a regular steel building. Nice job only one problem I don't see the beer fridge yet. Enjoy your building. I can't wait until next summer when I build mine.

Wow... unprotected NM run like that sure wouldn't cut it around my neck of the woods. You'd get a big FAIL on your inspection report here.

yep! same here.everything has to be piped and bx for a shop/more than residential.

I would've have definetly gone w/ e.m.t. and mc cable w/ steel boxes as opposed to romex and the plastic boxes. Is scott a residential/new construction guy or commercial? Nice looking shop though man!

I would've have definetly gone w/ e.m.t. and mc cable w/ steel boxes as opposed to romex and the plastic boxes. Is scott a residential/new construction guy or commercial? Nice looking shop though man!

I wouldn't go with anything short of EMT. Even though MC is in the category of armoured cables, have you ever hit a piece of MC with say.. the end of a piece of angle iron or other structural iron that you were swinging around the shop? The sheath on MC is real thin and it doesn't take much of a hit to completely crush the "armoured" sheath, pinch the wires and break the insulation. EMT is definatley the way to go for that type of environment.

Romex is already bought so I am hoping it lasts. Next year the interior will be finished with insulation and ply board and sheet rock.

Rented some scafolding for the weekend. Getting all my over head shit done this weekend.

Romex is already bought so I am hoping it lasts. Next year the interior will be finished with insulation and ply board and sheet rock.

Rented some scafolding for the weekend. Getting all my over head shit done this weekend.

Finishing the walls would definately help with protection, but around here, that still wouldn't fly. When I finished my basement, I didn't want to worry about treated lumber or the possibility of rot, so I used metal studs to fur out the walls, etc. Romex is NOT allowed by local code enforcement for use with metal studs... it is too easy for the sharp metal edges, etc. to cut the soft romex insulation. If you want to use metal studs, you have to use AC, MC, or some other armoured cable or pipe it all with EMT. I would think that the metal construction of your building and the use of romex would draw similar criticism around here.

On top of that, there are code requirements for the protection of exposed wiring in a garage or shop type area. Your codes enforcement there must be a LOT more relaxed than it is around here. If that was done here, you'd have to rip all of it out and replace it all before you get it passed by the inspectors.

I guess code is more relaxed here. Romex is fine and just needs to be tied to the supoort beams.


On another note, friday night at 11PM I get a call that the installers are at the shop to install the new garage door. I leave the bar, come back, and they put up the new one and didn't bring hardware for the door! :mad3:

I also rented some scafolding this weekend. Getting all the over head down now.

Got the over head lights wired up. Just waiting for them to come in (hopefully tomorrow)
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Second bench light where my other bench will be:
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View from the street:
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I think your lighting choices and layout/design are seriously lacking.. but you'll realize that soon enough :shrug:

No way on earth I'd be putting in incandescent lights - nowhere hear bright enough and waste way too much energy.

Even just four good 8' fixtures would have given you plenty of light and pretty much eliminated any need for "bench" lighting.

I think your lighting choices and layout/design are seriously lacking.. but you'll realize that soon enough :shrug:

No way on earth I'd be putting in incandescent lights - nowhere hear bright enough and waste way too much energy.

Even just four good 8' fixtures would have given you plenty of light and pretty much eliminated any need for "bench" lighting.

We shall see, I have heard great reviews from people using these.
50x100 shop
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Lights ended up on back order but are going out today they said. The bench lights may or may not be needed but I figured it would be worth it to put them in for some extra light and to help incase their are any shadows.

Electric Inspector just stopped by. Passed, even with zip tires and romex. :flipoff2: Only problem was the ground wire needed to be bonded with the structure as well since it is steel.

Light finally came in today. I am very happy with the amount of light in the shop! Turned out great and very cost effective.

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Plenty of light while working under rigs as well.
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holy crap ! what kind of lights are those ?

holy crap ! what kind of lights are those ?

Bright ones (LOL)

http://www.1000bulbs.com/images/FC105-81180-600x.jpg

Manufacturer Sunlite Manufacturer's Part # 5593
Product Description CFL Spring Lamp Wattage 105 Watt
Voltage 120 Volt Incandescent Equal 400 Watt
Base Type Standard Medium Color Rendering Index 80
Color Temperature (Kelvin) Full Spectrum Daylight 6500K Diameter 3.98 in.
Over all Length (M.O.L) 11.0 in. Life Hours (Avg) 8000
Lumens (Initial) 5000 UL Listed Compact Fluorescent



I have those and a 12" reflector w/ standard screw in mounts. All in all it is about $36 a fixture... 9 fixtures... about $325 for the entire shop!

Close up of the light. That is a 12" reflector for referance:
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The pic without bulbs installed made me think that there wasn't going tp be enough lighting, but that view from the street with the lights on was impressive!

I said to myself; self, those are as bright as 'metal halides', but that can't be. Not in porcelain rosettes. Just might have to do some light remodeling. One at a time though.
Oh, and the example shop, did'ja notice the nice conduit layout?
Nice shop you have there!!

:beer:

Oh, and the example shop, did'ja notice the nice conduit layout?
Nice shop you have there!!

Yeah, i was going to do the same but the shop will be getting walls within a year.

Thanks for the comments.

i think the floor is crooked judging buy how you put the sticker on your cap:flipoff2:


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Its a speed slant :flipoff2:

Trying to design a logo so didn't feel like wasting more vinyl just to reprint it.


On another note, congrads in the comps this year. Looks like your rig came together real nicely, a little skill too. :flipoff2:

Close up of the light. That is a 12" reflector for referance:
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Just to be sure, will these screw into a std outlet? This is a great find as I've been struggling with good lighting in my study area and need something badly for the garage where i do light duty weekend fab in the rental I'm in for now (can't really modify it with a bunch of hanging tube lights).

http://www.1000bulbs.com/images/FC105-81180-600x.jpg

Manufacturer Sunlite Manufacturer's Part # 5593
Product Description CFL Spring Lamp Wattage 105 Watt
Voltage 120 Volt Incandescent Equal 400 Watt
Base Type Standard Medium Color Rendering Index 80
Color Temperature (Kelvin) Full Spectrum Daylight 6500K Diameter 3.98 in.
Over all Length (M.O.L) 11.0 in. Life Hours (Avg) 8000
Lumens (Initial) 5000 UL Listed Compact Fluorescent



I have those and a 12" reflector w/ standard screw in mounts. All in all it is about $36 a fixture... 9 fixtures... about $325 for the entire shop!

Cool setup.

Looking @ them http://www.1000bulbs.com/105-Watt-Compact-Fluorescent/31681/ it looks like they would work better for tall ceiling garages... if your ceiling is 10' these things + mount and reflectors hanging down 1' seems like not much room to toss the light around :confused:

Gotta love the color the 6500K temp bulbs put out... HID white :D

Yes they screw into standard housing. My housings I got for $1.49 a piece at Lowes are rated for 250 watts. These are 105.

And also they do hang down about a foot with the light, reflector, and housing. I may end up re-working them to raise them up into the ceiling once the lift gets here.


I kind of put some of the finishing details and wiring on hold so we could get back to work...
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By the way the picture was at about 1 AM, bright as fuck!

Awesome.

I`m gonna snag one of their 85 or 65 versions for my office that has vaulted ceilings :smokin:

Long time with no update... This weekend I finally finished my wiring with outlets on all the walls. Each wall has its own circuit, there is also one for the welder/plasma with an outlet on each wall, and one more for the compressor. All are also GFI protected.

Side 1. Has the shop computer, shelves with random parts and such, and of course the beer fridge for those late nights in the shop.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m206/mferrari20/DelmarvaOffroad/Shop/DSC_6115.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m206/mferrari20/DelmarvaOffroad/Shop/DSC_6114.jpg

Other side of the shop:
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m206/mferrari20/DelmarvaOffroad/Shop/DSC_6121.jpg

Welding table area:
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m206/mferrari20/DelmarvaOffroad/Shop/DSC_6120.jpg

Had a bunch of random banners sitting around from our dealer accounts so I decided to hang them up along the sides too.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m206/mferrari20/DelmarvaOffroad/Shop/DSC_6119.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m206/mferrari20/DelmarvaOffroad/Shop/DSC_6117.jpg

We design lighting in Commercial Office spaces to be 1.5 watts per square foot. Your current setup is around 2.5 watts per square foot, which should be plenty bright (and it is, duh). There's your Engineering seal of approval. :flipoff2:

Looks real good! Not sure if you have done this, I would ground your building steel using the same size ground as your panel and drive a 5/8" copper rod into the ground about 6' to 10' deep.

We design lighting in Commercial Office spaces to be 1.5 watts per square foot. Your current setup is around 2.5 watts per square foot, which should be plenty bright (and it is, duh). There's your Engineering seal of approval. :flipoff2:

Looks real good! Not sure if you have done this, I would ground your building steel using the same size ground as your panel and drive a 5/8" copper rod into the ground about 6' to 10' deep.

Sweet. Brightness is prefect for me inside.

so jealous.

I like that the shop matches the house. I'm looking at houses right now and just can't understand why people don't make them match. Paint is cheap.

Looks great but I agree... too small.

Never saw the answer to who you bought the building from and how much the cost of the building by itself? I'm considering this type of structure. Also curious to see insulation.

I think your lighting choices and layout/design are seriously lacking.. but you'll realize that soon enough :shrug:

No way on earth I'd be putting in incandescent lights - nowhere hear bright enough and waste way too much energy.

Even just four good 8' fixtures would have given you plenty of light and pretty much eliminated any need for "bench" lighting.

How is what he is using an incandescent light?

He's not, but at the time DRM posted that the only information given in regards to the type of lighting being used was a picture of bases that you screw incandescent bulbs into. It was an assumption based on that.

Never saw the answer to who you bought the building from and how much the cost of the building by itself? I'm considering this type of structure. Also curious to see insulation.

Carolina Carports built it. Roughly $12,000 with windows, doors, and installation.

Have not insulated it yet but it needs to be done badly.


I have a 2 post lift that should be here on Friday. I'll post some pics once it is up

Sha-Bam!
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m206/mferrari20/DelmarvaOffroad/Shop/83e59a52.jpg

Ok its 2:30 and just finished the install. time for sleep

Sha-Bam!
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m206/mferrari20/DelmarvaOffroad/Shop/83e59a52.jpg

Ok its 2:30 and just finished the install. time for sleep


Drool......... drool........... My Jeep will be beg-n for this lift. :)

Nice work on the shop. I keep referencing the lights to add as secondaries for my primary CFLs.

Nice lift, who is the manufacturer? Specs? I'm watching lift threads heavily as I'll be adding one to my shop when I get it all tied in, insulated, and powered.

Nice job on the shop! I didn't think the 11' ceiling height would be enough for a hoist but looks like it fits nicely:smokin:

Insulation plans and finishing? - - Spray foam and steel sheeting or ??

My current shop is 16'x34' and is just comfortable for working on a single vehicle. Next time I would go 34'x34' so don't have to pull the rig outside every time I fab up something or need to do an oil change on my DD.

Fills up quickly when you get all your tools, tables, beer fridge and other crap inside!!

Cheers.

Sha-Bam!
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m206/mferrari20/DelmarvaOffroad/Shop/83e59a52.jpg

Ok its 2:30 and just finished the install. time for sleep

That's a mighty hefty pizza box stand. :flipoff2:

Quick question about those cool lights:

I haven't gone on the referenced site, but do they say anything about operating in colder temperatures?
They seem like they would put out enough heat to keep them warm on their own, but what about starting up in the morning after a cold night?

I know standard fluorescents tend to take a lng time to warm up, my 4 footers sometimes will just flicker forever if it's too cold in there.

You got a link or part number to the reflectors you used for the lights? Can't find them on the site.

Quick question about those cool lights:

I haven't gone on the referenced site, but do they say anything about operating in colder temperatures?
They seem like they would put out enough heat to keep them warm on their own, but what about starting up in the morning after a cold night?

I know standard fluorescents tend to take a lng time to warm up, my 4 footers sometimes will just flicker forever if it's too cold in there.

We had the coldest winter in a while down here (by cold for us it was around 20 degree most of the time with a few days of a little colder). At start up they were dim but within 5 minutes they at full brightness.


I'll trying to find a part number on the reflectors.

Hey Delmarva, just a quick note on those compact bulbs... make sure that your not flipping them on for just a minute and then turning them off. I've got a ton in my house and within a year of installing them the ones in my bathroom started to die. Curious I did some research and basically the ballasts go out before the bulbs do if you flip 'em on and off for second just to find something. So don't do what I did and leave them on for a while.

BTW that's a nice shop you got there!

Looks good...I can't imagine your neighbors like you too much :)

My neighbors bitch and my garage is fully insulated. Can't imagine what an angle grinder sounds like inside that place.

Didn't read the whole thing, but what do you do for heat?

nice shop build............ looks like she's almost stocked already..... trouble with city building code is most areas limit the size of a detached building to
only 1000 sq feet..........

I kinda want to do a 25 x 40 with an attached 20 by 75 rv carport.. then
little by little after full sign off, and no more inspectors coming around,
enclose the big rv carport....... :)

--Sherpa

Any chance we can get a part number for those light reflectors?

Any chance we can get a part number for those light reflectors?
I don't remember but I'll see if I can dig them up somewhere.

That was mentioned earlier in the thread.

I've looked all over throught the 1000bulbs site and can't find them on my own, so it would be greatly appreciated. I suppose I could just call them.

i was wondering why you would upgrade the panel in the house to run the shop off the house.
why not run right off the pole to the shop ?

shop looks nice, dont see too many metal frame garages/outbuildings here in MN in the residential
how does it compare to wood price wise ?
also, how thick are the walls ? (jw for insulation purposes)

Electric Inspector just stopped by. Passed, even with zip tires and romex. :flipoff2: Only problem was the ground wire needed to be bonded with the structure as well since it is steel.


Wow, not a very good inspector, guess the NEC isn't used in your area...

i was wondering why you would upgrade the panel in the house to run the shop off the house.
why not run right off the pole to the shop ?

A lot of places only allow one residential service to a property - so a second meter means commercial service and commercial rates.

Mine comes in to a C320 meter and then splits to feed a 200amp panel at the house and a 200amp panel in the shop.

I did it for two reasons... 1st was I was upgrading the AC system at the house and needed more power to begin with. 2nd is the power company would upgrade the service free if going to the same box but would have charged a ton to go back to the shop.

A lot of places only allow one residential service to a property - so a second meter means commercial service and commercial rates.

Mine comes in to a C320 meter and then splits to feed a 200amp panel at the house and a 200amp panel in the shop.

I have two meters on my property, 1 meter for the house, and 1 meter for the shop, both with 200 amp service. The meter for the house is on a residential account as normal. The meter for the shop is labeled as "General Service". I actually see a slightly lower rate on the account for the shop than I get for the house. The downside, however, is that I get two bills, and two base service charges of around $5 or so per account.

My long term plans are to consolidate to a single meter near the pole, the split it out to the house and shop. I also plan to add the appropriate means to run the entire property with a generator and a transfer switch.

A lot of places...

I have...

As I said, a lot of places - not all places... :D

Around here you can get multiple services, sometimes even 3-phase, on a farm for less than residential services. Perhaps this is similar to your General Service setup?

Any chance we can get a part number for those light reflectors?

I found these reflectors on another forum. Here's the link for anyone who had asked the OP for info on them.

http://www.nationalfancompany.com/p/NFC-BL12RT.html

That would be a very nice SMALL shop if you were very close to the equator. Where in the hell are you at anyways? where I am the electrical inspector would shit himself at the door way.

Real nice. I'm just gettin ready to build one.

I found these reflectors on another forum. Here's the link for anyone who had asked the OP for info on them.

http://www.nationalfancompany.com/p/NFC-BL12RT.html

That seems expensive for a simple reflector. Is that a normal price?

Quality outdoor rated lighting isn't cheap. Those seem very reasonable, IMO. They may have a porcelain coating.

I just happened to find the part that several people had asked the OP about in this thread.

Maybe I over looked it but who did you buy the steel/kit from?

Yes those are the reflectors I got. $15 is not bad at all for them.

The building was from Carolina Carports. I would suggest going elsewhere, two 3 trips to get the right garage doors because they refuse to unpack and verify the length before they come up here. Customer service lacks big time, building itself is fine.

Yes those are the reflectors I got. $15 is not bad at all for them.

The building was from Carolina Carports. I would suggest going elsewhere, two 3 trips to get the right garage doors because they refuse to unpack and verify the length before they come up here. Customer service lacks big time, building itself is fine.

Thanks Ill look into them. I was looking at the same thing from superior buildings.