We dont have rocks in wisconsin, so does anyone know where the closest comp. would be to central Wi. Or in that matter any event.

EROCC is probably the closest/best organized event series.

Missouri is working on an EROCC spin-off ... www.moroc.com or something like that.

The closest events for us would probably be anything held at the Badlands in IN. "Word on the street" is that Mr. Nutty won't be doing any more events at the Badlands. Hopefully we'll see someone competent step up next year and put some good things together for us.

On a side note, RCAA is still looking for a rep in the IN area to put on some RCAA sanctioned events ... anyone up to the challenge?

cmk

What's a contact for the Meyers there at the Badlands? I need to talk Troy, and no I did not use the search button:D

Rich

Originally posted by Big Rich
What's a contact for the Meyers there at the Badlands? I need to talk Troy, and no I did not use the search button:D

Rich

http://www.badlandsoffroad.com

Badlands Off Road Park
3968 N. Xavier
Attica, IN 47918
Phone: (765) 762-2981
Fax: (765) 762-0519

Whatever you do, do NOT mention my name to Troy. ;)

cmk

Hmmm MOROC, sounds interesting. Not to sure where the hell it would be since MO isn't that great for rocks really. Disney, OK is the closest/best place for real good rocks.

Where in Wi. do you live? Ever go to Crandon? Its not rocks, but it is one hell of a good time.

Originally posted by Bones
Hmmm MOROC, sounds interesting. Not to sure where the hell it would be since MO isn't that great for rocks really. Disney, OK is the closest/best place for real good rocks.

To the best of my knowledge, it will be at the buffalo ranch outside of St. L.

PM a dude that goes by "JT" on this board. He has the skinny on moroc. Or follow the link:

http://www.moroc.us/

cm "always comin' through for the little guy" k

Originally posted by cmk
http://www.moroc.us/

cm "always comin' through for the little guy" k
Thanks :D

Well you got the link right this time around I see. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Bones
Hmmm MOROC, sounds interesting. Not to sure where the hell it would be since MO isn't that great for rocks really. Disney, OK is the closest/best place for real good rocks.

There's a nice string of rocky ground running North-South in the center part of the state roughly from I-44 on down toward Arkansas. But, most is private ground & what public ground we have has no serious trails. Apparently, there's been some work done on some of those private spots (buffalo ranch being one).

TEX

Despite the rumors, there are rocks in this state...just nothing large enough to run anything competitive on....but take some 2' diameter rocks and toss in running water, moss, logs, and mud and it does make for a nice challenge. I'm headed this weekend to Lakewood for some, and there are more around Antigo. Crandon also has some challenging areas. CMK, I have a passenger seat open if you are interested in seeing the sites....

ERoCC is 12 hours for me (Appleton) and Attica is 6 hours. Most anything in MO will be 12 hours for me too...give er take...schedule it around the Springfield area so I can visit my grampa next summer....

Unlike CMK, you CAN drop my name with Troy...he might know who the hell I am....heh heh

woo "not on Troys shit list" dy

Originally posted by woody
but take some 2' diameter rocks and toss in running water, moss, logs, and mud and it does make for a nice challenge.

I thought you hated mud? :p

Originally posted by Scott Graham
I thought you hated mud? :p

:p

h8ting mud and being stuck living in a state where there is little else to do are two completely different things!

Tho, there's nothing I love more than being the last one thru a long mudhole when the first bunch fought and tore their way thru, then I go in at idle/granny and proceed to walk it across without getting my fenders dirty...

besides, "ih8cleaningmytruck" has too many letters for a license plate... :flipoff2:

Originally posted by woody
Despite the rumors, there are rocks in this state...just nothing large enough to run anything competitive on....but take some 2' diameter rocks and toss in running water, moss, logs, and mud and it does make for a nice challenge. I'm headed this weekend to Lakewood for some, and there are more around Antigo. Crandon also has some challenging areas. CMK, I have a passenger seat open if you are interested in seeing the sites....

ERoCC is 12 hours for me (Appleton) and Attica is 6 hours. Most anything in MO will be 12 hours for me too...give er take...schedule it around the Springfield area so I can visit my grampa next summer....

Unlike CMK, you CAN drop my name with Troy...he might know who the hell I am....heh heh

woo "not on Troys shit list" dy

I'm gonna' be in Rockford all weekend for a 3 day race. Thanks for the offer though.

Me, Troy, and someone else ... man, that is some OLD history.

cmk

I sold some 52's to a guy in antigo a few weeks ago and your right there is quite a few rocks around there. crandon just a little north of there Has some good trails so I herd, but they have great races thats the only time I have been in that area. I here alot about the "pipe line" being quite a blast but I also here it is almost completely off limits to the public now. I have been to dresser wisconsin for the memorial event, that is quite a blast, but that only happens twice a year. I was just wondering if there is any comps. nereby. I am about straight west of appleton in the eau. clair, La crosse area.

There's a comp at the Indy Jambo this weekend, although much smaller scale than ERoCC, CalROC, ProROCK, etc.

Indy Jambo (http://www.familyevents.com)

'tswaylo

Originally posted by JOHNS351C
... I here alot about the "pipe line" being quite a blast but I also here it is almost completely off limits to the public now. I have been to dresser wisconsin for the memorial event, that is quite a blast, but that only happens twice a year. I was just wondering if there is any comps. nereby. I am about straight west of appleton in the eau. clair, La crosse area.

Anything you hear about the Pipeline is rumor. I was just on it 2 weeks back, and I'm one of the main contacts for schtuff that happens around there....toss those rumors out the door. It's National Forest land so without a full-on public comment period, EA (Environmental Assessment), etc they really "can't" close it. (Tho they have temporarily, at least until we bitched at them about the signage...then they removed it...heh)

If your available this weekend, join us in Lakewood. I'm headed up tomorrow night. McCaslin Campground, 10 miles east of Lakewood on Cnty F. No reservations required.

Also, given your location, check in with some of the MN clubs for stuff....I'm on a private run the 28th to Jacobs Woods, which I've been told has challenges similar to Black Hills SD. (ravines with rocks...) There are a number of private areas in MN that clubs frequently have access too...either schmooze in with one of those groups or join one of those clubs. (not sure which to recommend offhand...)

Labor Day CORR in Crandon rocked this year....Sunday had some GREAT racing....even the Ivan Stewart guys got into it!

I think much of the rumours folks hear regarding the pipeline are not completly unfounded. They have closed many of the obsticles and points of challenge in an effort ( I assume) to keep the trail from being closed. After the last round of maintenance I see south of Hyw "W" as well as many of the more interesting wet spots have been closed. For referance i ran the entire trail in my Father in Laws Stone stock Ranger 4x4...never needed a strap or a tug and that considering what this trail once was is rather sad.

NoRM

I'll agree the challenge with the pipeline is largely gone....but much of that is due to the safety issue. The pipe itself is a 30" diameter 900 psi natural gas pipe and it's a mere 36" under the surface on average...much less in some places. Given the number of spots where you can lose a 44" tire, the risk of hitting the pipe and blowing a crater is quite high.

W4WDA has been working with the FS, trying to develop that section into something that IS challenging. Unfortunately, the Ranger for the Lakewood/Laona district changes so frequently that it's been tough to get much consistency...plus there is so much in-fighting and disagreement within the FS staff that what sits well with one causes issue with another. I've sat in on 20+ meetings on the pipeline itself, worked with the FS staff and taken them on trips up/down it, worked with the DNR on it, even applied for and received a $65k NRTA grant to help alleviate the environmental and safety issues, to no avail. Combine that mess with the FS Revision Plan problems and you see what a cluster-fawk things really can be....

The politics of the Pipeline project soured me on a lot of things with the FS....it's been a frustrating 3-4 years....

<vent/rant mode off>

Woody

I full well agree with you on that score. I myself have worked many projects and sat in on meetings regarding that trail. I was there for the orginazation and implacation of the Bridge projects in 1993. Have largely been inactive the last few years, and at present do not even belong to the W4WDA due to no club affiliation. (personal life issues took priority)The FS and how they interact with user groups and the way policy is both conceieved and carried out is a farce no question. Sad too as I believe the intentions on both sides are good, just seems the consitancy is rather happ hazard at best.
I was happy to hear that some of the grant money had been directed at the pipeline, but certainly do question the need to "pave" the trail. That said I have no place to talk in the present as I have not been involved with the efforts of late, have not even associated with the main stay groups/orginazations that are working on it and I certainly appluad all efforts directed towards keeping it open ;-) But that said I miss having some challenge on that trail. I have meant to make a trip up and check out the impact the MOD rally had on the trail and the Mc Caslin just haven't had a chance. Maybe Oct I will run up with my Surburban and run it in the tow rig;-) Kudos to you and all who have spent the time and effort, I certainly appreciate.

NoRM

Its nice to see someone working for our cause.
Hats off to Woody!!:beer:

Actually, the "paving" was the result of FS directives with the contractors on the project and was in direct disagreement with the written document upon which the grant monies were based. We ended up returning a large portion of the grant monies, since the grant was for 2 years and we already have 18 months of extensions with little additional result. Fortunately, the DNR and grant adminstrators understood that the hands of W4WDA were tied and no penalties were assessed, plus that which was already spent was not asked to be returned.

Glad you were part of the Bridge project...that occurred prior to my involvement in the organized side (I was still a powerline-running renegade then...heh heh). Pat Jacobosky was one of many instrumental in the Bridge stuff and has been a huge asset with this project as well....look for more things in the future!

And buy yourself some junk for the trail man!! :D

Woody

I am not at all surprised that the FS was responsible for the "paving"
I made mention to Luana S. that way it was looking they may as well toss in a Mc Donalds somewhere close to the rock hill. Her explanation of the situation at that time seemed to be rather clear that some things were not going as planned. Regardless all we as "land users" can do is keep trying. Knowing as I do most of the key memberes involved with the W4WDA I Am confident it's being managed best it can be given resources.
BTW I have sum junk lol......... still in process of building the new ride.....so have cannibalized the old one some lol
Next spring we will be on the trails again all goes well...and I might drag the old Junk outta retirement for a spin this winter we ever get any snow...nothing like a 450HP locker equipped trail rig to remind a dude what he is missing.

NoRM