: 14 bolt SF or FF


z71chente
09-30-2009, 03:23 AM
Ok, new to the forum and I have just one question- I'm on somewhat of a budget and the time has come to swap out my rear axle(not by choice) and I need to know if a SF 14 bolt will hold up just fine or should I just shell out a couple more bucks and go with a 14b FF? My truck is a 95 z71, I attached a pic of it below, sorry about the crappy quality- Started out stock with the 350tbi/4l60e/np241c/ifs/10b rear. It currently sits with a mildly modded 350/sm465 granny tranny/np241/dana 44 sas(all work done from scratch iron by me) in front and the rear just grenaded its 3rd 10b. It's currently on 40"x17.5" ground hawgs but I plan to end up with 46"s After the third auto tranny, i decided to go with granny tranny stickshift, works like a champ- love that low gear :D I've been reading and am coming up on a lot of conflicting info for SF or FF- I dont do any rock crawling(no rocks to crawl on here in South Texas), mainly sand mud, and pulling stuck vehicles out of either one. I wanted to go with the SF because the one that I found is cheaper and because I get to stay with the 6x5.5 lug pattern but if it's not gonna hack it, i'd rather shell for the FF- so, with this combo and the 46's I have planned will the SF survive or should i go with the FF?:confused:
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Mach2_nh
09-30-2009, 04:01 AM
Well the SF 14 with a 9 1/2 ring gear is a C-clip axle and can hold up to some shit. But the 14 FF is a 10 1/2 ring gear and with your setup i bet you will never hurt it.. And even if you do then i bet it would only be a shaft. And there so easy to find there just about free where i am from. I dont even wheel my Chevy and i put a FF in the rear. I mean i did a gear swap and i got both axles for $300 But i wanted a ff anyways. :)

KWTMECH
09-30-2009, 07:52 AM
The full float more than likely will be cheaper to purchase than the semi-float

6.2Blazer
09-30-2009, 09:14 AM
Around here the 14FF axles are a dime-a-dozen, but the 14SF 6-lug axles are much harder to find and usually go for more money (8-lug 14SF are the same as 14FF's in regards to price and availability).

The 14SF is substantially stronger than the 10-bolt and would probably hold up okay for your use the truck for in it's current form. I say that because you didn't mention having issues with the front D44 and the 14SF should hold up a lot better than the front axle. However you mention bigger tires down the road and in that case I would just get the 14FF. But again, you should also start looking at front axle upgrades if you want bigger tires because regardless of what rear axle you have I think the front will by far be the weak spot.

Overall I would say go ahead and get the 14FF and deal with converting the front axle to 8-lug and getting new rims (you can get 15" 8-lug rims but only in steel).

MaXXis85
09-30-2009, 09:31 AM
Like the 2 previous posters a 6 lug 14 SF will cost more than a 14FF. You can have your hubs, and shafts machined an redrilled for the 6-5.5 pattern. We just did this swap on my Buddy's Tahoe with IFS still up front.

dfl701
09-30-2009, 10:01 AM
that front 44 isnt gonna hold up to 46s i bet either so get ready to start going through those as well. if i were you i would start looking for a FF and dana 60

z71chente
09-30-2009, 04:41 PM
yep, I thought so- I'm pretty sure the d44 up front wont last but my first problem is the broken rear right now, so... i guess ill be going with the ff- need to start looking for some 15x12 steel rims for 8 lug- thanks for the info guys

GMCTruxrule
09-30-2009, 06:10 PM
full floaters are way more common too. Go to any junkyard and you can find them under the "short bus" GMC school buses, bread vans, vans, 3/4 and 1 ton trucks, both 2 and 4wd

MaXXis85
10-01-2009, 06:29 AM
yep, I thought so- I'm pretty sure the d44 up front wont last but my first problem is the broken rear right now, so... i guess ill be going with the ff- need to start looking for some 15x12 steel rims for 8 lug- thanks for the info guys

You can also 8 lug the front with parts from an 8 lug D44 or 10 bolt front. then upgrade to a 60 later when the 44 keeps having problems.

joshua1086
10-01-2009, 07:03 AM
if your going with disk on the back and upgrading the front be aware of clearance issues with 15" rims

4Xjunkie96
10-01-2009, 11:20 AM
I got my FF for 125. Fairly cheap and strong. Its not quite done yet, but someones post brings up a ? I have the disc conversion done and have 15x10 rims. Is there gonna be any rubbing issues? i dont know the backspacing. Im looking for a 8 to 6 lug adapter giving me good clearance, if not or cost too much I may go with new rims. Thanks!

6.2Blazer
10-01-2009, 11:37 AM
There is minimal to no clearance issues between 15" rims and the standard rear disc brake conversion on a 14FF using 1/2 or 3/4 ton calipers (same physical size) and 3/4 ton front rotors. The reason is that the caliper sit further inboard than on a front axle, so basically the same as wheels with less backspacing on the front. Some say very light touch-up with a grinder on the calipers, some say no issue at all.

The front axle is the place to be concerned with. 10-bolt or D44 in 3/4 ton (8-lug) form will require grinding with a rim within the standard 4-ish" BS. The less BS = less grinding, up to the point where no grinding is needed. Wheels with 2.5-2.75" BS are fairly common and should bolt right on.

Dana 60 fronts have more of a clearance issue and thus require a LOT of grinding for 15's in the 4-ish" BS range, but it can be done. I personally run 2.75" BS wheels and it required about 30 seconds with the grinder on each front caliper to make them fit, basically just cleaning off the casting flash.

I will say that my rims are only 8" wide (running 15.5" wide TSL's) because I didn't want the truck super wide. You probably aren't that concerned by the looks of your truck, but a 15x12 rims with 2.5" BS will stick out a lot.