We've been looking at better options for the Tacoma SAS crowd, and at how to improve braking on the older trucks as well. We wanted replacement parts readily available anywhere, and easy to source, and no specialty machining on wear items. This is where we ended up! One of the best parts is SERIOUS ease of serviceability. Not a single bearing is touched during teardown of the axle!

Features:
-Tacoma rotors (stock)
-Tacoma calipers (stock)
-86-95 IFS wheel hubs (these must have the OD turned down a bit)
-Widens the axle by 3.25 total (1.625 per side)
-Accepts solid axle locking hubs or flanges
-FROR Tacoma brake mounting kit
-Price $99

EDIT: We now have a similar kit to mount the 05+ Tacoma brakes.

As they say pictures are worth 1000 words, so on to it!

Here's the full assembly. This happens to be on the shop buggy, this setup is nearly a year in the running, including a full WE Rock season, King of the Hammers race, and other adventures of course!

The teardown procedure. If youve EVER gontten into a Toyota front axle, you'll love this!

Remove the 2 calipers bolts, and SLIP the rotor off!

One thing to note, is the different brake fitting. Tacoma calipers have a banjo, and 4runners have 10mm inverted flare. We sell the brake lines to connect straight to the caliper as well.

Once the caliper and rotor is off, simply remove the locking hub dial, or drive flange cover, and the birf snap ring.

Once the cover is off, YOU REMOVE THE SPINDLE BOLTS! This is the chunk that comes off next! We've been affectionately referring to this as The Toyota Unit Bearing!

At this point, you can pull your shaft, change a birf, or drop out a 3rd member. Notice, no bearing has been touched!

Tell me more. Like what do I need, to do my 85 straight axle brakes like this?

This is what the kit includes, 2 brackets, caliper bolt and lock washer, and longer spindle bolts and lock washers. The only other thing to do is turn down the IFS wheel hubs, which we be offering to purchase straight out, or an exchange basis.

Price $99, and add in stock, off-the-shelf parts!

How much does this change the overall width?

Thanks for reminding me! 3.25 added to width, 2.75 from the IFS hubs, .25 from the thickness of each rotor. 1.625 per side.

This does fit under 15" wheels, though some steel wheel may hit the caliper. If the wheel youve got fits a stock tacoma, it would fit over these brakes, since it identical.

One thing this is allowing folks to do, is plan on these brakes, and allowing fitting of the increasingly popular 17" wheels. But most of theose wheels are backspaced at 4.5-5.5" Now they wont be tucked in. For example, a 4.5 backspaced, 8.5" wide wheel, with the new FROR Tacoma brake kit, would have the same load as a stock solid axle hub, and a 8.5" wheel, with roughly 3" backspace!

Nice Brian. I have seen this setup in person at Brian's shop and its definitely a much better, stonger setup than the typical solid axle stuff.

Brian, correct me if I am wrong, but considering that this setup works with the Tacoma calipers, then it should also work with the larger Tundra brakes as well that is a popular swap for the Taco/3rd gen 4runner guys? They just wouldn't work with 15" wheels.

It looks like you have to swap the knuckles from side to side too.

Not a big deal, but just being observant:grinpimp:

Nice Brian. I have seen this setup in person at Brian's shop and its definitely a much better, stonger setup than the typical solid axle stuff.

Brian, correct me if I am wrong, but considering that this setup works with the Tacoma calipers, then it should also work with the larger Tundra brakes as well that is a popular swap for the Taco/3rd gen 4runner guys? They just wouldn't work with 15" wheels.

Yes, the Tundra brakes should work, with larger wheels. We've not actually tested that fit, yet.

It looks like you have to swap the knuckles from side to side too.

Not a big deal, but just being observant:grinpimp:

Correct, good eye!

EDIT: As you can see this will not work with current aftermarket knuckles, only stock knuckles.

Very nice! That is super slick and innovative. :beer:

Cool stuff.

Correct, good eye!

EDIT: As you can see this will not work with current aftermarket knuckles, only stock knuckles.

I'd assume you could make an aftermarket knuckle work if you cut off its caliper tabs?

This is VERY cool, Brian!

Any specs on the differences in rotor size/piston size/surface area compared to stock components?

This is VERY cool, Brian!

Any specs on the differences in rotor size/piston size/surface area compared to stock components?

Ill have to look numbers on the caliper pistons again, but its about 12-15% more (than a V6 caliper) increase in piston sizes, so more clamping force there.

Rotors are 11.680 vs, IFS of 11.370, and SA/FJ of 11.890
Thickness of IFS/FJ is .780, Tacoma are .860

This bracket system is setup to line everything up correctly, using matched factory components, in proper location relationship caliper to rotor.

Now the SAS swapping tacoma guys have a great brake option. Just reuse those good brakes you've got! Plus, save the cost of buying new rotors and calipers! No questions like "what master do I need" or "mine are spongy" "my pedal is way too hard" It all works, and is all matched up, just like Toyota planned!

Too bad my diamond is already the right width. :( My Tacoma brakes are still in the garage 3 years later.

I think i am going to need this with my diamond axle (after its ready:flipoff2:)

What about the dust seal that would go on top of the spindle in a stock app.? Does it get eliminated, or do you cut the lip off of the edge?

nice, now i know why i have been saving up taco rotors and calipers

ohh. btw the 4runners from 96+ have the same caliper, but it still uses the 10mm thread for the brake line, same as all 79-95 front calipers

:grinpimp:

Bad ass Brian, nice to see you get this out to the public. I would of ran it on my ftoy without hesitation. :beer:

Good job!

i have this here in my garage for my taco build...buy it! its simple and you get MUCH better brakes along with the easy disassembly of the grease ball toyota hub chunk

when is it going to be on the website for sale?

when is it going to be on the website for sale?

http://frontrangeoffroadfab.com/nfoscomm/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=136&osCsid=31e739132e7c6998ce51f1869f23c9db

Correct, good eye!

EDIT: As you can see this will not work with current aftermarket knuckles, only stock knuckles.

You must also be running the Right caliper on the left side and vice versa?

Anything wrong with not flipping the SFA knuckle and running the caliper on the front?

Wow this is a sweet setup!! The only crappy thing is I gave away a set of ifs hubs a few months ago... :( :shaking:

You must also be running the Right caliper on the left side and vice versa?

Anything wrong with not flipping the SFA knuckle and running the caliper on the front?

Correct, knuckles and calipers are swapped. Stock tacoma ran the calipers on the front side of the rotors. I dont think youd be able to get the caliper in on the front, and still get the steering arm in there, and/or the caliper bolts.

brian ellinger pimped my ride:D

Great idea and product.

Idea I'd like to see - you change all this stuff on the front from stock.. so you have stock rotors and calipers left over.... how about some "cheap" simple kits to use those leftover parts on the rear.

Great idea and product.

Idea I'd like to see - you change all this stuff on the front from stock.. so you have stock rotors and calipers left over.... how about some "cheap" simple kits to use those leftover parts on the rear.

Good thought. We've got that setup already, Our Full floater "stock" kit. Using all SA hubs, spindles, calipers, rotors over on the rear!

that's a great kit, but I was thinking just rear disc not full float.

What about the dust seal that would go on top of the spindle in a stock app.? Does it get eliminated, or do you cut the lip off of the edge?

We honestly didnt worry about this dust seal, as no other axle has it. However, for those that run in wet/muddy conditions, you know it keeps from getting junk to the wheel bearing seal, helping everything last. We're pretty confident, simply flipping the dust seal over, mounting it on top of the caliper bracket, will allow it to be used. I will update when we can verify this.

What years of tacoma's do I need to look for the calipers and rotors?

How much do you need to turn down the OD on the ifs hubs?

Not a single bearing is touched during teardown of the axle!


It looks like you have to swap the knuckles from side to side too.


so you very well may need to fool with your trunnion bearings during the initial setup?

also, would this let me run tundra brakes on my 1998 T100 (same ifs as 86-95)?

so you very well may need to fool with your trunnion bearings during the initial setup?

also, would this let me run tundra brakes on my 1998 T100 (same ifs as 86-95)?

During initial assembly, yes you have to get into all the bearings.

This setup will not work on IFS trucks, but we may do something in the future for those.

Hub OD needs to be turned just to get the Tacoma rotor to slip over, about 6.680 OD.

I have a set of 97 runner brakes sitting in the shop but I am using TG's six-shooter knuckles. Could I just cut the brake caliper ears off of them to make it work?

Could you enlarge the hole in the disc to make them slip over the hubs?

Looking good Brian. Got any big brake bling for 60 knuckles coming out?

Checked this out with the 05+ Tacoma brakes. We have to make a small change to the kit to work with these newer brakes, but we can do it easily. Its an addition to it, so that kit would be selling at ~129. We'll have the price nailed down in the next couple days, and up on the site. These rotors are 12.5" OD, and 1.125 thick. Larger and thicker than earlier tacomas, so Scotty is right, they will not fit under 15" wheels.

Nice Brian. I have seen this setup in person at Brian's shop and its definitely a much better, stonger setup than the typical solid axle stuff.

Brian, correct me if I am wrong, but considering that this setup works with the Tacoma calipers, then it should also work with the larger Tundra brakes as well that is a popular swap for the Taco/3rd gen 4runner guys? They just wouldn't work with 15" wheels.

Looking good Brian. Got any big brake bling for 60 knuckles coming out?

We've got a kit to put the 11.5" Tacoma brakes on the kingpin, 6 hole spindle 60's. We can also do the 12.5" 05+ Tacoma brakes as well.

I have a set of 97 runner brakes sitting in the shop but I am using TG's six-shooter knuckles. Could I just cut the brake caliper ears off of them to make it work?

Could you enlarge the hole in the disc to make them slip over the hubs?

1st question, theoretically yes, but We've never test fitted with those parts.

2nd question, its the hat diameter or the rotor that we have to fit over the hub, so the OD of the hub that is getting turned down is the wheel mount surface OD, not the snout of the hub.

Brian,
I have 4x4Lab Arms, that puts the tie rod in the back of the axle, and the drag link in front of the axle.

Do you think the calipers would clear the steering arms?

We've got a kit to put the 11.5" Tacoma brakes on the kingpin, 6 hole spindle 60's. We can also do the 12.5" 05+ Tacoma brakes as well.

Tell me more :)

You making a caliper bracket kit for it? Send me some pics.

Im almost ready to get this kit. I just need to pick up some rotors this week and should be good to go. I just hope once I swap the nuckles around, they will still line up with Bobby's 5th stud:confused:

Brian,
I have 4x4Lab Arms, that puts the tie rod in the back of the axle, and the drag link in front of the axle.

Do you think the calipers would clear the steering arms?

I would think so, the upper bolt for the caliper would be tricky to get too. To put it together Id say youd want to have the bolt in the hole in the caliper, then slide the caliper up into position. Id do it this way, because I doubt the bolt would clear the arm coming straight out.

Tell me more :)

You making a caliper bracket kit for it? Send me some pics.

Ill try to find some pics. Its one of those parts we make, but have never listed individually. We had Tacoma brakes on the 9/60 under our Tacoma, 5 or 6 years ago!

Is there anyway of making this kit work without swapping nuckles to opposite sides? What about cutting the caliper tabs off of the nuckles?

If you have a spindle stud kit, will you be able to use it still?

So if i was putting a Toyota SA under a Taco this kit would make up the difference in width to my stock rear axle in the taco right? Im assuming this kit is for the -85 axles right?

Is there anyway of making this kit work without swapping nuckles to opposite sides? What about cutting the caliper tabs off of the nuckles?

You could just grind off the calipers ears, though I would say swapping the knuckle would be easier in most cases.

If you have a spindle stud kit, will you be able to use it still?

Yes, provided the studs have at least 3/8" of thread showing. However, I would replace the studs with the bolts we supply. Mainly since some stud kits out there are using non-heat treated studs in them, and can fail.

So if i was putting a Toyota SA under a Taco this kit would make up the difference in width to my stock rear axle in the taco right? Im assuming this kit is for the -85 axles right?

This kit would widen the wheel mount width by 3.25" total.

I just hope once I swap the nuckles around, they will still line up with Bobby's 5th stud:confused:

This is why I asked but I already got your kit and should be able to try it out this weekend. BTW,this is gonna be way cool when I break my shit :grinpimp:

Got it done this weekend and all went smooth.Just want to thank Brian for a nice kit he has to offer :beer:

Uriel.
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ive been driving around for about two weeks as a daily driver on 37s...with 3 kids, my wife and the dog in my heavy 4 door v6 tacoma, the braking is still incredible with this kit!

the braking is still incredible with this kit!

Ya think :grinpimp:
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so which pars is it that needs turned down?
and whats an easy way to do it? other than takin it to some machine shop. Whats a home garage fix?

so which pars is it that needs turned down?
and whats an easy way to do it? other than takin it to some machine shop. Whats a home garage fix?Yes you can do it in your garage with a grinder. You will be cutting down the O.D. of the flange the wheel mounts to, nothing centers on that surface so it doesn't need to be perfectly round or square to the face, it just needs to fit into the rotor hat. You can mock it up on the spindle and spin it as you grind it if you want it to be less booty fabbed :flipoff2:

oh ok, I got it now.
Thanks for the tip and info!

Ya think :grinpimp:
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anybody measure the pistons in those bigger calipers.

So would work with my 15 inch steel wheels with a 2 inch backspace

I have the traditional FJ60/IFS caliper setup on an '85 axle. What parts exactly do I need to purchase, find at the junkyard, and modify to swap to the Taco brakes? I don't have any of my old IFS stuff anymore.

MerMan - which calipers are those? IFS vs Taco or IFS vs Tundra?

I have the traditional FJ60/IFS caliper setup on an '85 axle. What parts exactly do I need to purchase, find at the junkyard, and modify to swap to the Taco brakes? I don't have any of my old IFS stuff anymore.

MerMan - which calipers are those? IFS vs Taco or IFS vs Tundra?

I was running the stock 85 calipers and now a set of 97 4runner since they still have the 10mm inverted style fittings. Sounds like you already have the IFS hubs now you just need to source the Tacoma rotors and calipers.:)

After really testing these out at KOH I gotta say the braking improvement is awesome.:mr-t:

I was running the stock 85 calipers and now a set of 97 4runner since they still have the 10mm inverted style fittings. Sounds like you already have the IFS hubs now you just need to source the Tacoma rotors and calipers.:)

Thanks for the reply. I don't think I have the IFS hubs anymore - sold them along with the rest of the IFS suspension/front end. This is what I have now; I believe it's SA hubs, FJ60 rotors, and IFS calipers (not pictured). Here's a pic http://thebandit.xtremefabricator.com/SAS/sas30.jpg

Brian do you offer/sell the IFS hubs already clearanced & ready to go?

Also any problems with running the stock master cylinder on my '86?

this is cool. i like. :smokin: good work Brian

I was running the stock 85 calipers and now a set of 97 4runner since they still have the 10mm inverted style fittings.

Were you able to reuse the short hardlines that go from the caliper to the flexible brake lines?

We do carry IFS wheel hubs, with the OD turned down. These are a stock item for us now as well.

As for turning the OD, for your safety, and others, please have these machined, or purchase them machined.

We do carry IFS wheel hubs, with the OD turned down. These are a stock item for us now as well.

Great. Are they on your website? Cost?

Were you able to reuse the short hardlines that go from the caliper to the flexible brake lines?
yes

Great. Are they on your website? Cost?

I dont think theyre up on the site yet, 45 each, machined.

Thanks Brian. Just trying to add up the costs here. Anything I'm missing to convert from the typical FJ60/IFS caliper setup on an '85 axle?

Install/bracket kit: $99 (FROR)
Two modified IFS hubs: $90 (FROR)
Pair '97 4Runner calipers, loaded for 15s: $140 (Autozone)
Pair '97 4Runner premiumrotors for 15s: $100 (Kragen)
Total: $429 plus some shipping & tax

Still wondering about the need for a bigger master cylinder on my '86 with those larger calipers.

Thanks Brian. Just trying to add up the costs here. Anything I'm missing to convert from the typical FJ60/IFS caliper setup on an '85 axle?

Install/bracket kit: $99 (FROR)
Two modified IFS hubs: $90 (FROR)
Pair '97 4Runner calipers, loaded for 15s: $140 (Autozone)
Pair '97 4Runner premiumrotors for 15s: $100 (Kragen)
Total: $429 plus some shipping & tax

Still wondering about the need for a bigger master cylinder on my '86 with those larger calipers.

I sourced all my parts from friends and CL. I dont know how its gonna act with that mc. Im running one off a 88 Turbo Supra and works great.

I want this. Hoping to hear more opinions on how much improvement there is over the traditional IFS caliper / FJ rotor combo and whether or not a bigger MC is needed than the stock IFS.

The added width and easier teardown are nice benefits, but I'm mostly interested in the safety improvement to & from the trail.

This looks like a great kit but I would be hesitant with my 15" rims. What type of 15" rims would work with this kit? Also, what MC would be needed? This would be going on an 85 truck so I don't want to have to experiment with different MCs.

We are running, and originally installed the kit with a stock mater cylinder. The brakes work great, but the pedal hits lower, 3/8" lower on ours. Enough to notice, but not so much to feel scary. A 1" master would work as well, as that is a stock Tacoma size.

As for wheels, just depends. I wish I had a better answer. What I can say, is aluminum wheels should be just fine. Steel wheels sometimes fit, sometimes hit. I light snading to smooth extra casting will usually take care of this. The worst we've seen is taken care of with a 1/4" slip over wheel spacer. Steels are close enough, I have a matching set of wheels, that 2 clear, and 2 hit. The clearance issue is the side of the caliper, not so much the outer side of the caliper.

To be sure, you could test fit a wheel on another tacoma, as the rotor/caliper clearance are the same on a stock truck as with out kit.

We are running, and originally installed the kit with a stock mater cylinder. The brakes work great, but the pedal hits lower, 3/8" lower on ours.

Sorry for my ignorance, but do you mean the pedal travels an additional 3/8" before you feel resistance? Or do you mean something else?

Thanks Brian. Just trying to add up the costs here. Anything I'm missing to convert from the typical FJ60/IFS caliper setup on an '85 axle?

Install/bracket kit: $99 (FROR)
Two modified IFS hubs: $90 (FROR)
Pair '97 4Runner calipers, loaded for 15s: $140 (Autozone)
Pair '97 4Runner premiumrotors for 15s: $100 (Kragen)
Total: $429 plus some shipping & tax

Still wondering about the need for a bigger master cylinder on my '86 with those larger calipers.

I have a 97 3.4 5speed 4runner. Stock 15" fj60/solid axle mini truck wheels hit the front calipers.

Brian,

Where are the brake fittings located on the website? It also looks like my 4x4lab arms will clear.

Also, here's a list of 15" rims that clear/do not clear.
http://ttora.com/wiki/index.php/Tire_and_Wheel_Fitment

Bump, any info on the brake fittings Brian?

To be sure, you could test fit a wheel on another tacoma, as the rotor/caliper clearance are the same on a stock truck as with out kit.

That's a great suggestion. My parents have '99 and '02 Tacomas. I will have to "borrow" one for a day to try the fitment. :D If they work, I might just have to order a kit.

Just picked up my Tundra brakes. Tacoma rotors are around 0.866 thickness. The Tundra rotors are 1.1" thickness, and a lot bigger in diameter!

Also, I won't have to grind as much off. The inner diameter of the Tacoma rotor is ~6.67". The ID of the tundra rotor is ~6.78" Not to mention the brake caliper uses a 10X1mm inlet, so I won't need a line for a banjo bolt.

Hopefully everything will bolt up, but I don't see why it wouldn't when many are putting these componenets on a Tacoma with no issues. Thanks again to Brian for putting out this product!

Nevermind...

anybody measure the pistons in those bigger calipers.

I am also wondering if these are the FJ and the Taco or the Taco and the Tundra or what?

Lets see if I got this right- So this kit fits with most 15" wheels. Then if I ever go to 17's I can upgrade to Tundra rotor and calipers with no other changes?

You should be able to. You only need to go to a 16" rim to fit the Tundra brakes.

The tacomas are putting the tundra brakes on. The only thing that has to be modified is the disc shield, and the lines. Fortunately, the Tundra caliper uses a 10X1mm IF for the inlet so brake lines are not an issue, and most of us don't run the shields anyways...

Could the 4 Runner calipers, which have a 10mm inverted flare connection, be mounted on the front side of the knuckle and leave the knuckle installed in the stock way, not flipped side to side and slear the steering? It looks like you would be able to do this and not have to flip the knuckles side to side, but would just switch the calipers sides to side with the caliper mount flipped 180.

Yes/No

This would be much simpler for me since my axle is already assembled and I run IFS hubs with Tacoma rotors and V6 calipers. Not that it would be that big of a deal to tear down.

Could the 4 Runner calipers, which have a 10mm inverted flare connection, be mounted on the front side of the knuckle and leave the knuckle installed in the stock way, not flipped side to side and slear the steering? It looks like you would be able to do this and not have to flip the knuckles side to side, but would just switch the calipers sides to side with the caliper mount flipped 180.

Yes/No

This would be much simpler for me since my axle is already assembled and I run IFS hubs with Tacoma rotors and V6 calipers. Not that it would be that big of a deal to tear down.

I just recieved my kit yesterday, just installed today. Used the tundra calipers and I did not have to flip my knuckles, the brakes are on the front side. I don't think you even really ahve to if you use Tacoma/4runner calipers...

I used the stock bolts to hold the caliper on. I don't think you'd be able to get a allen wrench in there, but a box end wrench slips on beautifuly.

Also, the backing plate seal still works on top of the brake bracket. The outer lip runs on the casting, the inner lip runs on the machined part.

Pics to show clearances soon. Thanks again Brian for comming out with this kit. I'll now be able to tow the boat and stop safely again.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/NorCalPR/TTORAForum/TundraBrakes-4.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/NorCalPR/TTORAForum/TundraBrakes-8.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/NorCalPR/TTORAForum/TundraBrakes-10.jpg

Just wanna let everyone how happy I was this weekend when my turd broke a Long. Tear down was fast,easy,and clean.Some of the other toy guys were amazed on how quick I got it back on all four.:grinpimp:...Pick up a kit, its totally worth it.:smokin:

Even better reason to get 17's for with 37's...... TUNDRA BRAKES ON MY ZUK!!!!!

Thanks Brian. Just trying to add up the costs here. Anything I'm missing to convert from the typical FJ60/IFS caliper setup on an '85 axle?

Install/bracket kit: $99 (FROR)
Two modified IFS hubs: $90 (FROR)
Pair '97 4Runner calipers, loaded for 15s: $140 (Autozone)
Pair '97 4Runner premiumrotors for 15s: $100 (Kragen)
Total: $429 plus some shipping & tax

Still wondering about the need for a bigger master cylinder on my '86 with those larger calipers.

I know this is an old thread... but just a point of information...

you can also upgrade (using this kit) to 199mm or 231mm tundra rotors and calipers... Even better performance overall... and then go a step further and add PowerSlot rotors w/ Hawk pads for a phenominal option... Just check your backspacing for interference.

I'm not running this kit (ONLY because the truck dosn't need good brakes when it never moves....) - but the Tundra brake upgrade is very popoular for 3d gen 4Runners and could make Brian's kit even better.

Sounds Great, maybe do for my 85runner

What are my option for a daily driver 92 4x4 4runner ?
I want better braking.

thank you

Hey I am having a few problems, I figured I'd post up here in case anyone else did. I dont know whats going wrong.

I ordered up 95-04 Tacoma calipers per FROR website and some EBC yellow stuff pads. When I got them I was surprised that they didnt look much bigger than my stock 93 V6 truck calipers and FJ rotors.

So I threw a digital caliper on the pistons on both sets. Guess what both dead nuts 1.554. Also my yellow stuff pads for the tacoma are identical (other than just generally looking much nicer) and pop right in. I totally could have ran them in my V6 calipers. ???

So I was like WTF? Called 5 parts stores, 3 of which I know are really good. I get answers that contradict each other. Some say its all the same caliper from 95-04 like FROR, some say 2 and 4wd are different, some say there is a split from 95-98 and 98-04 but nobody can come up with any concrete answer.

I am super frustrated, wife is full on pregnant and I gotta get my shit rolling.

Anybody got any ideas? Have any of you actually measured your pistons/bores? I really have no idea where to go from here. :confused:

very nice setup

I have the traditional FJ60/IFS caliper setup on an '85 axle. What parts exactly do I need to purchase, find at the junkyard, and modify to swap to the Taco brakes? I don't have any of my old IFS stuff anymore.

MerMan - which calipers are those? IFS vs Taco or IFS vs Tundra?

After doing the swap, those have to be IFS vs Tundra.

Can someyone tell mewhat size rim I need to run the Tundra brakes ?

How much better are the Tundra brakes than of a 1992 V6 4x4 4runner ?

I swapped in a Adco front sway bar and it's awesome on the road !

It looks like the stock IFS hub wheel studs will be too short after slipping the roter over the hub. What are most people doing about longer studs? Will the stock SA wheel studs work? They look to be about the correct length.

Chris

It looks like the stock IFS hub wheel studs will be too short after slipping the roter over the hub. What are most people doing about longer studs? Will the stock SA wheel studs work? They look to be about the correct length.

Chris

What rotors are you using?

IIRC longer studs came in the kit. If not I must have ordered them from him separately. Brian offers them though. He also offers them in the Non metric sizes too which was sweet for me.

What rotors are you using?

I am using the Calipers and Rotors off of my 2000 Tacoma. I am in the process of putting Tundra brakes on it so I thought this would be a good use of perfectly good calipers and rotors.
I turned down some IFS hubs and test fitted the Rotors. Since the IFS Hubs have the rotors bolted to the back of the hubs, the wheel studs are shorter than the Taco studs. Now the IFS studs are shorter by the thickness of the rotor.

Chris

IIRC longer studs came in the kit. If not I must have ordered them from him separately. Brian offers them though. He also offers them in the Non metric sizes too which was sweet for me.

How much longer were the replacement studs? FROR list longer studs on their website for the Tacoma brake kit. However they are listed as 9/16th longer than stock. This seams too long since the rotor is around 1/4" thick.

I haven't ordered the kit yet, I just wanted to know if I need to order studs or if I could reuse my SA studs to save a little $.

Chris

All I know is I used his with acorn style lug nuts with no problems so they must not be too long.

I ended up just going with rear wheel studs. They have just enough extra length to makeup for the thickness of the rotor.

I also used some 86 IFS backing plates. I had to drill 6 new holes and trim a bit to clear the larger caliper, but they fit great. They do not have a deep dish like the SA plates. The dia of them match the taco rotors perfectly. You could run 3rd gen 4R or 1st gen Tundra rotors but you would have to straighten the outer lip some.

Chris

All I know is I used his with acorn style lug nuts with no problems so they must not be too long.

Toyota wheel studs are not known to be overly long to start with. Thus adding 9/16 (less 1/4) only means 5/16 longer wheel stud. We've yet to find any acorn style lug nuts this is an issue with, though we've not tried them all.

For those wondering, here's a pic of it with six shooters. I ground off the rear most brake tabs to make sure I didn't have any clearance issues.

I haven't mounted the brakes yet, so I'll post back up here once I've got the brakes working. Yes, my garage is dirty, deal with it :flipoff2:

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Updates??

Updates??

No new changes, still in stock, still working great!

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so is the red line where the hub needs to be turned for fit tacoma rotors?

Yes

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb156/jamesw4rd/PicS001.jpg
so is the red line where the hub needs to be turned for fit tacoma rotors?

Yes, just taken down so the rotor will slip over. Also, be sure you use IFS hubs, the hub you have pictured is a solid axle hub. Just want to be sure you use the right parts!

You do not use any part of the backing plate. Those only reason to use those rings is to position the dust seal, which may or may not be used. Installing those rings under out caliper mount will cause less thread engagement in the knuckle, and misalign the caliper to the rotor. Here's a good pic showing proper installation.


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