Hey all,
I've got the M&P .40 but just have not gotten around to doing the CCW paperwork. One of the main reasons is that is another couple months I will be graduating (ROTC) and going to training somewhere for the Army. I could probably get the CCW for my permanent home address, but I'm just wondering how does all that work when I'm moving around. Thats the issue that keeps me from getting it. If anyone can shed some light on this issue I'd appreciate it.

I'm not carrying while in uniform or anything like that, just wondering about the moving all the time aspect of it.

1. What are the PA regs on CCW? You'll have to follow that while there regardless. Then when you move to that state you have to see if there is "reciprocity". Meaning does the new state accept PA's CCW permit? Maybe, maybe not. Google is your friend, use it.

2. Military, you can not carry a weapon on a federal instalation at all. You can transport to the armory to check it in, as they do as a " courtesy" for dorm residents. Some bases allow housing residents to maintain firearms. Some bases have skeet ranges, hell some you can even hunt on.

Good luck, hope this helps. Remember, Google is your friend, search for "CCW map" and that should get you started as to which states will take PA's permit. Thanks for stepping up and serving.

TSgt Jeff Ryals

Your ccw is issued by the state, and possibly gets reciprocity in other states. For example, florida and utah ccws are honored in about 40 states.

My brother is in the Marine Corps, stationed in NC, Resident of OH.
His CCW is honored in NC. Depends on your home state and the state your stationed at.

2. Military, you can not carry a weapon on a federal instalation at all. You can transport to the armory to check it in, as they do as a " courtesy" for dorm residents. Some bases allow housing residents to maintain firearms. Some bases have skeet ranges, hell some you can even hunt on.



don't state "facts" that you do not know.


Some bases DO allow CCW and carry in your vehicle only, without any "check in" or armory storage. This is a base by base case and there is specific paperwork to do. and even then it can be denied.
An example would be my base. It allows CCW in vehicle, it allows storage in a secure container in vehicle, BUT the one motherfucker who needs to sign it will not :mad3: and he is NOT required to give a legitimate reason. :shaking:

Most bases require you to "check" your weapon at the gate. In otherwords:
Welcome to Ft Biggreenweenie
"I have a rifle that I am bringing on base"
is it secured and unloaded?
"Yes"
may I see it?
:shows:
Have a nice day sir.

CALL YOUR BASE FIRST !!! as to speak to the head of security or the chief PMO and talk to them, anyone else is a retard.

don't state "facts" that you do not know.


Some bases DO allow CCW and carry in your vehicle only, without any "check in" or armory storage. This is a base by base case and there is specific paperwork to do. and even then it can be denied.
An example would be my base. It allows CCW in vehicle, it allows storage in a secure container in vehicle, BUT the one motherfucker who needs to sign it will not :mad3: and he is NOT required to give a legitimate reason. :shaking:

Most bases require you to "check" your weapon at the gate. In otherwords:
Welcome to Ft Biggreenweenie
"I have a rifle that I am bringing on base"
is it secured and unloaded?
"Yes"
may I see it?
:shows:
Have a nice day sir.

CALL YOUR BASE FIRST !!! as to speak to the head of security or the chief PMO and talk to them, anyone else is a retard.

good to know. Need to call our base, I've had to cancel trips and head back home cause I forgot to take the CCW out more times then I can remember.

good to know. Need to call our base, I've had to cancel trips and head back home cause I forgot to take the CCW out more times then I can remember.

google search instructions for your base or the command it falls under. I found mine by accident but discovered that it was not that uncommon.

Thanks guys. So if I get one in Pa then will I have to do the same type of paperwork in the other state I move to, or just if for some reason someone needs to know about the CCW and I know the state is reciprocal with Pa then I have nothing to worry about because its like I have CCW that state? I hope that makes sense. I'll check online now about what states work with Pa on this issue.

Thanks for the guidance.

http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/reciprocity.php

The website for reciprocal laws.

don't state "facts" that you do not know.


Some bases DO allow CCW and carry in your vehicle only, without any "check in" or armory storage. This is a base by base case and there is specific paperwork to do. and even then it can be denied.
An example would be my base. It allows CCW in vehicle, it allows storage in a secure container in vehicle, BUT the one motherfucker who needs to sign it will not :mad3: and he is NOT required to give a legitimate reason. :shaking:

Most bases require you to "check" your weapon at the gate. In otherwords:
Welcome to Ft Biggreenweenie
"I have a rifle that I am bringing on base"
is it secured and unloaded?
"Yes"
may I see it?
:shows:
Have a nice day sir.

CALL YOUR BASE FIRST !!! as to speak to the head of security or the chief PMO and talk to them, anyone else is a retard.


Well, thanks for the heads up Doc, I'm gonna have to go talk to our SF guys and get this cleared up. I stand corrected.:) Damn a second time I was wrong...

don't state "facts" that you do not know.


Some bases DO allow CCW and carry in your vehicle only, without any "check in" or armory storage. This is a base by base case and there is specific paperwork to do. and even then it can be denied.
An example would be my base. It allows CCW in vehicle, it allows storage in a secure container in vehicle, BUT the one motherfucker who needs to sign it will not :mad3: and he is NOT required to give a legitimate reason. :shaking:

Most bases require you to "check" your weapon at the gate. In otherwords:
Welcome to Ft Biggreenweenie
"I have a rifle that I am bringing on base"
is it secured and unloaded?
"Yes"
may I see it?
:shows:
Have a nice day sir.

CALL YOUR BASE FIRST !!! as to speak to the head of security or the chief PMO and talk to them, anyone else is a retard.


Wrong. It is illegal to carry concealed on any federal installation unless in the performance of your duties, period.


18 U.S.C. § 930 : US Code - Section 930: Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly
possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous
weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility),
or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon
be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes
to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal
facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of
subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal
facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon,
or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as
provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to -
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer,
agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political
subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or
supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or
prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a
Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such
possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons
in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful
purposes.
(e)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly
possesses or causes to be present a firearm in a Federal court
facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title,
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described
in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).
(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the
United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or
orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of
weapons within any building housing such court or any of its
proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.
(g) As used in this section:
(1) The term "Federal facility" means a building or part
thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal
employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing
their official duties.
(2) The term "dangerous weapon" means a weapon, device,
instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is
used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious
bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket
knife with a blade of less than 2 1/2 inches in length.
(3) The term "Federal court facility" means the courtroom,
judges' chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms,
attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the
court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States
marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of
any court of the United States.
(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be
posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal
facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted
conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court
facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under
subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such
notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had
actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.




The local installation commander can make rules regarding transport of firearms on the installation, but no federal installation recognizes state concealed carry permits.

Did you read what you posted? :rolleyes:

Did you read what you posted? :rolleyes:

Yes, I did. Do you suffer reading comprehension difficulties?


(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a
Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such
possession is authorized by law; or


I've been stationed at damn near a dozen different bases, and traveled to at least three dozen, from all four branches of service. Nobody, aside from OSI, NCIS, CID, or federal LEO is authorized to carry concealed on any base. Rules for transporting it don't apply to walking around base with it tucked in your belt.

Um, d00d, look at SUBSECTION D that is referenced in SUBSECTION A in that wall-o-text that you posted! :laughing::laughing::laughing:

"(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons
in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful
purposes."

No transporting there, specifically states "carrying"...

"(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons
in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful
purposes."

No transporting there, specifically states "carrying"...

Correct. Open carrying. This entire thread is about concealed carry though.

Not only can we not carry on posts/bases, the commander can legally prohibit us from carrying concealed off base as well like this dickhead did in Alaska:

http://www.usarak.army.mil/policies/PUBS-ACROBAT/USARAK_Policies/CGCOFS%20POLICY%20STATEMENT%2020.pdf

I've been digging for an overturn of that policy, but it's still posted on the current webpage as policy, so apparently it's legal to restrict our rights off base as well as on.

Correct. Open carrying. This entire thread is about concealed carry though.



CCW with a concealed carry permit IS "a lawful purpose"

Or would you like to argue that? :laughing:

CCW with a concealed carry permit IS "a lawful purpose"

Or would you like to argue that? :laughing:

Federal installations do not recognize state CCW permits (as is clearly stated on the sign at the gate), so no, on a military installation it's not "lawful". Unless you're carrying concealed in the performance of your military duties (like OSI or CID) it's not legal to do so.

Federal installations do not recognize state CCW permits (as is clearly stated on the sign at the gate), so no, on a military installation it's not "lawful". Unless you're carrying concealed in the performance of your military duties (like OSI or CID) it's not legal to do so.

No, it is a base by base or regional stature that must be checked BY THE BASE YOU ARE AT !!
State issued "Concealed Weapons Permits" are not
recognized on board any Navy installation within the Mid-Atlantic
Region but some of the Army bases do authorize it. Hell, you allowed to bring/store firearms on everymotherfuckin base in my area EXCEPT for mine even though it is listed in COMNAVREG MIDLANT INST 5820.2 as being a base that you can do it. :shaking:

Because MY base PMO officer does not allow it.

I have ccw'ed on USAF bases on numerous times. I had the regs printed out in case I had issues with the MPs at the gate the first time, but they were fine. Pre 9/11 though, not sure what the attitude is now.

CCW with a concealed carry permit IS "a lawful purpose"

Or would you like to argue that? :laughing:

I can only speak for Navy and the Corp, however

Actually our happy JAG would love to argue that with you. Doing ATFP I've had this arguement with JAG many times. Local policy may vary (not everyone actually consults the JAG, and unless there is an incident or someone questions the policy local policy rules), but the official JAG policy is no guns unless it a military weapon and on duty, or engaged in organized events like the ranges or hunting areas.

I would definately recommend calling the base first and asking some with some senority. Seaman Timmy or rent a cop bob at the gate will probably look at you funny and cost you a lot of time and grief as its something that does not come up all that often and they have no idea what to do.

I've spent a fair amount of time traveling for PCS and intransit schools. I have always had to check my rifles in.

and for referance here is a quote form the instruction you mentions

c. Registration Check and Storage
(1) Each person desiring to register and store a firearm
on board a naval installation within the Mid-Atlantic Region
must obtain the approval of the Installation Commander. This
approval shall be based on a review of the individual's
background to ascertain character, reliability, and stability.
Precinct Investigations Division will conduct a background
investigation, utilize enclosure (1), and sign enclosure (2).
(2) The installation Security Officer may, in some
individual instances, authorize the introduction of firearms on
the station when requested for temporary storage, skeet
shooting, or display purposes. Such requests will be approved
for short durations for firearms to be transported to and from
designated areas only with such transport being accomplished by
the most direct route. Ammunition shall be stored in the
vehicle away from the firearm during transport to the extent
possible.
d. Storage of Firearms by Combined Bachelor Housing (CBH)
residents. After registration, and if space allows, firearms
shall be stored in the installation's Weapons Department armory.
Firearms may not be stored in any other location on board the
installation except as specifically provided for in this
instruction.
e. Storage of Privately-Owned Firearms by shipboard
personnel. Personnel shall register with the installation
security office and follow procedures outlined in their ship's
instructions.
f. Authorization for Temporary Transportation and Use of
Privately-Owned Firearms and Weapons on board an Installation.
(1) Skeet Club members may bring their shotguns on board
an installation, provided it is the day of the event. The
firearm must be kept unloaded in the vehicle (with a trigger
lock installed) and the owner of the weapon must have a valid
Skeet Club Membership Card.
(2) Individuals bringing firearms or weapons on station
for temporary use, e.g., a one-time event, must first coordinate
with the event sponsor. The event sponsor will submit an
approved list no later than 24 hours prior to the event to the

So it is legal to CC in uniform? I ask because one the Marines manning the Toys for Tots drop at Toys R Us was concealing a mini GLOCK. I only know because when he went to his car leave and removed his jacket I saw it in a SOB holster.

So it is legal to CC in uniform? I ask because one the Marines manning the Toys for Tots drop at Toys R Us was concealing a mini GLOCK. I only know because when he went to his car leave and removed his jacket I saw it in a SOB holster.

I'm really not sure. Open carry would be right out, as your not allowed to hang none uniform items on a uniform. The last 5 years they have been fighting about carrying cell phones on your belt, I can only imagine what they would say about a gun. As long as it was completely concelled, ie no flagging, and there was no standing order against it I can't see why it wouldn't be legal.
I would be willing to be that a local or regional CO would have something to say about the proffessionalism of CCW in uniform especially in a dress uniform doing toys for totts. Their opinion carries the force of law. So its a definate maybe.

If its parts of his official OTJ duties.

So it is legal to CC in uniform? I ask because one the Marines manning the Toys for Tots drop at Toys R Us was concealing a mini GLOCK. I only know because when he went to his car leave and removed his jacket I saw it in a SOB holster.

He was probably reserve. Reserve and national guard play by their own rules. My unit has been made to carry our m9's concealed so that we don't alarm the locals when carrying weapons around.

He was probably reserve. Reserve and national guard play by their own rules. My unit has been made to carry our m9's concealed so that we don't alarm the locals when carrying weapons around.

Alarm the locals? Aren't you in South Kakalakee?

Are they gonna get alarmed that you're carrying around a piece of shit chambered in 9mm? :laughing: :flipoff2:

As a 20 year guardsman let me be the first to say that we do not play by our own rules, we just don't always follow the Army rules well.:) I could write a book on CCW in uniform but it is summed up best by two quotes first from an 0-6 MP Bat CO "Concealed means concealed, if you keep it concealed then no one knows about it and it isn't a problem" this after I had to draw my Glock one night, perp ran away but witnesses reported me! The second quote came from his SGM "If don't ask don't tell is good enough for the fairies then it is good enough for personel weapons"