So after wondering what the Previous Owner was thinking I decided to fix what he did.

He welded on some frame extensions then welded on a winch plate. It looks like he considered bolting it on then after getting a few bolts in it he welded it in place.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01814.jpg

As you can see it offers almost zero protection. So here is what my afternoon in the garage yielded. Well half way into the garage.

1" 1/8 wall square tubing for a frame.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01817.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01818.jpg

I had to switch from 35 wire to 30 in the middle and I really hate 30 but I still got it to lay down.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01821.jpg

Some 1/8" plate to cap it.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01820.jpg

Had some 1/2" walled DOM laying around for braces. Way overkill but it works.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01823.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01824.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01825.jpg

And all wrapped up for now. Needs some truck bed coating tomorrow and a trip to the metal shop to buy a stick of 2" DOM for a stinger.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01827.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01826.jpg

hey, is that the camera angle ir is your caster really that bad?
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01824.jpg

Looking good.

I dont know. Havent even got there yet. Just fixing and improving the glaring stuff right now. I am planning my 3 link build and have a date with the muffler shop to make way for the mount. I know my front pinion angle at the axle is not correct. 3 link will fix that. Sure that will correct the castor as well. This isnt a thread on that though lol.

I really havent driven it much on the road. I will probably do a driveway alignment with chalk and a tap measure tomorrow. Will bad castor angle cause issues on the trail?

hey, is that the camera angle ir is your caster really that bad?
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01824.jpg

Looking good.


you're thinking of camber, which isn't likely adjustable on a solid axle. :flipoff2:

caster is front to back, which that angle won't show.

you're thinking of camber, which isn't likely adjustable on a solid axle. :flipoff2:

caster is front to back, which that angle won't show.

no, i meant caster, when the wheel is turned, bad caster is noticeable...

I dont know. Havent even got there yet. Just fixing and improving the glaring stuff right now. I am planning my 3 link build and have a date with the muffler shop to make way for the mount. I know my front pinion angle at the axle is not correct. 3 link will fix that. Sure that will correct the castor as well. This isnt a thread on that though lol.

Don't take this the wrong way. If this is where your fabrication skills are at currently, I would advise you NOT to build your own 3 link..... you'll die., or kill someone else going down the road. Your bumper is one thing... but suspension parts are different. Why do you have problems with .30 wire? I burn .45 all day long.....
As far as your bumper design, have been off road yet? I hate to tell you, but a good hit and that thing will fold. Your truck is almost twice the weight of a Jeep.... keep that in mind. I'm just trying to save you time. Again, I'm really not trying to sound like a dick. But someone has to tell you.

I will probably do a driveway alignment with chalk and a tap measure tomorrow.

That is how it's done on a Rover!

I have been consistently amazed at how well one can align a Rover using NOTHING more than a tape measure!

Don't take this the wrong way. If this is where your fabrication skills are at currently, I would advise you NOT to build your own 3 link..... you'll die., or kill someone else going down the road. Your bumper is one thing... but suspension parts are different. Why do you have problems with .30 wire? I burn .45 all day long.....
As far as your bumper design, have been off road yet? I hate to tell you, but a good hit and that thing will fold. Your truck is almost twice the weight of a Jeep.... keep that in mind. I'm just trying to save you time. Again, I'm really not trying to sound like a dick. But someone has to tell you.

Jeeps weigh 2500lb?



Seems light. :flipoff2:

But you make some valid points.

It looks simple and it is but I assure you it is tough as nails. I actually smashed it into a tree this evening and it didnt budge. The lower bars are burned in very well to the frame extensions and they are 2" 1/2" walled pieces of DOM. Its not going anywhere. Its light weight and effective.

The rig is not pretty with no chance of getting that way. I wheel it a lot. A couple times a week or more since I got it. Just needed something to keep the trees off of it. We have trails just a few miles away that I think are pretty good. Lots of rocks.

Thanks for the reccomendation on the 3 link. I think I might tack it all in to place and have my buddy who welds for a living burn it on. My skills are good but I am still learning. As for the wire I rarely use anything but 035 the 030 was just something new. Had some trouble tuning my welder to really lay it in deep. I think I had the wire speed a little low.

Thanks guys I appreciate the input. I will post my 3 link mock up.

This is the bracket for the frame side
http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Adjustable-Inner-Frame-Bracket-_p_1462.html

I was going to weld on a 1/8" plate to the frame where I plan to mount the bracket. Welded all the way around with plug welds every few inches. Sound good?

It looks simple and it is but I assure you it is tough as nails. I actually smashed it into a tree this evening and it didnt budge. The lower bars are burned in very well to the frame extensions and they are 2" 1/2" walled pieces of DOM. Its not going anywhere. Its light weight and effective.

The rig is not pretty with no chance of getting that way. I wheel it a lot. A couple times a week or more since I got it. Just needed something to keep the trees off of it. We have trails just a few miles away that I think are pretty good. Lots of rocks.

Thanks for the reccomendation on the 3 link. I think I might tack it all in to place and have my buddy who welds for a living burn it on. My skills are good but I am still learning. As for the wire I rarely use anything but 035 the 030 was just something new. Had some trouble tuning my welder to really lay it in deep. I think I had the wire speed a little low.

Thanks guys I appreciate the input. I will post my 3 link mock up.

This is the bracket for the frame side
http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Adjustable-Inner-Frame-Bracket-_p_1462.html

I was going to weld on a 1/8" plate to the frame where I plan to mount the bracket. Welded all the way around with plug welds every few inches. Sound good?

You don't need the adjustable bracket. There is not enough room for ideal vertical separation so your going to need to mount the upper link up as far as possible on the frame. At least it makes things simple. Mess with AS on the axle end.

That bumper is but ugly, but I can respect it. To each his own.

Thanks Buck. Functional is the key word. Ugly...well that was just a bonus.

1/8 inch is :rainbow:

1/8 inch is :rainbow:

the 1/2" thick tubing makes up for it. thickest-tubing-ever-used-in-a-bumper award winner. :flipoff2:

I should mail him some of the ladder.. :flipoff2:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01827.jpg



it may be an optical illusion, but it looks like your tires are toed out horribly.

Could be. Need to driveway align it yet to get it close. If it is its very minor as it acually tracks really well on the Freeway.

So mighty what do you use thats not Gay? lol.

Could be. Need to driveway align it yet to get it close. If it is its very minor as it acually tracks really well on the Freeway.

So mighty what do you use thats not Gay? lol.

Sheet metal! MOOWHOHAHAHA :vader2:

Could be. Need to driveway align it yet to get it close. If it is its very minor as it acually tracks really well on the Freeway.

So mighty what do you use thats not Gay? lol.

Factory spec is zero toe, or slightly toed out. Many folks advocate a slight toe-in, but I don't. It is not a critical measurement, close is good enough if oyu're not cupping tires.

Good luck with the three link, I've only been trying to get one built for four or five years and hired a fabricator to work with me and that's one of his projects.

I really think it is not going to be to major. I spoke to a friend of mine who is a Rover mechanic and he said I would be OK deleting the O2 sensors and I am putting a high flow cat further back instead of the dual cats like it is now. Going to unhook the O2 Sensors and go for a ride and see how it runs anyway. This will allow me to create the room required on the passenger side inner frame rail for the link mount. I intend to put the link tower on top of the diff and extend my bump stop as much as needed to keep it from doing any damage as it travels up. Its all theory right now. Step one is going to get the exhasut done so I have room to work.

I spoke to a friend of mine who is a Rover mechanic and he said I would be OK deleting the O2 sensors

Do not listen to this individual's suggestions as he is WRONG!
(I'm gonna get ahold of Perrone and let him provide the YOU ARE WRONG story!)

Both sets of O2 sensors are necessary unless you are going to the lengths necessary to do it. I'm not gonna says it's the right way as it isn't. Removing the primary oxygen sensors is pretty stupid as they are necessary to insure stoichiometry. The secondary oxygen sensors can do the job of the primaries in the event of failure of the primary sensors. In a nutshell:

DON'T FUCKING REMOVE YOUR OXYGEN SENSORS!

If you understood the engine management system, you wouldn't even consider removing the oxygen sensors.

Allright....So I shouldnt take out the O2 sensors. Well then is there any chance they will come out with out breaking off? Can I at least delete the after Cat units?

School me on what is best to do here...I am under the impression from Jeep days that the after Cat unit is only to set off the emissions light.

I suppose I can drill a hole in the exhasut after its been changed and weld in a nut to reinstall it. I am hoping however that you are going to tell me I dont need the second one. But as I said help me out and tell me whats best. You kind of said ther is a way to go with out them please do tell. I dont know what IDK.

Allright....So I shouldnt take out the O2 sensors. Well then is there any chance they will come out with out breaking off? Can I at least delete the after Cat units?

School me on what is best to do here...I am under the impression from Jeep days that the after Cat unit is only to set off the emissions light.

I suppose I can drill a hole in the exhasut after its been changed and weld in a nut to reinstall it. I am hoping however that you are going to tell me I dont need the second one. But as I said help me out and tell me whats best. You kind of said ther is a way to go with out them please do tell. I dont know what IDK.


Dude they have weld in bungs for the o2 sensors.. and they are cheap.. cheap ass :flipoff2:...

so why are you moving your exhaust for a 3 link again?

I have a SG one and it clears my exhaust fine?

Yea yea. I know the bungs are cheap. Heres a pic of where I think the 3rd link should go. The disco motor is offset to the drivers side so that side is not really an option. If I mpve the exhaust to the other side of the front drive line and move the cat back then i have room.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/DSC01836.jpg

The rears are primarily to asses catalyst efficiency, but if the front ones fail,t eh abck ones step up and do the job.

Rovers are close to real-time W/R/T fuel trim. The input for the oxygen sensors is far more critical than most other EMS arrangements and it only gets more critical as the trucks get newer.

Some here have used devices to fool the ECU but I wonder if they are really the right way to go.

Any info on tricking the ecu? going to search now.

That is how it's done on a Rover!

I have been consistently amazed at how well one can align a Rover using NOTHING more than a tape measure!

I always use string and thumb tacks. stick the tack into a tire knob and run string from the tack across the sidewalls of the tires at the centerline of the wheel. Most alignment shops would scratch their head once they see the under side of a Rover, Wonderin how it goes straight down the road with no fancy adjustments!

Thats a great method. I understand that full time 4wd vehicles should have 0 degrees of toe but vehicles that allow the front to be disconnected via locking hubs need 3-5mm or so of toe.

Any info on tricking the ecu? going to search now.

Why do you not want the ECU to do its job by tweaking the A/F ratio?

You're in a little too deep for a 3 link.... copy the SG design and no problems. It fits, it works and it's easy( relatively speaking), don't try to re-invent the wheel.

X2, don't fuck with your 02 sensors man. Your "Rover mechanic" is full of shite.

Buck, yeah I was a little light on the Jeep thing:flipoff2:, but I was just trying to make a point.

Ok searching for some good pics of a Safarigard 3 link and not coming up with anything good. Can you hook me up with a pic or 2.

OK just read an install on it. I like my idea better. That looks expensive to buy and very difficult to fab. At least for me. IDK going to enjoy the attempt.

I recently saw a QT 3-link kit used forr sale for 1000 shipped...

I recently saw a QT 3-link kit used forr sale for 1000 shipped...

I thought Chris Ray bought it.

OK just read an install on it. I like my idea better. That looks expensive to buy and very difficult to fab. At least for me. IDK going to enjoy the attempt.


Your idea IS better. But like I joke with people about KOH, my planning was flawless; my execution left a lot to be desired.

Just don't kill yourself or a bus load of orphans. Have somebody smart check your work. Post up here during the process and take the advice you get. Your bumper was a little bit, uh, uninspiring.
:p

Knew I would get flamed for the bumper but hey it works and it has already taken a beating. Still in the same spot too. All those nasty trees can beware.

I thought Chris Ray bought it.

I have no idea. I sent the info to a friend and never heard anyhting more from anyone about it..

Who is Chris Ray?

Who is Chris Ray?

The guy who bought Justin's used Three-link. He's opening a shop in Columbus, Ohio

Just don't kill yourself or a bus load of orphans.

Don't feel too bad about the bus load of orphans - at least there will be no one to grieve over them.

What is easier to unload, a bus load of dead orphans or a truck load of bowling balls?

The bus load of dead orphans, of course. You can use a pitchfork!!!:barf:

What, no cookie-selling Girl Scouts?

Your idea IS better. But like I joke with people about KOH, my planning was flawless; my execution left a lot to be desired.

Just don't kill yourself or a bus load of orphans. Have somebody smart check your work. Post up here during the process and take the advice you get. Your bumper was a little bit, uh, uninspiring.
:p

one of my buddies is an excellent fabricator, he is an industrial mechanic and machinist by trade and has years of welding experience. He designed a triangulated four-link for the front of his CJ-5. It worked beautifully for a few months until the upper link mounts started to tear off the frame because the tabs were 3/16’’ instead of 1/4’’ thick. Good thing we regularly inspect our trail rigs and caught the cracks before it all went pear shaped! and dont paint anything until you have beat on it a bit, paint hides tiny cracks. There’s a good reason NASCAR space frames are only coated with linseed oil! This is not something to screw up!!!

I think everyone who wheels has a friend who is an excellent welder fabricator if they havent achieved this status themselves. I certainly get how important this link is. I wouldnt ever dream of using anything less than 1/4" for tabs. In addition after talking to Buck I am going to plate the mount location with 3/16".

I think everyone who wheels has a friend who is an excellent welder fabricator if they havent achieved this status themselves. I certainly get how important this link is. I wouldnt ever dream of using anything less than 1/4" for tabs. In addition after talking to Buck I am going to plate the mount location with 3/16".

Fawk you! I machine High precision parts for aerospace and defence contractors. Every thing I ever weld gets X rayed. I don’t african engineer bumpers for my ghetto-fab Disco. Get a real Land Rover, you know the ones that came from the factory with steel bumpers!

Fawk you! I machine High precision parts for aerospace and defence contractors. Every thing I ever weld gets X rayed. I don’t african engineer bumpers for my ghetto-fab Disco. Get a real Land Rover, you know the ones that came from the factory with steel bumpers!

I sell endmills for a living! Hanita. Lol. Are you up there at Bombardier? They are a customer of a customer.

3/16 is more than fine btw, as long as it's built with a few go fast tricks. You can even get away with 1/8 if you really know what your doing.

I sell endmills for a living! Hanita. Lol. Are you up there at Bombardier? They are a customer of a customer.

3/16 is more than fine btw, as long as it's built with a few go fast tricks. You can even get away with 1/8 if you really know what your doing.

I sell insurance for a living, so I know all about the bus load of dead orphans/girlscouts!!!:flipoff2:

I sell insurance for a living, so I know all about the bus load of dead orphans/girlscouts!!!:flipoff2:

I need rockcrawler insurance. Want to hook a brother up? I'm very gentile!:flipoff2:

I need rockcrawler insurance. Want to hook a brother up? I'm very gentile!:flipoff2:

Sorry I'm not licensed in Cali:smokin:

Sorry I'm not licensed in Cali:smokin:

Well, that sucks. Thanks for nothing. :p

I sell insurance for a living, so I know all about the bus load of dead orphans/girlscouts!!!:flipoff2:

So you know for a fact if you wreck yourself and someone else, after your home-made, modified vehicule failed your insurance company will want nothing to do with your orphan killing ass!:eek:

You can even get away with 1/8 if you really know what your doing.

So that's your back handed way of saying he should use 1/2"?





















































:laughing:

Fawk you! I machine High precision parts for aerospace and defence contractors. Every thing I ever weld gets X rayed. I don’t african engineer bumpers for my ghetto-fab Disco. Get a real Land Rover, you know the ones that came from the factory with steel bumpers!

I am so proud of you....... I build Commercial Servers for a living leave my welding skils and my Ghetto Disco alone. lol.

I LIKE LEGOS



MY NAME IS LANE :flipoff2:

So that's your back handed way of saying he should use 1/2"?





















































:laughing:

300M.






















:flipoff2:

I love when a perfectly good thread turns into a total Flame-Fest!:mad3:




And Lane, you Lego Rover kicks ass!!! For some stupid reason when I was 17 I gave all my lego to my little cousin. The little shit never appreciated a bit of it.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/lester316d/ist2_5953661-handshake-us-canada.jpg

I LIKE LEGOS

:mad3:
There is no such thing as "legos". Lego is a plural of itself.

Don't make me send this guy .:mr-t:

And Lane, you Lego Rover kicks ass!!! For some stupid reason when I was 17 I gave all my lego to my little cousin. The little shit never appreciated a bit of it.

That's pretty much what happened to mine too. When I went away to college my mum gave it all to my younger cousins - who promptly lost it all. :shaking:

:mad3:
There is no such thing as "legos". Lego is a plural of itself.

Ha ha, I've just been ranting to Mrs Hoggyn about that post. I've heard a few people refer to Lego as Legos recently. I think it stems from the fact that most Lego is now sold as a set of parts to build one particular model. The models are called Legos. In my Lego building days we just got a big set of blocks and wheels etc. We had to use our imagination and ingenuity to make the Lego we had resemble anything in real world. The problem with the modern sets is that it is very difficult to make anything else but what's on the front of the box.

I helped my nephew make some kind of garbage collector model. It was fine until he dropped it and it fell apart. His dad gave him row for ruining it. I couldn't see the problem myself, in my view it was just an oportunity to build it back up into something more interesting.

LEGO my EGGO :flipoff2:

Eggos?

Waffles in a box! Do they sell those in the States? I’ve only every seen Eggos in Canada.

And just so you know, Shaking Hands is now Illegal in Canada due to the H1N1 outbreak. It’s punishable by a $700 fine. They also have Mandatory hand washing stations at the entrance of all public and government buildings.

And just so you know, Shaking Hands is now Illegal in Canada due to the H1N1 outbreak. It’s punishable by a $700 fine. They also have Mandatory hand washing stations at the entrance of all public and government buildings.

Mindless hysteria.
I'm pretty sure I've had H1N1, a mate tested positive for it, I never saw the point in getting tested.
It's just another strain of flu, just spreads quicker because no-one has any immunity. :shaking:


The word LEGO is a brand name, and is very special to all of us in the LEGO group of Companies. We would sincerely like your help in keeping it special. Please always refer to our products as "LEGO bricks or toys" and not "LEGOS"...

Its a joke, There is TV host in Canada called Rick Mercer he has a bit called ’’Talking to Americans’’. You wouldnt believe the things he convinces Americans of, He got Mike Huckabee to congratulate Canada on the completion of our Trans-Canada Railway!(150 years late!) He told someone that our parliament was held in a giant Igloo, and that this year parliament ran until July because the Igloo hadnt melted yet! And they believed it

He told someone that our parliament was held in a giant Igloo, and that this year parliament ran until July because the Igloo hadnt melted yet! And they believed it

That one was famous enough to make it here.:D

And Lane, you Lego Rover kicks ass!!! For some stupid reason when I was 17 I gave all my lego to my little cousin. The little shit never appreciated a bit of it.

Just one of the great things about having a 4 and 5yo AND having a decent job.
I get to buy all sorts of cool Lego kits and its always "for the kids"

I love getting home from work "Dada lets go play lego"

:D

Yes we have Eggo or is it Eggos. That was the question lol.

ill have to get a pic of my lego LR3.
edit, here is a video. i built mine a little different.
YouTube - LEGO City Farm: 4WD with Horse Trailer 7635 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmCJcxbB-0Y)

We should change this thread to leggo

ill have to get a pic of my lego LR3.
edit, here is a video. i built mine a little different.
YouTube - LEGO City Farm: 4WD with Horse Trailer 7635 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmCJcxbB-0Y)


City is lame. Technic is where it's always been at.

For example:
http://cache.lego.com/images/shop/prod/8263-0000-xx-12-1.jpg

Stig, your bumper thread has been JACKED!!!:flipoff2: