Leaving alaska and need a diesel to tow my 24 ft trailer. I have a dodge and a ford lined up for the same price. Both are 2006 4x4 crew cab long beds, with 30,000 miles. They are pretty much the same truck in the same condition and options. I keep hearing the Cummins is far better than 6.0? Any advice would help, Thanks.

First advice would be to look here.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=30

cummins ...

6.0 single handedly ruined the relationship between ford and navistar ...

Cummins X2

cummins

I currently have 2 and I am shopping #3.

I have put about 250k miles on the 2 I have, and I never work on the engines other than changing the oil.

Its hard to shut me up about how rad cummins engines are.

5.9 > 6.0

6 > 8

that is all

If it hasn't been said enough. Cummins without question.

I own both a Dodge and Ford diesels, I like the Ford truck interior better, but considering the questionable record of the 6.0PSD I would choose the Dodge/Cummins.

I have a 06 Cummins and it is a awesome truck. The 6.0 powersmokes are junk. How much are these trucks?

Thanks guys, I will be going with the Dodge. I will get it for around 25K

If you could get the ford with the cummins engine in it that would be the best combo.
My opinion is the dodge trucks suck and the 6.0 is not as good as the cummins. But all that said, I love my 6.0 Got it new in 03 when all the problems started (first year truck and all). That being said I did do head gaskets and ARP studs, but I wanted to make more power and not worry.

I Drove both Dodge and Ford trucks when I got my Ford, and I hated the dodge interior, and the fact that the tranny in the dodge sucked big time at least compared to the Ford 5 speed auto.

I am a Ford man. I have had 4 6.0 trucks. I have put about 400K on these 4 trucks. I currently have a 95 7.3 a 97 7.3 and a 04 6.0. Love them all. I have yet to have troubles out of the 6.0.Most of the troubles are operator induced! Cummins are awesome motors. Only problem is the piece of shit wrapping paper they come in. Dodge! JJ

I was wondering when some ford guys were going to get in on this, I would love to have the cummins in the ford body! I will just have to deal with the dodge body to get the more reliable motor? I just cant afford to blow 25K on the ford and it start to have engine problems.

i have couple friends who just lemon lawed 6.0's and we had one at work that was in the shop way more than out. why do you think that engine was onnly used for a couple years vs how long they used the 7.3 which is bad ass. i switched from ford to cummins for my new truck cause i didnt like any of there new motors. im happy with my cummins

DODGE> ford

i am a ford man. I have had 4 6.0 trucks. I have put about 400k on these 4 trucks. I currently have a 95 7.3 a 97 7.3 and a 04 6.0. Love them all. I have yet to have troubles out of the 6.0.most of the troubles are operator induced! Cummins are awesome motors. Only problem is the piece of shit wrapping paper they come in. Dodge! Jj

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This is a hardcore 4x4 site. There are a metric shit ton of websites that dispute what truck is better. I'm not going to get into all of that here. Like I said most of the problems are operator related. I pulled up to a hydraulic shop last week and another service truck was sitting outside idling. The guy that worked for the company was inside buying some stuff. As soon as he seen my Ford in the lot he started bashing on the Ford saying that it was in the shop more that he got to drive it. I told him NO SHIT! Of corse. If you let it idle all the time I bet you have an injector go South about every two months. He said how do you know. I said are you not a diesel mechanic???????????? Then I asked him what kind of filters they used in it. His answer was Baldwin. And I walked away. JJ

I have had both. My favorite is the Dodge Cummins.

Towing forum???

definatly cummins. the first one i had ended up having over 700k on it befor it got totaled

cummins..ive owned 4..i towed 2years for a living..never let me down...

I love the ride, comfort and power (when it lasts) of the ford. I would get a dodge cummins WAY before ever stepping into a 6.0 again. I chose a duramax on the truck I have now and LOVE the truck Only downside is the front suspension imo.

We just got rid of a couple of trucks in the last little bit, both with ~100,000km's on them:

Truck One:
2007 F-350 CC, SB, SRW, Lariat, Auto. Paid ~54k and sold for $24k;
Put in one ball joint, one ESOF hub and a set of rotors and pads front & back and the serpentine belt tensioner also calfed.

Truck Two:
2007 5.9 Dodge 3500 MC, DRW, Laramie, Auto. Paid ~62k and sold for $26k;
Put in a set of rotors and pads front & back and needed all four ball joints and both unit bearings replaced when traded in. And it had just had the transmission out for the third time...

Strangely enough given that our experiences with the 2006 versions of the same trucks was pretty similar we now have two new 6.4l Fords and Dodge is no longer on the shopping list.

dodge

i have a 1997 1 ton Diesel automatiac trans

trans been slipeing since 2001 but still pull like a mother fawk :D

It sounds like dodge has a weak tranny?? Is there something I should check. I mean do they have a tranny thats better or worse than another?

It sounds like dodge has a weak tranny?? Is there something I should check. I mean do they have a tranny thats better or worse than another?


Auto trans is fine until you bomb the truck or tow stuff that would make a Kenworth cringe. I literally know a dozen guys with stock or mildly modded Cummins autos that have had zero problems.

Auto trans is fine until you bomb the truck or tow stuff that would make a Kenworth cringe. I literally know a dozen guys with stock or mildly modded Cummins autos that have had zero problems.

85%+ of the towing time the 100% stock Dodge's (and the Fords) had a "Kenworth cringing" load of around 6000#'s of enclosed trailer:

473356

Auto trans is fine until you bomb the truck or tow stuff that would make a Kenworth cringe. I literally know a dozen guys with stock or mildly modded Cummins autos that have had zero problems.


if you call pulling my 20 ft tralier with my 28 hp farmpro tractor and or with 2 4 whllers and r my 16 ft mud boat and r my min truck over laoding it

some one is somkeing some crank around hear


i did over laod it once a palter of parivng bolcks on a hr diver home

but yes dodge autos r weak just like there fronts ends r
whish i just spend 10 gigs on ( nice ditch i all most fell in at the dear camp )

and if any one says any thing defernt there someking some crank :flipoff2:

r and i whould buy one new now if i had 35 gigs to spend on one:grinpimp:

sheit i only pull this

50% of the time what a load
[http://whoremeout.net/shop/boat.jpg
my 1997 1 ton
http://whoremeout.net/shop/truck.jpg

if you call pulling my 20 ft tralier with my 28 hp farmpro tractor and or with 2 4 whllers and r my 16 ft mud boat and r my min truck over laoding it

some one is somkeing some crank around hear


i did over laod it once a palter of parivng bolcks on a hr diver home

but yes dodge autos r weak just like there fronts ends r
whish i just spend 10 gigs on ( nice ditch i all most fell in at the dear camp )

and if any one says any thing defernt there someking some crank :flipoff2:

r and i whould buy one new now if i had 35 gigs to spend on one:grinpimp:

sheit i only pull this

50% of the time what a load
[http://whoremeout.net/shop/boat.jpg
my 1997 1 ton
http://whoremeout.net/shop/truck.jpg


Uhhhhhh, English please?

I have an 06 Dodge with over 90000 miles and have towed a 20 ft car hauler loaded coast to coast and a 24ft enclosed trailer several thousand miles.. I have had no problems with my truck and have performed regular routine maintenance and relaced the stock wheels and tires at 65000 miles..so I would recomend the Dodge.. I also have two other Cummins powered Dodgesone with and auto and one with a getrag.. the auto I broke the mounting flange off the OD/Tcase adapter the getrag sometimes pops out of 2nd gear so I am sure it needs a rebuild but both have over 250000.. I also had a 94 that had over 200000 when I sold it.. I had to replace the 5th gear nut on it then something in the governer and I traded it for a F250 which would not pull near as good as the Dodge..

Thanks for the info desert 4wheeler, it looks like i will get the dodge. I will post some pics when i get it. Anybody need anything from Alaska?

The cummins is rated medum/heavy duty. The IH is light/medum duty. The Rt crane I run at the plant has a old 12 valver in it. Blue bird useto put them in school busses. The only other place Iv seen them PS IH is a junk yard.

The cummins is rated medum/heavy duty. The IH is light/medum duty.

Prove this statement with some documentation to show this or stop spouting off BS. IH used the powerstroke in International medium duty trucks just like Cummins had 6BT in medium duty trucks. :shaking:

relex billy boy your gonna blow a gasket. I just used 2 examples of the 6bt in heavy duty applications. if u got an example of the ps in an hd app Ill gladly take back what I said.

relex billy boy your gonna blow a gasket. I just used 2 examples of the 6bt in heavy duty applications. if u got an example of the ps in an hd app Ill gladly take back what I said.

many of the International 4100, 4200, 4300, and other medium duty's, look on the front fenders. Does it say T444e? Or VT365? Yeah, thats a powerstroke in a non-light duty app. Now gladly take back what you said. :shaking:

(im not a ford guy and never will own a ford, but I dont have patience for know-it-all morons)

ben

:shaking:We just got rid of a couple of trucks in the last little bit, both with ~100,000km's on them:

Truck One:
2007 F-350 CC, SB, SRW, Lariat, Auto. Paid ~54k and sold for $24k;
Put in one ball joint, one ESOF hub and a set of rotors and pads front & back and the serpentine belt tensioner also calfed.

Truck Two:
2007 5.9 Dodge 3500 MC, DRW, Laramie, Auto. Paid ~62k and sold for $26k;
Put in a set of rotors and pads front & back and needed all four ball joints and both unit bearings replaced when traded in. And it had just had the transmission out for the third time...

Strangely enough given that our experiences with the 2006 versions of the same trucks was pretty similar we now have two new 6.4l Fords and Dodge is no longer on the shopping list.

You are paying way too much for your trucks

:shaking:

You are paying way too much for your trucks

He's paying in Canuckian Pesos.:flipoff2:

I don't like auto transmissions in tow rigs. I bought a 01 Dodge Cummins new with an A/T and have driven and rode in a few Dodge, GM and Fords with autos and manuals, (except for a manual Duramax).

It seems to me that the autos don't transfer as much power to the ground.

It seems to me that the autos don't transfer as much power to the ground.

Ehh??? When i hit 2nd gear im locked up, no loss through the converter any more.... you just had a stock converter. After i built my 47re i gave up on the crappy g360, 4500, 5600 and the g56's in dodge trucks. They just cannot compare. Takes just as much or more to build a manual than an auto.

I've never had a 6.0 but i've had experience these problems with dodge.

2005 cummins turbo diesel
Owned it from 91,000 to 140,000
-Blown engine (excessive blow by and oil puking from overflow vent)
-bad ecu ??
-injector problems i've replace 3 so far

My 7.3 got dedicated to a drag racing project recently but it never let anybody down once from 0-221,000 miles except an altenator, glow plug relay, cps sensor.

To each his own but the 2006 ford truck is far superior to the dodge minus the engine but i would opt for the cummins unless you want to spend a couple thousand to fix the problems the 2006 6.oh had, Egr delete, head studs. The auto in the ford seems to handle power better in stock form better than the 47re and the Zf6 in the ford is better than a G56 but if your keeping them stock no worries on the drivetrain at all.

Ehh??? When i hit 2nd gear im locked up, no loss through the converter any more.... you just had a stock converter. After i built my 47re i gave up on the crappy g360, 4500, 5600 and the g56's in dodge trucks. They just cannot compare. Takes just as much or more to build a manual than an auto.

I have never driven a Dodge with a built auto. I thought about building my 47RE but I sold the truck and built a tow rig with a NV4500.

:shaking:

You are paying way too much for your trucks

Your powers of observation are great.

:shaking:.

The Fords look better in my mind and i think the Body and chassis is better than the dodge but i will never own one. A buddy of mine has a 03 6.0 and is constantly having issues with it.. Good thing he has a freind that is a service manager at our local dealership or the last set of headgaskets and the third transmission would not have been coverd under warranty.... But for me you just cant beat the Cummins as long as it is backed by a manual trans.

My father has a 97 12valve with a fully built trans and i still dont like it for towing. Auto's suck for towing.

I will keep my 01 24valve ,six speed with the southbend clutch. Has never let me down no matter what i have hooked to the hitch.

Why not a Duramax? :D

6.6 > 5.9, 6.0, 6.7, 7.3, 6.4 :flipoff2:

Looks like you already made up your mind, but I'd get the 5.9

if AMC were still around they could build us a Ford Superduty with a 5.9 commonrail cummins and throw an Allision outback! Hope this answers your question!

This is a hardcore 4x4 site. There are a metric shit ton of websites that dispute what truck is better. I'm not going to get into all of that here. Like I said most of the problems are operator related. I pulled up to a hydraulic shop last week and another service truck was sitting outside idling. The guy that worked for the company was inside buying some stuff. As soon as he seen my Ford in the lot he started bashing on the Ford saying that it was in the shop more that he got to drive it. I told him NO SHIT! Of corse. If you let it idle all the time I bet you have an injector go South about every two months. He said how do you know. I said are you not a diesel mechanic???????????? Then I asked him what kind of filters they used in it. His answer was Baldwin. And I walked away. JJ

ive let my truck idle for nights on end, and when its -20* outside I leave it running a lot. My friends with their cummins's dont shut theirs off either. Ive never had problems in 145k miles... Everyone whines and says the 6.0 gets a bad rap because people dont know about the operating quirks and "well you have to do this this and that and THEN they will last". If you put in studs and delete the EGR THEN it will be reliable. If you dont idle it for more than 5 minutes at a time THEN the injectors wont wear out. The fuckin thing should be reliable as it came from the factory, and you should be able to run it however you want...which the 6.0 is NOT and you CANT, respectively. :shaking:

thats like saying "well the 6.5 gets a bad rap, it can be perfectly reliable if you do a remote mount PMD, duramax fan upgrade, 97+ cooling mods, add an intercooler, and install head studs and main studs".

to the original poster- you didnt mention duramax so its obvious you dont want one, and im not gonna sit here and try to convince you otherwise. Of the two you mentioned, get the 5.9 cummins and dont even think twice about it. It will be a great engine that will last forever. (notice I didnt say great truck :flipoff2:, just kidding )

ben

My father has a 97 12valve with a fully built trans and i still dont like it for towing. dodgeAuto's suck for towing.

fixed it for you. :flipoff2:

Now when I joke about that, im not basing it on the reliability factor. I dont care if your 47/48re has towed all its life and is still original after 150k miles. Its that its not a good "design" for towing...its more or less a TF727 with upgrades; Ive towed with 47/48re's and I wanted to drive the truck off a cliff. How the converter unlocks on decel, the ratios are retarded, and the thing freewheels like its its job. Doesnt even come close to doing the awesome cummins any justice.

ben

many of the International 4100, 4200, 4300, and other medium duty's, look on the front fenders. Does it say T444e? Or VT365? Yeah, thats a powerstroke in a non-light duty app. Now gladly take back what you said. :shaking:

(im not a ford guy and never will own a ford, but I dont have patience for know-it-all morons)

ben

here we go again. I said the ps was a light and medium duty motor. I know alot cus I know how to read. But thats the tipe of shit Id expect from a dude with a jap moter in his chevy ( isuzo makes the duramax).:flipoff2:

here we go again. I said the ps was a light and medium duty motor. I know alot cus I know how to read. But thats the tipe of shit Id expect from a dude with a jap moter in his chevy ( isuzo makes the duramax).:flipoff2:

Yes, but you don't know how to spell, so you still look like a retard. :flipoff2:

ben

Dodge with a 6 speed and never look back.... Or duramax ... Ford=problems

I know I cant spell.:homer: