GREAT NEWS on OX
I just learned that Ox Trax is FINALLY decided to sell direct to the consumer.

blah blah blah,

Spam.....



Spam......

Spam.....

etc.
This is a public service announcement, I have no ownership or employee interest in this Company, just like the product and the people behind it. John


_SEE BELOW_________________

But is it any cheaper??? Buying directly from most companies means paying retail prices.

TRUE THAT ....TRUE THAT....:flipoff2:

Originally posted by JDN


I have no ownership or employee interest in this Company, just like the product and the people behind it. John



So that means your friends with the owners and you come on here and pimp their shit for them while they don't pay for advertising. Nice :rolleyes:

Originally posted by bigdude


So that means your friends with the owners and you come on here and pimp their shit for them while they don't pay for advertising. Nice :rolleyes:

I was kinda thinkin the same thing ;)

It doesnt really matter to me though....now you can get a relatively unproven product that is a pian in the ass direct from the factory :rolleyes: Thanks but no thanks. I like lockers without any more moving parts than necessary ;)

Wow tough crowd:flipoff2:

Did they ever get a OX locker out for the 60?

Originally posted by 66CJdean

Did they ever get a OX locker out for the 60?

Wondering the same thing...

Sheesh even I'm more sneaky at spamming. I guess it's a names that start with "J" thing.

At least try to diguise it :flipoff2: :rolleyes:

What's the deal with the Ox locker, I thought about getting one, but a buddy of mine has all kinds of trouble keeping it engaged. He has to keep making adjustments to the cable or some shit like that. Are they really worth it?

A little bit of insider info here as far as cost: Ox (owned and funded now by Superior) only gives 15% back from retail to the 7 or so "authorized" distributors. This did not make them very happy, as they are used to seeing a 30-35 point margin on goods.
Remember originally they sold it all as a kit? Cable included with locker. The retailers bitched so they split it up so they could make more margin on the whole deal. They assured the retailers that the price would come down as soon as they turned some of the CNC'd pieces into castings, thus making it cheaper to produce. Makes you wonder.:confused:

Screw that.
IMO Cast = crappy :nuke: parts

I'm still going with ARB's.

Weasel,
You got that right! Amazing how companies do things like that and wheelers(consumers) don't even know. But hey, its all about money to most of these big companies.

I am going to ignore the typical BULLSHIT one finds on this thread, however for those interested:
1. Yes, I was down at the plant and saw that they had on site OX lockers for the Std. D60 ready to ship. How many, and how long they will last before the next production run, I dont know. Suggest you call them for details.
2. Regarding shifting mechanism. The new shifters are spring loaded and should require no adjustment. I have them and they work fine for me.
3. Those people who had adjusting problems USUALLY had unusual cable routing situations. I routed mine straight in from front and rear meaning to engage my front I move the lever forward, to engage my rear I move my lever backward. Some people want to move the levers in the same direction but to do that means a big loop in the rather stiff cable and I believe that is where there problems arise, presuming they initially adjusted it properly.
Anyone else want info please email me directly as I dont wish to be accused of spamming when all I was trying to do is alert youall to what I think is a good thing. john

And what "BULLSHIT" is that? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by TJ Fan
A little bit of insider info here as far as cost: Ox (owned and funded now by Superior) only gives 15% back from retail to the 7 or so "authorized" distributors. This did not make them very happy, as they are used to seeing a 30-35 point margin on goods.
Remember originally they sold it all as a kit? Cable included with locker. The retailers bitched so they split it up so they could make more margin on the whole deal. They assured the retailers that the price would come down as soon as they turned some of the CNC'd pieces into castings, thus making it cheaper to produce. Makes you wonder.:confused:

I want to know where you got this "insider info" that they are cast?
They are NOT cast, they are CNC machined out of billit.

Originally posted by JeepinIan


I want to know where you got this "insider info" that they are cast?
They are NOT cast, they are CNC machined out of billit.

It sounds to me like he means they intended to start casting - thus reducing cost, but never did

"They assured the retailers that the price would come down as soon as they turned some of the CNC'd pieces into castings, thus making it cheaper to produce."

Thanks Mo, thats exactly what I said and meant, whether they have done it yet, I am not sure. What I do know is, I feel that would be a bogus move on their part. As far as the "insider info" heres how that works 1) Get a job at a large automotive aftermarket company company due to the fact my brain is worth a couple of bucks. ;) 2) Be involved with these companies on a day to day basis, and the best one 3) Get off your ass and go to SEMA and talk to all of them both sober and intoxed.:D

Originally posted by TJ Fan
due to the fact my brain is worth a couple of bucks. ;)

Did you mean, "due to the fact THAT" your brain is worth a couple of bucks...?

:flipoff2:

shitty grammar is considered proof of an engineering "edumacation"

Originally posted by JeepinIan


I want to know where you got this "insider info" that they are cast?
They are NOT cast, they are CNC machined out of billit.



What components are they considering when they claim that all of the parts are CNC'd from billet?
I have heard from two seperate, and very reliable sources, that the spider gear assembly in the units that they disassembled, was all stock spicer components.
Production cost cant be that much, when using stock components that are already available, for large portions of the assembly. I think cost of a Dana 44 Spicer spider gear assembly is only about $60.
I would also not consider the stock Spicer spider gears to be strong enough to handle, very aggressive rock crawling.

Correct me if Im wrong.

Did you mean, "due to the fact THAT" your brain is worth a couple of bucks...?

:blender: is what my brain feels like about now! You should try living with a spouse who is an English teacher! I am always getting corrected on verbage!:D Does not seem to make me any better though!

H8Monday: Great point, can't wait to hear the response on that one:D

from their website
http://www.oxtrax.com/oxlockerfile/oxpages/oxindex2.html

Originally posted by JDN
I am going to ignore the typical BULLSHIT one finds on this thread,

Looks like your 1st post is the only thing that's been ruled bullshit :laughing:

Damn, another debate, I like my OX, I use it on the trail, I don't compete, it has never come unlocked accidentally, it does need a little coaxing to lock and unlock, but nothing unbearable, I mean, like 3 seconds of presure on the shifter, maybe a quick jerk of the wheel. I would be dissapointed if the switched to a cast case, but isn't the ARB cast? I wonder about the strength of the spiders, but the fact that they are off-the shelf parts means that they don't have to be shipped from the other side of the planet and they don't need to dome from the locker manufacturer. My ARB broke the cast case, and the spiders, and everything else, but I don't know if it was a defective unit, or if it was improperly installed, I know lots of people with ARB's that love them, same with OX's, I also know several people with problematic ARB's and a few with problematic OX's Anyway, I like mine, you like yours, let's go wheelin!

By the way, for those of you that have been following all this OX vs. ARB crap, I sent H8Monday a hub in one of my OX-Trax boxes...he, he, he. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by 4Bangler
By the way, for those of you that have been following all this OX vs. ARB crap, I sent H8Monday a hub in one of my OX-Trax boxes...he, he, he. :flipoff2:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Just to reply to the brainy know it all:
1. Ox is NOT owned by Superior
2, Ox does not, has not, never intends to use any castings at all. In fact, I believe OX may be the ONLY locker not using castings. Their parts are from Billeted steel CNC milled, they got 4 CNC machines in their shop. SOME parts are currently FORGED, forging is considered STRONGER then even CNC milling of billeted steel.
3. Ox manufactures some of their gears and buys certain others from Spicer. None are what you would call stock gears. All are special steel case hardened with expensive heat treatment. The entire Ox system is designed to be FAIL SAFE.
Now, for the rest of you, if this is spamming I apologize, it is not my intent, but I am just not going to sit back and allow lies, mistruths and innuendo do be posted with no response on my part. jdn

Originally posted by JDN
...lies, mistruths and innuendo...

C'mon Dude!

This is the internet! You're never gonna stomp out all the lies, mistruths and innuendo!

For the record, I like my Ox 44s f&R. :p

:flipoff2: ,
Jake

Well.......someones panties are in a bunch:D
If you want to debate between "owned" and "funded".. OK
Since you know nothing about me or who I know or what I know I am not even going to argue with you, I mean really...how could I compete against this:

JDN on JU
"John, 2001 Sahara,Warn M8,000 winch; Cobra 75 CB; OME suspension, JKS discos, Currie MM and track bar, JKS body lift, fully armored,RE chrom/moly tie rod, Superior Super 44 rear, D30 front, OX Lockers front and rear; 4.56 gearing; 33" BFG M/T KM's hilift jack; fire extenguisher; yellow top Optima Battery, turbo city air tube and filter; QuickAire III OBA; Rubicon Express Hand Throttle; OX Specialty On Board Shower and Jeep Washdown Kit"

I am not slamming them but it is funny how you are in Boca Raton, Fl and they are in Fort Lauderdale, FL. People will buy what they want...and I dig the "SOME parts are currently FORGED, forging is considered STRONGER then even CNC milling of billeted steel." I think you have a few more variables at play there then you realize. Oh well...."brainy" huh...I guess it's just in the gene's for some of us....

Originally posted by TJ Fan
JDN on JU
"John, 2001 Sahara,Warn M8,000 winch; Cobra 75 CB; OME suspension, JKS discos, Currie MM and track bar, JKS body lift, fully armored,RE chrom/moly tie rod, Superior Super 44 rear, D30 front, OX Lockers front and rear; 4.56 gearing; 33" BFG M/T KM's hilift jack; fire extenguisher; yellow top Optima Battery, turbo city air tube and filter; QuickAire III OBA; Rubicon Express Hand Throttle; OX Specialty On Board Shower and Jeep Washdown Kit"

Bwaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!


But what about your seat covers? And bullet hole stickers???

:laughing: :flipoff2:

I dont have any bullet hole stickers or seat covers, but I do have some WEST VIRGINIA pin striping. You do know what that is DONT YOU? Incidentally, I already got over 34k on my jeep cause I have made THREE western trips and FOUR trips to Tellico since getting it in 2001. However, I own THREE JEEPS and I have been offroading since 1989.
Brainey: Yep, I live in Boca about 30 miles from the plant. Been there many times, inspected not only their lockers and ujoints but the competititons. THATS why I know what I am talking about.
I appreciate quality and thats what OX supplies, thats why I am so hot on them. They are not for everyone, its a highly specialized piece of EQUIPMENT made for the hard core offroader. You probably dont need them, get a locktite. jdn

hahahahah!
check this out guys
a buddy of mine has front and rear ox's.he has so much problems with it i cannot explain well he spoke to the owner ,designer a couple of times and then could never get in touch with him evere again.

my buddy gave me this dudes number in fla. his name is LAZ now supposedly he is the owner and designer,so i called him not once not twice but 6 times .left tons of messages he never got back to me .now all i wanted to know if he had made the 60 kit yet or what.just for him not getting back to me i say

FAWK THEM IN THE HEART

take ox and wipe your ass with them.very poor PR in my opinion.

i still need front an rear lockers and will prolly go with arb's or look into wolfgangs vacum lockers if the actuator can be moved on top of the axle it would be the best out there,besides macnamara's...

Originally posted by JDN
Yep, I live in Boca about 30 miles from the plant. Been there many times, inspected not only their lockers and ujoints but the competititons. THATS why I know what I am talking about.
I appreciate quality and thats what OX supplies, thats why I am so hot on them. They are not for everyone, its a highly specialized piece of EQUIPMENT made for the hard core offroader.

You haven't been to any competitions I've been at. I call bullshit on that.

If it's so hardcore then how come no real competitors use them?? Tell me about it tough guy, come on. Also I'll take your JU ass to some real wheeling if you think you know what you're talking about, you don't. Don't get all rugged on me with your 33s therre tough guy :laughing:

I've invited those OX fellows to come to my private pile before (located in FL, not far from them), nobody had the balls to accept :rolleyes:

Originally posted by bigdude


So that means your friends with the owners and you come on here and pimp their shit for them while they don't pay for advertising. Nice :rolleyes:

That's funny stuff!!!

JDN,

Used to be that I thought you were Mr. Hardcore. Until I met you. Now, you're a mall cruiser.

Here is some more:



What are you....The Public Broadcast Network?

Oh...and as soon as "loctite" sells lockers, I will have one or two...they make great sticky shit!!!:flipoff2:

I really don't care where you have been with your rigs.:p

Originally posted in bigdude's sig
1998 Jeep Wrangler SE, 2.5L Automatic, Big-O Big Foot A/P 29x9.25 tires, American Racing Wheels, removed front bumperettes, Rear Light Guards, Flowmaster 40 Series, Uniden 520XL CB, 4 ft. Firestik II, 50 watt PA, Pioneer DEH-7400MP, 2 x Infinity Kappa 4x6's, 2 x Infinity Kappa 6x9's in soundbar, Pioneer 480 watt 4-channel Amplifier, All Monster Cable

Phase One: Electronics; Status: Complete
Phase Two: Front End; Status: In Progress

Coming Soon: Olympic Front End and Brush Guards (On Backorder), LightForce Lights (Postponed Until After Lift/Tires)
Saving For: BFG 31x10.5 Mud-Terrain Tires, 2" BB Lift


Is this some sort of ironic new free-form existentialist beat poetry?

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

William:unless you on the Rubicon trail with me I dont think we have ever met. But, if we did I presume you are telling me what a really nice jeep I have. Thanks.
You with the 4banger--DONT MAKE ME LAUGH SO HARD. Not good for my heart at my age.
Brainey, no locktite is adequate for you, you know you'll have "welded gears" hehe.
As to the PILE, I know they go out to Big Cypress a lot one of them LOVES THE MUD. Dont know where your pile is but I prefer rocks myself.
Hmmm, who else can I respond in the typical "pirate" way too? jdn

Well, looks like a lot of facts to me and no "bullshit"

Score:
OX: 0
ARB/DETROIT/SPOOL=1(or more:D )

BigDude: Spaceghost told me about your spring situation...I am trying to track some down for you.:D

Oh, and to JDN::flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:
hahahaha

Originally posted by JDN
I presume you are telling me what a really nice jeep I have. Thanks.
No, not really, it's a Jeep, but the rest is my opinion which only applies to how I jeep, and what I jeep on....
I'll only say that because it's a rolling advertisement for OX. You have THE LARGEST OX sticker on your rear hardtop window. Kind of would seem that you're on the nipple of OX...
That said,
I don't have any preference either way on the OX. The new shifter is wonders over the old, that's for sure. It's a stout locker from what my friend tells me, and from riding in his jeep, it seems that it only has one minor draw back. Once engaged, it's cool.
But with your post and the HUGE STICKER on your back window, it would seem that you're kind of.. you know.. on your knees or something.

BTW, if I remember right, you're on 32's, not 33's.

Originally posted by JDN
As to the PILE, I know they go out to Big Cypress a lot one of them LOVES THE MUD. Dont know where your pile is but I prefer rocks myself.

Running mud doesn't stress components nearly as much as running "Bigdude's Backyard" also known as the pile..... I don't think you have the grapefruits

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid25/p81cc11c7f52c70e1918c3cb8a69d29c3/fd887219.jpg

Here's me giving you a salute (although a not too clearly)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid26/pb459c3c5d08d110ca798a490638044aa/fd82c26e.jpg

*The pile is locate in Central FL and brought to any wheeler exclusively by "bigdude". All rights reserved and you'll never find/access it w/o me :flipoff2:

Originally posted by William

BTW, if I remember right, you're on 32's, not 33's.

Oh JDN...

33s don't meet the minumum height requirement to enter the pile. Maybe one day when you grow up :laughing:

Man this thread made me laugh. Although Im neither an ARB or OX guy, I found this thread funny. JDN, as far as Im concerned, I agree with William. This isnt the joint for free ads.
Scott

Originally posted by bigdude


Oh JDN...

33s don't meet the minumum height requirement to enter the pile. Maybe one day when you grow up :laughing:




LMAO!! I wanna play on the pile

JDN, please shut up, you're doing more damage than good for OX on this board. I will say again, I like my OX, it works for me, and although my male parts are not big enough to compete, competition is not everything in the world. I still the the potential for failure is greater with an air pressure dependant locker that with a mechanical cable locker.

Wait a minute, you have OX stickers? You suck, I bought my Dana 44 OX right when they were first released, no damn stickers for me, hell, even my old, now broken, ARB came with stickers.

Hmm......anyway, I still like my OX, and if I could get my junk down to FL, I would love to run Big Dudes rock pile. Ah....the sounds of 2.5's gettin'it in the rocks.....anyway, I would bet that I could wheel my junk all day long in those rocks, with my 35's, and only break a few stock front shafts, maybe a rear 28 spline 9" shaft, but I bet my OX would make it through the day unscathed. Maybe next spring I'll get down there, I'd like to visit my Grandpa in St. Pete anyway, I should be on 37" MTR's with alloy's and CTM's in the new HP Dana 44 front, and 31 spline shafts in my new full floater 9" with a new 1/4 ellip rear to try out.

I guess I'm still waiting for an electromagnetic locker that will hold up to 5 ft lbs less than the weakest link in the drivetrain before popping a re-setable breaker. Now that would be a selectable locker, although reliant on electrical current is only slightly better than relying on 90 psi.

In summary, JDN, you're a tool, please shut up, Bigdude, I would love to run your rock pile any day of the week, as soon as I can get my junk to Florida, and for all you anit OX folks out there :flipoff2: I like mine and that's all that matters to me, enough with the bitching and name calling and back to the tech!

LMAO Nice sig line BigDude ... ya' sally. :flipoff2:

JDN, face it ya' weenie. It's time to tuck your tail in between your camel toe and hightail it out of the dark side. You just got called out like the red headed step daughter you are ... or wish you were.

cm "got dress" k

ALl this bullcrap going about levers not staying engaged due to cable blah blah blah.

I'm gonna stick with CHeapass Locrites in my stock axled XJ.

I will have a spools and detroits in my CJ and buggy.
I won't have to worry about silly levers and engagement issues.
only levers I need are twin stick Tcase levers and my gear shift lever.

WHat the fawks gonna happen next Super cheat code lever sequinces like a playstation to get you through certain obstacles.

Dude any one have the OX locker super cheat code to get me through the Gate keeper. I think it was
Lock front lock rear unlock unlock turnwheel lock unlock but It don't seem to work.

Keep it simple learn and how to drive.

Originally posted by JDN
...but I am just not going to sit back and allow lies, mistruths and innuendo do be posted with no response on my part. jdn

What good is the internet if you can't spread misinformation?

Hmmm, OX, sounds tough. Do you ever want to make the ARB psssst sound when you disengage it? I prefer the ratcheting and banging of my detroits, let's me know they are having fun. :D

Originally posted by 4Bangler
By the way, for those of you that have been following all this OX vs. ARB crap, I sent H8Monday a hub in one of my OX-Trax boxes...he, he, he. :flipoff2:



I spent an hour trying to adjust the flaps on the box so that they would engage smoothly when I tried to close it back up.
I finally gave up, and just left it open. :flipoff2:

Thanks for the hub, by the way, I got it yesterday.
Oh yeah, did I ever mention that your tech info is so brilliant that it make me feel inadequate by comparrison.;)

Ok folks, its been fun bantying back and forth.
Incidentally, Big Dude, I spoke to Laz and he did recall someone contacting him about a place in C. Fla. but said he tried and tried and couldnt get you back?? Anyhow, he is interested so if you really want to meet him and wheel together give him another call but the next 3 months look very busy to him he said.
William, I guess you did meet me if you know about that sticker. Far as I know they give them out to people buying the locker now. I like the OX pulling, I really wasnt thinking of it as an advertisment. Most people put it on the side of their jeep.
To the rest of you, I know you all feel competitition is where its at and that is fine. I have never had an interest, other then as a spectator, in that sort of thing. My joy is exploring. Over the many years that I have been jeeping (learned to drive on a 1952 jeep) I and my wife have been virtually all over the USA and parts of Mexico and Canada on rarely travelled trails. Its only been in the past 3 years that I joined a club and started getting into group events and doing the more popular trails. I think I have a pretty well thought out trail rig but its not a competition rig. I drive my jeep to all places, its not a trailer queen. Plus as you people age you will begin to learn the benefits of 33" tires. haha.
So, good luck to you all in your competitions, maybe I will see you sometime. John

FYI: The OX locker for the 60 is out. As for the u-joint they make, check out the Fire Ant.

Originally posted by JDN
My joy is exploring. Over the many years that I have been jeeping (learned to drive on a 1952 jeep) I and my wife have been virtually all over the USA and parts of Mexico and Canada on rarely travelled trails. ..... Plus as you people age you will begin to learn the benefits of 33" tires. haha.

JDN, Not to burst your bubble, but the trails you've run could be done on 31's and a lockrite. Now I know, I know, you ran the Rubicon. So did I. But the Jeep jamboree people kind of made the trail really easy from what I hear, and didn't let us near the fun stuff. You can say what you want about your 32/33's.. but you were led, followed and run around by dudes on 31's.

There are places, and trails that 33's will spank 31's. But that Rubicon trip wasn't it...

If all you do is explore, you might want to go back to 31s.

Originally posted by JDN
Incidentally, Big Dude, I spoke to Laz and he did recall someone contacting him about a place in C. Fla. but said he tried and tried and couldnt get you back??

Untrue.

Somebody emailed me and inquired about taking 15 rigs to my private spot. I politely said no thanks, knowing full well that OX only has 2-4 test rigs and the rest were just yahoos they wanted to bring along. I responded with pictures and an invitation for 2-3 rigs. I was never contacted again.

I can understand why they'd be scared , it's rougher than mud :laughing:

William-The Rubicon is the Rubicon,what makes it tough IMHO is that it never lets up on you. True, some obstacles are tougher then others but I think it got its 10 rating because of the continual level of difficulty for many miles and for most at least 2 days. Also, it might interest you to know that after leaving the Rubicon I drove to Colorado and ran Pearl Pass and Holy Cross Trails. But, what I am most proud of is that I drove out and back, (total of over 7,500 miles) and all that after running some difficult trails. No other vehicle in the World besides a Jeep would be capable of such a feat IMHO.
Big Dude- Well, thats nothing I have any first hand knowledge of. Just repeated what was told to me. I should tell you though in case you have any interest in knowing how their products are tested, most testing is done at Tellico mainly in the rock garden. Their lockers, ujoints, Superiors Evolution series axles were all tested there multiple times. They will purposely wedge a wheel under a rock in an attempt to break whatever they are testing. The mud stuff they do for fun. Incidentally, if you ever get to meet Laz & Ruben I am sure you will like them. They are true jeepers and really great fellows. john

Originally posted by JDN
No other vehicle in the World besides a Jeep would be capable of such a feat IMHO.

rotflmao....I am a Jeep guy and let me tell you this might be the dumbest thing I have heard yet on this thread.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by RCKRATZ


rotflmao....I am a Jeep guy and let me tell you this might be the dumbest thing I have heard yet on this thread.:rolleyes:

You know, I was thinking the EXACT same thing as I read that.

What a tool... :rolleyes:

Well, what other vehicles you think could do it? New Hummer, Land Rover, Toyota Land Cruiser? I dont think any of them could have run either the Rubicon or Holy Cross without sustaining enough damage to lay them up. Only damage I suffered was all my wheel weights were stripped of on the Rubicon and suffered some minor tire rubber punctures on my sidewalls from the Chard at Pearl Pass. john

I gotta jump in here since you said Exploring is your past time.

Come on up to Alaska. There is NO exploring left in the lower 48. Everywhere you have been some smuck has probably already been there with his Tahoe.

Come on up here and we (as in my club members and I) will show you what exploring is all about. Nothing like rounding a bend and saying to yourself (hey that River is not on my map?) Do a little resection with the compass and confirm it with the GPS and POOF you just found a new river!

Now how do you cross it?

Oh and you do sound like your in bed with OX.:flipoff2:

New vehicles? I dunno, I don't pay much attention to them, but I would bet that any older Toyota Land Cruiser or Mini pickup, Suzuki Samari, Land Rover Defender 90, Early Bronco, or any solid axle vehicle with similar dimensions could run those trails as good or better than your Jeep or any Jeep, I would be that there are people on this board that could drive the Rubicon in a Jeep Liberty, in reverse, at night, without lights, just as well as you and your Jeep traversed it.

bigdude do you own the land where that pile is? if so im jealous :)

the only trails ive seen in fla are through swamps with waist-deep water.. doesnt sound like fun to me.

indulf

At some point in time, I learned that even though I feel I'm right, and the rest of the folks were idiots, it's okay to walk away. Because the longer I stay, it becomes harder and harder to maintain civility, and appear to be anything but a whining keyboard cowboy.

JDN,

Just a recommendation: walk away from this post while the walking is good... Or heck, just walk away.

My days on JU are probably a good example of that.

Originally posted by JDN
I should tell you though in case you have any interest in knowing how their products are tested, most testing is done at Tellico mainly in the rock garden.

God I hope they found NUMEROUS AREAS to test besides there. Lower 2 is tough SOMETIMES. It is by no means tough enough to determine if a product will hold up to rigerous abuse :rolleyes:

Maybe you should walk away and quit giving out inside info because my guess is this kind of info will deter customers. I mean christ I ran lower 2 twice just for fun the last time I was in Tellico. The only thing I got was a scratched beadlock ring. In three obstacles of the ERoCC finals my Jeep was all but toast and the obstacles made lower 2 look like a gravel road.


*I don't own the land but I work for the company who does and they don't mind when I ride it.

OK, I dont mind walking away. As you can see by my number of posts I am not active on this board anyhow.
As to Alaska poster, yeah, I was thinking of newer vehicles but the main point I was making was driving the long distance before and after the trails. Any vehicle can be severly modified to make I guess nearly any trail, but most of them then have to be trailered and are purely offroad machines.
No need for anyone to respond as I am walking away. jdn

Originally posted by JDN
OK, I dont mind walking away. As you can see by my number of posts I am not active on this board anyhow.
As to Alaska poster, yeah, I was thinking of newer vehicles but the main point I was making was driving the long distance before and after the trails. Any vehicle can be severly modified to make I guess nearly any trail, but most of them then have to be trailered and are purely offroad machines.
No need for anyone to respond as I am walking away. jdn

He didn't walk away...

Reliability, has nothing to do with the rig, everythign to do with the driver.

I wheeled my rig 2-3 weekends a month for the last 3 months, as well as daily drivered it, and drove it to the trail head. Every time I was always the one to drive in and back out. thing is, I was driving smart, I tried afew things on the trails but over all I took the easy 33-34" tire and smaller lines. I didn't push myself knowing I was needing the jeep the following weekend.

Bottom line, if your rig only has 33" tires. Odds are, you aren't testing the product because your rig doesn't have the ground clearance to try the obstacles that would really put anything Ox through its paces. Letsee why I bought what I bought in the past

CTM Joints - ONLY after I saw what they put up with in CalRoc, etc. w/ 38" tires on D44's.

Warn Shafts - ONLY after I saw what they could survive in combination with the CTM's on a D44 w/ 38" tires.

Detriots - ONLY because they have a VERY solid reputation. ARB was my next choice in line, for the very same reason.

Go tell your OX pimps. If they want to be taken seriously, try to get some CalRoc's and EROCS (sp) competitors to try their products.

I'd like to see if maybe I can add a bit of value to this conversation based on factual information. You folks can take it or leave it for what you think it's worth. It's no sweat off my b$##s.

1. There are no cast parts of any kind in any of the Ox Locker Models, nor are there any plans what-so-ever to use any cast parts.

There has been a recommendation that the cover be converted from CNC machining to being forged in an effort to lower mfg'ing costs and in turn the end user cost of the product. To the best of my knowledge this is awaiting a decision.


2. The Ox Locker for the D-60 does indeed exist as I saw these last week in So. Cal. I have no information as to cost or when they will be available.


3. I do know with 100% certainty that Superior is not an "Owner" or "Funder" of Ox Trax Corporation. (If you must know there is a Venture Capitalist who handles that arena and this information is available as a matter of public record. You just need to know where to go look for it.) :)


4. With the exception of standard parts such as Retaining Rings, Grade 8 Bolts, Spider "Cup" Bearings, End Cap Bearings and Bearing Races there are only two parts (The two Spider Gears) which I am not certain of there manufacture by Ox Trax. They could be, or they could be hardened off the shelf items. I just do not know this for sure, therefore I can not say.

All the rest, including the Housing, End Caps, Side Gears, Cam Plate (male and female), Shift Fork, Cross Pin, Cover, Shifter Cable, Shifter Assembly are all made by Ox Trax, in house. There are NO "Sourced" parts from off shore, even thought the Ox Trax Folks know and understand this could indeed reduce their costs. I can say with one hundred percent certainty one of the driving business factors for Ox Trax is "Made in the U.S.A.".


5. There is only one "Distributor" of Ox Trax Products, (other then the Manufacturer). The seven businesses that sell Ox Trax Products are not "Distributors" of the products, but rather "re-sellers."


6. Anyone who suggests they have insider information to share it should be expected to be 100% accurate at all times with that information, not near , not interpretive, not loose lipped and certainly not wrong!

Isn't that reasonable?


For whatever you think my word may be worth I assure you the "Insider Information" shared in a previous post is inaccurate by great cavernous leaps!
(However it is entertaining in an amateur league sort of way. Don't you think?)

I would suggest if anyone cares to validate any of this information they simply pick up the phone and call the people involved. You just might be surprised at the candor and the information that is shared.

Frank

edited to correct a typo.

Originally posted by Daless2

3. I do know with 100% certainty that Superior is not an "Owner" or "Funder" of Ox Trax Corporation. (If you must know there is a Venture Capitalist who handles that arena and this information is available as a matter of public record. You just need to know where to go look for it.) :)


Frank

edited to correct a typo.

http://ccfcorp.dos.state.fl.us/scripts/cordet.exe?a1=DETFIL&n1=P00000037313&n2=NAMFWD&n3=0000&n4=N&r1=&r2=&r3=&r4=OXTRAX&r5=

Thanks for the link Chuck.

http://ccfcorp.dos.state.fl.us/scripts/cordet.exe?a1=DETFIL&n1=P00000037313&n2=NAMFWD&n3=0000&n4=N&r1=&r2=&r3=&r4=OXTRAX&r5=

I'm sure folks will enjoy reading for themselves from the

Florida Department of State, Division of Corporation web site.

For what it is worth, all states publish this data as a matter of public record. It helps to eliminate confusion, potential conflicts of interest and rumor. This type of info is generally available from the Secretary of State's Office for each state.

Frank

Originally posted by bigdude


Running mud doesn't stress components nearly as much as running "Bigdude's Backyard" also known as the pile..... I don't think you have the grapefruits

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid25/p81cc11c7f52c70e1918c3cb8a69d29c3/fd887219.jpg

Here's me giving you a salute (although a not too clearly)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid26/pb459c3c5d08d110ca798a490638044aa/fd82c26e.jpg

*The pile is locate in Central FL and brought to any wheeler exclusively by "bigdude". All rights reserved and you'll never find/access it w/o me :flipoff2:

Now that its starting (ha) to cool off a little, we need to get back there after I finish getting my rig back together so I can stress all the crap I am fixing.. :D I'll have to take a better Pirate salute pic next time.

BTW: Whats with the sig, you buy a JU jeep?? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by JDN
GREAT NEWS on OX
This is a public service announcement, I have no ownership or employee interest in this Company, just like the product and the people behind it. John


Damn dude, if you want to pop that puppy in the kiester, you don't have to grease it so hard.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by doctor_G


Damn dude, if you want to pop that puppy in the kiester, you don't have to grease it so hard.

:rolleyes:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Originally posted by JeepinIan
FYI: The OX locker for the 60 is out. As for the u-joint they make, check out the Fire Ant.

Why check the FireAnt? What does that have to do the the Ox joint?

Originally posted by William




There are places, and trails that 33's will spank 31's. But that Rubicon trip wasn't it...



And where might that be?

Originally posted by mrblaine


Why check the FireAnt? What does that have to do the the Ox joint?

From what I was told by the owners of OX, the FireAnt has the OX u-joints in the front axle. I have heard nothing about it failing yet, although I am not close enough to find out in person.

Originally posted by JeepinIan


From what I was told by the owners of OX, the FireAnt has the OX u-joints in the front axle. I have heard nothing about it failing yet, although I am not close enough to find out in person.

Simple deduction determines that there is some misinformation floating about. I don't understand why John would take out Dana 60 joints and put in 297's.

The front axle in the FireAnt is a hybrid 9/60 with Ford F-450 outers and modified unit bearings from the Ford front axle.

Last time I saw it, it still had the D-60 axles and joints in it. (at the last RCAA event this past weekend)

I think the confusion is over the JeepSpeed Cherokee being raced by Currie that is testing a set of the Ox joints in the 297 flavor.

Also, last I checked, Las had no intention of making the larger joint for awhile. He may have changed his mind though, but I suspect that Jim B. would have a set to test before most.

Originally posted by mrblaine

...

I think the confusion is over the JeepSpeed Cherokee being raced by Currie that is testing a set of the Ox joints in the 297 flavor.

Also, last I checked, Las had no intention of making the larger joint for awhile. He may have changed his mind though, but I suspect that Jim B. would have a set to test before most.

OK, that may be where my misinformation came from then. I understood incorrectly, or was told incorrectly, I can't say for sure who was to blame. I do believe tho' that the D60 joint is in the idea stage, but not ready for the proto yet.

how about an Ox for a 9 in???

Originally posted by mongrel
how about an Ox for a 9 in???

It's in the design stage.

Originally posted by rkcrawl


Now that its starting (ha) to cool off a little, we need to get back there after I finish getting my rig back together so I can stress all the crap I am fixing.. :D I'll have to take a better Pirate salute pic next time.

BTW: Whats with the sig, you buy a JU jeep?? :flipoff2:

I pick up my rebuilt driveshafts today and will be game as soon as I return from the Supercrawl. Sound good????

Originally posted by bigdude


I pick up my rebuilt driveshafts today and will be game as soon as I return from the Supercrawl. Sound good????

Probably, drop me a line when you get back and I'll see where I am. Lifes getting crazy, listing the house today. My rear shafts should be done. Still have to move my gas tank, rebuild the wrap bar and redo rear shock mounts.

Originally posted by JDN

"forging is considered STRONGER then even CNC milling of billeted steel."

I'd sure like to hear how steel is billeted? I've heard of cast, I've heard of forged, but how do you billet steel?

I've got my Machinery Handbook in my hand and it doesn't list that, just casting and forging.

I looked it up in the dictionary and found this:

1. A small, usually rectangular bar of iron or steel in an intermediate stage of manufacture.
2. A small ingot of nonferrous metal.

That's because billet steel means it's being machined. A billet can be cast or forged. A billet isn't stronger or weaker, it's just a piece of metal.

Bob
63 DTG

Originally posted by 4Bangler
New vehicles? I dunno, I don't pay much attention to them, but I would bet that any older Toyota Land Cruiser or Mini pickup, Suzuki Samari, Land Rover Defender 90, Early Bronco, or any solid axle vehicle with similar dimensions could run those trails as good or better than your Jeep or any Jeep, I would be that there are people on this board that could drive the Rubicon in a Jeep Liberty, in reverse, at night, without lights, just as well as you and your Jeep traversed it.

I know my Hilux could do it. After all the fawking Liberty did.

Bob
63 DTG

Originally posted by eurobob


I'd sure like to hear how steel is billeted? I've heard of cast, I've heard of forged, but how do you billet steel?

I've got my Machinery Handbook in my hand and it doesn't list that, just casting and forging.

I looked it up in the dictionary and found this:

1. A small, usually rectangular bar of iron or steel in an intermediate stage of manufacture.
2. A small ingot of nonferrous metal.

That's because billet steel means it's being machined. A billet can be cast or forged. A billet isn't stronger or weaker, it's just a piece of metal.

Bob
63 DTG

I don't happen to have it at my home, but I think that the book "The making, shaping, and treating of steel" published by US Steel would have exactly what you are looking for. It's been about 6 years since I have read this book, so I am a little rusty with it's content.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0930767020/steelonthenet-20/102-7268868-0306512

From what I remember the word "Billet" is used to describe the specific size classification of stock. I think 8 to 12 inches square is the number I remember. Another size classification would be "bloom" (bigger) or "ingot" (biggest).

Ok, now we know that billet refers to the size, but does not refer to the process used to obtain that size. Billets are classified as forged, cast, or rolled.

Each process has it's benefits, but the final strength of the overall product is a result of the design and heat treatment applied.

I looked in the information that I have at my house (Machinery's Hanbook, Marks' Standard Handbook for Mechanical Engineers) and could not find any helpful information.

Originally posted by big97redtj


I don't happen to have it at my home, but I think that the book "The making, shaping, and treating of steel" published by US Steel would have exactly what you are looking for. It's been about 6 years since I have read this book, so I am a little rusty with it's content.

I'm not looking for anything. Many people talk like billet steel is better than cast. They just misuse/misunderstand the term. In just about every forum I deal with someone tries to make like it's the bomb.

Bob
63 DTG

Originally posted by eurobob


I'm not looking for anything.

Then I guess you found more than you were looking for.:D


*psssssstt* You double posted. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by big97redtj


*psssssstt* You double posted. :flipoff2:

No I didn't... :D :flipoff2: :D