I know you can figure something out... ever thought about it?

something that isnt going to wear out after a year or less...

I know there is a demand, but is there a solution?

I know there is a demand, but is there a solution?

Its called a D60. :flipoff2:

Its called a D60. :flipoff2:

I admit, i should have seen that coming:flipoff2:

to me, 35s on a d60 is a bit overkill, plus alot more money.

I'm with skerb. Something like a onelink but smaller for each balljoint, maybe?
You would probably have to have a whole new inner C and maybe knuckle. It would be pimp, however to have one that used the innerds from your 2.63" Ballistic joints.

I would be down for a set. Maybe just press in uniballs with a tapered through bolt to fit factory knuckles.

Bump?

We have been researching, I'll let you all know what we come up with if there is a good solution.

Jeff

We have been researching, I'll let you all know what we come up with if there is a good solution.

Jeff

I`d like to know also. I MIGHT be swayed into doing a 44/60 hybird if good BJ`s were available, thanks Jeff

Something like a uniball, also this would make fitment of larger joints in a d44 better, like hte RCV shafts or even D60 joints (don't know if this is even possible, but would be sweet)

C`mon Jeff, Give us a word on what`s up with this.

I hate ball joints :D

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what brand of the ball joint you was using? thats looks really bad even that seem happend to you 3 times!

bud of mine had a D44 with Spicer ball joints and they lasted few years on a heavy rig with 37" trxus and still tight when removed and now under other rig, no problem so far as i heard.

oh right, somebody had to be hardcore enough on here that actaully breaks them by just breathing on them :D

Any good solutions yet :confused:

Any info on these, seems like with the current upgrades available for shafts there may be a new found place for a beefed up 44 ball joint.


Geoff

Any info on these, seems like with the current upgrades available for shafts there may be a new found place for a beefed up 44 ball joint.


Geoff

Bumping this up for the Ballistic Wrecking Crew to consider.

We have found what we think is a solution, but it is not cost effective at this point... still working!

Ballistic Wrecking Crew huh? Kinda catchy

Jeff

We have found what we think is a solution, but it is not cost effective at this point... still working!

Ballistic Wrecking Crew huh? Kinda catchy

Jeff

Thanks for the update Jeff.

Thinking of all us SOB`s who already have HP44`s up front and would like a little more beef. RCV has come up with what looks like good shafts. Crane and Dedenbear have knuckles it you want them.

Just boils down to the dang BJ`s that no one has been able to improve on.

Surely the BWC will come up with something :laughing:

glad to see this thread being put to good use, let us know what you come up with. and if you need someone to test it, i can put it to the DD/Trail rig test

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I wouldn't mind paying more than what it cost to replace the ball joints just so i don't have to do it all the time.

I would second that statement. What kinda cost would be involved???

Jeff,
bouncing this back up to the top.

I have a built HP44 on the YJ now, Superiors, CTM, Girdle As an old man who wheels in the Michigan woods it`ll probaly last forever. But I simply don`t like the wimpy BJ`s.

Also have a HP60 that has been retubed. About to start collecting parts to make a swap. But my luck is that you guys will have a solution just after I spent a shitload of $$ on the 60. Which I really don`t need.

Can you give us fawked up SOB`s a teaser at least ?

But I simply don`t like the wimpy BJ`s.

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

And I got 3 HO`s for X mas :flipoff2: :laughing:

Another here with a built HP44 interested in beefier ball joints. I have CTMs, chromo shafts, and even Dedenbear knuckles. If someone made bombproof Dana 44 ball joints I'd buy Crane Inner C's and be done. I'd never give a 60 another thought.

Another here with a built HP44 interested in beefier ball joints. I have CTMs, chromo shafts, and even Dedenbear knuckles. If someone made bombproof Dana 44 ball joints I'd buy Crane Inner C's and be done. I'd never give a 60 another thought.

What he said :smokin:

what he said :smokin:

x3

Come on there is a market for these!!!!

Are we talking about old style Dana 44 with spindles & locking hubs or the unit bearing found on jeeps?

Are we talking about old style Dana 44 with spindles & locking hubs or the unit bearing found on jeeps?

Spindles and hubs

I would be interested in a set as well.

I know that it take some research, developing and testing to get things right, but I'm sure that whatever Ballistic comes out with will be worth the wait.

I would be interested in a set as well.

I know that it take some research, developing and testing to get things right, but I'm sure that whatever Ballistic comes out with will be worth the wait.

I agree - this is the last step on making a D44 "bomb proof"

I agree - this is the last step on making a D44 "bomb proof"

x 2 for us little firecracker guys with 44`s.

Replacing ball joints every few outings sucks! I really hope these joints come out so i don't have to spend the $$$ on a 60 right now.

spindles and hubs

x2

x3

Just don't make them any tighter in the C area!!

Geoff

Just don't make them any tighter in the C area!!

Geoff

What Geoff said......

Hijack slightly turned on.........As I bet there are a bunch of us 44 folks who would like Geoff`s shafts :laughing:

So, how are you liking the new shafts ?

I really do not want to hi jack this thread I would love to just be a tester for another step forward in 44 tech.

Here is a link to the write up I did, and they are still kicking Ass!!!!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=836020&page=2


Geoff

I hate ball joints :D

I think you've confused some people here... We're talking about CV joints replacing U joints...

I really do not want to hi jack this thread I would love to just be a tester for another step forward in 44 tech.

Here is a link to the write up I did, and they are still kicking Ass!!!!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=836020&page=2


Geoff

Thanks for the link Geoff. :smokin:

Hijack OFFFFFFF

Speaking of RCV's, maybe Ballistic or RCV can make the gear to go inside a warn locking hub so you don't have to have 30 spline flanges unless you want to.

Speaking of RCV's, maybe Ballistic or RCV can make the gear to go inside a warn locking hub so you don't have to have 30 spline flanges unless you want to.

That is a good idea. Shold be a simple one for the Ballistic Wrecking Crew

Carli makes some pimp ones for the Dodge's.
See if an partnership can be made.
http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/dodge-ram/components/upperballjoints.html

I agree with the above. I want to run rcv's shafts but want to keep the warns i already have.

Carli makes some pimp ones for the Dodge's.
See if an partnership can be made.
http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/dodge-ram/components/upperballjoints.html

WOW and check out the lower bj's http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/dodge-ram/components/lowerballjoints.html

WOW and check out the lower bj's http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/dodge-ram/components/lowerballjoints.html

The upper are looking good also.

Subscribed, hoping you guys come up with a great solution what won't totally break the bank.

I've never broken one (good shafts and joints help there), but they do seem to wear out and get play way sooner than they should.

yeah I'd be game assuming they dont cost as much as swapping in a dana 60!

I'd be down for a set if it meant not replacing them every 6 months.

We have made some real progress on these today, planning and engineering is almost done. I think we should have a real nice product for the 44 and 60 once these are done.

They will not be cheap though... (please don't ask how much just yet, we don't have those figures yet).

Jeff

We have made some real progress on these today, planning and engineering is almost done. I think we should have a real nice product for the 44 and 60 once these are done.

They will not be cheap though... (please don't ask how much just yet, we don't have those figures yet).

Jeff

:jeep: :jeep3: :cookie:

:shocked::massey::smokin: Can't wait!

Looking forward to see what you have come up with.

We have made some real progress on these today, planning and engineering is almost done. I think we should have a real nice product for the 44 and 60 once these are done.

They will not be cheap though... (please don't ask how much just yet, we don't have those figures yet).

Jeff

any spy pics......

This!
:shocked::massey::smokin: Can't wait!


and this!
looking forward to see what you have come up with.

how about some alu/brass or brass bushing and 3/4 grade L9 bolts?

We have made some real progress on these today, planning and engineering is almost done. I think we should have a real nice product for the 44 and 60 once these are done.

They will not be cheap though... (please don't ask how much just yet, we don't have those figures yet).

Jeff

I will be all over the D60 ones!

I am down for a set of these, rebuildable would be great too

I would be up for a set or two!

i would be up for a set or two!

x2

sign me up for a tester!!! im sick of replacing my ball joints every few months. i'm doing mine again in a week or so. 37's make em toast, but the 39s make em jelly! ugggh!!! can't wait to hear what happens with these!!

Put me on the list for a tester! I've got a 350HP 360 with 38's. I'm sure I could do some testing!:smokin:

'scribed... :grinpimp:

bump

Ttt

any updates on these?

I'm just excited...

We're excited as well, we are bringing in some exotic materials for this one and they should be here soon. Once we see the material then we can machine it, send it off to heat treat, plating and then testing.

Jeff

I would be up for testing!

Glad to hear there is progress!!! What are these exotic materials you speak of?

Glad to hear there is progress!!! What are these exotic materials you speak of?

Nothing crazy, just very high grade materials with tight tolerances and lots of love.

if you are looking for a tester, i am almost done putting my rig together. Front end is a narrowed and trussed ford HP44, Reid knuckles. Ballistic high steer arms, longfield joints, detroit, 5.13's, and 38" sx's with heavy beadlocks :D

yeah, the shipping guy dropped off some new 37" trepadors this week and when I put them in the parts pile next to my hp44 and lp60 i got a little uneasy looking at the 44, so yeah make these ready soon, please.

Will test at KOH!

Won't be ready for testing for at least a month..

Jeff,
what is Ballistic`s objective with these new ball joints ?

Are we looking at a joint that is physically stronger ? Perhaps a joint that can be rebuilt easily ? Or a long lasting part that whose service life is extended between maintenance intervals ?

I ask in that it seems folks who are interested have complaints of short service life above anything. Sure there are pictures of broken joints in this thread. Is that because of poor maintenance or did anther part break first ? Like an axle shaft or U joint causing the joint to fail.

Just wondering what the Ballistic`s Wrecking Crew`s aim is on this new joints ? It would be easy to say all the above and perhaps it will be. However, I think you folks have a goal and have learned enough to answer these questions. Well before any time was spent developing this new product.

Just how weak are the regular Dana44 balljoints? Im swapping in a Hp44 into my s10 blazer later this year and i was thinking id get away from having to replace balljoints as much as i am with the IFS.

i killed one of mine smacking the old steering arm off with a hammer but it might have been toast before that. Watching this thread to see what they come up with. Even though mines mostly for camping and mud snow etc stil want parts that i cant break

yeah my blazer will be for mud, snow, trails, and maybe a little rocks. Only going to be on 35's though.

IMO alot of the balljoint issues are caused by 2 things. Either really low backspace on rims which causes the tires to have more leverage on the balljoints and or not adjusting the top adjuster nut correctly upon install of new joints. I installed a set of balljoints on my K5 blazer 7-8yrs ago when I rebuilt the axle and installed crossover steering. I ordered the special socket from Snap-on to adjust the balljoints adjuster nut when I installed the balljoints. The K5 has been a rockcrawler that has been beat on pretty decently. With 15x8" rims with 4" BS I have never seen a problem with these balljoints. The tires have been 35" MTR's, then 37" MTR's, and most recently 37" Maxxis CC Bias. These balljoints have never been loose or gone bad since day 1.

Friends of mine though with similar trucks could kill balljoints in 3 months. The common factor with those guys was 15x8" rims with 2.75" BS, and not adjusting the balljoint adjuster nut correctly.

what is the correct way to adjust them hoss?

1, bottom nut to 80 ft lb, 2. adjuster to 50 ft lb, 3. top nut to 100 ft lb. :p

Jeff,
what is Ballistic`s objective with these new ball joints ?

Are we looking at a joint that is physically stronger ? Perhaps a joint that can be rebuilt easily ? Or a long lasting part that whose service life is extended between maintenance intervals ?

I ask in that it seems folks who are interested have complaints of short service life above anything. Sure there are pictures of broken joints in this thread. Is that because of poor maintenance or did anther part break first ? Like an axle shaft or U joint causing the joint to fail.

Just wondering what the Ballistic`s Wrecking Crew`s aim is on this new joints ? It would be easy to say all the above and perhaps it will be. However, I think you folks have a goal and have learned enough to answer these questions. Well before any time was spent developing this new product.

We believe that all three issues will be addressed, and the increases will be substantial. They will be fully rebuildable for less than a brand new set of standard ball joints as well.

I agree that wheel width/offset has a lot to do with service life.

I used to run 8" wheels with 3.25" BS and the joints lasted a long time. Now I have 10" wheels with 3.75" BS and they seem to loosen up much sooner.

I think most of the broken/separated ones are from either severe lack of maintenance, or broken axle joints.

1, bottom nut to 80 ft lb, 2. adjuster to 50 ft lb, 3. top nut to 100 ft lb. :p

Adjuster nut?

I didnt really pay attention to them when i tore my axle down that is in the garage but i only saw the nuts holding the balljoint to the axle c.

Look in the top of the c on the axle, you should see a threaded insert that has slit cut in the side and the top should have 4 "teeth" there is a special socket that engages these teeth to allow you to adjust the preload on the balljoints before final tightening.

We believe that all three issues will be addressed, and the increases will be substantial. They will be fully rebuildable for less than a brand new set of standard ball joints as well.

Thanks Jeff,
That sounds VERY promising !!

If you need a tester from the Midwest (Michigan) then let out a holler !!

I believe the premature wear on my ball joints are from the heavy michelin 11.00-16's i run. I hope these are up to the task so i can keep running the cheap michelins since i go through tires quickly with the spool.

Look in the top of the c on the axle, you should see a threaded insert that has slit cut in the side and the top should have 4 "teeth" there is a special socket that engages these teeth to allow you to adjust the preload on the balljoints before final tightening.
Ah ha i did see those and wondered what they were for. Makes sense now and i will have to pick up one of those sockets to properly setup my balljoints.

http://www.partsmike.com/store/store.php?crn=226&rn=722&action=show_detail

http://www.partsmike.com/store/sc_images/products/ball_joint_adjuster_tool.jpg

I hate ball joints :D

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OMG!!! :laughing: :laughing: im sorry but that is so funny. this is my first time poking my head in this thread.

:laughing:atleast it didnt pass ya going down the freeway or anything like that :laughing:

long shot but what about C's and knuckles that are kingpin for the 44?

Why not just run D60 knuckles ?

Why not just run D60 knuckles ?

Gotta have the C`s to go with it also.

Why not just run D60 knuckles ?Possible, but you'd have to sacrifice a D60 to do it.

In for updates. With Superiors/CTM's the balljoints are my last weak link.

Possible, but you'd have to sacrifice a D60 to do it.

In for updates. With Superiors/CTM's the balljoints are my last weak link.

How about the lockout instead ?

Count me in for a set! Mine are getting loose and would also be up for helping out with testing if need be.

How about the lockout instead ?You mean the upgraded internal stuff idea?

Sounds good but makes no difference to me... drive flanges on the trail and swap the warns back in when i get home.

You mean the upgraded internal stuff idea?

Sounds good but makes no difference to me... drive flanges on the trail and swap the warns back in when i get home.

No, I was taking about the Warns.

We believe that all three issues will be addressed, and the increases will be substantial. They will be fully rebuildable for less than a brand new set of standard ball joints as well.

Count me in for a set of 60 joints. I clicked on this thread hoping if you were going to do some for the 44, you'd do some for the 60 as well. I have to replace my 60 BJs every season. With longfield CVs, drive flanges, sticky 40s and 480hps I'd love to have a stronger option for BJs. Plus, the BJ 60s are much easier to come by these days than the old kingpin units. Thanks

No, I was taking about the Warns.

I guess im confused, because i have no idea what you're talking about. :confused:

:laughing:

down for testing on the d44 balljoints, this sounds like it could be a great option.

do we have any idea of ballpark price on these?

I guess im confused, because i have no idea what you're talking about. :confused:

:laughing:

Thinking that the Warn lock out hubs would break before a ring and pinion.

Good news on this project, just can't say too much quite yet. Keep an eye on this thread and the ball joint 60 high steer thread for some exciting news in the near future.

Jeff

Would a standard 44 inner c need to be modified, or is this going to be a straight replacement?

No modification needed.

cool i may have to delay rebuilding my d44 and wait for thsese to come out.

You guys make it easy to spend a tax return :)

long shot but what about C's and knuckles that are kingpin for the 44?

That's what I was thinking.

Getting in line

I'm very curious what you guys have came up with, and what the price tag will be.

That's what I was thinking.

It's been done. Old closed knuckles where Kingpin, the caps where the same size as D60 stuff.

in for updates.

Hurry! Don't want to spend the money no stockers and I'm ready for them!!!!!

me too im in need of some little new to all this stuff .when i was told that the balljoints suck my first response was with all the jeep parts out there no one makes a upgraded balljoint?well i guess here it is.my question to you guys is my buddy who works in a tire/alignment shop said i need an offset balljoint in the passenger side he doesnt think its worn just my 37s my camber is off quite a bit on that side.hes running 1 with his 33s and loves it.ive been told yes and no .you guys are not offering offsets im guessing im sure first priority is standard.sorry if i thread jacked.

If by some small chance you need a D44 for R&D I'm local. Regardless like everyone else I cannot wait to install a set in my rig. FYI I am getting some R+P work late Feb at Crossed Up so we could throw in a set then. Just sayin thats all...keep up the good work!

You would sell a whole bunch of these things to the JK 44 crowd.... seriously. I believe dynatrac is making them, but not many are buying into them because of cost. I wonder if yours would be more affordable :smokin:

Gotta have the C`s to go with it also.

Right, I understand that. Though I still fail to see the problem.

Possible, but you'd have to sacrifice a D60 to do it.

In for updates. With Superiors/CTM's the balljoints are my last weak link.

I couldn't imagine running stock stuff . . . Though I hear a couple of companies make nice kits :D

I can't wait for these things to be ready. I wil be in line to get a set.

Right, I understand that. Though I still fail to see the problem.

Replacing a ball joint, and replacing an inner-C, are on opposite ends of the do it at home difficulty scale.

Just checking back in.
Still waiting.

$?

Eta

Bump. About to order new spicer Ball Joints, was hopeing to see something from ballistic for consideration before i ordered...

I wish they would just scrap the ball joint and build a knuckle like spider does for the 60 stuff but for 44 stuff. I am sure the would sell a truck load of them.

I wish they would just scrap the ball joint and build a knuckle like spider does for the 60 stuff but for 44 stuff. I am sure the would sell a truck load of them.

I would agree, but if they come up with something that would last and keep the factory setup that would be nice.

In reguards to replacing the knuckle and axle "c", why not just use dana 60 outers if you wanted to go down that road?

because you would have to buy all the Dana 60 stuff. I already have the 44 stuff.In reality it would be to expensive to build a 44 inner c and knuckle. The Dana knuckle is up the in price. But, If they did build one I would save my pennies.

any more info yet on when itll be out, pics, or price? were waiting patiently ... but startin to get impatient :homer:

Just bought a full set of Spicer Ball joints uppers and lowers from Poly Performance.


Thanks for the thought... I guess.


Cannot wait any longer.

Still will be a few weeks until we have more news, but they will be tested vigorously before release. Anyone holding off death wobbles for a chance at these should probably buy some ball joints, but those that are not in urgent need... you won't be disappointed!

Still will be a few weeks until we have more news, but they will be tested vigorously before release. Anyone holding off death wobbles for a chance at these should probably buy some ball joints, but those that are not in urgent need... you won't be disappointed!

I got a set of Spicer HD's from Poly. If i kill them, ill get yours... if they are done :p

I'd rather wait for them to be properly developed and " :D be the crap! :D " , than get them rushed and " :( be crap :shaking: ".

alright, you got me interested.

I'm in too as it seems I'll have a HP44 soon :D

I may be interested as I have a LP44 sitten in storage w/gears and locker installed:homer:

I'll be need'n some-a-dem superduty ball joints drekly.:D

I'll be need'n some-a-dem superduty ball joints drekly.:D

Ford sucks :flipoff2:

Ford sucks :flipoff2:

Speaking native tongue, no reason to be hating :laughing::flipoff2:

Speaking native tongue, no reason to be hating :laughing::flipoff2:

Well, I`ll let it slide. They did give us some dang good HP axles. :tank: :cookie::jeep: :jeep3::jeep2: :beer: :roxy: :stirthepot:

Waiting patiently :)

looks like i'll be fixing mine with the cheapos for now. well until about 6 months from now they'll be toast probably, then i'll look for the upgrade again!!

looks like i'll be fixing mine with the cheapos for now. well until about 6 months from now they'll be toast probably, then i'll look for the upgrade again!!

all 4 spicer HD balljoints with hardware from poly performance for 120 $ Probably the last set you will buy if they are installed correctly. Mine shipped next day too. :smokin:

all 4 spicer HD balljoints with hardware from poly performance for 120 $ Probably the last set you will buy if they are installed correctly. Mine shipped next day too. :smokin:

yeah thanks for the info! i think i'll go that route for the time being and see how long they last for. I recall seeing these come out a while ago, just never went with them. Originally I ran the Moog's which were super expensive, lasted about a year. Then I went with the el cheapos from autozone with limited lifetime, so everytime they went, i'd just get them replaced for free. I follow the specs and get it set up properly as well.

For about the last 7 years, ive done the "buy cheapo Autozone's and replace them once a year no matter what" thing. Its worked (knock on wood)- i havent broken one since ive done this/ running 36's and a heavy foot.

Of course it would still be nice to do them one last time and never touch them again.

need a set of super duty ball joints

What are the chances of having the lower ball joint threads be shorter? Those of us who are running the RCV shafts have to remove the threads to the top of the nut for boot clearence.

How much shorter? Now is the time for suggestions like these... almost too late

Not sure on an exact measurement but just so that the threads don't stick out past the nut, and maybe even a lower profile nut to give more room to assemble the rcv joints once the knuckles are on.

I dont know off the top of my head. I will measure tonight when I get home and get you a measurement.

How much shorter? Now is the time for suggestions like these... almost too late

They recommend grinding the stud down flush with the nut. I don't see any reason we couldn't do it to yours if they are long, just like any other BJ.


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=816714&highlight=rcv
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=491924&stc=1&d=1262750136

They recommend grinding the stud down flush with the nut. I don't see any reason we couldn't do it to yours if they are long, just like any other BJ.


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=816714&highlight=rcv
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=491924&stc=1&d=1262750136

Because they will have a heat treat temper that will be quite susceptible to heat. I wouldn't warranty a stud that had been ground on for this reason, so we should come to a consensus now.

Jeff

Then make them for those shafts. That would be a show stopper for me. As I will be buying those shafts eventually.

x2 on getting those shafts down the road.

Mine just got here. I already have new balljoints but when they go I plan on going with these if they are out. I also vote to make them short to work.

Anyone got an actual dimension for Jeff on how much sticks past the nut? I don't have an assembled 44 with outers on for me to measure.

Wouldnt the dimensions of the C change that measurement? I mean you press in the joint and depending on how thick the C is will determine how far the threads will stick out.

OR, are all the C's about the same dimension (thickness above the taper)? Something to think about..

Edit: I guess it would be the Knuckle that I am talking about. That is the taper I am talking about.

I'm with everyone else, low profile nut and shank on the lower ball joint to clear after market shafts. I had to grind mine down to fit. And if grinding the shank will void the warranty, there would be no point in me buying them. I will try to measure when i get home and post up. get home in just over a hour and a half from now. I will see what I can come up with.

Make em short - the only reason's I'd even run a D44 are these BJ's and the RCV shafts...

I also think that a majority of the people that actually need high strength ball joints will be running RCV shafts. Making your joints not compatible would really be shooting yourself in the foot.

I also think that a majority of the people that actually need high strength ball joints will be running RCV shafts. Making your joints not compatible would really be shooting yourself in the foot.


That's my plan, should be the ideal setup for me, providing I can keep the teenager out of the driver seat.

I will piggyback on everyone elses suggestions, Make them shorter. I am planning on going with those shafts as well

I have .75" of thread on my lower ball joint after grinding it down to clear my Yukon 4340 shafts.

Also, I didn't catch in earlier posts, but these will be good for late 70's Chevy 44's as well, correct?

I also think that a majority of the people that actually need high strength ball joints will be running RCV shafts. Making your joints not compatible would really be shooting yourself in the foot.

there's still a lot of us running chromolly shafts and CTM's ;)

I just took a quick measurement and it looks like it you were to take between .120 and .125 off of the threads on the lower balljoint it should clear. I think that if you were to use a lower profile nut and take a little more that might be a little better.

The lower profile the better. Even those of us that are not running RCV shafts. That would help if a u joint was broken to keep the shaft from hitting the ball joint and take it out too.
Pretty common problem with front Dana 44s

The lower profile the better. Even those of us that are not running RCV shafts. That would help if a u joint was broken to keep the shaft from hitting the ball joint and take it out too.
Pretty common problem with front Dana 44s

Very good point. I never even thought about that

theres really no point in not making them short.

doesn't hurt anything, but it opens them up to a lot more people. Im not going to say that I will be running these joints, and RCV shafts because more then likely they will be out of my price range...but money aside, id buy those joints, slap those shafts in there, and say to hell with building a 60

I just looked at those RCV shafts and wasn't expecting nearly a $1500 price tag on them. For now, I will stick with my Yukon 4340's and Super Joints. But I am really liking the idea of a re-buildable ball joint. I just need to be sure that my axles will clear them without any modifications needed to the shaft of the lower ball joint. And, of coarse, the price of these ball joints will be a big factor of if I buy these right away.

I just looked at those RCV shafts and wasn't expecting nearly a $1500 price tag on them. For now, I will stick with my Yukon 4340's and Super Joints. But I am really liking the idea of a re-buildable ball joint. I just need to be sure that my axles will clear them without any modifications needed to the shaft of the lower ball joint. And, of coarse, the price of these ball joints will be a big factor of if I buy these right away.

Not sure where you got the price for the RCV I paid just over 1100 for mine shipped. Ordered them from Sean.

Not sure where you got the price for the RCV I paid just over 1100 for mine shipped. Ordered them from Sean.

Sorry./. $1485 for the NON unit bearing traditional spindal 44 with the drive slugs. $1285 without he drive slugs.

https://www.rcvperformance.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=53&products_id=67

and yes I realize you should be able to get them from a dealer for less. but that is where I got the price I posted earlier.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=836020

They're quoted lower in that thread. Have prices gone up?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=836020

They're quoted lower in that thread. Have prices gone up?


Maybe that was a PBB Price? I havent seen that thread before now, so I don't know.

looks like prices have gone up almost 200 bucks on those.

im thinking if i go with "super" shafts now itll just be some chromolies and longfield joints.

no way i could fork over 1300 for those shafts and another 200 for driveslugs to throw in a 44

Well, they do recomend a Warn Lock out, so the drive slugs, I guess arent needed.

theres really no point in not making them short.

doesn't hurt anything, but it opens them up to a lot more people.

I agree. I'm running Alloy USA shafts and Longfield joints, but there's no reason to make the stud any taller than it needs to be, and shorter leaves me the RCV upgrade option later if I ever decide to go that route.

Well, they do recomend a Warn Lock out, so the drive slugs, I guess arent needed.Ive broken Warn Premiums with stock shafts and spicer joints with the caps tack-welded. :confused:

Ive broken Warn Premiums with stock shafts and spicer joints with the caps tack-welded. :confused:

I'm sure they only recommend them as a cheaper alternative.

I'm sure they only recommend them as a cheaper alternative.
Yea, anytime you go aftermarket shafts on a D44 its time to go with slugs. Ive got Superiors/CTMs and mine is not only a trail rig, but hunting/street driver too so i swap to flanges when i go wheelin' then back to lockouts for everything else.

Yea, anytime you go aftermarket shafts on a D44 its time to go with slugs. Ive got Superiors/CTMs and mine is not only a trail rig, but hunting/street driver too so i swap to flanges when i go wheelin' then back to lockouts for everything else.

this is good to know, I'm almost done with my build and i have cromo's and spicers in the 44 and i just slapped on the warn premiums....good thing i have the drive flanges....anyone have ideas for a easy DIY dust cover for the drive flanges?

I believe most drive flanges (slugs, what ever) come with dust caps/covers.

I wouldn't say the recommend them as a "cheaper" alternative...just another alternative.

30 spline warn 44 hubs, from what i can find run around 180-200 bucks. similar to what the drive slugs would cost.

so either way youll be spending around 1500 bucks

Back on topic!

Back on topic!

Is there a topic here? Not really a product available, just speculation. Not that I doubt I will be buying something from them soon on this matter. Get in gear Allen!!!!

Is there a topic here? Not really a product available, just speculation. Not that I doubt I will be buying something from them soon on this matter. Get in gear Allen!!!!

Yes, for those that can read the subject, there is a topic. There is a product in developement. And There was an issue brought up about stud length due to aftermarket shafts. Then it went down the pooper with folks talking about slugs and shafts, which is NOT related to to the topic/subject/vendor.
hOokd awn fonnics werc'd four mi!
:flipoff2:

Because they will have a heat treat temper that will be quite susceptible to heat. I wouldn't warranty a stud that had been ground on for this reason, so we should come to a consensus now.

Jeff

do you have a teaser pic or anything? more updates please!

Yes I can get some media on Monday to appease the masses lol...

Not to say that this has been delayed by any means, but we have been finishing up the Ballistic Rod end MRK 3.0 and the 14B shave kit. As soon as those two projects are done (only a few more days) then we will be full steam on these parts.

Thanks for every one's patience, these will be really nice once they're released.

Just wondering, Did you seemy pm on the housing ends?

Yes I can get some media on Monday to appease the masses lol...

sweet :smokin:

Can't wait to see what you've designed.

its time for BJs on my rig. I need these ASAP!

Not to say that this has been delayed by any means, but we have been finishing up the Ballistic Rod end MRK 3.0 and the 14B shave kit. As soon as those two projects are done (only a few more days) then we will be full steam on these parts.

Thanks for every one's patience, these will be really nice once they're released.

What's being released? I know this thread is about 44s but I'm specifically watching in hopes of a Dana 60 balljoint version.

30 spline warn 44 hubs, from what i can find run around 180-200 bucks.



where the hell do you shop?

updates???

where the hell do you shop?

I grabbed a set of Warn 36655's on Amazon for ~$160

found em at 3 places today that usually have pretty good prices on most stuff for around 180.

im sure you can find em at places like amazon for cheaper, but that was my quick search for a price. next time ill make sure i search longer to find a cheaper price which pleases you

and whether you find em for 180, or 160...20 bucks isn't a big deal when your dropping 1300 bucks on shafts

What's being released? I know this thread is about 44s but I'm specifically watching in hopes of a Dana 60 balljoint version.

balljoints for the d44? :homer:

I grabbed a set of Warn 36655's on Amazon for ~$160

i looked on warn's application guide for hubs and could not find these?

i looked on warn's application guide for hubs and could not find these?

They are listed as a valid p/n within the Full-Float Hub Lock Set for CJ's equipped with a Dana 44 (some select AMC 20's) 69-86 (all outers were 30 spline even if the diff spline count was 19) and you can buy them as a separate item. They have a set-screw to help keep the hub locked.

Yes I can get some media on Monday to appease the masses lol...

Monday is running out...

They are listed as a valid p/n within the Full-Float Hub Lock Set for CJ's equipped with a Dana 44 (some select AMC 20's) 69-86 (all outers were 30 spline even if the diff spline count was 19) and you can buy them as a separate item. They have a set-screw to help keep the hub locked.

thanks! but am i missing something?

http://www.warn.com/truck/hubs/premium_application_chart.shtml

sorry for the hijack ...

Monday is running out...

agreed ...:confused:

knock knock, whos there? not a picture!

Its Tuesday!

And, its wednesday.....:zzz:

found em at 3 places today that usually have pretty good prices on most stuff for around 180.

im sure you can find em at places like amazon for cheaper, but that was my quick search for a price. next time ill make sure i search longer to find a cheaper price which pleases you

and whether you find em for 180, or 160...20 bucks isn't a big deal when your dropping 1300 bucks on shafts

i was outraged when I paid $109 for my last set.

I remember paying 90 a few years ago.

we are both talking about post 1976ish warn dana44 premiums right?

but ima stop the thread hijacking

^nah.

I got my warn premiums for 80 bucks from broncograveyard. no way in hell id pay over 100 for em

im talking about warns d44 30 spline hubs

Ballistic must use the Mayan calender :confused:

:eek::eek:

I just happen to see the price on another companie's Hi-zoot blangy ball joints.

:eek: I knew he said they weren't going to be cheapm, but...... :eek:

Granted I have no idea of any similarities other than the name "ball joint" but It should give an idea...

:eek::eek:

I just happen to see the price on another companie's Hi-zoot blangy ball joints.

:eek: I knew he said they weren't going to be cheapm, but...... :eek:

Granted I have no idea of any similarities other than the name "ball joint" but It should give an idea...

what company?

what company?

Carli.

Carli.

HOLY Shnit . . .I just did a quick google search on them :eek:. . .pricey but warranty for life. Still cant wait to see what is coming out!

Will those fit the traditional style dana 44? But at that price, you could probably swap in king pins.

Will those fit the traditional style dana 44? But at that price, you could probably swap in king pins.


If you're talking about the Carli pieces....


Reading > you. :shaking::shaking:

Explain it in small words then! :shaking:

Explain it in small words then! :shaking:

Carli's ball joints are only for the 2003+ Ram 2500/3500's AAM 9.25" front axle.

updates?

Yes I can get some media on Monday to appease the masses lol...

:question::zzz::question:

well he didn't say which monday, haha.

It will get done when it gets done.

Updates please I will be aquiring parts for my D44 rebuild soon and these would be nice.

Monday bump - I've got a few housings laying around that I could build...

Yes I can get some media on Monday to appease the masses lol...

I wonder if he was talking about Today and not last Monday?

Or next Monday.......or maybe the Monday after that!!

yeah gonna have mine apart soon, would like a teaser atleast.

Blew a ball joint over the weekend. 3/4 of the way up the hill. Got real ugly after that.
I guess I will be replacing both sides again with Moogs.
Hopefully they will last untill yours come out. Not really any other options.
That is unless anyone knows of a better product out there.
I am open to options.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/TSEJEEPERS/Colshester-10-065.jpg

My Moog upper's lasted 40k, my lower's are shot at 45k....I'm trying to wait but will get the Moog's replaced anyways as spares...

Just read the whole thread, and I am (along with quite a few others it seems) on the edge of my seat for a pic/price..updates???

Not long ago, alot of people were saying the Napa GOLD tie rods, ball joints, & u-joints were stronger than the moog stuff. Check 'em out first to be sure

Not long ago, alot of people were saying the Napa GOLD tie rods, ball joints, & u-joints were stronger than the moog stuff. Check 'em out first to be sure
I work at NAPA...
Master Ride Chassis (MRC/silver) is crap
Regular NAPA Chassis (NCP/gold) is good but not as good as MOOG
and NCP is better than MRC

Blew a ball joint over the weekend. 3/4 of the way up the hill. Got real ugly after that.
I guess I will be replacing both sides again with Moogs.
Hopefully they will last untill yours come out. Not really any other options.
That is unless anyone knows of a better product out there.
I am open to options.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/TSEJEEPERS/Colshester-10-065.jpg

check out the spicer HD ones a guy ordered a couple pages back :smokin:

check out the spicer HD ones a guy ordered a couple pages back :smokin:
Will do.
Another picture.


http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j42/TSEJEEPERS/P3140161.jpg

Wow, that looks like it really sucked! Sorry, man, looks like it ruined a good day of wheelin'...:(

Oh hell, and I thought you only web wheeled. :laughing:

hello?...
hello?...
hello?...





just wondering...

Thought this was interesting. Could not find a price or if they would fit standard Dana 44s.
http://www.dynatrac.com/products_prosteer_balljoints.html

Thought this was interesting. Could not find a price or if they would fit standard Dana 44s.
http://www.dynatrac.com/products_prosteer_balljoints.html

1994 – 1999 Dodge 2500, and 3500 4x4
2000 - 2002 Dodge 2500, and 3500 4x4
2003 – 2008 Dodge 2500, and 3500 4x4
2009 – Present Dodge 2500, and 3500 4x4
1992 – 1998 Ford F250, F350 4x4 pickups
1999 – 2004 Ford F250, F350, F450, and F550 4x4 pickups
2005 – Present Ford F250, F350, F450, and F550 4x4 pickups
1999 – Present Dynatrac Steering Axles for Trucks and Jeep vehicles
1997 – 2006 Jeep Wrangler
2007 – Present Jeep Wrangler


Both use D44 fronts in the Rubicon models, so you might be onto something here.

Could be worth it to call them up and see, but Dynatrac is usually big coin.

Both use D44 fronts in the Rubicon models, so you might be onto something here.

Could be worth it to call them up and see, but Dynatrac is usually big coin.

The Rubi 44 has 30 outers. It doesn't use the "real" 44 ball joints.

The Rubi 44 has 30 outers. It doesn't use the "real" 44 ball joints.

Thanks for clearing that up, I wasn't entirely sure if the TJ's used D30 or D44 ball joints.

But, it also lists the newer JK models, which use larger outer assembalies. I'm not really sure if they use standard D44 ball joints considering Jeep has specialized in bastardizing D44 front axles.

It also says they work in any present Dynatrac aftermarket axle, and Dynatrac does sell multiple D44 models.

If they fit "real" 44's, then they'd list a shitload of models prior to 1992, and they don't.

Sent Dynatrac a e mail. If I do not hear anything from them will give them a call sometime in the next couple of days.
Will let you know.

Any update?

What have you guys seen out there price wise for comparable upgraded balljoints?

I just installed the RCVs on my Bronco and I am very interested in this too.

Any update?

ditto - Would love to get an update on the balljoints from Ballistic or maybe a rough ETA. Trying to decide between upgrading to D60 or keeping the D44

I gotta order some stockers since mine are getting really bad. I know as soon as i install them the ballistic ones will be out.

Hey guys when are the ball joints going into production? Read the tread and I honestly think the weak point in my 44's are ball joints, broke them 2 different times....I'm definitely interested

put me down for a set when they come out

No go on the Dynatrac ones.
We only have our JK ProSteer Ball Joints available in the Jeep line at this time. We have other versions to engineer, but I have little tech info as to what they will fit at this time.

We're kind of perfecting the design and material choices right now. This is definitely one part that we are not going to rush into market, so if you are holding your breath, please don't.

We are working on this product however, and when we come up with a suitable, cost effective solution I promise I will let everyone know. We believe that we are on the right track, and even though our prototypes would work fine, I think that we can still do better.

Thanks for every one's interest, we're moving in the right direction.

Jeff

Sounds good Jeff, thanks for the update. I'll be checking back in, and hopefully theese will be available before replacement time comes around.

spy pics, spy pics, spy pics