I have a 99 4 door xj sport. I am interested in what everyone thinks i should do. I have a 3" lift on it now with stock axles. I would say i am newer to wheeling but i do see lines better that some people. my thoughts so far is to do a 231/300 doubler and a set of 60's on coilovers, a three link up front and a four link out back i would like it to sit on 37's. What would all you do if you started over?

I'd wheel it and have some fun.



There is no right way to build a rig. It all depends on how you're going to use it. It's best to first talk about what you want it to do, then talk about how to get there.

I'd wheel it and have some fun.



There is no right way to build a rig. It all depends on how you're going to use it. It's best to first talk about what you want it to do, then talk about how to get there.

X2 Listen to this guy he knows his shit.


What I would do (and did) is wheel it and figure out what you are truly into in the offroad world. I started out loving mud (Raised in Florida) but as I started getting into the sport I started to like it less and less, Now I avoid it at all cost. What Im trying to say is sometimes when your new you dont know exactly what you like to do yet, And you cant build a rig untill you do know. (I kinda just said the same thing as Goatman but in a long drawn out kinda way)

Or you could wheel it till it breaks and then upgrade. :flipoff2:

Or you could wheel it till it breaks and then upgrade. :flipoff2:

This seams to be the cycle that most people go. It is best for learning how to wheel and how to fab. But it is not the best on your wallet.

And if you keep on upgrading you will have a lot of down time for your rig.

Id do 40s, keep it low, keep the rockers high, keep the body narrow.
sounds like a good plan.

Id do 40s, keep it low, keep the rockers high, keep the body narrow.
sounds like a good plan.

X2

Plus coilovers, full hydro and air bumps. But that is for the high speed stuff I want to do. :smokin:

Well i guess i know more than i think i use to love mud. I did it all the time in my 4runner i had, but it sucked when i went to work on it cause of mud all over everything. so with the jeep i avoid it at all cost. I don't need to go fast offroad either, i will build a rally car if i ever want to do that. I would like a rock crawler and be able to do the rubicon and some other very hard trails. i wish some people would read what i put in my first post i am asking people how they would build one. I don't need to be told to just wheel it i do that all summer long, I am on here for improvement of my 4wheeling abilities. Thank for those who put in some real input.

Well i guess i know more than i think i use to love mud. I did it all the time in my 4runner i had, but it sucked when i went to work on it cause of mud all over everything. so with the jeep i avoid it at all cost. I don't need to go fast offroad either, i will build a rally car if i ever want to do that. I would like a rock crawler and be able to do the rubicon and some other very hard trails. i wish some people would read what i put in my first post i am asking people how they would build one. I don't need to be told to just wheel it i do that all summer long, I am on here for improvement of my 4wheeling abilities. Thank for those who put in some real input.

Sounds like you're a punk kid. I never give build advice, nor advise anyone else to build anything until the build goals are determined, so that's what you talk about first. I don't have time to write you an essay on everything I've learend and what I'd do again, especially if you don't have time to talk about your goals. I most likely wheel differently than you.

Sounds like you already know what to do, so go do it.

Well i guess i know more than i think i use to love mud. I did it all the time in my 4runner i had, but it sucked when i went to work on it cause of mud all over everything. so with the jeep i avoid it at all cost. I don't need to go fast offroad either, i will build a rally car if i ever want to do that. I would like a rock crawler and be able to do the rubicon and some other very hard trails. i wish some people would read what i put in my first post i am asking people how they would build one. I don't need to be told to just wheel it i do that all summer long, I am on here for improvement of my 4wheeling abilities. Thank for those who put in some real input.

Oh now we know what you want to do with it, you're just looking for a trail rig.

What would all you do if you started over?

I'd go with about 10"s of lift, leaf springs in the front. Square drive shafts would be hooked to a full width 10 bolt in the front and I'd add 5" wheel spacers to a Dana35 in the back, then rock some 38" Thornbirds. That would be full pimp status right there.


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I'd go with about 10"s of lift, leaf springs in the front. Square drive shafts would be hooked to a full width 10 bolt in the front and I'd add 5" wheel spacers to a Dana35 in the back, then rock some 38" Thornbirds. That would be full pimp status right there.


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That took longer than it should have.....

What he said with a 6' stinger on the front

leaf springs in the front.



HEY :flipoff2:

I'd go with about 10"s of lift, leaf springs in the front. Square drive shafts would be hooked to a full width 10 bolt in the front and I'd add 5" wheel spacers to a Dana35 in the back, then rock some 38" Thornbirds. That would be full pimp status right there.


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fail i got 8.25 oh and:flipoff2:

Stick with a small tired rig and build it as a you get more comfy. I started wheeling a stock KJ with open diffs and lots of steel under it. Now I have switched to a XJ on 4.5" and 33's with a stroker.

I'm glad I started with into the sport with the smaller tired rig. It forced me to get good at finding good lines. I don't feel I would be as confident with my skills if I just jumped in a comp rig and wheeled for the first time.

Build how you want but don't confuse the dislike of mud for "knowing more than I think"

Parakeet

so you want to build a rig on 60's, coilovers and 37's so that you can learn to wheel? Listen to what these guys are saying to you, you need to learn to wheel first before you start a build like this. Clapton didn't learn to play on a Les Paul. Figure out what your wheeling style is and what you want to use the rig for first. Just slapping some 60's under the thing isn't the way to go if you don't know what you want to do with it. You don't want to be the guy who bought a Ferrari but doesn't know how to drive a stick.

okay what part of i am done being a stock wheeler do i need to say. look i am looking for what people that have comp rigs would do different. I could go a d44/9in combo but i think that it would be beneficial if i skipped those axles. I guess some more history is needed i got my first 4x4 at 18 and hit every mud hole i could and flexed out on anything. I found mud to suck so i moved to more rock crawling and with a stock 87 4runner did half of the " medium trails" here in close to denver. Then i cranked up the torsion bars and made a pair of shackles wheeled like that for a year. Then i bought a aussie locker and a 1" body lift for it. I enjoyed the way it wheeled but wanted a solid axle up front. I made the decision to give the 4runner to my dad and bought the jeep. I wheeled it stock once and hated it so i lifted it 3" and put a set of 31's on it. now i have had it a year and want to start making plans for changing its setup. this is were i am now so if i need more beginning wheeling then i may just quit cause i am board with what i am doing wheeling wise.

so start buying parts :flipoff2:

think i will get some 60's this spring and start on them. What is the best 60 for the front? Ford? kingpin?

think i will get some 60's this spring and start on them. What is the best 60 for the front? Ford? kingpin?

Since it hasn't become apparent to you yet....

You've gotten about as good of answers as you are going to get for the questions you are asking...
The reason we've all told you what we have is because, though you "are tired of being a stock wheeler", you are still asking stock wheeler questions.... in a NON-STOCK forum..

There's a search button, even an "advanced search", which will get you answers to every question you've asked... 10 times over...

So...
What would all you do if you started over?
RESEARCH (ie: push the search button until it's worn out)

Plan your build out, do some cost analysis, then start a build thread....
If you are doing it wrong, I'm certain you'll be informed of such...


Your research should start here. (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=582126)...
Then progress to here. (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=739066)...

Since it hasn't become apparent to you yet....

You've gotten about as good of answers as you are going to get for the questions you are asking...
The reason we've all told you what we have is because, though you "are tired of being a stock wheeler", you are still asking stock wheeler questions.... in a NON-STOCK forum..

There's a search button, even an "advanced search", which will get you answers to every question you've asked... 10 times over...

So...

RESEARCH (ie: push the search button until it's worn out)

Plan your build out, do some cost analysis, then start a build thread....
If you are doing it wrong, I'm certain you'll be informed of such...


Your research should start here. (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=582126)...
Then progress to here. (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=739066)...

This statement FTW.

Took me years to figure out my rig. And hone my skills as a driver. I'm no pro and my rig isn't a full comp buggy, but I am getting there. Everyone here still has plenty to learn. Now start reading and SEARCH until that mouse button doesn't work anymore. Then get a new mouse and keep going.

I'm no pro and my rig isn't a full comp buggy

Finally, something we can all agree about in this thread! :flipoff2:



punk kid - good luck getting information from people by being a whiny bitch. If you arent getting the answers you are looking for, ask them a different way.

Bad question: I'm thinking about 60's and coilovers on my sweet xj. What do you guys think?


Good question: I'm thinking about running 16" coilovers in the front of my cherokee. Has anyone run these successfully? What problems will arise with running shocks this long? I plan on having lp dana 60 with full hydro steering and a dana 300 (or whatever)



Be specific and act like you know a little something about building a rig. I personally think you should follow your last post and quit.:laughing:

Finally, something we can all agree about in this thread! :flipoff2:



punk kid - good luck getting information from people by being a whiny bitch. If you arent getting the answers you are looking for, ask them a different way.

Bad question: I'm thinking about 60's and coilovers on my sweet xj. What do you guys think?


Good question: I'm thinking about running 16" coilovers in the front of my cherokee. Has anyone run these successfully? What problems will arise with running shocks this long? I plan on having lp dana 60 with full hydro steering and a dana 300 (or whatever)



Be specific and act like you know a little something about building a rig. I personally think you should follow your last post and quit.:laughing:

Hey fawker.... :flipoff2:

OK, so your questrion is what would I do different?

Nothing, it works good the way it is. :flipoff2:

I've seen more people get themselves into trouble with an overbuilt rig and no experiance. And the flip side of that is I've seen people with underbuilt rigs walk up stuff that tube buggys didn't want to try. It's all about experiance. Don't matter how big your rigs tires are if you can't keep the rubber side down.

Sounds like you have a plan, now start collecting parts and wheel the snot out of it as it sits now. Or if your tired of the Stock wheeling (which BTW 3" of lift and 31's isn't stock) keep your three inchs and throw on a set of 33"s. You can fit them with the right bumpstops and a little fender trimming.

Listen to these guys. It's pretty obvious that most of these guys could piss a better rig than what you could build just based on the questions you have asked. I've said it once already build it how you want but knowledge and the search button will help you a lot more than a " What would you do different" question.


Parakeet

I'm no pro and don't know how to wheel but if I build another it will be on stock axles and 35's. When I break all the stock stuff I'll go to alloys. I would not do dual cases, if wait for the $$ to do a klune or an atlas if I wanted dual low range. JMHO! For the record Goat was right in the fist post.

I've seen more people get themselves into trouble with an overbuilt rig and no experiance. And the flip side of that is I've seen people with underbuilt rigs walk up stuff that tube buggys didn't want to try. It's all about experiance. Don't matter how big your rigs tires are if you can't keep the rubber side down.

Sounds like you have a plan, now start collecting parts and wheel the snot out of it as it sits now. Or if your tired of the Stock wheeling (which BTW 3" of lift and 31's isn't stock) keep your three inchs and throw on a set of 33"s. You can fit them with the right bumpstops and a little fender trimming.

Listen to these guys. It's pretty obvious that most of these guys could piss a better rig than what you could build just based on the questions you have asked. I've said it once already build it how you want but knowledge and the search button will help you a lot more than a " What would you do different" question.


Parakeet

thanks for the input. I am going to buy a set of 33"s for the next two seasons. This thread has changed the way i look at this forum now. I will keep this going, and my jeep will end up on 60's. I think the comment about people being able to piss a better rig than mine is a little out of line, but to each is own.

That wasn't a smash on your rig it was more out of respect to the ones giving you advise. Read thier build threads and you will understand. Wheeling a stockish vehicle and hording parts in the meantime is the way to go. Trust me I wheeled a stock KJ for about 2 years before I lifted it:flipoff2:


Parakeet

I am a big fan of the build it as you go, and grow your experiance as you do so. Anyone can wheel a truck on 37's not everyone can do the same on 33's.


I think it just works better.

Personally I enjoyed wheeling with open diffs and 30" tires. It was even better when I made locked rigs on 35s look stupid when they couldnt get up something or got stuck and I drove around them and still got up their line.

I wheeled stock or with a little bit of lift for 4 years. Had a rear locker for a year then started hording parts till I thought I had enough to start. Then I bought more parts. With all the time I used buying parts my wants changed a few times and that helped me in the long run because I built what I wanted in the end.

We will always grow as wheelers and with that comes differant needs.

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