Well after 3+ years and 30,000 miles its time to go gooseneck with camper.

Reason: Want to haul Polaris RZR behind jeep on trailer.....makes tongue
weight to lite.

Trailer as bumper pull

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This is the original build thread:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=690272

Started Friday at local Trailer fabricator(kevin Parks Wholesale Trailers)



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Last night and today's progress

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At least you can fab better than you can spell.

Sweet, I always envied your trailer and rig set up. I think you'll like the gooseneck much better.

very cool update..

I don't get it.....doesn't seem like there is enough length to fit a RZR on the back of that trailer behind the Jeep? So how will goosenecking the trailer help you fit that on there?

I could be totally wrong and apologize if I'm missing something...

At least you can fab better than you can spell.

At the very least......but thanks for the contribution lickdicker sp:



Sweet, I always envied your trailer and rig set up. I think you'll like the gooseneck much better.

Thanks.....I think I will to except for loosing bed space.

very cool update..
Thanks

I don't get it.....doesn't seem like there is enough length to fit a RZR on the back of that trailer behind the Jeep? So how will goosenecking the trailer help you fit that on there?

I could be totally wrong and apologize if I'm missing something...

You are correct
It will not fit right now. I'm going to add removable pods on the rear using reciever hitch style hookup that the out side wheels will fit on while parked sideway's on the trailer.

Backing the jeep up 18 inches puts the tounge weight at 300 pounds.
Also my new tj wheelbase is 7 inches longer than my old one and already contributed to a lighter tounge.

The RZR is about 1000 pounds as it sits.

Will not always take RZR just on some trips.....would like to attend KOH taking RZR for run around yet take jeep to wheel while there.

would like to attend KOH taking RZR for run around yet take jeep to wheel while there.

Ohhhh snap... Convoy! :smokin:

the jeep looks a lot better now that you repainted it. That flame paint job was gay.

are you going to have to move the axles back to get back some tongue weight? having too little tongue weight on a gooseneck is better than a light tongue with a bumper pull but still aint good,right?

on the fabwork,looks awsome! definately lookin forward to more pics :smokin:

I am real interested to see how you tie into the subframe. I see the channels going back, but can't tell how far and exactly where they go.

Ohhhh snap... Convoy! :smokin:
Lets do it

the jeep looks a lot better now that you repainted it. That flame paint job was gay.
7 years ago that was styling....flames, iron cross I was a happy camper.
And that jeep is still out on the trails with new owner with that paint.
However all ways appreciate someone from that team pointing it out when I have crossed over:flipoff2:

The jeep in the picture is a new build only been out about 4 times...still working on what paint design will end up with.

are you going to have to move the axles back to get back some tongue weight? having too little tongue weight on a gooseneck is better than a light tongue with a bumper pull but still aint good,right?

on the fabwork,looks awsome! definately lookin forward to more pics :smokin:

There is 1500 lbs of weight in the gooseneck with around 200 pounds of old tongue cut off for total of 1300 net gain

I am real interested to see how you tie into the subframe. I see the channels going back, but can't tell how far and exactly where they go.

In this pic you can see the cross beam connecting the old tongue to the new outside frame rails. This thing is way stouter than it needs to be.....but in order to make it look clean and not an after thought had to over kill a little.


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Here is a pic of the bottom outside rails going back to frame...next pic will show completed outside beams....that is a piece of 8" channel boxing all the way back to original frame.

There are four frame rails running to front of trailer


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The 12" I-beam is overkill as well...but needed the depth for propane bottles(4) on top and tool box on bottom. Tool box had to be deep enough to hold baby weber grill

ive always liked this trailer, now i like it even more. How much do you think it will weigh with the new gooseneck and the RZR on back?

At the very least......but thanks for the contribution lickdicker sp:





Thanks.....I think I will to except for loosing bed space.


Thanks



You are correct
It will not fit right now. I'm going to add removable pods on the rear using reciever hitch style hookup that the out side wheels will fit on while parked sideway's on the trailer.

Backing the jeep up 18 inches puts the tounge weight at 300 pounds.
Also my new tj wheelbase is 7 inches longer than my old one and already contributed to a lighter tounge.

The RZR is about 1000 pounds as it sits.

Will not always take RZR just on some trips.....would like to attend KOH taking RZR for run around yet take jeep to wheel while there.


Right on, just didn't get it at first. Nice trailer, almost exactly what I'd like to have someday. Keep up the nice work.

ive always liked this trailer, now i like it even more. How much do you think it will weigh with the new gooseneck and the RZR on back?

will get exact numbers when finished but should be around 14,000 with jeep, RZR, camper trailer, all full of fluids.

Right on, just didn't get it at first. Nice trailer, almost exactly what I'd like to have someday. Keep up the nice work.

Thanks....hope to see ya on the trails when you get yours done.

Are you going with tandem jacks or sticking with the 1 up front?

I saw a smoking sale on some hydro/electric jacks somewhere just like I have on mine but I can't find the link anywhere. My dad wanted to add a pair to his trailer instead of the old hand crank version.

Are you going with tandem jacks or sticking with the 1 up front?

I saw a smoking sale on some hydro/electric jacks somewhere just like I have on mine but I can't find the link anywhere. My dad wanted to add a pair to his trailer instead of the old hand crank version.

Hydro electric is the mack daddy set up. My buddy switched to them on his 25' GN and what a difference it makes.

Hydro electric is the mack daddy set up. My buddy switched to them on his 25' GN and what a difference it makes.

Yup, I even started to use the jacks on the trailer to lift my slider 5th wheel hitch out of the truck. Works like a charm.

The only problem I have with mine is that they installed them pretty low, I've thought about rewelding them a couple inches higher because if the pads on the jacks sometimes drag when I cross railroad tracks and things like that. They'll extend way past where I would ever need, I can put the ass end of the trailer on the ground in a flat parking lot before they max out lifting.

cool update...your settup has always been one of my favorites.

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Thanks, that was the picture I was looking for. I was pretty sure that was how you were doing it, but just wanted to double check. :grinpimp:

Dick looking good so far, you and your twin brother kevin do excellent work.are you going to have room on the trailer for your lark,i know fritz loves to sit on your lap ride around camp.must be nice to have that set up rich bastard.just kidding looking good.

Are you going with tandem jacks or sticking with the 1 up front? QUOTE]

Doubles it is no hydrolic:clown2:

[QUOTE=jmhinescj;10526066]cool update...your settup has always been one of my favorites.
Thanks

Dick looking good so far your twin brother kevin does excellent work.are you going to have room on the trailer for your lark,i know fritz loves to sit on your lap ride around camp.must be nice to have that set up rich bastard.just kidding looking good.

Fritz got to fat....no more camp rides for him. Saw on facebook were you went to halloween party...nice picture
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Oh by the way is this not your new hauler

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Latest progress......should paint tonight

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Diggin it.:smokin:

IN thanks for the chance!!!!!





















:flipoff2: Damn nice rig and have liked from day one!!!

IN thanks for the chance!!!
:flipoff2: Damn nice rig and have liked from day one!!!


Thanks.....I noticed you said you went to Palo Duro every year. Several of us from San Angelo go every year(I have missed 3 of the last 8) meant to try and find some of the P4X4 people this year and didn't. If you were there I was one of the guys they said had missplaced his wife during the drivers meeting. Any way always fun times.

.....would like to attend KOH taking RZR for run around yet take jeep to wheel while there.

So, tell us about your KOH plans..........and oh, the rig is killer.:stirthepot:

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How well does that tundra tow that setup? How heavy is that?

The tundra pulls fine plenty of horse power i did have to add air bags next mod will be a supercharger.trailer and jeep should weigh around 13.000 lbs.

Dam dick quit working and post your finished pictures.looks kick ass.so get off your lazy ass and post them.unlike me im very busy and hard at work.i had to stop my busy schedule just to post this and maybe look at a buggy or two.

The tundra pulls fine plenty of horse power i did have to add air bags next mod will be a supercharger.trailer and jeep should weigh around 13.000 lbs.

I hate to say it, not a tundra fan at all but that's a damn nice set up. I'd think a gooseneck would pull pretty nice with that setup.

OK...Finally finished front.......I like the way it turned out, looks like it has always been a gooseneck.

Anyway....Tony and Vernon decided to give my camper a coat of wax while I retro fit his gooseneck to fit 4 propane bottles. It was a good trade off they could not lift their arms above their head when they were finished

The wax made mine look new, amazing what a little maintenance will do, and on Tony's with his bottles done the installation of reflector tape is all his needed to be finished. Did not get any pics of Tony's but it is looking good, he will post pics of his later.

Tony's is the camper with the Tundra pulling it in previous post


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What's the outlet or lighting outlet on the front of the box for?

Do you have a 7 round lighting cord that you can unhook on both ends? :smokin:

What's the outlet or lighting outlet on the front of the box for?

Do you have a 7 round lighting cord that you can unhook on both ends? :smokin:

Yep....don't have a 8 way in the bed of truck so installed 8 way in toolbox temporarily until I take time to do truck and will reroute and just leave the 8-way in the tool box.

I had a double ended cord that works perfect for now.

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Yep....don't have a 8 way in the bed of truck so installed 8 way in toolbox temporarily until I take time to do truck and will reroute and just leave the 8-way in the tool box.

I had a double ended cord that works perfect for now.

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That's pretty damn cool, I never thought about doing that and I hate having that cord hanging when it's parked. :smokin: I'm looking at insulating the floor above the 5th wheel loft in mine, I guess I could mount myself a jack around there somewhere.

Damn, I'm jealous.

Everybody keeps telling me how awesome toy haulers are, but I don't think they could even imagine your build. Looks awesome, and I'm sure it works great.

That is sweet and a lot of propane too.:smokin:

Any idea on the tongue and axle weights now?


Also, I'm interested in the specs on the Toyota's trailer too.

Thanks

That turned out awesome

Great job..

so how did it tow on the way home?

Damn, I'm jealous.

Everybody keeps telling me how awesome toy haulers are, but I don't think they could even imagine your build. Looks awesome, and I'm sure it works great.


Thanks....I have seen some really nice toyhaulers but never one that met all my needs, and when I see one that gets close to work for me they are higher than giraffe snatch.




That is sweet and a lot of propane too.:smokin:

Any idea on the tongue and axle weights now?

Thanks

Thanks.....Did not need that much propane but is nice to have more than you need vs. the alternative. These are weights I got last week:

Truck, Trailer, and Jeep weights



Truck, Trailer, and Jeep full of fluids 23,500
gas, water, propane on trailer all full
jeep full gas
dodge full of diesel

Truck, Trailer, and Jeep with front truck tires off scale 19,000

Front truck axle loaded 4,500
Rear truck axle loaded 6,120

Truck 9,000

Trailer 10,000

Jeep 4,500

Trailer and Jeep tongue weight 1,640

Trailer tongue weight empty 2,420

Trailer and Jeep…trailer axle weight 12,880




Jeep

Front axle 2,480

LF 1,200
RF 1,320

Rear axle 1,960

LR 1,080
RR 900

The only weight I did not get was the tongue weight with the jeep pulled all the way forward on the trailer.......jeep was sitting about 18inches back from most forward spot



Also, I'm interested in the specs on the Toyota's trailer too.

Thanks

Do not have Tony's weights yet....He is supposed to be getting some pics posted of his....It is a brand new build.

Man those weights are very close to mine when loaded, are you still feeling ok about the SRW situation? I get funny looks all the time. :laughing:

That turned out awesome

Great job..

so how did it tow on the way home?

It tows good....you can tell its back there but tows good

Man those weights are very close to mine when loaded, are you still feeling ok about the SRW situation? I get funny looks all the time. :laughing:

DRW would be better...but I don't worry about it I never have liked DRW trucks.....it pulls good with about 3K on each tire, under tire specs that I think are around 3300lbs each.

DRW would be better...but I don't worry about it I never have liked DRW trucks.....it pulls good with about 3K on each tire, under tire specs that I think are around 3300lbs each.

Are you running the OEM Michelin tires on your truck?

That is sweet and a lot of propane too.:smokin:

Also, I'm interested in the specs on the Toyota's trailer too.

Thanks

I took a few pics of Tony's. The trailer started out as a 30 foot wood deck Kaufman with a few add ons: Torque tube, tool box, spare tire rack, 7k axles both have brakes, double jacks, and rear ramp pockets.

Camper is 15 feet long, it has a propane onan under the deck with 4 propane bottles in tongue.

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I took a few pics of Tony's. The trailer started out as a 30 foot wood deck Kaufman with a few add ons: Torque tube, tool box, spare tire rack, 7k axles both have brakes, double jacks, and rear ramp pockets.

Camper is 15 feet long, it has a propane onan under the deck with 4 propane bottles in tongue.


Very nice setup.

The real test will be today.i bet you will be real happy the way it pulls through the hill country.make sure you install your outside shower before you leave!

WOW, this makes me want to trade in my monster for a setup like this.

Thanks.....I noticed you said you went to Palo Duro every year. Several of us from San Angelo go every year(I have missed 3 of the last 8) meant to try and find some of the P4X4 people this year and didn't. If you were there I was one of the guys they said had missplaced his wife during the drivers meeting. Any way always fun times.

Ah yea, we were the Okies they kept referring to that acted like Jr High kids in the drivers meeting!! See you there next year?? What about Katemcy in Feb? I'm planning on it, but we'll see. Gotta get a new motor in first.

Here's my ride:

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm20/mrtodd2279/IMG_0183.jpg

I know I'm bringing this thread back from the dead, but that's a really nice set-up. I'd like to do something similar, but there would be trips where I wouldn't need to bring the Jeep . . . are there any problems towing when the cargo deck is empty?

I know I'm bringing this thread back from the dead, but that's a really nice set-up. I'd like to do something similar, but there would be trips where I wouldn't need to bring the Jeep . . . are there any problems towing when the cargo deck is empty?

No problems at all I had a matching setup like this one.:D

Thanks man! :)

I bought Rocyota's trailer last year and it pulls like a champ. Head wind, side wind, tail wind it doesn't matter. I only have a few 1000 miles on it so far, but it seems pretty balanced even without a rig on the back.

-Jon

Sweet, I always envied your trailer and rig set up. I think you'll like the gooseneck much better.
I had a bunch of envy on the original setup, this is over the top. Really good looking and functional trailer. How did you tie the RV into the trailer? I asked this question in the original build thread too, just wanted to know.....awesome build.