So I was thinking today about daisy chaining a second 220v outlet... basically two 220v outlets on one circuit.

The 220v outlets don't have spots to hookup the second one, so I was curious how you would do this properly ???

The electrician at home depot said wire nut it, apparently they really do sell wire nuts for 6ga wire :eek: but I was thinking there had to be a better way to do it with maybe a distribution block or clamp type thing like they have for battery posts... :confused:

He wasn't sure if you could do it in the same box as the first outlet or if it had to be done in a box by itself, seemed odd...

Anyway... oh-wise PBB what is the proper way to daisy chain a 220v outlet... Wire nuts seemed scary for such big wires, but hey maybe it's right :eek:

Are you out of space in the breaker panel? Are you talking about a 220 straight blade for a welder or a 220 twist lock?

There's probably not enough room in the box the receptacle is in now for:

the feed cable
the pigtales going to the receptacle
the receptacle
the 2nd cable going to the second receptacle
and the splicing method (burndies, or a set of lugs, I've never seen a wirenut that could take 3 #6's).

So you're looking at getting a can to make the splice in (there's tables to size the can).

What are the outlets used for anyway, you usually would not daisy chain outlets this big.

If you're gonna have equipment pugged into these receptacles full time, running a new homerun to the panel is really the way to go.

I've never messed with this, but I *think* you can get breakers meant for taking two wires on each pole. I'm not talking a standard 240 breaker, I mean one that will take 4 wires total.

If you can make a run back to the box, I would think this would be best. If you ever upgraded the panel, then you could also easily split them to two breakers, also.

*disclaimer* I'm not an electrician, and nothing I say should be taken at face value.

4 # 6 awg well not fit in one of those oult box


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4" x 4" x 4" Molded Junction Box (http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=10029-223-E987N-CAR&lpage=none)

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put main feed wire in two box

run outlut wire to where u what it run wire back to gang box use wire lugs on wire


hook feed wire to outlet wire and u got two for one

u can use
terminal-lugs
http://www.kutai.com.tw/images/automatic-transfer-switch/g-225-terminal-lugs.jpg

Split Bolt Connectors
http://www.yourelectricalsource.com/media/subcategories/SB-2.jpg

use Insulating and Splicing Tape make sure to cover all bare meatal do't be cheap whit it put some on it than cove whit good elce tape

i do not think he well use both outlet at the same tiem just need a outlet soem other palce in his shop

Why not a heavy duty extension cord .

It would cost almost just as much in materials if not more to do what you are doing .

I have seen a large box used to do what you want to do with the split bolt connectors . Just a royal pain to change anything or test any thing because of all the tape .

It can be done :grinpimp:

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=828433

Nothing wrong with it.

Use these
https://www.ilsco.com//Images/ProductImages/PBTS.jpg

https://www.ilsco.com//ProductsDetail.aspx?kfjkff=San97iWqTKQFI4p1HHJR6Q% 3d%3d&fjjfhjhj=Q%2faOLKHyW%2foPH7LkpNGycCyflIq7eXk3FrVCs YL8FTw%3d

Yeah skip the split bolts and non-insulated terminals. Go straight for the connectors like carter3 posted. We have gone to using these for pretty much every splicing application and all motor pecker heads. They cost a little more but the time saving makes up for it.

I'de probably just wire nut it as a first try. See if you can't easily pull a wire or nut off, if not it should be fine.

Regardless of your splice of choice, I'de put a j-box between your outlets and the breaker and put your splice in that.

Nothing wrong with it.

Use these
https://www.ilsco.com//Images/ProductImages/PBTS.jpg

https://www.ilsco.com//ProductsDetail.aspx?kfjkff=San97iWqTKQFI4p1HHJR6Q% 3d%3d&fjjfhjhj=Q%2faOLKHyW%2foPH7LkpNGycCyflIq7eXk3FrVCs YL8FTw%3d

I'de probably just wire nut it as a first try. See if you can't easily pull a wire or nut off, if not it should be fine.

Regardless of your splice of choice, I'de put a j-box between your outlets and the breaker and put your splice in that.

Thanks guys.

The reason is I don't want my walls to be swiss cheese.

I have planned for approx 4 220v circuits, however I'd like to add a 2nd 220v outlet to them for ease of use. And yeah, anything running at the same time IE: Plasma and Compressor will be on separate circuits.

I have a 50' 220v extension cord, but I like NOT having to move that heavy ass thing around if I can help it.


So to do the splice I go from in the walls, to a box on a stud, to the outlets it looks like ??

Nothing wrong with it.

Use these
https://www.ilsco.com//Images/ProductImages/PBTS.jpg

https://www.ilsco.com//ProductsDetail.aspx?kfjkff=San97iWqTKQFI4p1HHJR6Q% 3d%3d&fjjfhjhj=Q%2faOLKHyW%2foPH7LkpNGycCyflIq7eXk3FrVCs YL8FTw%3d

Now to find those local or a place online.. any suggestions ?? 6 port, 6AWG.

Can I put that in a single receptacle box, dual receptacle box or does it need to go in a metal box?

Now to find those local or a place online.. any suggestions ?? 6 port, 6AWG.

Can I put that in a single receptacle box, dual receptacle box or does it need to go in a metal box?

6 port?

The Ilsco web page has a distributors link for your area. But any electrical supply house will have them.

If you have to have the 6 port, you will probably have to order them. Most supply houses will stock 3 and 4 port.

Depending on what size you go with will determine the box size. a couple of 6 port will have to go into something in the range of a 6x6x4 or bigger. I like bigger for working room. Doesn't have to be metal, PVC is fine.

6 port?

The Ilsco web page has a distributors link for your area. But any electrical supply house will have them.

If you have to have the 6 port, you will probably have to order them. Most supply houses will stock 3 and 4 port.

Depending on what size you go with will determine the box size. a couple of 6 port will have to go into something in the range of a 6x6x4 or bigger. I like bigger for working room. Doesn't have to be metal, PVC is fine.

I guess it would be 2x 3 port

1 Hot in --> 2 Hot out (unit 1)

1 Hot in --> 2 Hot Out (unit 2)

Wire nut Grounds (right?)