YellowSub1962
10-01-2001, 11:10 AM
<font color="yellow">This is total B.S.!!!!
[EDIT]I meant the whole issue and how its been handled and tried to sneak through congress as a "rider" when it didn't pass as it's own bill. I can't believe the nerve of Young and other CARA supporters to go about persuing this at this point in time in the wake of a National Tragedy, let alone backdooring support from the NRA to do it.... The part about "covertly" getting the NRAs support pisses me off. When CARA was first introduced, the NRA said it would not support the condeming of peoples rights in any way shape or form, now they support it. </font c>
As our national economy teeters on the brink of a massive recession;
> Capitol Hill observers note the CARA Pork Masters, such as Alaska
> Congressman Don Young, are still scheming to attach the bill to emergency
> spending and slip it through. Very dangerously, CARA has the lobby support
> of the environmental industry and the NRA.
>
> Don Young, the Architect of CARA, serves on the NRA Board of Directors and
> many NRA members believe that Young's influence covertly swayed the
> organization to support the land grab bill. CARA analysts predict if NRA
> drops its support of HR 701, it will die.
>
> If you have not done so, please let your elected public servants and NRA
> know how you feel about this destructive and unconstitutional legislation.
>
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>
> James Baker at! NRA: edila@nrahq.org
>
************************************************** **************************
>
> Write Congress by going to http://www.paragonpowerhouse.org/ and inserting
> your Zip Code in the
> "Write to Congress" window.
>
************************************************** **************************
>
> Write to Congressman Young at:
> http://www.house.gov/donyoung/opinion_form.htm
> (My Letter to Young)
> Mr. Young,
> I believe that your continued support of CARA in the face of our national
> disaster proves that your greed surpasses the critical needs of America.
> Because of your constant pressure to pass this land grab bill; It is my
> opinion that you are downright un-American.
>
> Using your influence to covertly have NRA support CARA is a detestable and
> abhorrent act that has surely damaged this great American institution.
>
> Jay Walley
>
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>
> How CARA (HR 701) Monies can be used to take private land.
> Attorney Fred Kelly Grant Analysis of Private Land Condemnation Clauses in
>! CARA
>
> The below text contains the key private land condemnation clauses.
> Mr. Kelly's full Analysis, " CARA - The Unraveling of a Free Nation" may
be
> viewed at http://www.stewardsoftherange.org/cara-unraveling.htm
>
>
>
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> Section 205 of HR 701 provides that the federal portion of funds may be
used
> "acquire any property" from an owner who concurs in the sale "or" if the
> acquisition "is specifically approved by an Act of Congress". This clearly
> places the acquisition in the alternative: either from a seller who at
least
> concurs in selling, or by an Act of Congress ! which is in its very nature
> "condemnation". The same section also provides that the Secretary of
> Interior shall prepare a list of proposed acquisitions of land to be made
> each year to submit to Congress, and then provides that: "(B) In preparing
> each list [of acquisitions] the Secretary shall----
> . . .
> (iv) identify those properties that are proposed to be acquired from
willing
> sellers and specify any for which adverse condemnation is requested."
> Section 10, which is supposed to be the "Savings Clause" provides that
> nothing in the Act "shall authorize that private property be taken for
> public use, without just compensation as provided by the Fifth and
> Fourteenth amendments to the United States Constitution." That is in fact
> "condemnation". What the clause says is that the Act does not authorize
> expropriation of property, i.e., taking without compensation.
> Note a! lso that there is no provision in the Act which even attempts to
> encourage states to acquire property only from "willing sellers". So, the
> billions which will go to states over the 15 years can clearly be used for
> condemnation, and the federal dollars are to supplement "dedicated State
> land acquisition funds" (Section 206)
> Also note that Section 205 which purports to be the "willing seller"
> section, does not define a "willing seller" as the term is defined in
realty
> law. Rather, it refers to an owner who "concurs" in the sale. That means
> any owner who agrees to sell. Of course, that means any sale because there
> can be no contract of sale without agreement by both seller and buyer
> because every contract requires such mutual agreement. But, the CARA paper
> goes into detail as why this is not the definition of a "willing seller"
who
> must be a person who wants to sell and is unde! r no compulsion of any type
to
> do so---not pressure from government as to species limitations, not
pressure
> from regulatory agencies limiting land use, no compulsion of any kind.
> Please let me know if you would like to discuss the terms of the Act
> further.
>
> Fred Kelly Grant, Policy Director, Stewards of the Range
> fred@stewardsoftherange.org
>
>
>
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[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: YellowSub1962 ]
[EDIT]I meant the whole issue and how its been handled and tried to sneak through congress as a "rider" when it didn't pass as it's own bill. I can't believe the nerve of Young and other CARA supporters to go about persuing this at this point in time in the wake of a National Tragedy, let alone backdooring support from the NRA to do it.... The part about "covertly" getting the NRAs support pisses me off. When CARA was first introduced, the NRA said it would not support the condeming of peoples rights in any way shape or form, now they support it. </font c>
As our national economy teeters on the brink of a massive recession;
> Capitol Hill observers note the CARA Pork Masters, such as Alaska
> Congressman Don Young, are still scheming to attach the bill to emergency
> spending and slip it through. Very dangerously, CARA has the lobby support
> of the environmental industry and the NRA.
>
> Don Young, the Architect of CARA, serves on the NRA Board of Directors and
> many NRA members believe that Young's influence covertly swayed the
> organization to support the land grab bill. CARA analysts predict if NRA
> drops its support of HR 701, it will die.
>
> If you have not done so, please let your elected public servants and NRA
> know how you feel about this destructive and unconstitutional legislation.
>
************************************************** **************************
>
> James Baker at! NRA: edila@nrahq.org
>
************************************************** **************************
>
> Write Congress by going to http://www.paragonpowerhouse.org/ and inserting
> your Zip Code in the
> "Write to Congress" window.
>
************************************************** **************************
>
> Write to Congressman Young at:
> http://www.house.gov/donyoung/opinion_form.htm
> (My Letter to Young)
> Mr. Young,
> I believe that your continued support of CARA in the face of our national
> disaster proves that your greed surpasses the critical needs of America.
> Because of your constant pressure to pass this land grab bill; It is my
> opinion that you are downright un-American.
>
> Using your influence to covertly have NRA support CARA is a detestable and
> abhorrent act that has surely damaged this great American institution.
>
> Jay Walley
>
************************************************** **************************
>
> How CARA (HR 701) Monies can be used to take private land.
> Attorney Fred Kelly Grant Analysis of Private Land Condemnation Clauses in
>! CARA
>
> The below text contains the key private land condemnation clauses.
> Mr. Kelly's full Analysis, " CARA - The Unraveling of a Free Nation" may
be
> viewed at http://www.stewardsoftherange.org/cara-unraveling.htm
>
>
>
************************************************** **************************
> Section 205 of HR 701 provides that the federal portion of funds may be
used
> "acquire any property" from an owner who concurs in the sale "or" if the
> acquisition "is specifically approved by an Act of Congress". This clearly
> places the acquisition in the alternative: either from a seller who at
least
> concurs in selling, or by an Act of Congress ! which is in its very nature
> "condemnation". The same section also provides that the Secretary of
> Interior shall prepare a list of proposed acquisitions of land to be made
> each year to submit to Congress, and then provides that: "(B) In preparing
> each list [of acquisitions] the Secretary shall----
> . . .
> (iv) identify those properties that are proposed to be acquired from
willing
> sellers and specify any for which adverse condemnation is requested."
> Section 10, which is supposed to be the "Savings Clause" provides that
> nothing in the Act "shall authorize that private property be taken for
> public use, without just compensation as provided by the Fifth and
> Fourteenth amendments to the United States Constitution." That is in fact
> "condemnation". What the clause says is that the Act does not authorize
> expropriation of property, i.e., taking without compensation.
> Note a! lso that there is no provision in the Act which even attempts to
> encourage states to acquire property only from "willing sellers". So, the
> billions which will go to states over the 15 years can clearly be used for
> condemnation, and the federal dollars are to supplement "dedicated State
> land acquisition funds" (Section 206)
> Also note that Section 205 which purports to be the "willing seller"
> section, does not define a "willing seller" as the term is defined in
realty
> law. Rather, it refers to an owner who "concurs" in the sale. That means
> any owner who agrees to sell. Of course, that means any sale because there
> can be no contract of sale without agreement by both seller and buyer
> because every contract requires such mutual agreement. But, the CARA paper
> goes into detail as why this is not the definition of a "willing seller"
who
> must be a person who wants to sell and is unde! r no compulsion of any type
to
> do so---not pressure from government as to species limitations, not
pressure
> from regulatory agencies limiting land use, no compulsion of any kind.
> Please let me know if you would like to discuss the terms of the Act
> further.
>
> Fred Kelly Grant, Policy Director, Stewards of the Range
> fred@stewardsoftherange.org
>
>
>
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[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: YellowSub1962 ]