ok so ive been seriously concidering lowing my truck.the roof height is 7 foot,i have a 27 inch belly (flat),120 inch wb on 42s.now i would like to drop the truck a foot but i know thats not gonna happen.right now i have 6 inch springs in the front.

now my question is has anyone ever done 52s and a spring under?i wouldnt mine loosing the little bit of clearance cause it still wont be lower than my diff which i dont hit now :flipoff2: if im thinking right this will drop my truck 6 or more inches :eek: and i will be running full hydro and im not gonna link the front unless its a 1 link cause when i did the rear it was just to expensive to be honest.anyone run this setup?

You want to take a truck with 6 inch springs and drop it a foot????

If you went spring under, you would loose 3 or more.

If you went with stock suspension, you would be closer to your pavement scraping idea.

So what are we ultimately going for here? A low rider on 42"s?:p

basically on climbs even with a 6 inch lift and a linked rear on air shocks its a bit hairy to me.ive been in a truck on 52s and its still to high to me.plus i like to do alot of odd ball stuff to my rig and i thought this would fit along good.it will at least make for good disscussion :homer:

now im reading that the springs will get more treavel being spring under and have less wrap but the down side is clearance.im thinking its worth tryong at least

i should have just built a buggy but this is what i got so i gotta work with it you know.and i will have no fenders or hood btw.if i HAD to i could raise the motor and trans but that would deplete the reason for lowering it

your break over angle is going to go to shit and you will be bellypanning on everything.

6' is nealry stock height for a 4x4 and is going to cause LOTS of tire clearance problems.

i cant remember his user name but a guy named scott has a cab/truggy and he pushed the cab and drivetran back 12" on the frame and he was ablbe to run 49"s with 4"ish. its red and flamed.

are those measurements at full tire air pressure or at 3 psi?

Careful what you do. I have ford 57s in the front I started out with them flat (after I pulled out a few leaves). At the time I had 3" of uptravel... Now that they have settled a bit I can just squeeze a finger between the bumpstop and spring pad. It rides great until I hit a bump. Then it can make your teeth clack together! Now mine isn't all finished yet and I don't have shocks in the front. I'm thinking of using some cheap automotive air shocks and adjusting my ride height that way. I don't see the downside of that plan, anyone?:grinpimp:

your break over angle is going to go to shit and you will be bellypanning on everything.

6' is nealry stock height for a 4x4 and is going to cause LOTS of tire clearance problems.

i cant remember his user name but a guy named scott has a cab/truggy and he pushed the cab and drivetran back 12" on the frame and he was ablbe to run 49"s with 4"ish. its red and flamed.

remember there is mno body on mine and im loosing some of the firewall.i know it can be done because i ride with a guy on 3 inches of lift and 44s.like i said i dont even hit my belly now and i never have.

are those measurements at full tire air pressure or at 3 psi?

prolly around 5.never gets aired up past that

i forgot to mention the front end will be 52s.thats why im saying i should get about 6 inches of drop

honestly I think you would have to run some lifted 52" springs to do spring under.....I always played with the idea of this but I feel like my axle would be deep into my oil pan and I definitely would have to go full hydro! Maybe if you stopped it from having any up travel or used higher engine mounts(though you're moving weight higher which negates the whole purpose of going lower)
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your break over angle is going to go to shit and you will be bellypanning on everything.

6' is nealry stock height for a 4x4 and is going to cause LOTS of tire clearance problems.

i cant remember his user name but a guy named scott has a cab/truggy and he pushed the cab and drivetran back 12" on the frame and he was ablbe to run 49"s with 4"ish. its red and flamed.

The flaming Cheeto. Ran TTC year before last.


My .02, My blazer was less than 4", maybe less than 2", on 49s. The only saving grace was the short ass wheelbase, it was only about 113". With the 49s it would still scrape, but by the time thefronts where clear, the rears where touching. I had high clearance tube fenders, and only about 2" up travel. Unless you can get at least 6" of up, I wouldn't even think of what you are planning, because you'll be bumping over everything, and it's gonna be painful.,

sorta repeating what other said but. I like you idea and i think it would work with a a few catches though.

1. 52's and spring under i think will give you alot of clearences issues with the frame, oil pan, etc.....But 6" 52's or the like might have enough arch to still keep your axle and motor from making babies.

2. this low with 120" wheel base could be bad...im at 112 wb 6" with 38's and a 23" belly and rub alot.

Spring under would drop it around 6" as you have to account for the thickness of the springs as well.

I know that on 2wd when they drop 6" they have to notch the rear frame for the axle to clear.

You ain't smoking regs, that's for sure :flipoff2:

notching the frame isnt a problem.tire size can and will be changed in time.i figure im on bald 42s that measure about 40 inches at about 5 psi.like ive said ive had this truck out about 5 times and never hit belly.i personally dont mine dragging it either.when i get the money for tires it will prolly be in the 4 inch flavor.this truck is running 44s and 3 inches or mabye less.

notice still lower than me with bigger tires

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then just do the exact setup he has

His cage is lower than his roof line would be, his hood looks like it's been dropped in the front. Kind of tough to make a comparison to yours.

he doesnt have spring under and if thats what your going for then why go threw the hassle. whats the specs on his?

he has a body lift on the cab but not front end.3 inch springs (or less) moved foward like 52s and a shackle flip in the rear.his truck is alot lower than mine trust me

I'm thinking of using some cheap automotive air shocks and adjusting my ride height that way. I don't see the downside of that plan, anyone?:grinpimp:

1. factory shock mounts were not designed to support weight.

2. be sure to NOT use a single fill line; if you do, when you go
off-camber, the air will flow from the "compressing" side,
to the "unloading" side, exactly the inverse of a sway bar,
effectively raising the high side.

I'm almost done with mine again for this round I will have to get some pics to show it.

I didn't like the way it had big long shackles hanging down, fighting the bad pinion angles, and on top my frame kept rolling under at the shackles.

So my fix was to flip the hanger to make the tall side up and I pushed the mount as far up and forward as I could to the top of the frame. So now with 8" shackles they sit at about 1" away from the frame at ride height. I still have to put a piece of tubing in the lower part of the frame to clear the spring at compression but so far looks good. You guys get what im saying here?

As for the specs I'm on 44 tsl with 2" lift 52 on the front and measured in the shop I'm at 26" to the frame with 15 psi in the tires. So if I loose a 2" when I get the stock 52s and get to trial pressure I should get the frame in the 23"-24" height.

The other thing I did on this frame was move the engine crossmember and body mounts back 3 inches. This did wonders on keeping the tires out of the firewall and I ended up at 113 wheelbase since it all moved back except the front axle.

I'm thinking pics would be a good addition to your reply jayz8886.....sounds interesting :)

Yea it confused me typing it.:D I will get some pics this weekend to show what I have going on.

Ok so here are some pics of mine. The tires have around 11 psi in them.

Its still nose high but I don't have my stock 52s rebuilt yet. After they are in I should loose prolly 2 inches of height.
The frame is a suburban that I chopped down and moved the engine cross member and body mounts back 3 inches. This did wonders for the tires in the firewall and I gained 3 inches of wheelbase.

The front still has 2" or 2.5" lift 52s with 7.75" shackles and the rear is 3/4 ton 64s with the overload and second leaf pulled. You can see in the pic of the shackle where I plan to cutout the frame and put a piece of tube in to allow full compression of the front springs.

If you can see the pic of the tape its at the high end of the frame and its around 25.25".

The only other issue I see now is that my sliders are at like 24 inches now so I plan on boatsiding it also.

saw theese in gen4x4.look like a good option and i wouldnt mind getting away from a shackle.now how would you mount them in the front thought without adding lift?wouldnt they have to be flat and couldnt fallow the frame up at a angle?

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=836831

saw theese in gen4x4.look like a good option and i wouldnt mind getting away from a shackle.now how would you mount them in the front thought without adding lift?wouldnt they have to be flat and couldnt fallow the frame up at a angle?

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=836831

probably not the best idea in a front application when using a spring with any arch.

my springs will be flat hopefully.remember i want no lift at all.