We will squeeze one more day out of advance addapters hehe- they extended me one more day seing how they will be out becuase of cal-rocks and all- and will not be back in until 1st -tuesday- :D - soooo all you last minuters -bring it! :D Jesse

Originally posted by onetoncv
We will squeeze one more day out of advance addapters hehe- they extended me one more day seing how they will be out becuase of cal-rocks and all- and will not be back in until 1st -tuesday- :D - soooo all you last minuters -bring it! :D Jesse

Mannn..... if you keep rubbing the fact that I bought my atlas meer days before the sale..... I don't know what I'm going to do. :flipoff2:

So with the sale, how much are they running for?

Originally posted by bigblackjeep
So with the sale, how much are they running for?

Early on, Jess quoted $2450 for the 4:1 unit which includes the shaft upgrade and a set of his flanges.
I called him yesterday to order the 3.8 version and it is $175 less that that.
I added an adapter for a 350 auto and the delivered price came out to just a tad over $2500
Such a deal!

I dont get it? Why spend so much for a tcase with a 4:1 gearset in it? WHy not swap to a Toy 4.7 case and save $1300ish?

Originally posted by FreakAccident
I dont get it? Why spend so much for a tcase with a 4:1 gearset in it? WHy not swap to a Toy 4.7 case and save $1300ish?

First off many of us don't have toys. So, say we did, throw in adapters that may/may not exist to bolt it up to our AX15, NV4500, TH350, TF727, SM465, whatever. I'm sure it would be more closer to $2,000 in the end.

So.. why go atlas, lets just use the NP231 as an example:

32 Spline SYE Kit - $300
4:1 Gear Set - $1,000
np231 case - $500 (not to unrealistic for used)
2WD LO shifter - $300? (can't remember price)

Thats $2,100 spent for a transfer case that has a chain (which isn't a bad thing really), a smaller front ouput shaft, no front wheel drive Lo range.

Compared to an Atlas with 32 spline front rear, gears (instead of chain), a lower 4.3:1 ratio, twin stick. Cost is about $2,600 lets say, sell off your old NP231 for 4-500, $750 if it already has an HD SYE and suddenly it is the same price for a better transfer case.

The cost comparison can be done for most any transfer case, and if you figure in costs of parts from stores (not home built to be fair for price comparison), the Atlas isn't THAT much more expensive and a whole lot less hassle in many cases.

Just my .02 (anyone need an Atlas Salesman? :p)

Hey if you have the money for an Atlas go for it.

Originally posted by FreakAccident
Hey if you have the money for an Atlas go for it.

I wasn't trying to justify my purchase to you. I was just explaining how expensive it really was to put in a low geared tcase in to most rigs.

If you are going to nickle and dime your way to 70-80% of an atlas, why not just save and go the rest of the way for a better tcase?

Can you guys tell me how much the atlas weighs

There's no justification needed.

Upgrading the 231 is like polishing a turd. I agree that if you are comparing the cost of an upgraded 231 vs an Atlas the Atlas is the way to go.

I wouldn't do either but that's based on my opinion and budget.

Originally posted by FreakAccident
There's no justification needed.

Upgrading the 231 is like polishing a turd. I agree that if you are comparing the cost of an upgraded 231 vs an Atlas the Atlas is the way to go.

I wouldn't do either but that's based on my opinion and budget.

Not saying just the 231 though, the D300 is teh same way, its a little cheaper than the 231 to upgrade. But, same thing. By the time you are done, you are getting close to the cost of an atlas.

My point is that there are other options. Maybe not in a bolt on application but there are other much less expensive ways to get a stronger lower geared tcase.

I'm not familiar with the Toy 4.7 tcase, hows it built? how much would it cost to put behind something other than a Toy. for arguments sake, lets say a NV4500 Dodge tranny. (Tranny is 23 spline output, bolt pattern is 6 bolt round for NP based Transfer cases)

I wanna compare (heck my day is slow), list of the costs to get the toy transfer case, the parts needed to make it 4:1 (or is it 4.7:1) and parts needed to get it bolted up to the transmission, in this case a NV4500 from Dodge.

But wheres the front low on a toyota? i haven't been able to find it yet. Found it on my D300, but i'll buy an atlas before i spend $$$ to upgrade it.

Dallas

But wheres the front low on a toyota?

Huh?

Originally posted by FreakAccident
I dont get it? Why spend so much for a tcase with a 4:1 gearset in it? WHy not swap to a Toy 4.7 case and save $1300ish?

I think you forgot to put this::flipoff2: at the end of your post. Or I just really hope so.

Originally posted by FreakAccident
I dont get it? Why spend so much for a tcase with a 4:1 gearset in it? WHy not swap to a Toy 4.7 case and save $1300ish?

Because you cant twin stick turn with a Toy case, therfore making them worthless for competition. Thats why.

Ryan

Originally posted by FreakAccident


Huh?

Atlas you have

2WD Rear HI
4WD HI
2WD Rear LO
2WD Front LO
4WD LO
Neutral

Does your toyota TCase give you 2WD LO in the front end? how about 2WD LO in the rear end (not counting keeping your hubs turned out)

If you want to say a toy case is cheaper than the atlas for similar benefits. Than, the key benefits of the atlas must also be part of the Toy TCase otherwise it isn't a valid comparison.

Im not arguing Toy over Atlas. I am arguing cost justification for general use. 99% of Atlas owners will never compete and most will never use just FWD. When is your next competion anyway. :flipoff2:

You might be surprised... Once you have an Atlas you do use the twin stick alot, both front and rear, even if you don't compete. If you just go to the mall stick with your chain drive.:flipoff2:

Paul

Originally posted by RealJeep Man


Because you cant twin stick turn with a Toy case, therfore making them worthless for competition. Thats why.

Ryan

im not saying your not right,,,,,but how many of us use our rigs in competition? i dont and probably 90% of the other ppl on this board dont. im going to run a twin stick yota tcase in my 4.3 zuki. there simple,and cheap,and they work. i would love to have a atlas,,,,but there are things i need worse,,,,,like some shingles on my roof,,,,or more beer in the fridge:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :beer:

I'll gladly be the first to say...

GOT SPAM?!?!?!

Jesse- where is my shaft and ubolts I NEED them- I've been breaking parts like it's going out of style!!

Who said antyhing about competing to have the use for FWD only?

Up here there are lots of trails with really tight turns that cutting brakes, some throttle and FWD would help out on immensly.

Hey aggro you got the driveline right? and waiting now for the 32 spline kit from aa on back order - i bugged them yesterday- they said it should ship in a day or 2 -Jess

If you just go to the mall stick with your chain drive

Regular 21 spline Toy cases aren't chain drive.... My junk can't even drive to the mall right now much less out of the driveway. Springs are broke. :D Oh and no 4x4 until I get a new front shaft from Jess.


Because you cant twin stick turn with a Toy case, therfore making them worthless for competition

Tell that to the people who do very well in competitions with Toy tcases. Granted you make a very good point but stating they are worthless for competition isn't the right angle. I personally would rarely use these features.

There is no doubt in anyone's mind that the Atlas is the best tcase you can buy. Nothing compares to it for our application and I will never argue otherwise. My question was purely based on why people don't look for less costly alternatives. My question was answered.

I don't know I think it cost me $658 to go 4:1 & twin stick on my dana 300, course that was back before all these sales on the atlas were around...

Haven't broken it yet, but once I get the 39.5 or 42s on it I may been wishing I went with an atlas...but thats still a chunk of change!

Originally posted by m715
I don't know I think it cost me $658 to go 4:1 & twin stick on my dana 300, course that was back before all these sales on the atlas were around...

Haven't broken it yet, but once I get the 39.5 or 42s on it I may been wishing I went with an atlas...but thats still a chunk of change!

K.. but how much is a D300 tcase if you didn't already have it. Wasn't there also an upgraded output shaft for it? That would have to be included to get as close to the Atlas as possible to compare prices.

Add it up. You can buy a D300 for $100 if you look around. I think Jesse sells those 32 spline shafts for the D300. See what he thinks of them.

I do sell the 32 spline 300 kits - can't say from who- 339.00 $ Jess:D

Holy crap thats cheap. They were nearly $500 from this other place when I was looking awhile ago. I just want a driveshaft. I think I am going to hit the AA meetings for a few weeks to save some beer money to buy the driveshaft.

I'm just running a stock output on mine, I don't think they were making them 2.5-3 years ago? spares are cheap...

But I would agree if I was redoing it now I probably sway the way of the atlas...

100-200 - dana 300
? - D300 rebuild kit
650 - 4:1 gears
340 - 32 spline kit
025 - homebrew twin sticks
Plus a bunch of your time to put it together...

Originally posted by FreakAccident



There is no doubt in anyone's mind that the Atlas is the best tcase you can buy. I will never argue otherwise.


So what's the big deal??? Why would you waste money on anything but the best?

I never thought I would ever need twin sticks, but on my first trip with my Atlas, I was using them constantly.

I'm not arguing either way, but it does seem like a couple of you are in the dark abou the fact that there is a twin-stick out for the Toy geardriven t-case. It gives RWD low, but not FWD...

Toy prices:
$199 Twin Stick
$599 4.7 gears
$399 Double case adapter
$210 HD Input Shaft
$239 HD Output Shaft

Originally posted by TNToy
I'm not arguing either way, but it does seem like a couple of you are in the dark abou the fact that there is a twin-stick out for the Toy geardriven t-case. It gives RWD low, but not FWD...

Toy prices:
$199 Twin Stick
$599 4.7 gears
$399 Double case adapter
$210 HD Input Shaft
$239 HD Output Shaft

thats not really what I would call a twin stick then. if you don't get FWD only out of the deal. its not much better than a NP231 in that respect.

Still.. your talking $1600 or so. to me... at that point, you are getting so close to a Atlas price wise... why bother. Of course, you do get 4.7:1 gears with the Toy case.

what advantages(other thal the length factor) would an atlas have over a doubler set up

the reason I think doubler are
1.choice between stock 1.96 and doubled up
2.cheap 203 and 205(atleast for me)
3.kinda low cost for the doubler adapter

I guess I wanna here the sales pitch from the guys who have an atlas why you chose an Atlas?

Thanks Jason!

And you don't have to spend the $600 for the 4.7 gears. With twin cases at 2.28 and you'll get 5.2:1. With the 4.7 in the rear case you can bump up to 10.7:1. You'll have to spend another $100-$200 to get the second case, but for $1200 you're doing pretty good. Plus you get a nice longer front and shorter rear driveshafts.

Of course, this is for my Toy, my Heep is going Atlas. :flipoff2: