For my FFL07 app.

Does that mean I'm getting close, or that I have forever to wait, starting now? :confused:

It means the BATF is now poised to begin the rectal exam. Please bend over the table and try and relax. :D

Congrats Scott!

For my FFL07 app.

Does that mean I'm getting close, or that I have forever to wait, starting now? :confused:

It was couple of months after my check was cashed until they called to set up the interview. Actually, I had to call the local field office to get the ball rolling. Basically, after they cash your check, they send your paperwork to the licensing center. I assume they do some background work, then its sent to your local field office. After its at your local office, it has to be assigned to an inspector. Then, its up to that inspector to set up the interview. There are many links in the chain, so nailing down a timeline is difficult.
The NFA branch lost my SOT application after they cashed my check... So what should have been a few weeks is now going on 3 months. Something about they didn't get my paperwork from the bank? I think we have it straightened out now though. I would give it about 4 weeks, then call your local field office to make sure they have received your stuff and get the ball rolling on getting it assigned to an agent.


Edit: Oh, and congrats!

Something about they didn't get my paperwork from the bank? I think we have it straightened out now though.

Bank?

I formed a new LLC for this (filed with the state), got an EIN from the IRS, sent off the FFL app to ATF, but the LLC doesn't have a bank account (yet), as it's not yet doing any business. I didn't see anywhere for a bank to be involved in the process.

:confused:

Bank?

I formed a new LLC for this (filed with the state), got an EIN from the IRS, sent off the FFL app to ATF, but the LLC doesn't have a bank account (yet), as it's not yet doing any business. I didn't see anywhere for a bank to be involved in the process.

:confused:

Talking about the bank the ATF uses to cash the checks. Not your bank. I guess the bank cashes your check, then forwards the application to the licensing center. Or maybe they are supposed to let them know it cleared or something. All I know is the NFA branch claims that they never received my application from "the bank". I had to fax a copy of the application and a copy of my canceled check (front and back). She called from the NFA branch saying she located my payment "but never received any paperwork from the bank, sorry for the delay. We will enter you into the system today and will mail out the SOT on Wednesday."

At what point do you have to pay the fee to State? $2250 or something?

At what point do you have to pay the fee to State? $2250 or something?

:shaking::shaking:

An internet myth

i am still getting conflicting information on the itar fee and registration.

Scott,
Isent in my paperwork near the end of May. Had my interview in June, License in my hands prior to July 4th

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=588938

i am still getting conflicting information on the itar fee and registration.

Letter from the ATF, thats all I needed.

Letter from the ATF, thats all I needed.

Can you scan/post that?

So there is no fee to State to be a manufacturer? I was told this by a well known 07. I want to get my 06 or 07 so I can sell ammo. I have all my paperwork, just trying to figure out if I want to drop all the cash to get rolling. Right now I am looking at about 10k.

Letter from the ATF, thats all I needed.

the only problem with that is the atf has no control over itar, the state department does.

edit: i am not saying you do or don't need to register with the state department for itar. i really don't know. i would like to know but from the agency that enforces it, not an unrelated agency.

So there is no fee to state to be a manufacturer? I was told this by a well known 07. I want to get my 06 or 07 so I can sell ammo.

i am sure you are hearing about the itar fee/registration to the state department. i think the registration fee was around $2250/year. some people swear you need it no matter what and others say you don't need it if you are not exporting arms/arms parts.

i am sure you are hearing about the itar fee/registration to the state department. i think the registration fee was around $2250/year. some people swear you need it no matter what and others say you don't need it if you are not exporting arms/arms parts.
As I mentioned, a fairly well known small ammo manufacturer is telling me it is a must. I have to believe he would know?

As I mentioned, a fairly well known small ammo manufacturer is telling me it is a must. I have to believe he would know?

and then you could talk to another well known manufacture that will say you don't.

i have heard some people say that even something like a muzzle brake manufacture would need to register.

AFAIK, the ITAR fee has not been absolutely determined either way. As it is written, it could apply to a single bullet, or a missle. I personally know multiple 07s who are diametrically opposed on their convictions.

<-----is off to complete his paperwork. :grinpimp:

AFAIK, the ITAR fee has not been absolutely determined either way. As it is written, it could apply to a single bullet, or a missle. I personally know multiple 07s who are diametrically opposed on their convictions.

<-- Not shipping guns or gun parts internationally, not planning to register with ITAR.

AFAIK, the ITAR fee has not been absolutely determined either way. As it is written, it could apply to a single bullet, or a missle. I personally know multiple 07s who are diametrically opposed on their convictions.

I wish there was a straight forward answer to this. I have been too busy with other projects so I put off sending in the 07 paper work. Both the local and national ATF offices said you don't need it. I just get hung up on the wording of 122.1(a). Especially the part where is says "Manufactures who do not engage in exporting must nevertheless register". And the fact that they use "manufacturing or exporting" every time. I am afraid of them back taxing me 5 years from now with some huge penalty.

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/official_itar/ITAR_Part_122.pdf

<-- Not shipping guns or gun parts internationally, not planning to register with ITAR.

Neither is Pete. But Adam at Freakshow absolutely INSISTS he was told by federal agents that ITAR is absolutely necessary. He and a couple other 07s are extremely vocal about abiding by the regulations. And as I said, the regs can be interpreted wildly differently...

To be clear, I don't believe ITAR is intended to apply to us 07s selling inside the country. However, the phrasing like:

"All US manufacturers, exporters, and brokers of defense articles, defense services, or related technical data, as defined on the USML, are required to register with US Department of State."

And

"Employees of foreign persons holding Dual or Third Country Nationality from countries proscribed under ITAR 126.1, such as Vietnam, the Peoples Republic of China (“PRC”), North Korea, Syria and Iran, will, as a general rule, not be authorized to have access to USML items"

Seem to clearly indicate the transfer of even a pistol grip to an EMPLOYEE of a foreign national is a violation. Who checks the background and employer of every guy who wants a box of ammo?

But Adam at Freakshow ^^Who I was referring to previously.

23 years as 01-02-03-07 and never registered with ITAR, never had any issues, hundreds of meetings with BATFE over the years. So, why waste teh funds?

Neither is Pete. But Adam at Freakshow absolutely INSISTS he was told by federal agents that ITAR is absolutely necessary. He and a couple other 07s are extremely vocal about abiding by the regulations. And as I said, the regs can be interpreted wildly differently...


My problem with that is they never tell you "who" it was, just that they did. He's not the only one. I've read that same statement in many other threads. It would be nice to get it in writing but we need to be careful what we ask for.

I'd hate like hell to jammed up 5 yrs later for back fee's

Back fees are specifically named as one of the smallest penalties for not registering. Like I said, I don't know one way or the other, but I do know it would suck to get stuck with a (23 x $2500) $50k tab.

itar or whatever the hell it is will not be payed by me until I get a bill...

02/07

here is a post by someone on practical machinist regarding the itar registration. i wouldn't trust it as fact since it is someone i don't know's post on the internet but it is at least something to look into. http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1267836&postcount=16

I found a way around that. You need to submit a commodities jurisdiction request to determine if

A) you are a manufacturer AND
B) have no predominant civilian use AND
C) specifically designed for military use OR
D) is a threat to national security

If you aren't making military products and your products aren't a threat to national security and you aren't exporting, they aren't going to make you pay the ITAR, BUT you have to get a ruling for each and every product you make and give them the works (drawings, blueprints, cutaways, etc). I have done this and now don't have to do the ITAR bullcrap.


this poster had previously insisted that you need to register with itar and pay the $2k+/year fee if you had an 07 ffl or you would be sodomized with a broken beer bottle by the state department. to hear him change his tune on the subject, i think he may be on to something.

That guy is an ass!

I wouldn't call him an ass but that's just me. He and I have swapped some loading info in the past and I like him. Although I have seen him switch opinions a few times back and forth on a few boards.

Scott,
Isent in my paperwork near the end of May. Had my interview in June, License in my hands prior to July 4th

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=588938

I re-read this thread hoping to find this little nugget. I hope I have iine before the end of Feb.

Scott, have you had your interview scheduled yet?

I wouldn't call him an ass but that's just me. He and I have swapped some loading info in the past and I like him. Although I have seen him switch opinions a few times back and forth on a few boards.

My opinion is based upon his calguns group buys and the number of times I have had to fix things for some of his customers.

I re-read this thread hoping to find this little nugget. I hope I have iine before the end of Feb.

Scott, have you had your interview scheduled yet?

My interview happened in mid-December.

As I mentioned elsewhere, I dropped the ball on a town business license, wanting to make sure I had the FFL in hand before blowing more $$ on a business license, sales tax license, bank account, etc., and the local business license was something that ATF specifically wanted to see (they'd settle for verbal approval from the town planning coordinator, but she wasn't returning phone calls) in order to document that the business as intended, was legal.

So I put in the business license app that afternoon, and town issued it a day or two later... and waited until the 30th to mail it to me. Now I have it, and I get to fax it to ATF on Monday morning, and wait till the end of January (that's what my interviewer said to expect) or so to become all FFL official.

Further update: One week to the day from when I faxed them the copy of the town business license, my FFL07 shows up in the mail. Guess that's all they were waiting on. :laughing:

No 4473's to go with, bound books aren't here yet, state sales tax license is draggin' too, but the ATF license itself is here. Snafus R us. :rolleyes:

OK, when can I buy one of your AR-10 style lowers that use G3 mags?

I am still saving up for one of the unfinished units...if they are still available...