Who would come? First off, let's make a couple of assumptions.

*Most likely a man-made course

*Most likely a "Name" sanctioning body (and not the one everyone hates :D), with the same purse structure as "normal", as opposed to a new group.


Under those circumstances, who'd come to watch, who'd come to compete?

TEX

I'd come to watch for sure if I am not busy that weekend or something. Any ideas where it may be held if it happened? East, West, Central MO?

Originally posted by Bones
I'd come to watch for sure if I am not busy that weekend or something. Any ideas where it may be held if it happened? East, West, Central MO?

"Central" would be the most likely destination.


TEX

Originally posted by TEX


"Central" would be the most likely destination.


TEX
Count me in. I know of a few others that would be interested as well.

I can give you a list of names, around a mile long of spectators, and probably a list of at list 4 or 5 guys that would seriously tear chit up. I would include myself in comp, with my dads rig, but I am unsure how well it would do. Gotta try it to learn though!!! I think there are alot of people that would get more involved if there was something around KC/MO. You know how outta hand people around here are with the mud scene, if there was a rock scene it would be just as serious after a little expouser, look at dirt track racing in the area as well, how many weekend racers do you know? I know a shit ton of weekend racers, and mud freaks

Originally posted by Pdaddy
You know how outta hand people around here are with the mud scene, if there was a rock scene it would be just as serious after a little expouser, look at dirt track racing in the area as well, how many weekend racers do you know? I know a shit ton of weekend racers, and mud freaks

Yeah, it's funny 'cause the guys from Indiana & Michigan that come here to mud race with me are just stunned at how enthusiastic the crowds are. There's almost a reputation floating around that the mud racing crowds are better in MO than almost anywhere else (could be because so many of us here are INVOLVED in the sport I guess). Flip side is I put on a race in Illinois a couple weeks back & everyone just SAT there silent. Was like a funeral. The fact that it was in a "dry" county with no beer allowed could have had something to do with that though LOL.


TEX

i would go and so would alot of my buddys.

I would certainly spectate...I watched Cedar City for a few hours and found it VERY interesting. But less ya all start a new revolution of a fullsize class I am stuck ta spectating lol

BTW Ya Mo folks are hardcore with yr mudracing....I have run against a few of ya and ya all got sum dedication and nice equipment seldom seen in these parts.

NoRM

I'd probably be interested next year, depending on how my Jeep does at EROCC first.
By the way, what is the "normal" purse structure you refer to?
Chris

yeahhh im game................. whats the milage from missouri to pa?

Originally posted by GO 4LO
By the way, what is the "normal" purse structure you refer to?
Chris

Meaning we'd use what the sanctioning body currently uses (or rather, what they'd use in 2003 since we're obviously not talking about this year anymore). I'm not all that familiar with what the prize purse is at various sanctioning bodies. It isn't really well advertised. Suffice it to say, any sanctioning body worth bringing here would demand a decent purse of us, and we'd expect nothing less.

TEX

If you're talking sometime next spring, count me in as a participant. Hopefully my heap will be ready by then.

Originally posted by TEX
Flip side is I put on a race in Illinois a couple weeks back & everyone just SAT there silent. Was like a funeral. The fact that it was in a "dry" county with no beer allowed could have had something to do with that though LOL.


I was at that race and I think the announcer's speakers where so loud that no one thought that they could yell and scream any louder than him. Pretty bad when everyone in the crowd was buying earplugs for the loudness of the announcer and not the loudness of the trucks :D . We had 4 adults and 4 kids there and we all had a great time... Thanks for holding great events.....

--Kee
(Oh yeah, since we're on PBB and not MWJT) :flipoff2:

Originally posted by TEX

I'm not all that familiar with what the prize purse is at various sanctioning bodies.
TEX

Never mind, then - I thought you knew what you were talking about:D:D - jk:).
Chris

Originally posted by hardcore4wd.com
I was at that race and I think the announcer's speakers where so loud that no one thought that they could get louder than him.

Yeah, that was a problem. This is the first time we had that announcer with those speakers on the SPECTATOR side of the field. I honestly have no idea why we didn't plug into the PA that was available. I think that would have worked better. BTW, if we go back there next year, it is most likely that all but the two "rail" classes will be running side by side. I think there's room & it should make the show a bit more fun :)

TEX

Originally posted by GO 4LO


Never mind, then - I thought you knew what you were talking about:D:D - jk:).
Chris

I don't know schit when it comes to rocks, 'cept for how to wheel on them once they've been pulverized & mixed with water :D

TEX

That'd be cool... Definately make it more interesting (and probably get through classes faster too, right???).

Originally posted by TEX

BTW, if we go back there next year, it is most likely that all but the two "rail" classes will be running side by side. I think there's room & it should make the show a bit more fun :)

As far as the rockcrawling goes, is there a club that's lined up to volunteer and help with the event yet?

There are a few really good rigs up in MN that might enter, should be a few more by spring if everyones plans work out:D

Originally posted by TEX


I don't know schit when it comes to rocks, 'cept for how to wheel on them once they've been pulverized & mixed with water :D

TEX

LOL:D

Originally posted by hardcore4wd.com
That'd be cool... Definately make it more interesting (and probably get through classes faster too, right???).

Yeah, probably would go quicker since we ran everyone twice on one lane up there. This way, everyone would still run twice, but two at a time, so probably knock an hour or two out of the race.

As far as the rockcrawling goes, is there a club that's lined up to volunteer and help with the event yet?

Nope. We're strictly in the "what if" stages at this point. I've only very recently contacted the potential sanctioning body - they're interested :)

TEX

Been known to compete, for sure come and spectate!

I'll be there.

come and spectate thats for sure

DEFINITELY would make the trip there.

Count me in for a competition Spot, along with prob 4-5 others from South Dakota.

Too far to spectate, but I'd come to compete:D My junk gets closer to comp level every day.

Easy

Tex,
When you gonna come check out the rock scene with us Missouri Jeepers sometime?? We got an open seat just about any weekend for yah.

MoROC update: We now have 3 properties ok'd, insurance quotes from loyd's of london, and a list of over 200 people interested in spectating - almost 50 wanting to compete - about 30 willing to officiate.

This things gonna happen in spring, and its gonna be HUGE :D

Would be great to help you get some arena course stuff going at your events too :)

Nope, I would rather go west from my centeral Texas location.

Id come.

I would be down for something like this... Heck, if i ever get my junk back together, i might even give it a try. I could probably drag a half dozen or so down from Iowa...

Maybe we can get a group heading down. Could probably muster up a few from around here.

I dont think you will have a problem getting competitors or spectators as long as you do your homework on the schedule. You could count me in unless its on the same weekend as EROCC .... Are you gonna have an expeirenced rock crawler set the courses up ? or just place the cones werever and see what happens...

Count at least a dozen or so spectators at least and maybe some competitors depending on what you're classes are set up like. We run stricltly for fun and none of us are big enough for 44" tires and high dollar bolt ons but if we can drag our heaps in we could be interested. Its about time that we got some rocks in MO.

Hmmmmm,
If'n I ever get version 5.7 back together I might try competing. Gonna have classes for different levels? Only rocks I've ever run in were covered in mud.
I'd definately come to watch.

I'd be there for sure for spectating, possible competition (if the class structure works for me :) ), and would be willing to help out with planning and execution if you need. Hopefully I'll be back in Missouri within a month or so, but certainly by next spring.

chad

Tex, I'll compete- if you can make it vacation time friendly, sat and most of Sunday with Friday Pm and Sunday PM commute time. you won't get enough gate traffic on Fridays anyway.

I'd definitely be there to watch... might compete if I ever get my rig back together.. which I'm beginning to think will never happen...

On another thought... why not try something revolutionary and have some kind of class where us guys with 44s and Rockwells, etc.. (IE REALLY WIDE RIGS!) could compete and still have fun...

Sure we could go to the RCAA or anywhere else, and compete all day and tear chit up... but we wouldn't be competitive.... get what I'm sayin??? Just a thought!

Originally posted by JT
Tex,
When you gonna come check out the rock scene with us Missouri Jeepers sometime??

You know the saying, "one of these days". BTW, I'm an old school rock veteran in MO. I can remember taking 2 hours to traverse 150 yards in a boulder strewn Ozark creek bed back in the pre "Natural Streams Act" days ;)

Would be great to help you get some arena course stuff going at your events too :)

Thanks :)

TEX

Originally posted by fish
Are you gonna have an expeirenced rock crawler set the courses up ?

That's the plan. Experienced & respected.

TEX

Originally posted by scoutver5.7
Gonna have classes for different levels?

Yes.


TEX

Originally posted by TEX


That's the plan. Experienced & respected.

TEX GOOD DEAL:D Who would be sanctioning these events..

TX boys would be there thats for sure, well maybe I should finish my rig.:D

Originally posted by fish
GOOD DEAL:D Who would be sanctioning these events..

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you :p Seriously, this is all in the "what if" stages at this point. But, you can trust me when I say I'm talking to all the right people.

TEX

Originally posted by ScoutsHonor
On another thought... why not try something revolutionary and have some kind of class where us guys with 44s and Rockwells, etc.. (IE REALLY WIDE RIGS!) could compete and still have fun...

Ditto!
Chris

If you were able to have such a class (enough participants to make it viable) you'd have to require a min width- say 85" and up to keep you guys competitive. If you just made the gates wider you'd still get spanked (all else being equal) by the 75-80" wide guys. I'm not trying to talk smack- just my observations watching well built, well driven wide rigs in the rock comps.

A class for the wide rigs would give a lot more competitors to draw from, especially those nearby, and they usually bring plenty of gate traffic with them. I'm sure Tex realizes this already though.:D

Spousal unit and I would be interested in attending... Sounds like a good weekend of watching others break thier chit! :flipoff2:

Originally posted by G02Guy
A class for the wide rigs would give a lot more competitors to draw from, especially those nearby, and they usually bring plenty of gate traffic with them. I'm sure Tex realizes this already though.:D

Local competitors means local spectators, and that pays the bills. My theory is that local competitors put butts in the bleachers. SERIOUS competitors keep 'em there ;)


TEX

Originally posted by TEX


I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you :p Seriously, this is all in the "what if" stages at this point. But, you can trust me when I say I'm talking to all the right people.

TEX :cool: I understand its all top secret , sounds like you got it all under control. CANT WAIT:bounce2: :bounce:

We can bring several competitors and quite a few spectators from Des Moines. Several of us competed in Kremmling, CO this summer (4th place in legends) and would like something closer. Ditto on the Rockwells and 44's, though it would make it much easier for the Jeeps.

Central Iowa 4 Wheelers, Inc. (http://www.ci4wi.com)

Ive got at least 8 guys that I know would make it. Especially if it was in the Kansas City area.

We just held a Rock crawling/Tuff truck for our club and locals. It was a blast. It was the first one and jad a good turnout.

We are thinking of having one in the spring.

Check out pics on our sites :
Midwestcrawler goodtimes 4 wheelers offroad challenge (http://www.midwestcrawler.com)

We are always loking for help with finding mor rocks and bouldres,cement slabs etc.

TEX, no offense meant by this, but what are you doin' man?

It's already been made quite apparent that there is a group local to MO already working on a "MO rockcrawling deal."

I'm not playing favorites to them or you, but why come out and drum up interest for your own deal and risk stealing valuable resources from them ... and/or short yourself?

It doesn't make sense for two groups to butt heads in getting something going in MO ... you'll only spread the resources that much thinner. Plus, it just doesn't look good. To me, the sensible thing to do would be to work with the group that has already gotten the ball rolling.

If there is a valid reason to have two seperate bodies in MO, I'm more than happy to hear the rationale for it.

cm "not attacking ... just poignantly showing my curiosity" k

Bueler?

cmk

I don't want to speak for TEX, but I know he has a very good relationship with many of the people that are working on the MOROC thing. It wouldn't surprise me if he is lending his promotion skills to help get things off the ground, but I don't know.

Chad

I'd also have to say that Tex has a lot of different contacts through his mud events, and with those, he could easily find a place to hold these events, in the case that it is a man-made course.

I don't know how many of you have tried, but without any major land donors, it's kinda hard to get something like this off the ground. Most of the landowners contacted are worried about getting sued in case of an injury or what not. But, with all the mud racing events that Tex has run, I'm sure he has a lot of people that he could probably talk into donating land for a rock garden... just my guess though...

CMK- you make good points but at this point I'd say neither MO venue is a given or established. It's not who thinks of it first but who has something to show for it first. last I checked on the other guys there were a lot of unknowns and they could not decide amongst themselves if they were going to build courses for comp rigs or mall cruisers. No offense, but they are well intentioned people with a looong way to go.

Tex is an experienced promoter who might have a better shot at achieving the goal. Working together might be an admirable thing but sometimes it's just not possible due to different cultures about how things should be done

Chad, if that's the case, then I say "excellent." If that is the case, it wasn't made explicitly clear in his original post (maybe it was buried in one of the posts I didn't bother to read).

Go, I'm not viewing this as a competition between 2 organizers. My involvement in this issue is simply to see something come to fruition ... not to see one organizer "beat" another.

If TEX can add to this, I would like to hear his side of it.

cmk

also, the idea wasn't very well received from JT, mostly due to wording in his original post... He didn't make friends in his first post, mostly due to the wording that he had... It essentially was big talk with nothing to back it up to the guys he was posting to...

We both want to see something happen, just did not know why you were riding TEX for looking at the opportunity- it's a free country and I've seen him trying to help those guys on this board.

Last I knew they were not making big progress though.

PS- update us on the flipped 300 journey- sounds interesting. Are you going to use 4 bolts or do something about lining up the other two?

My first post in this thread was in no way meant to "ride" TEX. Short of being face to face with TEX, there is nary an eloquent way to ask why one is doing something. It was simply in excercise in "why."

D300: four bolts ... which four are you speaking of?

cmk

hmmmm......

If you get it together, you can count on a few from the 'big city' over here. Defintely some spectators, maybe even some competitors....

Sorry for the misunderstanding...

The 300 has a round 6 hole pattern based on 6 holes equally spaced, with one offset hole- about .100", so when you flip it over only 4 of the holes will line up to put a bolt in it. If there is room in your adapter, some people have solved this by slotting out two adapter holes the amount needed to get the bolts in. if there is no room in the adapter you can choose to live with 4 bolts or, plug weld, drill and tap the t-case or you could use a custom clocking ring to get the job done (I can help with that). sounds like you did not see that issue coming??

Ken- just trying to help a brutha out- Blume:D

Originally posted by cmk
TEX, no offense meant by this, but what are you doin' man?

It's already been made quite apparent that there is a group local to MO already working on a "MO rockcrawling deal."

I'm not playing favorites to them or you, but why come out and drum up interest for your own deal and risk stealing valuable resources from them ... and/or short yourself?

It doesn't make sense for two groups to butt heads in getting something going in MO ... you'll only spread the resources that much thinner. Plus, it just doesn't look good. To me, the sensible thing to do would be to work with the group that has already gotten the ball rolling.

If there is a valid reason to have two seperate bodies in MO, I'm more than happy to hear the rationale for it.

cm "not attacking ... just poignantly showing my curiosity" k

Sorry it took so long to get back to this. I'm laid off again & have a REALLY slow connection at home. Didn't realize this had been brought back to the top from a couple months ago.

Regarding this, I have no intention of starting my own sanctioning body. Rather, what I was hoping to do would be to hire an existing, recognized sanctioning body to produce such an event in conjunction with one of my mud races (same "facility", but adjacent "arena"). Should MoRoc be "established" by the time of said event, they'd obviously be ONE possibility.

I'd go into more detail with my idea, but at this point it appears that I will not be involved in any such undertaking anytime in the near future. Actually, my 2003 mud racing schedule is somewhat in jeopardy, so I have to concentrate on that for now & perhaps we can add rocks to an event in '04 or '05. I do think the potential for combined events is great & I hope to see more of them in the future.

But, I want it to be perfectly clear that I have no intention of ever starting my own rock crawling sanctioning body. I'm a firm believer in leaving things to the experts. And I am about as far from an expert in rocks as one could get :)

TEX

We want ROCK events around here!Someone needs to bring it to this area, come awn guys centrally located geographically plenty of local support whats the problem?

Originally posted by Pdaddy
We want ROCK events around here!Someone needs to bring it to this area, come awn guys centrally located geographically plenty of local support whats the problem?

I don't know where your at, but MOROC is happening, still lots to do, but it's almost for sure for next summer.

chad

For those of you wanting to know more about MoRoc...
Check here..MoRoc Meeting (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=88373&highlight=moroc)

We are currently planning on being able to rock n roll spring of 2003, the reality may be that it will be 2004, all depends on the work we get done at the meeting. It is December 7-8th in Potisi Mo, at the Sayers Brook Bison Ranch.

Anyone and everyone interested or wanting more info is welcome to come out.

We've got alot of info to go over, planning to be done, courses to be set, etc. So, there wont be much wheeling, but there is always the possibility of running a few trails.

We are currently looking at 3 locations in missouri, and the possibility of one in Arkansas and one in Oklahoma, but the majority will be centralized in Mo..

And this will be for the hardcore guys, not the mall cruisers..

Hope to see ya there..

Any questions can be emailed to me..

Da_rebels@inter-linc.net

Thanks,
RebelCJ7

TEX, thanks for the explanation. I now understand where you were goin' with that. Good luck with it all man !

cmk

Originally posted by Go2Guy
Sorry for the misunderstanding...

The 300 has a round 6 hole pattern ....

Ah ... yes. Luckily, I have an easy "solution" for that. It's probably the same "solution" you have ... CNC mill.

I may even have a buddy laze the adapter out for me so I can incorporate a tranny mount into it.

cm "5 hours over a lathe today alone" k

You wanna know more bout MOROC you say?
Well then be there.............
Just a lil reminder, its getting close to the meeting time.. Dont forget, December 7-8th at the Sayers Brook Bison Ranch.. MOROC is here!!!!


Looks like we will have a good turnout..

Here's some directions..

Basicaly find your way to Sullivan,MO or Potosi, Mo and ive got directions for you from there..

From SULLIVAN,MO :

Will be on Interstate I44, get off at the Sullivan exit (Walmart Super Center), Turn onto Highway 185 (towards Potosi-- coming from south will turn Right onto 185, coming from north will turn left onto 185), go approximately 35 miles, Turn RIGHT onto AA highway, go 7 miles, will go down a huge hill then on the crest of the next smaller hill you will see a sign that reads, "Sayers Brook Bison Ranch" (sign is on left) BUT you will need to turn RIGHT, go past several houses, acrossed a creek, will drive by several fields, and end up looking straight at a ranch house, will come to a tee in the road, take the road that goes betweem the shed and the house, drive passed the parking lot on the right and proceed up the hill, just before you get to a "grate" in the road, you will turn LEFT, it will take you to a large parking lot and a pavillion by the lake.. Its paved road all the way to the pavillion..

From POTOSI, MO :
You will turn RIGHT onto highway 8 at the Citgo station ( which is best place to gas up before the ranch), and right next to the citgo is a Super 8, the best place to stay there, will post phone number later.. Go through town on highway 8, Just after you get out of town you will cross a bridge, shortly after the bridge, you will turn right onto Highway 185, drive about 1 mile and turn LEFT onto Highway AA, drive for 7 miles, will go down a huge hill then on the crest of the next smaller hill you will see a sign that reads, "Sayers Brook Bison Ranch" (sign is on left) BUT you will need to turn RIGHT, go past several houses, acrossed a creek, will drive by several fields, and end up looking straight at a ranch house, will come to a tee in the road, take the road that goes betweem the shed and the house, drive passed the parking lot on the right and proceed up the hill, just before you get to a "grate" in the road, you will turn LEFT, it will take you to a large parking lot and a pavillion by the lake.. Its paved road all the way to the pavillion..

YMCA of the Ozarks - Trout Lodge (5 miles from Sayersbrook Bison Ranch)
Ph: (573) 438 2154
Web: YMCA of The Ozarks

Super 8 (10 miles from Sayersbrook Bison Ranch) **Cost wise this is best place to stay and w/in walking distance of several restaurants**
820 East High Street
Potosi, MO, 63664 US
Ph: (573) 438 8888


Hope to see all you there, an agenda will be posted shortly...
Will be some info being covered as well as riding a few trails and makring new trails..

Here is the agenda for the Meeting... All times are subject to change..

MOROC Agenda (December 7-8 2002)

Saturday December 7th (8:00 a.m. – 4:30 p.m.)

I. Signup session (9am – 10am)
A. Sign waiver
B. Fill out questionnaire
C. Fill out Voter Form
D. Pay Dues and fill out membership form if you want to be a charter member.
E. Purchase MoROC Shirts and stuff…
F. Buy Raffle Tickets and Dinner Tickets

II. What is MOROC (10am – 11am)
A. Explain every aspect of MoROC
1. Missouri Rock crawling and Off road Competition
2. Competition people and Event Officials
3. Media
4. Prizes and giveaways
5. Cash Awards and Trophies

III. Expectations (11am – 11:15am)
A. NO alcohol
B. NO drugs
C. NO horseplay
D. Good Sportsmanship

IV. Locations of competitions (11:15am – 11:30am)
A. Sayers Brook Bison Ranch
B. Disney, OK
C. Hot Springs, AR
D. ???

V. Rules of comps (11:30am – 11:45 am)
A. Will follow ERROC

VI. Questions and comments (11:45am – 12:00pm)

LUNCH (12:00 – 1:00)

VII. How can I help? (1:00pm – 1:30 pm)
A. Officer/BOD
B. Competing
C. Trail building
D. Officiating
E. Reporting

VIII. Planning Trail building weekends (1:30pm – 2:00pm)
IX. Scheduling of meetings (2pm – 2:30pm)
X. Quick Tour of Bison Ranch (2:30pm – 4:15pm)
XI. Questions and comments (4:15pm – 4:30pm)

Sunday, December 8th (8:00 a.m. – 4:30 p.m.)

XII. Welcome (8am – 9am)
A. Check for newcomers
XIII. Overview of Saturday (9am – 10:45am)
A. Take new comers aside and go over all info from Saturday.
B. Those that were here on Saturday will run trails
XIV. Questions and or comments (10:45am – 11am)

LUNCH (11:00am – 12:00pm)

XV. Trail Run (12pm – 2 pm)
A. Divide in 2-3 groups and run some of the harder trails
XVI. Trail Scouting/Marking (2pm – 4pm)
A. One group scout trails
B. One group mark trails that have been scouted
XVII. Meet back at Pavilion (4:00 pm)
XVIII. Questions and comments (4pm – 4:30pm)
A. Remind of next meeting/trail building date

heellll ya I'd be there!
Jake

BTT... dont forget...

Were gonna have a huge turnout.. so showup, be one the first in on MoRoc...