Marines Release New Alternative 6 for Twentynine Palms Proposed Base Expansion

For Press Release and Map go to: http://pfjv.org/

The Partnership For Johnson Valley will issue a statement on the latest revision "6" after it's review of the new map.

In a brief statement, Chairman Harry Baker said that he is disappointed to see that none of the area to the east of the base was included, and again, it is the recreation lands and those lands that border the communities that are targeted.

[Brief Description of new proposed Alternative 6]

Proposed 29Palms Training Land/Airspace Acquisition Project
Project Description Paper Number 5 – November 2009
Alternative 6 (West/South)
About 140,000 acres west/19,000 acres south
Maneuver would start from the east on the
current MCAGCC base and the south
study area, and the MEB battalions would
converge on an objective in the west study
area.

No dud-producing ordnance use in 40,000
acres in the south of the west
study area; this 40,000 acres would be open
for public use when MEB training not
required.
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About The Partnership for Johnson Valley: The leadership of the Partnership For Johnson Valley has been cooperatively working with the military and the affected Stakeholders in an effort to explore alternatives to the proposed land expansion. The PFJV is a division of the 501(c)3 California Trail Users Coalition. The Mission of the Partnership is to unite the many people who enjoy the diverse activities available in the multiple-use open access area of Johnson Valley. The Partnership’s charter is to promote responsible recreation and the use of desert resources through conservation and education. The goal of the Partnership is to ensure public open-access to the area in the present, and for future generations who Live, Work, and Recreate in Johnson Valley. For more information and updates, please visit www.PFJV.org
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If you would like to donate to the Partnership, please send a check or money order in care of:

Partnership For Johnson Valley
3550 Foothill Blvd.
Glendale CA 91214

Paypal link
http://www.pfjv.org/donations_needed.htm

:shaking:

I have zero faith in the people running this country any more and the even the "military politicians" of today follow the same tact as every other damn politician.

What is our next step???

New map:

Here is a higher resolution map of the new Alternative 6

http://www.pfjv.org/alt6%20PDF.pdf

Helen Baker
www.pfjv.org

New map:

I don't know why but that link will not work for me. Got the same link in my email earlier and didn't work then either

I don't know why but that link will not work for me. Got the same link in my email earlier and didn't work then either


Works for me. It's a .pdf file, do you have an Adobe reader on your computer?

Maybe right click and save and open with Adobe?

It puts the Hartwell Hills(Hammers) in the restricted public access area. These guys didn't get the message.

I tried a different browser and it works for me now (was using Firefox). Attached, in case anyone else is having trouble. Don't know if I'm reading the map correctly or not, but looks like the majority of JV OHV would be closed to public, and a small piece is restricted access??:eek: Looks like some, if not all of Hammers trails are still in restricted area - but again, I don't know if I'm seeing it correctly.

So what is the next step for us?

It puts the Hartwell Hills(Hammers) in the restricted public access area. These guys didn't get the message.

They got the message, they just don't give a fuck:rolleyes:

Looks like some, if not all of Hammers trails are still in restricted area - but again, I don't know if I'm seeing it correctly.

So what is the next step for us?

You are reading that correctly. I'm not sure what the next step is at this point. I suppose since this is a new option that it will be need to have public input just like the rest of the options.



They got the message, they just don't give a fuck:rolleyes:

I think you are also reading this correctly :mad3:

I suppose since this is a new option that it will be need to have public input just like the rest of the options.

Don't get me wrong here, I will ALWAYS particpate in the public process of these things when it comes to closures...


But I am REALLY getting miffed becuase of how Eric elquently put it:


they just don't give a fuck:rolleyes:

Look at Tellico where they said they would "listen" to the public comments :shaking: It's pretty evident the Forest Sup in that case made the decision way ahead of time....

Since we can"t seem to generate enough funds to our Orgs to sue everyone, I think we need to start changing our tactics and play dirty.

I know everyone thinks I am a nutcase for pushing the "religous" and "Sacred lands" angle, but I really think we should persue it in some way.

Don't get me wrong here, I will ALWAYS particpate in the public process of these things when it comes to closures...


But I am REALLY getting miffed becuase of how Eric elquently put it:




Look at Tellico where they said they would "listen" to the public comments :shaking: It's pretty evident the Forest Sup in that case made the decision way ahead of time....

Since we can"t seem to generate enough funds to our Orgs to sue everyone, I think we need to start changing our tactics and play dirty.

I know everyone thinks I am a nutcase for pushing the "religous" and "Sacred lands" angle, but I really think we should persue it in some way.

X2 on the change of tactics Kurt. IMO this new version is just a way for the government to say: "look we gave you 44,000 acres for 350 days of the year, be happy." :mad3:

My read of the map is the Hammers are in the restricted area for limited use, but the rest of Johnson and Lucerne Valley will be closed. No more Cougar Buttes, Camp Rock Road, and some of the only smooth roads out there for desert and m/c racing will all be shut down. :mad3:


Edit: Thanks Helen & Harry and PFJV for staying on top of this. :)

I know everyone thinks I am a nutcase for pushing the "religous" and "Sacred lands" angle, but I really think we should persue it in some way.

I like it. Seriously. Here are some quick links pertaining to starting a religion:

http://www.apath.org/creating_religion.html
http://www.ehow.com/how_2067907_start-religion.html
http://www.pantheism.net/paul/index.htm

How's this for nutcase:
We would just need to base it around worshipping in the Temple of the Earth or communing with the Power of the Earth. Great God Deserticus or something? Just throwing out ideas... We could go ahead and pick some holy days - I would think KOH and the Jambo would be good holy days to start with. Maybe come up with some religious bylaws? Choose a way of communing with the dead - which are reincarnated as boulders in the desert or sections of trail? I bet this could build pretty quickly if we got it going in chitchat - who wouldn't want to be a part of a new religion??

Damn, this almost makes me want to head out there right now and have a good ol' peote-fueled spiritual experience:eek:

Maybe Billavista could do a Bible writeup for us - different chapters could be named after the trails out there, aka Full of Love, Full of Hate and assign meaning to areas like Valley of the Kings etc.:smokin::D

It is known as the "Mecca" of rock crawling.:grinpimp:

I would be down for creating some kind of church/sect logo:grinpimp:

Here is the thread I posted up maybe a year ago on The Church of the Rock:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=726678



In a nutshell:

http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/housing/housing_rluipa2.php

§2000cc. Protection of land use as religious exercise

(1) Equal terms
No government shall impose or implement a land use regulation in a manner that treats a religious assembly or institution on less than equal terms with a nonreligious assembly or institution.

(2) Nondiscrimination
No government shall impose or implement a land use regulation that discriminates against any assembly or institution on the basis of religion or religious denomination.


(3) Exclusions and limits

No government shall impose or implement a land use regulation that—

(A) totally excludes religious assemblies from a jurisdiction; or

(B) unreasonably limits religious assemblies, institutions, or structures within a jurisdiction.


Seriously, wheeling and camping for me is WAY more than a hobby. Maybe even more than a lifestyle...it's damned near, IF NOT, a religion.

If we proclaim JV as "sacred" ground to our culture, who knows?

It is known as the "Mecca" of rock crawling.:grinpimp:

On a side note...

How long has JV been called that by folks?

I came up with that for the Virt rally, so I was kinda wondering if (well, hoping) it was me that coined the phrase. :grinpimp::laughing:

No more Cougar Buttes, Camp Rock Road

I finally had a chance to study this map a little more. In this Alt 6 map, the North/West corner has actually been pulled South/East more than it was in Alt 1/4/5.

I have loosly marked the Alt 1, 4 & 5 bounders with the solid blue line. The dashed blue line is Camp Rock Road.

If I have this wrong, please feel free to correct me :homer:

I have loosly marked the Alt 1, 4 & 5 bounders with the solid blue line. The dashed blue line is Camp Rock Road.


You are correct, The map alternative gives the appearance the base will
expand to Camp Rock, Not the case, it stops at the power corridor
that cuts though JV diagonally ...as does Camp Rock.

We still would have Anderson and Cougars.

So there still would a bit of open area left, but not left much to run competitive
events on at the west end.

Not quite what we had hoped for :shaking:

Wayne

Who's got the latest on this? Heard there may be a final decision and it's pretty grim, but would like some facts rather than second hand info.

Who's got the latest on this? Heard there may be a final decision and it's pretty grim, but would like some facts rather than second hand info.

What you see here is the latest. My feelings are that Alt 6 is the Marines preferred Alt at this point. Officially, there is no "final decision" yet.

Ok good (I guess), from what I heard 6 was the final official decision.