i know every one hates revolvers , but i know somebody is running a set , so lets me se you pics of you revolvers in action, thanks,
man i know im going to get a beating for this one !!

Originally posted by NJcrawler
pic of Revolvers at work

That would be an oxymoron :D

Maybe I'm getting ready to be flamed, but Ive seen revolvers work in a spring under setup, spring over, maybe they don't work that great, but Ive seen them work well in spring under setups. Im planning on using them :flipoff2:
Scott

i made a set about 4 years ago and i ran them on my sua cj for that period of time. I loved mine, although they didnt have any of the bad happenings as the revolvers did.

Mine never unloaded and they where locking for the road.
So they never opened up unless I wanted them too.

I did pretty much all of moab with out a locker front or rear.

Now that i am soa, i dont really know how they are going to do.

but their on there.

the otter says"build a real suspenison and u wont need any gizmo and gadgets leave that shit to the inspector"

My little gizmo, gadgets walked all over most of the rigs I went to moab with, I was only running 32's sx's at the time with no lockers.

If your sua and looking to increase travel they'll work, but at a cost. The real revolvers have a tendency to unload after your spring rebounds. I have never had that problem with my homade set.

I never had issues with hills either like some of the others with revolvers do.

mine worked and worked well, With my spring spacing being so close in the back I dont need them for trail driving and I leave them locked.

Only when I do the poser RTI's is when they really shine.

They barely open up at full stuffage now with the soa.

maybe if you SUA dosent flex worth a shit Revolvers might be a good idea, but for anything else, I think they blow;)

Actually my sua flexed rather well.
On the rti I ramped a 600 on a 23 deg ramp.


but your right, if you have a stiffy.............sua Suspension they'll do the job.

mine does not flex very good, but, im still sua becase of $$ i got the revolvers for only $80 so .,
the real Question was does any one have pictures of them working ?

ttt

I do somwhere i got to find them

Don't forget the longer travel shocks you need for the revolvers to work fully, don't forget the spare driveshafts because of what they'll help to break, and don't forget the trash bag to put them in when you're done.

I've got a real cool video clip of revolvers at work. Sorry I don't have a way to upload it. It's from the SOJA video for the 2nd ERoCC event. Shows a guy with revolvers on a steep climb trying to get moving. Those revolvers work real well, open - slap closed - open - slap closed - open - slap closed - snap rear driveshaft :laughing: He broke 6 rear driveshaft u-joints that event :laughing:

Originally posted by "D"
i made a set about 4 ago

You got pics of those?

well all i can say is they dont work too well with the skinny pedal up steep climbs(picture of sammy with them at cal rocs later) ;)

let me know if you can see the attached file.

Originally posted by newt
let me know if you can see the attached file.

uh no

try to put that link up agian

why not just buy a locker, since we KNOW those work...the revolvers work i guess, but they sure are controversial and expensive (revolvers+shocks=locker)


Hunter

Here is a pic of mine opening up. They work great for sua and unlocked. I will be pulling them off this spring when I go SOA. Also, if you have a locker don't bother getting them becuase at that point who cares if you lift a wheel.

http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/albums/astape/aao.sized.jpg

I've posted this before, but I'll say it again:

I've used revolvers, and now I'm SOA. So I have a bit of direct experience. To me personally, it's not a matter of whether they work or not - clearly to me they did work to increase flex, at least that is my experience, when compared to the same rig running the same SUA springs. This, I believe, was their original intent. They have a number of drawbacks, most notably snapping open and closed when making steep climbs. The bottom line to me personally was that although they do work as designed, they simply do not work AS WELL as the better alternatives - namely, straight SOA. My rig is now straight SOA (got rid of the PITA shackle reversal) on waggy springs, works WAY better than it did SUA with revolvers. Is ultimate (ramp) flex better? I'm not sure, never measured it, but to me it does not matter, because the flex I do have is much more controlled, with less 'pitching' of the rig, more power actually gets to the ground, and the flex is more even front to rear, leading to a more flat, stable rig.

To me if you had a scale of how well a suspension works in the rocks and other trails that require flex, you'd have straight SUA on one end, SOA towards the other end, and SUA revolvers somwhere in the middle, although closer to the SUA end - does this make sense? To me, based on my personal experience, it's never been a matter of them simply NOT working, it's always been a matter of the availablility of a cheap, simple method (SOA) of something that works much BETTER.

Then of course there are other things like coil overs and such which work much better than SOA when designed right, but increase the cost and complexity several orders of magnitude, IMHO.

Originally posted by bigdude

I've got a real cool video clip of revolvers at work. Sorry I don't have a way to upload it. It's from the SOJA video for the 2nd ERoCC event. Shows a guy with revolvers on a steep climb trying to get moving. Those revolvers work real well, open - slap closed - open - slap closed - open - slap closed - snap rear driveshaft :laughing: He broke 6 rear driveshaft u-joints that event :laughing:

Bigdude, if you let me know what that was, I can make a quicktime clip of it for you. We see so many driveshafts snap they all seem the same. :D

Originally posted by DE Jeeper
Here is a pic of mine opening up. They work great for sua and unlocked. I will be pulling them off this spring when I go SOA. Also, if you have a locker don't bother getting them becuase at that point who cares if you lift a wheel.

http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/albums/astape/aao.sized.jpg

I have wheeled with Aaron, and his shit does work. I think it is more his gray matter between the ears that allows him to pick good lines though.

Originally posted by zachv


I have wheeled with Aaron, and his shit does work. I think it is more his gray matter between the ears that allows him to pick good lines though.

Auhhhh, shucks....your embarressing me.:emb3:

Originally posted by DE Jeeper


Auhhhh, shucks....your embarressing me.:emb3:

Dont let his head get any bigger..please...any more and he'll have to add a room to his house for it. :p

Well it's not just about the droop you get, my revolvers allow the suspension to twist up. I originally got them when I had brick of lift, but now have a BDS (which are very soft) and it's even better. I say to each his own.

Bigdude, explained there performance perfectly.

I have ran them in nearly every configuration you can imagine, and I have ran them with an open mind, in an attempt to find a way to let them improve different suspensions that I have ran.
In short, they truly suck.
But more specificaly,..the steeper you go, the more you will hate them.

But like the previous post said,.."to each his own", its not my money, so you can waist it wherever you choose.

I just hate it when someone is running them in front of me on tough trails like Jack hammer or wrecking ball. The trails are narrow and it takes forever to find a way around their weak and struggeling Jeeps.

Originally posted by SOJA Productions


Bigdude, if you let me know what that was, I can make a quicktime clip of it for you. We see so many driveshafts snap they all seem the same. :D

FUCK YEAH!!! It'll finally be some concrete video showing exactly what we are talking about. Then we can avoid this shit once a month when this comes up and just show the video.

The clip in question is from the July event on the 1st obstacle, day 1, called Full Throttle. It was the obstacle that only 1 guy on the first day made and it broke the first 6 people who tried it. The Jeep was Jack Bettio's legends rig. You guys got a perfect side shot of the rig trying to climb that first rock and you can see the revolvers slapping clear as day.

You have got to post that up where we can down load it for reference.

You can see pictures of mine at www.lavenderbrothers.com Its the red CJ7. I've only got the revolvers at the rear and they are with spring-over stock waggy springs and I have a Sam's traction bar. So far they have worked well in this configuration, but I haven't pushed them really verticle yet.

Here is a pic of a FSJ with revolvers in the rear.
http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v0/1/17/14/49111714XesvOp_ph.jpg
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/fda59052/bc/Jeep/Rockjeep44.jpg?bchEzw9ANc0DjbY6

Originally posted by ricochet
Well it's not just about the droop you get, my revolvers allow the suspension to twist up. I originally got them when I had brick of lift, but now have a BDS (which are very soft) and it's even better. I say to each his own.

GET OFF OF HERE YOU FAWKIN' NEWBIE:flipoff2: :flipoff2:
GO BACK TO ORC:D



For all you that think I am a jerk for posting that you must know that this "ricochet" guy is the VP of our club and we all love him in a goat kind of way;) Baaaaaaa

Revolvers are bad? I thought they were pretty reliable... OH! You mean them suspension thingies...
I've no personal experience with them, but here's a thread w/ a picture for ya:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85159

"D"
23 degree ramps are for sissys, I can ramp 840 on a 30 degree.

never needed a revolver after i slaped in coils.

do they make revolvers , for the Front and the rear Different?
i just got a set and im having a heck of a time getting them on the rear,, i dont know WTF is wrong

Originally posted by NJcrawler
do they make revolvers , for the Front and the rear Different?
i just got a set and im having a heck of a time getting them on the rear,, i dont know WTF is wrong

Get off this site and go directly to JU.

could i double up a set a of revolvers to get even more flex...HA

Originally posted by OTTERGONEJPN
could i double up a set a of revolvers to get even more flex...HA

Screw that, just locate the axle with some 12ga. speaker wire

Anyone make a shacke with the twist part of the Revolver without the hinge? I'd like a set of those :D

All Pro has johnny joint shackles, that allow for twist.

Originally posted by LAME
All Pro has johnny joint shackles, that allow for twist.

You're an all pro groupie :flipoff2:

If you just leave the bushings out it allows for twist :D

Originally posted by bigdude


You're an all pro groupie :flipoff2:

If you just leave the bushings out it allows for twist :D

Fawk, I have been caught:eek:

Hang out with too many Toyota clowns that can't do anything if it isn't a bolt-on mod:rolleyes:


:flipoff2:

Mine have been great and relaible for the past seasons. Here are some flex pics I took a while back.

I have yet to see them open up when I wasn't expecting it.

http://community.webshots.com/album/43104395JdnvjB

I run mine with soft spring packs and an anti wrap bar and they work fine.

http://www.ramseyoffroad.com/FM_50.jpg

I run a SUA and did quite a bit of searching around for ways to get better flex- Revolvers, Hypershackles, double shackles, triple shackles, spring perches on sliding gizmos, etc. I finally came to the conclusion that the disadvantages to these far outweight the benefits of a well thought out suspension, particularly on daily drivers. I finally added about an inch and a quarter to my shackle length and my arched springs were able to travel further, without compromising stability. If these things were so great, I would think that more guys would run them, and the love/hate relationship wouldn't be so heated. I've seen alot of different kinds of rigs out on the trails, and the ones I've seen running revolvers were no better off than those who had a well thought out suspension. I wonder why CALROCS doesn't allow them for competition- an unfair advantage? No, I think it's a safety issue... Stay away from gizmos, think it through, and you'll be better off in the long run. There's my 2 sense... blast away!

Here is a good reason not to use them on a shackle reversed front end. The front end just basically fell out of the front. I personally think the rear does the same thing, but thats just my opinion. I had to learn my lesson on all this extra flex gimmics too.

Originally posted by LAME


Screw that, just locate the axle with some 12ga. speaker wire

12ga?! That sounds like overkill. why not just use a muffler hanger? the rubber portion of the hanger would reduce road noise and twist for some killer flex.

Originally posted by Erik D_lux
The front end just basically fell out of the front.


:confused: do you mean the front ds pulled out, or am I missing something?

Originally posted by JohnnyJ

:confused: do you mean the front ds pulled out, or am I missing something?

No just walked under itself resulting in zero traction.

Just out of curiosity, what is Curt Hildebrant (sp?) running these days? Isn't he the revolver guy? And didn't he do quite well in one of the series? I'm not trying to build up the revolvers, you can see from my previous post that I think straight SOA works better, I'm just wondering how his rig is set up, haven't seen any recent pictures. At one time he had revolvers, then that 'Z Box' thing, and at another time he was working on some gizmo that replaced the shackle and was the shock and shackle built into one unit, who knows what he is working on now? Gotta give the guy credit for trying stuff.

Originally posted by Erik D_lux
Here is a good reason not to use them on a shackle reversed front end. The front end just basically fell out of the front. I personally think the rear does the same thing, but thats just my opinion. I had to learn my lesson on all this extra flex gimmics too.

Hey, somepeople go through a lot of work to extend their wheelbase :flipoff2:

i have a pair of revolvers for sale, $90. i am going quarter elliptic right now. the shackles are a year old(if that really matters)

Did you guys notice that all of the guys running the revolvers are Frickin Newbie:flipoff2: .Go back to JU do not pass go, do not colect $200!!!!Revolvers Suck!!!!!!

Originally posted by JEEPRZ


Hey, somepeople go through a lot of work to extend their wheelbase :flipoff2:

Yeah I guess you could say mine is adjustable :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by blazin
Did you guys notice that all of the guys running the revolvers are Frickin Newbie:flipoff2: .Go back to JU do not pass go, do not colect $200!!!!Revolvers Suck!!!!!!


Thats about the size of it.
I can basicly tell, just how steep a guy can/ or is willing to go with his rig, by how pleased he is with his revolvers. All it takes is to drag them one time through a real trail, running the steep lines, and the revolvers are retired to the scrap parts pile.
Ive taken several drivers on runs up through the hammers, and had them willing to swap to a set of straight shackles at the 1st repair or lunch break. I have even let fellow TIN:skull:BENDERS, borrow one of my sets of revolvers, only to have them handed back to me before the end of the trail.
They are a Joke!
But they have been marketed to the Magazine Wheelers with better success than the Pet Rock.
I really get a good laugh, when the dirvers have them installed with their stock shock configuration, and are honking it up at trail registrations about how well they travel, just because they open up when no load is on the tire.....WHATEVER!!!:rolleyes:

same thing with double shackles. was watchin a sami at cal rocs just havin to beat his rig cause the axles were just floppin around underneath it and wrappin up like a bitch.

flex gimmicks :barf:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by H8monday
[B]


Thats about the size of it.
I can basicly tell, just how steep a guy can/ or is willing to go with his rig, by how pleased he is with his revolvers.

lol.....lol...you should have your own psychic hot line!!

Originally posted by coiledcj7
"D"
23 degree ramps are for sissys, I can ramp 840 on a 30 degree.

never needed a revolver after i slaped in coils.

Sorry bud, i still got you beat. I ramped a 875 on a 30 at our clubs last jeep show.

But its ok. I still like you. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by "D"


Sorry bud, i still got you beat. I ramped a 875 on a 30 at our clubs last jeep show.

Wow, you're the MAN!!! :shaking:

I haven't had to winch on a trail and I haven't broke anything. One day I'll all grow some nuts and take on a ramp :eek:

Sorry, I got to involved in your sig, what did you say?

I never said the ramp had any signifacance.

But when a coiled jeep flexes enough for the coil to become loose in the bucket, it just the same as a revolver correct?

Basicly the axle is just hanging there.


I dont know if it was just my cj5 or what but when I was sua,
my handmade shackles worked.

As it is now with the soa and lockers, I dont have to use them.

Originally posted by "D"
Sorry, I got to involved in your sig, what did you say?



Pretty cool huh :flipoff2:

Couldn't resist!!Another picture of revolvers not working and overall "sucking"http://www.ramseyoffroad.com/FM_34.jpg

Originally posted by jeepmauler
Couldn't resist!!Another picture of revolvers not working and overall "sucking"
Is the rig flexing somewhere I'm missing? :confused:

Cause it looks like it's pretty much parked there. I believe H8 would refer to that particular spot as "paved". ;)

Originally posted by TNToy

Is the rig flexing somewhere I'm missing? :confused:

Cause it looks like it's pretty much parked there. I believe H8 would refer to that particular spot as "paved". ;)

well the shackle is opened up to about a foot long if you look closely... not that it is accomplishing anything though...

can you girls formulate you're own opinions or do you just puke back out what ever H8 tells you is cool or not cool?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that right frount about a foot off the ground?

Originally posted by jeepmauler
can you girls formulate you're own opinions or do you just puke back out what ever H8 tells you is cool or not cool?

Exactly! We all have yellow and red rigs:flipoff2: It's the coooolllest:D

Originally posted by jeepmauler
can you girls formulate you're own opinions or do you just puke back out what ever H8 tells you is cool or not cool?

I had them on my Jeep for 1 trip. Got real vertical, and sure as shit, H8 was right on with what would happen :idea: Learn from the experiences of others so you don't repeat their failures.

Revolvers are NOT COOL, neither are you :flipoff2: (nice homepage dumbass)

Any word on the video from SOJA of Bettio's rig with those things slapping away??? Might help to quiet some of newbie whinning on these things.

Originally posted by bigdude


I had them on my Jeep for 1 trip. Got real vertical, and sure as shit, H8 was right on with what would happen :idea: Learn from the experiences of others so you don't repeat their failures.


Thats junk info, I want to know how they do on the ramp:flipoff2:

Originally posted by LAME


Thats junk info, I want to know how they do on the ramp:flipoff2:

ROTFLMAO

rkcrawl- He was supposed to work on it and have the clip this week. We need a place to host it also, can we use your site???? Would ask Mike but he already left for the Supercrawl. I'll email SOJA and ask about the time.

Originally posted by jeepmauler
Couldn't resist!!Another picture of revolvers not working and overall "sucking"http://www.ramseyoffroad.com/FM_34.jpg

Doesn't it look as if the rear bumper is hanging on the rock and the axle is hanging by the shackle :rolleyes: , those shackles are worthless crap. I used a homemade set for a short time and like the newbies, thought they where cool and didn't want to admit that I had wasted my time making them, at least I didn't spend money to buy them.

Originally posted by jeepmauler
can you girls formulate you're own opinions or do you just puke back out what ever H8 tells you is cool or not cool?
We'll get back to you. He's not responding to my PMs.

I merely mentioned his name since he seems to be the one doing most of the experience-related bashing of revolvers.

Although I have to say, that is one of the few pictures of a set of revolvers I've seen that isn't attached to a YJ full of chrome bolt-ons. Gotta give a little respect for that. ;)

The only thing revolvers are good for is rotating the pinion sky high and nuking u-joints.:rolleyes:

Has anyone had bad experiances with the revolvers while using a traction bar (Sam's style for example)? I'm still running mine (at the rear only w/ traction bar & spring over), but I'm looking out for the unloading or slapping that others have described. I haven't had any problems yet. I would think that the traction bar would control the revolvers the same way it prohibits spring wrap. If the traction bar does its job, the pinion angle should be almost constant, right? PLease explain (small words and pictures are helpful).

Flame suit is on, so fire away! I had revolvers for a couple of years on my Nissan Xterra http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid31/pdc912362ffd3354401c521e14d7d3e9a/fd4af797.jpg and although I agree it is poor competition to a properly set up vehicle, the Xterra was limited in options. It had a lousy LSD and any help keeping the tires down, helped the X overall.
I have a Rubicon now and all that is immaterial now but Kurt Hilderbrand was a good guy and I liked the Revolver in that application and still do.
So, yes, its a good product in certain applications.

I wouldn't place them on a serious Jeep however.

I know its coming.....so let her rip! :flipoff2: :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

The guy I am referencing from the video clip runs a wish bone trac-bar. A trac bar doesn't stop an axle from drooping (which is what happens when revolvers start to slap).

Originally posted by jeepmauler
can you girls formulate you're own opinions or do you just puke back out what ever H8 tells you is cool or not cool?

Bwahahahaha! http://www.plauder-smilies.de/happy/roflmao.gif

Originally posted by newt
Has anyone had bad experiances with the revolvers while using a traction bar (Sam's style for example)? I'm still running mine (at the rear only w/ traction bar & spring over), but I'm looking out for the unloading or slapping that others have described. I haven't had any problems yet. I would think that the traction bar would control the revolvers the same way it prohibits spring wrap. If the traction bar does its job, the pinion angle should be almost constant, right? PLease explain (small words and pictures are helpful).

I dont have sams style trac bar but somthing I would consider equal if not better. My problem was not with spring wrap it was with the axle walking under the rig, like in the picture I posted. This happend on the front and the rear.

Originally posted by newt
Has anyone had bad experiances with the revolvers while using a traction bar (Sam's style for example)? I'm still running mine (at the rear only w/ traction bar & spring over), but I'm looking out for the unloading or slapping that others have described. I haven't had any problems yet. I would think that the traction bar would control the revolvers the same way it prohibits spring wrap. If the traction bar does its job, the pinion angle should be almost constant, right? PLease explain (small words and pictures are helpful).


I have tried them in the Box, I have tried them with a Fox.
I have tried them with a Goat, I have tried them with full Float.
Ive tried them with many drive train, I have tried them in the rain.
I dont not think they'er worth a damn,..I do not like them Sam I am! :flipoff2:

Originally posted by H8monday



I have tried them in the Box, I have tried them with a Fox.
I have tried them with a :bender: , I have tried them with full Float.
Ive tried them with many drive train, I have tried them in the rain.
I dont not think they'er worth a damn,..I do not like them Sam I am! :flipoff2:

what you ment to say

:D :flipoff2:

Originally posted by H8monday



I have tried them in the Box, I have tried them with a Fox.
I have tried them with a Goat, I have tried them with full Float.
Ive tried them with many drive train, I have tried them in the rain.
I dont not think they'er worth a damn,..I do not like them Sam I am! :flipoff2:


I bet you sat there for a hour with a thesaurus trying to figure out how to make it all rhyme!:flipoff2:



Very nice btw, I got a chuckle out of it!

Originally posted by TNToy

Is the rig flexing somewhere I'm missing? :confused:

Cause it looks like it's pretty much parked there. I believe H8 would refer to that particular spot as "paved". ;)

H8...who the hell is that and why the hell should we care what he has to say, are you not capable of coming up with a thought of your own...your just sheep following the heard
:flipoff2:

Oh my, the shits going to get good now!:)

lol..here comes the shit storm!! The b.s. storm that is:flipoff2:

Very subtle Brad..........I like yer style.

Originally posted by Ramsey Offroad


H8...who the hell is that and why the hell should we care what he has to say, are you not capable of coming up with a thought of your own...your just sheep following the heard
:flipoff2:


Personaly, I dont give a rats ass, what you use on your rig.
Just be courteous enough to get the hell out of the way, when you are being embarrasingly denied on the steep climbs. And please move to the side of th trail when you are repairing your suspension from the relentless wheel hop.
Actually its a fairly amusing side show to a fun day of successfull rock crawling, to be able to watch someone beat the living piss out of all of their nifty magazine swag.
If you would rather, take the advice of clever advertising that is designed to wrench dollars from your wallet, rather than the experience of someone who has already fallen victim to the clever advertising, then feel free,.....
I know quite a few rock crawlers from your neck of the woods, so maybe if you are ever comming down to the Hammers with some of the SNORT guys(Jan 1, 03 comes immediately to mind), you could let me know, so I could I could watch just how successful you are with your Revolvers, when we run Upper Big Johnson,....then we can swap them for shackles after we have a good laugh. :flipoff2:

I don't remember having revolvers on my heep :confused:

Originally posted by Ramsey Offroad
I don't remember having revolvers on my heep :confused:

Then what the fawk do you know or care about them:rolleyes:

I have ran them and tested them in a dozen or more configurations on several different rigs.
Im just trying to give real world facts on how poorly they worked in every configuration that I have used them in, so that people arent bilked out of their hard earned pay just so that a company can make good money off of them using BS dvertising and paying the off road rags to honk about them.

If you have something beneficial to add to the conversation, then by all means lets hear it.

If you are just saying that you dont like my opinions regardless of their content or validity, just say so. At least then I will know whether or not I need to waist my time responding to your comments in the future.

Just got back from the SC and I have that video clip. It's 3.4 meg and in Quick Time format. I will forward the email with the video attached to whoever can host it. SOJA productions turned down the resolution to make the file size smaller, but if you watch the rear revolvers on the climb you can see how they allow the suspension to load/unload eventually taking out parts. I noticed this on my junk when I had them and so have many others. This type of performance is NOT a good thing.

Thanks to SOJA productions for making this clip for us all. It's a little more hardcore trail evidence in this debate. This clip was from the SOJA productions ERoCC video for the 2nd ERoCC event of the season. For some kick ass coverage of the whole event you should order up the tapes. Let you West coast guys see how nice it is to wheel in the shade :D

Just post up an email addy if you can host the quicktime clip (3.4 meg) and I'll send it to you.

Kevin - I should be able to put it on my site, and post a link to it here...

rkcrawl@tidesys.com

Originally posted by rkcrawl
Kevin - I should be able to put it on my site, and post a link to it here...

rkcrawl@tidesys.com

I just sent the clip off to you. Thanks :)

We also have a higher resolution version for those with broadband, it's about 9MB, if anyone can host it, I'll send it over.

Originally posted by bigdude


I just sent the clip off to you. Thanks :)

Just got it. Try www.tidesys.com/revolvers.mov 3.4meg

Clip provided by SOA Productions.

I am having trouble with the file, maybe my version of quicktime.

Interesting video. I suppose you don't see that flat worn-out springs SOA, no Traction bar and a tin can drive shaft had anything to do with that.

I've never had anything close to that happen with mine on very similar climbs.

Jeeper

Originally posted by Jeeper
Interesting video. I suppose you don't see that flat worn-out springs SOA, no Traction bar and a tin can drive shaft had anything to do with that.

I've never had anything close to that happen with mine on very similar climbs.

Jeeper

Nice try.

Trac bar is a wish bone link off the top of the diff. Works well to prevent wrap, used many times over on other vehicles. Springs are flat and it was the vehicles first time out on them, so they aren't worn to the point of being wet noodles. He broke 5-6 driveshafts that event, all were new, none were tin cans. That rig has more money in its chromo tube tig welded cage than you probably do in your rig. Design is good, revolvers just suck.

Tell me you don't see them loading and unloading on that climb :rolleyes: You can't deny the video. It's OK to admit you're wrong and wasted your $$$$ :eek: :flipoff2:

I dunno, I've seen revolvers work great.....










































for winning RTI competitions in the mall parking lot! :flipoff2:

its obivious to me that anyone who is running revlovers doesn't go wheeling on anything much passed a dirt road..there is no need for such a gizmo like revolvers. The little bit of bullshit down travel that they give u isnt going to make your truck unstopable,,it will just keep napa in business selling u joints or what ever else u break.. Sure with a good traction bar u may minimize parts breakage but cmon ppl is it really worth it. just learn how to build a susp that works....

Originally posted by bigdude


That rig has more money in its chromo tube tig welded cage than you probably do in your rig. Design is good...

Not sure how spending more money on his cage has anything to do with it but ok...good for him. If the design is good...I'll assume you are talking about his suspension and not his high dollar cage... then why is it he snapped 5 or 6 Drive shafts? All because of the Revolvers???....Please!

Tell me you don't see them loading and unloading on that climb :rolleyes:


You are correct...I do see them bouncing all around, due to the fact that his springs are inadequate, severe axle wrap and he's SOA with Revolvers (BTW, I am too for now)


You can't deny the video. It's OK to admit you're wrong and wasted your $$$$ :eek: :flipoff2:

He has problems...not me. Video certainly shows that without a doubt. Maybe a little more thought into his supension while keeping in mind the action of the Revolvers would rectify his issues.

Originally posted by Jeeper


He has problems...not me. Video certainly shows that without a doubt. Maybe a little more thought into his supension while keeping in mind the action of the Revolvers would rectify his issues.

You must wheel in reverse.

Originally posted by LAME


You must wheel in reverse.

Only when its necessary...don't you?

Jeeper

Originally posted by Jeeper


Only when its necessary...don't you?

Jeeper

No not all the time, and not fast enough so I am wheeling in a vacuum where all those letters equaling other letters, my Physics teacher told me about, don't apply.

Seriously. Do a side elevation of your rear suspension, turn the paper 30 degrees, and look how the revolver will react when your axle is pivioting on the forward spring mount, when the tire is traveling forward, but the rest of the Jeep isn't. Now imagine the tire losing grip, and the axle/suspension rotates back. Loading and unloading, with lots of twist=poop.

I can round up some shitty MSpaint drawrings* tomorrow if needed.

*intentional.

Originally posted by LAME


No not all the time, and not fast enough so I am wheeling in a vacuum where all those letters equaling other letters, my Physics teacher told me about, don't apply.

Seriously. Do a side elevation of your rear suspension, turn the paper 30 degrees, and look how the revolver will react when your axle is pivioting on the forward spring mount, when the tire is traveling forward, but the rest of the Jeep isn't. Now imagine the tire losing grip, and the axle/suspension rotates back. Loading and unloading, with lots of twist=poop.

I can round up some shitty MSpaint drawrings* tomorrow if needed.

*intentional.

I hate those friggin' letter as much as you!

Let me take a step back so we can move forward...my rig is NOT what it used to be (who's is). As it stands I'm running (sort of), a 305tpi, th350, Atlas 4.3, D60 rear and 44 front (65"wms-wms), with 38.5x14.50 Sx's on 15x10 generics, 2.5" Alcan's and Revolvers....now, having said that, I have not fully tested the revolvers with this set up....wiring issues with the 305. although I did make a few runs while I had a 400 in it. So, my mind has not been made up yet in this configuration.

However, prior to its current state of disrepair, I was stock engine, tranny and xfer with D30/D35 SUA with 3.5" Super lift, Revolvers, custom shock mounts etc. with 33x12.50's. the Revolvers worked GREAT in this configuration and I had absolutely no wheel hop.

I did however have one experience in a steep climb where my centering pin snapped on the drivers side that may or may not have been caused by the Revolvers. My typical wheeling does not involve a lot of wheel spin as that would usually launch you into more trouble than you would want.

Here's a series of the trouble I'm talking about.

http://community.webshots.com/album/30874865cZIIdQIvZP

BTW OTTERGONEJPN That's the dirt road to my house...can I see yours?



Jeeper

Jeeper-
How can you tell his springs are wrapping in that clip :confused: I surely can't. I've competed against this guy many times. Have you seen them in person to refute my personal, first hand, experience??? If not, then STFU and quit telling me what is happening because I stood there and watched it many times. You want your suspension to act like that then go wheel some hard vertical shit with bad traction. If you honestly think a wrap bar can stop revolvers from loading/unloading and letting an axle walk I feel sorry for you. Your pinion won't wrap with a bar, but it will move up and down violently along the radius the spring provides (pivoting on the frame mount), resulting in broken parts in many cases. Keep mall crawling :D

Lame-
I think you'll need the drawings because this guy seems to know it all.

Originally posted by bigdude
Jeeper-
How can you tell his springs are wrapping in that clip :confused: I surely can't. I've competed against this guy many times. Have you seen them in person to refute my personal, first hand, experience??? If not, then STFU and quit telling me what is happening because I stood there and watched it many times. You want your suspension to act like that then go wheel some hard vertical shit with bad traction. If you honestly think a wrap bar can stop revolvers from loading/unloading and letting an axle walk I feel sorry for you. Your pinion won't wrap with a bar, but it will move up and down violently along the radius the spring provides (pivoting on the frame mount), resulting in broken parts in many cases. Keep mall crawling :D

Lame-
I think you'll need the drawings because this guy seems to know it all.

You've got issues you need to deal with. I don't. I'm glad to hear that you were a personal witness to what was displayed. I wasn't there and can only go by what I viewed. What I stated was my opinion on what I saw and my REAL LIFE experience with my own set-up. Not sure why you want me to "STFU" unless you can't actually handle an opposing view point but that's your choice.

It would appear that most of you folks that do not agree with the action of the Revolvers do so in one particular instance...that being steep inclines where throttle is the key. Again, most of my wheeling (mall-crawling) is done at just that...a crawl.

Also, are you trying to say that spring wrap will not cause wheel hop and ultimately lead to broken parts as well?

Also, if Lame is so inclined to post drawings then fine, I really don't need them but they surely won't hurt. And No, I don't know it all...perhaps you should read my previous post. I by no means am the Ultimate wheeler as you appear to self proclaim yourself.

Jeeper

Originally posted by bigdude


Trac bar is a wish bone link off the top of the diff. Works well to prevent wrap, used many times over on other vehicles.

I don't believe in revolvers, but his wish bone wrap bar can definitely allow for spring wrap. We all know the pinion wants to climb and with his wishbone attached top/center of the diff, it appears like it will work, at to some extent it does. But there comes a point when he will apply enough power, and have the tires with enough traction that the axle will wrap and pivot at the attachment point of the wish bone. The revolvers probably make this worse on his setup.

I just spent more then a couple hours laying under the jeep and researching single bar setup (which is what his wish bone really is, as it only attaches to the diff at one point) and they will all allow spring wrap at some point, as the design relies on the spring for its second attachment to the axle. Soft springs will wrap quick with this design, stiff springs would last longer, maybe forever, but thet'd be just that, stiff.

If I went through the trouble of doing a wish bone, then I may as well go all the way and 3/4 link it and go coils. He is design is flawed and the revolvers make it worse.

I'm staying with a ladder bar. I wish the wishbone really worked, as it would be killer for clearance, and I have the room for it now.

Single bar allows for spring twist, and hop also..although it will reduce these tendencies.

Shitty drawings coming up:D

Originally posted by LAME
Single bar allows for spring twist, and hop also..although it will reduce these tendencies.

Shitty drawings coming up:D

Yeah, thats what I said.. "to a point". If there is enough force to wrap the spring in Jack's setup, the revolvers will make it worse, and potentially bind his driveshaft. No one wonders why he busted like 5 or 6 driveshafts at ERoCC? He doesn't drive his rig hard enough to explain busting that many shafts....

Bottom line, I still don't like them.... and this argument is like arguing religon. Some believe in them, some don't. We (mostly) won't convince the others of our POV no matter what "proof" we offer up.

:flipoff2: :D

Problem with proof is that some peoples proof is different than others. I have absolutely no issues with someone that has physically tried them in various set ups and conditions and had problems they could not overcome. (H8, Bigdude etal.) It's their real world experience and its proof. I just happen to have opposite real-world experiences and a different proof in my environment. I don't compete (today) and use my rig on your every-day trails (well...sort of)...kind of like your average-joe that goes a little more extreme but not to the point of having to build a tubular framed, sub 1,200lbs, 450+hp rig (that's in the works though :D )

now...can I see a video of an SUA rig with 35's, Revolvers climbing the same thing with the same results????

Jeeper

Originally posted by Jeeper
now...can I see a video of an SUA rig with 35's, Revolvers climbing the same thing with the same results????

Jeeper

I wish I had a video of mine for you from back then :p My experience was SUA with 36s on a YJ, trying to climb Guardrail while it was covered in snow. I can see where you're from so you probably don't wheel the same types of things we do. Get vertical in slop and you'll see it everytime (at least I have). You need wheelspin to view the detrimental effects, I never noticed it until I tried to climb something while spinning.

rkcrawl- Jack changed his set-up to attach the bar more on top of the diff. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it seems to work better. I spoke to him about the revolvers at the SC, he's another one who can't be convinced, so I suggested he buy the video and watch his rig :D

Originally posted by bigdude

rkcrawl- Jack changed his set-up to attach the bar more on top of the diff. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it seems to work better. I spoke to him about the revolvers at the SC, he's another one who can't be convinced, so I suggested he buy the video and watch his rig :D

I think he is still gonna eat driveshafts. Lame nailed it, it reduces the tendency to wrap, but won't stop it. The revolvers are only going to make it worse. I guess I have too soft a spring, and get into the go pedal way to much to be willing to try it. :D

Dammit. My shitty photoshop explinations aren't working for uploading. I'll create some CAD crap, since I have no real work to do today.

Personally, I still don't get why everyone is so against these things, when they are so not geared towards extreme wheeling - these things were never made for the extreme wheeler, they're made for weekend wheeler guys with lightly modified rigs who want a little more flex out of their 4 inch procomp SUA kits. Is it really surprising that they don't work in the extreme setups on the extreme trails?

No offense, but to me it's kinda like complaining that you're Toyota echo is getting its ass kicked racing ferrarris down the mountain canyons.... well, YEAH - because that's not what it was made for.

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by rkcrawl


I guess I have too soft a spring, and get into the go pedal way to much to be willing to try it. :D

What haven't you broken in the last 6 months :flipoff2:

Originally posted by ChadLloyd
No offense, but to me it's kinda like complaining that you're Toyota echo is getting its ass kicked racing ferrarris down the mountain canyons....


My WJ could kick both their asses :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude


What haven't you broken in the last 6 months :flipoff2:

Fawker! :D That is exactly what I am trying to avoid! Have I told you its all your fault yet? No, well dammit its all your fault! :D :flipoff2:

Originally posted by LAME
...since I have no real work to do today.

Do you EVER have any real work to do? Seems to me you're always here... :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Jakesteramalamajama


Do you EVER have any real work to do? Seems to me you're always here... :flipoff2:

Something about a pot calling a kettle black comes to mind:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Jeeper
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now...can I see a video of an SUA rig with 35's, Revolvers climbing the same thing with the same results????

jeeper [/B]

I've got tons of video and pictures of my rig verticle to the point of goin over backwards.Wet,mossy,steep slab climbs,snow covered stream beds etc. etc. all with revolvers and a track bar. I'm not interested in tryin to argue with the know-it-alls because they'll always be right and we'll always be idiots even though they've never met us or seen our rigs.

Is that Jeepmauler or JeepMALLer? :flipoff2:

Just kiddin' Newbie! :flipoff2: ;)

Originally posted by LAME


Something about a pot calling a kettle black comes to mind:flipoff2:

Hey, it's good work if you can get it! :flipoff2:

I was just getting sick of seeing this at the top of the screen every day so I figured I'd try to change the subject.

Nothing kills these annoying Revolver threads faster... :rolleyes:

Here! Here!

We WA state wheelers are bound to remain outcasts here on the Pirate site.......Arrghhh. Eye... Matey Arrghhh.....



Haa Haa Ha!!!!!:flipoff2:



BTW where can I get a good deal on these "Revolvers" they sound like just what I need to get over those pesky speed bumps at the Mall where I go to 4WD Parts Wholesalers to buy all my shiny chrome accessories!

LBMFS!

Originally posted by mrmacrro

BTW where can I get a good deal on these "Revolvers" they sound like just what I need to get over those pesky speed bumps at the Mall where I go to 4WD Parts Wholesalers to buy all my shiny chrome accessories!


:laughing:

If I could just upload I would kill this thread in a couple posts:D :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Jakesteramalamajama
Is that Jeepmauler or JeepMALLer? :flipoff2:

Just kiddin' Newbie! :flipoff2: ;)

Who asked you? you punk bitch Jeff does more crazy shit then all you web wheelers could dream of.I can already hear all the your right Im a web wheeler sarcasim coming so spare us you fawkin JU rejects.

Trailh:fj:wg

Originally posted by Jeeper


It would appear that most of you folks that do not agree with the action of the Revolvers do so in one particular instance...that being steep inclines where throttle is the key. Again, most of my wheeling (mall-crawling) is done at just that...a crawl.

Jeeper

Last night I was watching the video of our Asylum trip. After reading thru this thread I wanted to see if my missing link shackles cause any wrap while crawling. They did. I could plainly see it while I tried to climb a 3 foot boulder, the back axle flopping around while giving it very little gas (6:1 in the t-case). As a matter of fact you can hear Zuk on the video point out the axle wrap problem. I have a buddy who ran revolvers on his Samurai and this bahavior was even more apparent, but he was also a throttle jockey. Needless to say I went back to standard shackles when I inboarded my rear springs and it climbs so much better I wish I would have done it sooner.

Originally posted by GPN Family


Who asked you? you punk bitch Jeff does more crazy shit then all you web wheelers could dream of.I can already hear all the your right Im a web wheeler sarcasim coming so spare us you fawkin JU rejects.

Trailh:fj:wg


WELL...

I guess you told me. How DARE I impugn Jeff the Jeepmaller's good name by slanderizing it so! I just wonder... Where would poor little Jeffry be without you to defend him with your thin layer of skin?

He must be giving you somethin' REAL special on the side for you to stick up for him like that... ;)

Get a sense of humor, dude.

:flipoff2: ,
Jake ;)

I have no use for a sense of humor and even less use for you

Originally posted by GPN Family
I have no use for a sense of humor and even less use for you

Originally posted by GPN Family
I have no use for a sense of humor and even less use for you

You make my point for me. :rolleyes:

OK, I understand and agree that Revolvers suck. What is the general concensus on those home brewed "buggy" springs that you see all over the place? I tend to see them as being another form of revolvers. I know quite a few people that run the "buggy" spring, and one guy that has revolvers. I have never really been all that impressed with either. Straight SOA works great for me.

Proir to running revolvers,I was running super soft leaves with stock shackles so I was used to dealing with axle wrap and driving "around it". I installed rev. shacks. to gain a little more "droop", as a tempory setup till I converted the rear to links and coils with in the next year.Ran it once with no anti-wrap bar and went no where:mad: went home that night and whipped up a 3rd link and that took care of about 90% of the wrap problems.Ran it again and added a couple turns of preload to the bar so it was always under tension and that took away another couple %.It is not a perfect setup by any means,but IT NEVER KEPT ME FROM GOING WHERE I WANTED TO GO!!

Low horse power and an automatic probably helped alot,along with a relativley light vehicle,3200#.Going back over video there definetley is "subtle" axle wrap but nothing violent,not even enough to clack the springs.I'm talkin about full throttle assults on dry rock faces,steps.blah,blah,blah as well as the normal creep crawl b.s. The bottom line as far as I'm concernd is that I got them to work on my rig in our corner of the map.

Originally posted by mrmacrro



Yo-Yo You Freakin Yo Yo!
Big Jeff Gots a Posse round here too,
Bring yo azz up here to WA state, We'll show you what Wheelins about.
All you sunny Cali bee-otches don't know bout wheelin till you get up here in the Muck and trees.
Dry Rocks in the sand with ultimate traction is for Pussies, come up to the mud with your 4 point linked coil over suspensions and $60,000. credit card rigs and we'll see who's the "Friggin Newbie"

:flipoff2:

I really hope that you don't belive what you typed.

Ignorance is best left to those that enjoy it.

maybe this thread could die,,,because revolvers are worthless OK

It is funny how the moderators close decent threads with plenty of tech and leave shit like this to go on forever. I posted early on in this thread to a buddy and now every time I log on to my e-mail there are more notices that there is a new post to this thread.

Listen, if you want to run Revolvers do so and if you don't want to then don't! Ain't America great with the free choice deal?



Can we get a fat lady over here to sing something?

Revolvers rock. Suck my ass you stupid ass mofos that think u know shit. Nice jeep. Queers!

Originally posted by rockjeep44
Revolvers suck. I suck my :rainbow: ass I a stupid ass mofo that think I know shit. Nice jeep. I'm Queer!

http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v3/0/46/22/43104622LecnRJ_ph.jpg