: Superkrew's Truggy Build
Super Krew 12-20-2009, 01:13 PM Alright, I wasn't gonna post it, but screw it. Here goes.
A quick rundown on the parts list:
Engine:
760 HP 511 big block with forged internals and 13:1 comp
AFR 315cfm heads and custom Bullet roller cam
Dual 425 propane mixers
Tranny:
TH400 with Art Carr reverse manual valve body
Hughs 2800RPM Stall
Cases:
NP203 to a Lomax 205 via ORD double clocked up
Axles:
Front-Dana 80 with Reid C's and knuckles with Longfield Shafts
5:13s and a Detroit
Rear- Dana 80 with Rockwell C's and knuckles and Ouverson super 8 with wheel brakes and 47 spline stubs and 16 spline cromo inners
Here is the start
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/New%20Rig/004.jpg
Super Krew 12-20-2009, 01:17 PM Rockers cut with frame
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/New%20Rig/026.jpg
Frame
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/New%20Rig/025.jpg
Just a little cage work
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/New%20Rig/0132.jpg
Super Krew 12-20-2009, 01:22 PM More cage:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/New%20Rig/0122.jpg
Custom "Rolled" tube
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/New%20Rig/0073.jpg
Rear frame work and shock mounts
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/New%20Rig/0054.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/New%20Rig/0035.jpg
If you look closely at the second to last pic, you will notice that it is a cantilever rear suspension. I can get 18 inches of travel out of a 16 inch shock and the shock load is always vertical, never sideloaded. I will post more on this later on. And if you are wondering, I am gonna be running ORI Struts.
Super Krew 12-20-2009, 01:26 PM Pics of the cantilever arms
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/New%20Rig/0043.jpg
Mock up motor with the drivetrain in it:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/New%20Rig/0036.jpg
Gotta keep that belly flat and a pic of the start of the dash and seat mounted
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/New%20Rig/0064.jpg
Super Krew 12-20-2009, 01:30 PM Motor pic:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/New%20Rig/012.jpg
Started the front end
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10165.jpg
Orbital mount and subframe/engine skid
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10183.jpg
Top of the engine cage. It will be fanges and hinged accordingly
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10182.jpg
Tranny shifter and two of the three case shifters
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10243.jpg
Cutting brakes mounted
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10245.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10244.jpg
frikenwoodro 12-20-2009, 01:36 PM Is there an acess area for IF the motor needs to come out?
MOAR
Super Krew 12-20-2009, 01:41 PM The motor cage will have a series of flanges for removal.
spidr 12-20-2009, 01:41 PM Top of the engine cage. It will be fanges and hinged accordingly]
Is there an acess area for IF the motor needs to come out?
MOAR
Reading comprehension owns you:flipoff2:
Awesome build:smokin:
frikenwoodro 12-20-2009, 01:43 PM Reading comprehension owns you:flipoff2:
Awesome build:smokin:
Ohh I ahh I seen that:flipoff2:
Super Krew 12-20-2009, 01:48 PM Here is a couple parts that I have already
1 1/4x 1 inch heims
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/doubler003.jpg
Double from Offroad design
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/doubler001.jpg
And here is the deal on the next pic. The front suspension is gonna be trianglated lowers with straight uppers. Pretty standard. The rear is a trianglated lowers with a wishbone upper. Now I wanted something that would hold up to the abuse. A friend and I joked about it until he called me a pu$$. So that means it has to be done.
The Frank
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/frankenheim.jpg
The left heim is a 5/8x3/4 the middle is 1 1/4x1 inch and then the Frankenheim from Evolution Machine. By far the coolest thing that will go on the rig, hands down
bigred350 12-20-2009, 01:48 PM Its gonna be hard to get in and out of that rig.
Super Krew 12-20-2009, 01:51 PM Its gonna be hard to get in and out of that rig.
It will be, but I wanted the strongest form, and I believe this is it. I have just decided to do all my spotting from the drivers seat:flipoff2:
Elvis38 12-20-2009, 02:51 PM You have my complete attention. Now finish the damn thing.:p:smokin:
twoslo4five0 12-20-2009, 03:16 PM looks nice.alot nicer than my truggy but mine may get close one day.what tire are you running?i just bought a set of 46s for mine.
Highrolleres 12-20-2009, 03:19 PM looks like you got a good start to a great build.
Super Krew 12-20-2009, 03:23 PM I have two sets. I have a set of 47's on recentered H1s and a set of 44" TSLs that are gonna get a nice Tennessee groove.
silver98Z71 12-20-2009, 03:44 PM Great start, keep it up. I liked the crew cab, this one should be sweet as well.
CHEVYRCKS 12-20-2009, 04:14 PM Very cool build!! :smokin:
chevyforlife502 12-20-2009, 04:16 PM quite the build bro nice work keep the progress coming what the tire and rim comp going to be?
twoslo4five0 12-20-2009, 04:20 PM quite the build bro nice work keep the progress coming what the tire and rim comp going to be?
I have two sets. I have a set of 47's on recentered H1s and a set of 44" TSLs that are gonna get a nice Tennessee groove.
we have a lack of reading skills lately on here :rolleyes:
who is gonna get overkill of the year?spidr or super krew?
Super Krew 12-20-2009, 04:52 PM I will post updates as they come. As for my update at the moment, I am bobbing around on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico, with parts piling up at the house. Thats how it goes. I get bored offshore, and start ordering parts. I stay out here and think about all the stuff I wanna do, and hit the ground running with alot of motivation. Helps from getting burnt out.
chevalade 12-20-2009, 09:56 PM The cash from offshore drilling helps a lot as well.
Corey Young 12-20-2009, 10:16 PM Axles:
Front-Dana 80 with Reid C's and knuckles with Longfield Shafts
5:13s and a Detroit
Rear- Dana 80 with Rockwell C's and knuckles and Ouverson super 8 with wheel brakes and 47 spline stubs and 16 spline cromo inners
Why don't you use Dana 80 centers with Rockwell steer outers on both axles? You could do 40 spline inners and 47 spline stubs.
ffdustyw 12-20-2009, 10:31 PM Fucking awesome! subscribed!
confederate muscle 12-21-2009, 05:20 AM Hell yeah Thomas, truck will be a beast.
I have a 454 that I was thinking of dropping into my 94 but im not overly motor savvy so I may end up jsut getting a newer ls based small block instead. If you ever need and help with some manual labor, hollar....im not that far down the road.
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guidolyons 12-21-2009, 05:36 AM :grinpimp:
We need a :drool: and :envy: icons.
jps4jeep 12-21-2009, 08:15 AM :grinpimp:
We need a :drool: And :envy: Icons.
x2
Chevymaniac 12-21-2009, 08:45 AM You got some awesome fab skills, i can't wait to see some more updates.:flipoff2:
Super Krew 12-21-2009, 10:42 AM Why don't you use Dana 80 centers with Rockwell steer outers on both axles? You could do 40 spline inners and 47 spline stubs.
Well the reason is that I already have all the shafts and pieces to put these together
Super Krew 12-21-2009, 10:44 AM Hell yeah Thomas, truck will be a beast.
I have a 454 that I was thinking of dropping into my 94 but im not overly motor savvy so I may end up jsut getting a newer ls based small block instead. If you ever need and help with some manual labor, hollar....im not that far down the road.
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Thanks for the offer man, and I might just take ya up on it.
And thanks for the compliments guys, it means alot
Thomas
90ctd 12-21-2009, 11:05 AM this build is sick! keep up the good work buddy :beer:
Leyland 12-21-2009, 11:08 AM VERY NICE :borat:
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MTblazer87 12-25-2009, 10:23 AM I really like the cantalever system, Can't wait to see more on that!:smokin:
Super Krew 12-25-2009, 03:59 PM Well I have been trying to order my struts for a few days now:mad3:. Havent gotten to yet, but I think everyone is in Holiday mode. Oh well. I like the cantilever setup for a few reasons. It keeps the shocks movement straight up and down without any side load. I know this isnt a terrible thing, but staight is its strongest movement. Second, it keeps the shock higher up and behind the cab, and less likely to come into contact of debris from the front tires. Third, you can achieve more trave out of a shorter shock. Gotta love Geometry. And last, it gives me the clearance around both of my propane bottles. I know this can be done, but this keeps all shock movement from contacting anything inside there little area.
I know some people have told me this is complicated and overdoing it, but thats how I build things and thats how I like them.
Thomas
Super Krew 12-25-2009, 04:16 PM Here is a better pic of the Cantilever arms:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/0034.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/0052.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/0062.jpg
DirtNMyTeeth 12-25-2009, 07:29 PM Bad ass build
DIY4X 12-25-2009, 08:30 PM Looks like a nice build.
Any reason not to stick the fullhydro box right in the firewall?
Super Krew 12-26-2009, 04:46 PM Looks like a nice build.
Any reason not to stick the fullhydro box right in the firewall?
Not really. I dont like them in the cab, cuase I do hydr. for a living and have seen first hand what a "lil" bit of pressure can do. And second, just wanted to keep all my hoses and tubing in the plumbing system short.
Thomas
Beat95YJ 12-26-2009, 05:09 PM that rear suspension is going to bind, a lot.
mog-10 12-26-2009, 05:23 PM nice fab work:grinpimp:
Super Krew 12-26-2009, 06:14 PM that rear suspension is going to bind, a lot.
Bet ya it doesnt.:D
tacoma73 12-26-2009, 06:19 PM What's going on at the rear axle then?? as you have it, there is no way for the links to twist with the suspension movement.
I drool on your engine pics. :D
Beat95YJ 12-26-2009, 06:30 PM Bet ya it doesnt.:D
I'll take that bet. The dual heims will not allow the link to twist. This combined with dual mounts at the axle is going to turn the suspension into a giant swaybar. It only has one degree of freedom.
Super Krew 12-26-2009, 06:39 PM What's going on at the rear axle then?? as you have it, there is no way for the links to twist with the suspension movement.
I drool on your engine pics. :D
Ok, I have to clear this up. The pics here are not the upper links. The rear suspension is a 3 link with a wishbone upper. These are cantilever links that the shocks will mount to with a tie-rod style arm that connects these arms to the axle. The heims in that rod take all the twist. I will see if I can find a pic of a similar setup
Belooky 12-26-2009, 06:40 PM Im sure it would bind.... if that link was his upper or lower link. That link is just the cantilever arm. Look back at the first page with the shock in it. The shock goes in the upper hole on the rear of the arm.
EDIT: Damit man. beat me to it while i was typing
Beat95YJ 12-26-2009, 06:46 PM Ok, I have to clear this up. The pics here are not the upper links. The rear suspension is a 3 link with a wishbone upper. These are cantilever links that the shocks will mount to with a tie-rod style arm that connects these arms to the axle. The heims in that rod take all the twist. I will see if I can find a pic of a similar setup
ok but the links need to get closer and further from each other during articulation. Wont happen like that.
Super Krew 12-26-2009, 07:00 PM Ok ok,:shaking: since everyone isnt on the same page, here is a couple pics of what I'm building. This is Four Wheelers Mega Titan. Look at the rear suspension, and the links the shocks are mounted to.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/129_0603_17znissan_titanshop_view.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/129_0812_17_z2004_nissan_titanmount.jpg
frikenwoodro 12-26-2009, 07:19 PM Don't listen to the jeep people they think they know. :flipoff2: Carry onnnnnnnnnnnn
Super Krew 12-26-2009, 07:21 PM Just want everyone on the same page. Evolution Offroad makes a cantilever rear coil-over kit of the JK, and its pretty badass.
Thomas
hybrid-theory 12-26-2009, 07:27 PM Don't listen to the jeep people they think they know. :flipoff2: Carry onnnnnnnnnnnn
If you only knew who that "jeep guy" was your talking about?
Cool build man. Wade
frikenwoodro 12-26-2009, 07:32 PM If you only knew who that "jeep guy" was your talking about.
Cool build man. Wade
I don't and know nothing about jeeps.:flipoff2:
They are cool tho
/Hijack
Y5mgisi 12-27-2009, 02:44 AM Thats pretty awesome so far man!
Was i the only one getting frustrated by the dudes saying it was going to bind? You have double hiems cause you NEED double hiems to prevent the catiliver arm from rotating...
Im on the same page!
Leyland 12-27-2009, 06:09 AM I have never seen a set up like that one before but it looks bad ass, nice work...
and in a previous thread you thought everyone (pirate) was going to "cut up your work":laughing:
M-1028 12-27-2009, 07:25 AM DAANNNGG foo!!:mr-t: Steppin up to Pirate eh? You better listen, it'll never work.:shaking:
freeclimber00 12-27-2009, 08:40 AM Call me an idiot because I am probably wrong, but I don't see how that cantilever setup will increase travel enough to warrant the work involved. 2 inches is pretty minscule. The only benefit I see is that you can run a taller tire without hitting the shocks/coilovers during up travel by relocating the shocks/coilovers up and out of harms way.....
Seems your efforts would be better spent, by locating the shock/coilovers closer to the pivot point of the links ( at the frame)as well as positioning them as close to vert as possible, which in turn allows them to work at there fullest capacity and maximizes extension/compression. You could definately gain more than 2 inches that way.
The heims may even allow those swing arms to bind just because they will rotate a little. Seems to me it will be a very loose setup. I suppose, I am just seeing the begining of the setup. Finishing it will definately shed some light on it. I hope it all works as expected.......hate seeing all that work go into something you have to scrap later.
just my $ .02
Ok ok,:shaking: since everyone isnt on the same page, here is a couple pics of what I'm building. This is Four Wheelers Mega Titan. Look at the rear suspension, and the links the shocks are mounted to.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/129_0603_17znissan_titanshop_view.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/129_0812_17_z2004_nissan_titanmount.jpg
MNorby 12-27-2009, 08:58 AM are you mounting the shocks forward more on the cantilever arm than the axle linkage or angling them pretty steep?
M-1028 12-27-2009, 09:38 AM I don't understand how its going to bind. Please elaborate.
The mega titan has been running that setup for a couple years, and seems to work well. His setup is very similar.
Beat95YJ 12-27-2009, 10:23 AM I don't understand how its going to bind. Please elaborate.
The mega titan has been running that setup for a couple years, and seems to work well. His setup is very similar.
I kept thinking those were lower links instead, my bad.
M-1028 12-27-2009, 10:31 AM I kept thinking those were lower links instead, my bad.
No problem
freeclimber00 12-27-2009, 10:37 AM Here is a quick crappy drawing of the way that I have seen the cantilever setup. This setup will allow adjustment of the shocks and the link. This adjustment will set your travel distance.
If you use Poly at the frame it will prevent the arm from rotating cw/ccw. The heim will exaggerate any twisting of the arm and sideloading your shocks/coilovers, due to the forces that will be placed on it through the travel cycle. I would mount that arm at the frame so it gets no rotation, but good up and down travel. Maybe even a bearing and shaft on the extreme side, although I think that poly will work.
Your heims can be better used elsewhere. Like at the ends of the link to the axle. Those points can use the heims more effectively for they will be sideloaded throughout the arc of the axle rotation.
Your shocks/coilovers can be moved towards the frame to give you all the travel you want. Similar to the race trucks that have 30+ inches of rear travel. You will have to do the math on where the placement of your shocks/coilovers will go on the cantilever arm.
Hope that sheds a little light on the setup...
Anybody else, if I am wrong please chime in and correct me.......
M-1028 12-27-2009, 10:40 AM Call me an idiot because I am probably wrong, but I don't see how that cantilever setup will increase travel enough to warrant the work involved. 2 inches is pretty minscule. The only benefit I see is that you can run a taller tire without hitting the shocks/coilovers during up travel by relocating the shocks/coilovers up and out of harms way.....
Seems your efforts would be better spent, by locating the shock/coilovers closer to the pivot point of the links ( at the frame)as well as positioning them as close to vert as possible, which in turn allows them to work at there fullest capacity and maximizes extension/compression. You could definately gain more than 2 inches that way.
The heims may even allow those swing arms to bind just because they will rotate a little. Seems to me it will be a very loose setup. I suppose, I am just seeing the begining of the setup. Finishing it will definately shed some light on it. I hope it all works as expected.......hate seeing all that work go into something you have to scrap later.
just my $ .02
I asked him the same thing, why this setup? You get a little more travel and it keeps the shock out of harms way. He can't mount the ORI's up the cantilever because of there weight capacity. It's a full size truck with a heavy drive train.
M-1028 12-27-2009, 10:49 AM Here is a better pic of the Cantilever arms:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/0034.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/0052.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/0062.jpg
Look at the last pic, 2 heims+1bolt= no twist at the frame.
freeclimber00 12-27-2009, 10:51 AM It is the rear of the truck (less weight) and we don't know the spring rate or the valving. May be able to take it. Plus tilting the shocks/coilovers will reduce the intial load of a jump, bump. Correct?
freeclimber00 12-27-2009, 10:54 AM Look at the last pic, 2 heims+1bolt= no twist at the frame.
For some reason my brain was registering only one heim there.
There will probably less twist than with a poly bushing......too.
Joshinator 12-27-2009, 11:00 AM Seriously Folks, with 700 hp Bigblock..... Who cares if the damn suspension works or not? Its gonna be a beast regaurdless!
M-1028 12-27-2009, 11:05 AM It is the rear of the truck (less weight) and we don't know the spring rate or the valving. May be able to take it. Plus tilting the shocks/coilovers will reduce the intial load of a jump, bump. Correct?
I don't think so because the arm travels in an arc. Let him explain, he's building it in my shop, I see it everyday. I gave up on theory:D, I've seen it all move and I think it'll work good:smokin:.
waterman1971 12-27-2009, 11:23 AM Great job! Subscribed
creepingrocks 12-27-2009, 12:43 PM looks good nice work!
freeclimber00 12-27-2009, 01:32 PM He is doing good work no doubt.....I will watch and see what he is brewing up......Subscribed for sure....
90ctd 12-27-2009, 01:36 PM subscribed. freaking sweet
Super Krew 12-27-2009, 04:44 PM Wow, I went to one 12 hour shift and come back to this! Freeclimber, I understand what you are saying completly. The only problem with mounting the shock midway up the link is, it becomes very difficult to tune, and it makes the shock think it weighs 10,000 pounds with the added leverage. We all know that angle in which you mount your shocks will increase/decrease travel. The angle in which I have them adds 2 inches. Doesnt sound like a lot, but thats not the only reason I did this. I couldnt mount them inwards very much, due to the twin propane bottles that are between the mounting points. This also keeps them on the same straight plane. Is this a big deal, probably not, but its what I want. It will also reduce the initial load. It will also help with a taller tire, but thats wasnt part of the design process, just a positive aftermath. I know it seems that I am overcomplicating it, but I have it worked in my head and my math, and I wanna run with it. If it doesnt work, it doesnt work. You live, you learn. Thanks for the concerns, it sheads light on things that I always seem to miss.
Thomas
Super Krew 12-27-2009, 04:49 PM I don't think so because the arm travels in an arc. Let him explain, he's building it in my shop, I see it everyday. I gave up on theory:D, I've seen it all move and I think it'll work good:smokin:.
Hey foo. Yeah, wasnt going to but kinda got talked into it. And dont you know ya miss me:flipoff2: You need to at least post your finished product on here somewhere. Thanks for the help with explaining BTW. Hope Im home this week to work on it.
Thomas
frikenwoodro 12-27-2009, 05:35 PM Hey foo. Yeah, wasnt going to but kinda got talked into it.
I just gave you a slight push:flipoff2:
M-1028 12-28-2009, 09:52 AM Hey foo. Yeah, wasnt going to but kinda got talked into it. And dont you know ya miss me:flipoff2: You need to at least post your finished product on here somewhere. Thanks for the help with explaining BTW. Hope Im home this week to work on it.
Thomas
Of course I miss u sweetheart:flipoff2:
I've got a couple pics of mine in the rockwell rig thread.
No prob, I knew you were buisy so I tried to answer questions as best I could.:mr-t:
Super Krew 12-28-2009, 04:20 PM Of course I miss u sweetheart:flipoff2:
I've got a couple pics of mine in the rockwell rig thread.
No prob, I knew you were buisy so I tried to answer questions as best I could.:mr-t:
Thanks buttercup. I should be home by New Years, so keep the fingers crossed
poorboy1 12-29-2009, 12:48 PM looks good man, you may get tired of the door bars, but I am liking the build so far.
Joshinator 12-29-2009, 02:19 PM I know for a fact that he will not like the door bars, mine are high... and they suck. But they aren't that high. But i understand his reasoning totally. The added strength out weighs the pain in the ass they are to get around.
Lookin good T-Boy, get off that dang rig and get home so you can take some more pics already!
Super Krew 12-29-2009, 04:23 PM I know for a fact that he will not like the door bars, mine are high... and they suck. But they aren't that high. But i understand his reasoning totally. The added strength out weighs the pain in the ass they are to get around.
Lookin good T-Boy, get off that dang rig and get home so you can take some more pics already!
I'm trying Josh, i promise. BP really sux sometimes, and this is one of those times. The door bars are gonna suck, but I think it could be worse. Look at BJ's. They arent that close. I will just have to deal with it, and learn to spot others from the drivers seat. Thanks for the comments
Thomas
HEAVY METAL 12-29-2009, 04:31 PM i had door bars on my last truck they are a very good thing for doorless wheeling on tight treed trails. also for flops and keeping your legs in. i dont have them on my current truck but plan too add them too the cage so i can take my doors off this summer.
freeclimber00 12-29-2009, 05:18 PM Wow, I went to one 12 hour shift and come back to this! Freeclimber, I understand what you are saying completly. The only problem with mounting the shock midway up the link is, it becomes very difficult to tune, and it makes the shock think it weighs 10,000 pounds with the added leverage. We all know that angle in which you mount your shocks will increase/decrease travel. The angle in which I have them adds 2 inches. Doesnt sound like a lot, but thats not the only reason I did this. I couldnt mount them inwards very much, due to the twin propane bottles that are between the mounting points. This also keeps them on the same straight plane. Is this a big deal, probably not, but its what I want. It will also reduce the initial load. It will also help with a taller tire, but thats wasnt part of the design process, just a positive aftermath. I know it seems that I am overcomplicating it, but I have it worked in my head and my math, and I wanna run with it. If it doesnt work, it doesnt work. You live, you learn. Thanks for the concerns, it sheads light on things that I always seem to miss.
Thomas
Sorry to have littered up you thread. Just worried about a problem that did not exist.......You are building a beast and I would like to see it roar someday. Maybe Youtube vid?:D
clinta 12-29-2009, 05:43 PM And here is the deal on the next pic. The front suspension is gonna be trianglated lowers with straight uppers. Pretty standard. this is a quote from one of your posts
how is this pretty standard I have searched and searched for someone that has done an inverted four link on the front to try and make an educated guess on how I am going to do mine Inverted would be much easier but I havent had much luck finding someone who has done it and posted up. I would rather spend my time building than searching for a ghost and if I really wanted to R&D it then I just would anyways any advise is appreciated Thanks
tacoma73 12-29-2009, 05:45 PM Thanks for explaining your suspension. I was thinking those were the upper links, which were going to have the coils mounted mid-arm. makes sense now. ;)
Super Krew 12-29-2009, 06:09 PM It ok guys, I'm not very good at explaining whats in my head. The wife will agree with that. As for you question on the front link setup clinta, it is actually a very common setup, especially with the rockwell guys. Search around anything with rockwells and links and you should find something. My close friend on here, M-1028, is running them on his new buggy, and there are lots of others. I will see if I have a pic of it.
Thomas
Super Krew 12-29-2009, 06:14 PM This is the best pic I have but it is running this setup front and rear.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/PB030034.jpg
Hard to see, but its there.
Thomas
M-1028 12-29-2009, 08:34 PM YEP, strait uppers and triangulated lowers is common, esp with the rockwell guys like Thomas said. Heck the blue torch, and ballistic link brackets were made for that setup.
M-1028 12-29-2009, 08:40 PM Here ya go, you can see the uppers running parallel to the frame
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f27/M-1028/PA310027.jpg
And here is the deal on the next pic. The front suspension is gonna be trianglated lowers with straight uppers. Pretty standard. this is a quote from one of your posts
how is this pretty standard I have searched and searched for someone that has done an inverted four link on the front to try and make an educated guess on how I am going to do mine Inverted would be much easier but I havent had much luck finding someone who has done it and posted up. I would rather spend my time building than searching for a ghost and if I really wanted to R&D it then I just would anyways any advise is appreciated Thanks
Here is a good pic of one on one of those silly jeeps :grinpimp:
http://www.bluetorchfab.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/DSC_3852.jpg
Thomas and BJ can't wait to see your rigs out on the trails the fabwork and engineering are :smokin:
The cantilever suspension is quite interesting.
I apologize for the naive question; How do you go about calculating the spring rate for a cantilever suspension?
The way I see it is you are now adding an additional 1:1.125 ratio using a 16" stroke shock for 18" of travel. 1:1.125 is low but the number could easily grow significantly by extending the coil over link without moving the coilover, effectively changing your wheel travel, correct?
-Kevin
Hansi 12-30-2009, 02:02 PM Hey Super_Krew,
another question about those cantilever arms. You said one reason to go this way was to eliminate any sideload on the shock. While that seems reasonable to me, you're still gonna have sideload. Just not on the shocks, but on the cantilever arms.
When the axle is not level, the rods going from the cantilever arms to the axle are gonna be pointing outward on the top, therefore creating sideload on the cantilever arms, creating leverage at those two heim joints.
In my eyes you should really consider strengthening that spot. I drawed it in one of your pictures.
http://up.picr.de/3493498.jpg
Anyway - cool build. Keep it up!
Super Krew 12-30-2009, 02:30 PM The cantilever suspension is quite interesting.
I apologize for the naive question; How do you go about calculating the spring rate for a cantilever suspension?
The way I see it is you are now adding an additional 1:1.125 ratio using a 16" stroke shock for 18" of travel. 1:1.125 is low but the number could easily grow significantly by extending the coil over link without moving the coilover, effectively changing your wheel travel, correct?
-Kevin
This is true to an extent. The fact that Im not moving the shock up the cantilever, makes it almost the same. Just imagine the short tie rod that connects the cantilever to the axle, as an extended shock shaft. We all know that changing the pitch, or angle of the shock, will increase its travel at the axle, compared to a shock mounted straight up and down. I am simply doing this without mounting the shock on the axle. It is moving in an arc, compared to a straight compresion.
And Hansi, I have thought of that, and if it turns out to be an issue I will address it. Thanks for the input.
We finally got this well completed so looks like I am gonna be headed home in the morning. The wife tells me I have a pile of boxes at the house. Lookin forward to getting started again on this thing. I will post updates once I get home
Thomas
Joshinator 01-01-2010, 12:14 PM Aiight T-Boy, where are the updates? Its been two days, Momma should be all smiles again, where the dang updates!! Get out there in the shop and make Some Mo!!!
Happy new year Bub, Glad your home.
clinta 01-02-2010, 10:09 PM thanks for the clearification I was thinking you were going to run the lowers into the middle at the axle end not at the frame end
Super Krew 01-06-2010, 10:45 AM Ok, well got back on land the New Years Eve, and the next three days was tied up in Christmas' with the familys. Finally got it all done, and trying to get alil work done. Working on some engine/tranny/cases mounts. Will get some pics up tonight I hope. Also got a bunch of pics of some of the parts that showed up. Chech back later on and I should have them up. Thanks
Thomas
Joshinator 01-08-2010, 03:51 AM So.... how about them updates??? :flipoff2:
Super Krew 01-20-2010, 12:28 PM Guys, very sorry for the lack of updates, but hasnt been the most progressive 3 weeks of my life. Work has been busy, and lots of family things in the month of Jan. Here is a few of what I have gotten done tho:
Motor mounts
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10259.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10261.jpg
Motor mounts and headers:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10260.jpg
Super Krew 01-20-2010, 12:41 PM http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10258.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10252.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10263.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10251.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10253.jpg
Super Krew 01-20-2010, 12:52 PM Engine oil and power steering coolers
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10269.jpg
Mounted
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10292.jpg
Wheels and Tires
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10265.jpg
Lower link material. 2.375x.450
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10267.jpg
Super Krew 01-20-2010, 01:13 PM http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10291.jpg
Ballistic tow points
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10262.jpg
"Lil" 47 spline ouverson shafts for the rear axle
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10270.jpg
Dana 80 diff
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10272.jpg
Started running hoses
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10293.jpg
Twistd Metal 01-20-2010, 01:36 PM I sure wish I could get this much done on my truck with "Not much time to work on it"!! Nice work
Moore87 01-20-2010, 02:17 PM The Frank
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/frankenheim.jpg
The left heim is a 5/8x3/4 the middle is 1 1/4x1 inch and then the Frankenheim from Evolution Machine. By far the coolest thing that will go on the rig, hands down
No one said anything so I guess I will. Holy fawk that is huge :eek:. I thought my 1.25" heims were huge
Super Krew 01-20-2010, 03:50 PM No one said anything so I guess I will. Holy fawk that is huge :eek:. I thought my 1.25" heims were huge
This is my favorite part of the entire rig. No joke. I actually had a friend that I used to work with at a local shop, ask me if I had bought 16 of them. Works very well for 1 links and wishbone 3 links. Had a few changes with the plans. No more propane. Going to run the Accel DFI with wide-band O2 sensors, and 2 step limiter. Got a friend localy that will tune it for free if purchased from him.
Thomas
Super Krew 01-23-2010, 08:21 AM Ok guys, I have been doing alot of looking while I have a lot of time, and need opinions. I have narrowed it down to two different injection kits. The Gen 8 Accel DFI, or the FAST XFI. The Accel kit is a good one, but it is a less complete kit than the FAST. Granted the FAST is a bit expensive. I looked into the Mass-flo set-up and even talked to Chris. He said to support my power output, I would need to run dual throttle bodies, which would add 1500 dollas to the bill, thus making it the most expensive of them all. Just looking for what you guys have experienced and what your take on it would be if you were in the market for injection. Thanks
Thomas
JQ FAB 1 01-23-2010, 01:48 PM Awesome build Thomas!:smokin: I just found your build thread. By the way do you own or run a shop?
krazylarry 01-23-2010, 06:39 PM this thing rocks more more
Super Krew 01-23-2010, 10:46 PM Awesome build Thomas!:smokin: I just found your build thread. By the way do you own or run a shop?
No sir, its just a hobby thing now. A very close friend has a personal shop, and we do our own work out of it. I have done work for other people, and worked at a shop in Houston for a while. Just kinda started to burn myself out on my hobby, and never wanted to work on my own stuff. You look at off-road stuff all day, and you want something else when ya go home. And the oil field pays way better anyway.
Thomas
ffp00ch214 01-24-2010, 06:36 AM the oil field pays way better anyway.
hell yeah .... where do you work?
Super Krew 01-24-2010, 08:14 AM hell yeah .... where do you work?
I work for Saipem America, which is a branch of ENI. Most of the stuff we do is in the gulf of mexico. We do completions for BP mostly, but also do all types of subsea construction. Pays them bills.
Thomas
Blazin_Mudder 01-24-2010, 04:32 PM heres an idea I had for injection... run dual tbi's, Howell sells a kit, but its a lil pricey. Anyways, I was thinkin run a tbi with a progressive nos setup but use propane instead. My theory is that where the tbi lacks on high horse motors the propane will come in and help it. Just an idea, and if its retarded, well flame away
FULLSIZECHEVYGUY 01-29-2010, 04:28 PM dual throttle bodies. You get the base kit from FAST, and for 800 bucks you get the 2nd throttle body and some linkage. Been looking into it for mine. So far FAST has got my full attention, but I dont know if I want the whole kit of the cheaper one minus the pump. Nice to see another chevy truggy, makes me want to change some stuff on mine. I was under a tight deadline for an event I wanted to attend and had to not make it as cool as I originally intended.
Super Krew 02-09-2010, 09:46 AM Well sorry for the lack of updates but I have been one busy mo fo. I have got some work done just haven't got the pics up yet. I am still waiting on a few major things to show up, and been helping a buddy in the final stages of his rig to get it going. But back to it hopefully soon since most of my distractions are over with. Will update pics tonight.
Thomas
monsterburban 02-09-2010, 03:04 PM SICK BUILD!!!! Super Sick!!! I can't wait to have facilities to build my own projects like this, in the mean time I will just admire yours. Keep up the good work.
Super Krew 02-10-2010, 05:57 PM Well I had everything set up and was looking forward to a productive day, when I go to leave work someone has broken into my truck.:mad3:. At fawking work. They got a breif case with blank checks, social number, bank account info. The works. Really put a damper on the motivation scale. I mean, what the hell do we pay security gaurds to patrol our parking lot for. Sorry, just venting. Hope to post some pics tomorrow.
Thomas
Super Krew 02-16-2010, 01:08 PM Ok I know that the progress has slowed to a krawl, but I have made alittle. Been helping finish up a friend of mines rig, then hit mine hot and heavy. Here is what I have gotten done the last few days.
Got the headlights mounted. Lightforce Blitz 240 HID's. Fits perfectly.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10387.jpg
Ron Davis heat exchanger for the trans. with bracket.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10390.jpg
Griffin trans cooler. Don't want any tranny problems.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10384.jpg
Passenger tube work and seat mounted
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10386.jpg
Super Krew 02-16-2010, 01:09 PM Ballistic dual Optima mount
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10377.jpg
And a little bit of chassis bracing
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10395.jpg
Hope to get the parts in this weekend for the axles so I can start to get those done, and get the suspension finished. Thanks
Thomas
Frittsx4 02-16-2010, 01:28 PM Looking awesome keep the pic's coming (keeping a eye on this one).
Bent and Twisted 02-22-2010, 04:17 PM I guess Ryan will be next, looking good T
90ctd 02-23-2010, 12:46 AM the tube work looks great, keep at it...
What's the fate of the crew cab?
Joshinator 02-23-2010, 03:46 AM What's the fate of the crew cab?
Scrap yard Yo! I heard scrap price is a penny a pound right now..... He's gonna make MILLIONS!
Super Krew 02-23-2010, 09:17 AM The krew cab will probably go to scrap as josh said. And even with a stripped down chassis and body I bet it still weighs 3500 lbs. The tractor can barely pick up one end so its still a pig. I hope to shed at least a ton with the new rig.
Thomas
MaXXis85 02-23-2010, 09:44 AM I doubt it thomas with all that over compensating you do LOL. Nice build. Seen pics on FB and finally got to see all of them on PBB.
adam765 02-23-2010, 09:47 AM im fucn dizzy now...:eek: thats some serious fab skills bro :eek: niiiice
Super Krew 02-23-2010, 10:41 AM I doubt it thomas with all that over compensating you do LOL. Nice build. Seen pics on FB and finally got to see all of them on PBB.
Thanks and I can only hope on the weight. The old krew was 7700 so I believe high 5's are definatly possible. I'm just wondering what the first serious breakage is gonna be. It was ring and pinions all the time in the krew at the end. I think I have that issue fixed now.
Thomas
timothyalderson 02-23-2010, 11:35 AM Dang! No new Pics?? haha Get r done
Blackdog76 02-24-2010, 12:10 AM well worth the wait
SICK5 02-24-2010, 03:36 AM You need to get this thing rolling so we can see what its gonna look like.
rfr002 03-05-2010, 09:36 PM Didn't know you had a build thread going until Josh told me today. Been checking out the pics on FB, though.
Looks awesome!
silver98Z71 03-27-2010, 07:21 PM Anything new yet?
Power Giant 03-29-2010, 10:33 AM I really like your build. I'm just wondering why you chose to use a cab shell at all. Maybe for safety reasons? Maybe it's just me, but I think it would have still looked good with just tubing and panel work. Keep up the good work.
Joshinator 03-31-2010, 02:47 PM Anything new yet?
Yeah, he's been working on it, he just hasnt updated the thread.
And as far as why he used a cab at all...... pretty sure its because he wanted to.:flipoff2:
Super Krew 03-31-2010, 07:19 PM Sorry guys, I have been making progress just too busy to post updates. I will try tomorrow if I get a free moment. Thanks josh for explaining. Keep ya posted
Thomas
Super Krew 04-05-2010, 03:05 PM Well its been a while, but here is some updates. Its not much but its something
Got the Dana 80/rockwell hybrid housing done:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10400.jpg
Started to build the truss to hold the Frankenheim. I might add that this is not an easy task. Its all 3/16 scabbed with 1/8"
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10403.jpg
Super Krew 04-05-2010, 03:09 PM Here is what it looks like with the truss boxed in:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10405.jpg
Next I got it under the rig with the help of a few plumb bobs.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10433.jpg
Some more of the axle bracing:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10440.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10437.jpg
Super Krew 04-05-2010, 03:16 PM Steering. The upper arm is just for double shear
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10438.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/cantilever.jpg
Got the cantilever arms hooked up, and to my delight, I got 8" of travel from only 6" of shock. That will make a total of 21 inches of total travel from a 16" shock
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/suspension.jpg
Close up of the upper wishbone mount:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10434.jpg
Since the rear is done for the most part, I have turned my attention on the front axle. I used 1" of the factory tube outside the housing and machined down the new tube to press into the factory, and simply welded the two together. The new tube is 3 1/2" x 3/4". should be strong enough. Now I just have to wait on some parts to show up so I can get the links and shocks under it.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/frontaxle.jpg
Thanks Thomas
pennsylvaniaboy 04-05-2010, 03:19 PM so wats the advantage to a d80/rockwell hybrid?
Super Krew 04-05-2010, 03:24 PM I had a eaton/rockwell hybrid and broke it. 80 has a bigger ring gear. As far as why this over just a rockwell, just had the parts and I wanted to be able to keep it low. Couldn't do it with a front rockwell and the way I have it setup. But there isnt much of a weight difference, so I really have no good answer. Ya got me, other than just trying to be different.
Thomas
leeman1790 04-05-2010, 03:40 PM Great work, looks sick.
Joshinator 04-05-2010, 06:25 PM Lookin good Thomas. One question for ya.... have you figured out the neighborhood of your belly height?
pennsylvaniaboy 04-05-2010, 06:55 PM I had a eaton/rockwell hybrid and broke it. 80 has a bigger ring gear. As far as why this over just a rockwell, just had the parts and I wanted to be able to keep it low. Couldn't do it with a front rockwell and the way I have it setup. But there isnt much of a weight difference, so I really have no good answer. Ya got me, other than just trying to be different.
Thomas
nothing wrong with different:beer:
Super Krew 04-05-2010, 07:03 PM Josh, as it sits, which is ride height, its at 24 inches. Not too much but not too little. Kinda in the middle. But it is perfectly flat. At ride height it will have 8 inches of up travel all around.
Joshinator 04-05-2010, 07:14 PM Target wheel base?
Super Krew 04-05-2010, 07:21 PM That would be 128 my friend. That's what I have it setup at. That way all my lower links are the same length. Makes spares easy.
thetank98xj 04-05-2010, 07:21 PM build looks amazing great job. cant wait to see more progress pics
Joshinator 04-05-2010, 07:28 PM That would be 128 my friend. That's what I have it setup at. That way all my lower links are the same length. Makes spares easy.
That should put us pretty close to the same considering tire size differences. This is gonna be fun, Hurry Up Already!! :grinpimp:
MNtal 04-05-2010, 07:48 PM Truck looks great, curiouse to see updates keep up the good work:beer:
Couple questions as I envy your Axle selection,
So what do you have planned to get the Rockwell 16 spline to work in the D80Center section. Are you going to have the Side gear's Wire'd out or Broached or do you plan to just put rockwell sides in the 80 carrier and weld them up Or do you have something trick up your sleeve?
Oh what WMS did you build the Rear too and what did you plan for the front?
Since your Getting Reid C's and Knuckles that are based off the D70 Knuckles. Would you be able to possibly put a Rockwell shaft in them and snap a picture I'm Curiouse to know if they would fit. But not enough to buy a set to find out, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks,
Geoff,
ridered3 04-05-2010, 07:57 PM I had a eaton/rockwell hybrid and broke it. 80 has a bigger ring gear. As far as why this over just a rockwell, just had the parts and I wanted to be able to keep it low. Couldn't do it with a front rockwell and the way I have it setup. But there isnt much of a weight difference, so I really have no good answer. Ya got me, other than just trying to be different.
Thomas
Can you post pictures of the Eaton/Rockwell hybrid? I would be interested in seeing that for sure!
Super Krew 04-05-2010, 08:46 PM Truck looks great, curiouse to see updates keep up the good work:beer:
Couple questions as I envy your Axle selection,
So what do you have planned to get the Rockwell 16 spline to work in the D80Center section. Are you going to have the Side gear's Wire'd out or Broached or do you plan to just put rockwell sides in the 80 carrier and weld them up Or do you have something trick up your sleeve?
Oh what WMS did you build the Rear too and what did you plan for the front?
Since your Getting Reid C's and Knuckles that are based off the D70 Knuckles. Would you be able to possibly put a Rockwell shaft in them and snap a picture I'm Curiouse to know if they would fit. But not enough to buy a set to find out, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks,
Geoff,
To answer your question, I had my machinist make a piece that presses into the 80 carrier, and the rockwell 16 spline spiders press into it, then mr lincoln bonds them together, followed by stress relieving.
It is built to the same specs as a 14 bolt, and the exact number escapes me. The front will be the same as a standard chevy Dana 60. As far as the rockwell shafts in the reid c's and knuckles, I'm pretty sure the won't fit, but I will get ya a pic for your curiosity.
And ridered3, I will see if I can find you a pic, as that axle donated its organs, and is now in a better place.
Thanks Thomas
the_white_shadow 04-06-2010, 02:53 PM Nice work sir. I just noticed that you are in Sealy. I am in East Bernard. Small world. I like the build ALOT.
Super Krew 04-06-2010, 06:48 PM Nice work sir. I just noticed that you are in Sealy. I am in East Bernard. Small world. I like the build ALOT.
Man, talk about a small world. I've seen ya post on here but never saw where you were from. Have to come hang out at the shop with us. Hopefully one day this bucket will be up and running. I'm playing the waiting game at the moment. 12voltguy said my panel should be here early next week. And my link hardware and brackets also. Just doing a bunch of sucky, stay busy stuff now. I don't know whyh, but I hate doing the crossmembers for the cases, but I do. I think its cause I have to get my fat ass up and down all day. Oh well, updates soon
Thomas
Beans 04-06-2010, 07:22 PM Motor pic:
Cutting brakes mounted
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/SDC10245.jpg
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OK thats a trick steering column. Where did you get the parts to build it. Mine is shot in my truck and well was thinking about fabing something out of old race parts I have laying around until I saw this.
Super Krew 04-06-2010, 08:17 PM OK thats a trick steering column. Where did you get the parts to build it. Mine is shot in my truck and well was thinking about fabing something out of old race parts I have laying around until I saw this.
Well I got it from poly performance but psc sells them also. I think it was like a hundred bucks or so. It is sometimes worth the money to just buy some things man. But thank you for the compliment.
Thomas
Joshinator 04-06-2010, 09:46 PM I think its cause I have to get my fat ass up and down all day.
WINNAR!!! :flipoff2:
MNtal 04-07-2010, 10:08 AM Well I got it from poly performance but psc sells them also. I think it was like a hundred bucks or so. It is sometimes worth the money to just buy some things man. But thank you for the compliment.
Thomas
Was actually looking at buying one yesterday.
Steering Column
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=584003
Daddybop 04-08-2010, 05:36 AM The kid's got skills, maybe he will amount to something someday. Love you #1 Son, see you when I get this rig over the horizon. I see where Katemcy is back. Maybe we scout the Frio area next month.
M-1028 04-08-2010, 07:30 AM The kid's got skills, maybe he will amount to something someday. Love you #1 Son, see you when I get this rig over the horizon. I see where Katemcy is back. Maybe we scout the Frio area next month.
DAAANG, what up Mr. E? It's been a while old man, hope to see ya when you get back.
Super Krew 04-08-2010, 07:51 AM Well well well, pirate now has one more cold heart now. Just messing with ya dad. Good to hear from ya. Hope to see yha soon. Love ya
Thomas
Blazin_Mudder 04-08-2010, 02:01 PM any way of gettin a built up on your axles? They look awesome, so figured I'd ask. Keep up the great work
Super Krew 04-08-2010, 03:28 PM any way of gettin a built up on your axles? They look awesome, so figured I'd ask. Keep up the great work
Yeah, I am currently waiting on the some parts for the front axle, and as soon as it is done, I will do a write up on them. Thanks for the kind words
Thomas
Daddybop 04-08-2010, 05:30 PM DAAANG, what up Mr. E? It's been a while old man, hope to see ya when you get back.
William! Wonderful to speak with you again. Yeah, I'm ready to hang with the boys for a while, preferably on the trail somewhere.
Joshinator 04-09-2010, 04:04 AM William?? What the Fuck? There's no B or J in William! :flipoff2:
Daddybop 04-09-2010, 04:44 AM William?? What the Fuck? There's no B or J in William! :flipoff2:
It's an inside joke Josh. BJ knows what I mean. Hope I see you soon too.
Beans 04-09-2010, 08:13 AM Was actually looking at buying one yesterday.
Steering Column
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=584003
I went to my local truck shop and they had one on the shelf. I might have to go get it this weekend. Played with it for a bit on the display they had and looks killer and the adjustment is easy to use too.
Blazin_Mudder 04-09-2010, 12:07 PM cant wait to see this build finished. Cant even imagine how sweet it'll look. You've got some crazy fab skills. Keep it up
Daddybop 04-10-2010, 04:17 PM Well, since SuperKrew keeps posting I'll show you where he draws his inspiration........I have been a trend setter all along and don't all you rockheads start copying all my good ideas. So without further preamble may I present: Daddybop's Custom Crawlerhttp://http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz41/brazoswader/Chili%20Crab/CustomStreetRod.jpg
Daddybop 04-10-2010, 04:19 PM Well, Epic Fail. (slinks away in shame)
Daddybop 04-10-2010, 04:20 PM Maybe?
http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz41/brazoswader/Chili%20Crab/CustomStreetRod.jpg
ffp00ch214 04-10-2010, 06:33 PM Id drive it:homer:
Super Krew 04-22-2010, 07:14 AM Not a whole lot thats new, just waiting onm parts. I did however get my panel from 12voltguy. All I can say is DANG! He does art work with wires and switches. Recommend him to anyone.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/untitled.jpg
Thomas
K5HUERO 04-22-2010, 07:19 AM more cage:
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/superkrew/new%20rig/0122.jpg
custom "rolled" tube
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/superkrew/new%20rig/0073.jpg
rear frame work and shock mounts
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/superkrew/new%20rig/0054.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/superkrew/new%20rig/0035.jpg
if you look closely at the second to last pic, you will notice that it is a cantilever rear suspension. I can get 18 inches of travel out of a 16 inch shock and the shock load is always vertical, never sideloaded. I will post more on this later on. And if you are wondering, i am gonna be running ori struts.
what kind of tubing are you using? I tried to read it,,,but that can't be 1-1/4" tubing & it's made in turkey???????
MNtal 05-06-2010, 04:27 PM To answer your question, I had my machinist make a piece that presses into the 80 carrier, and the rockwell 16 spline spiders press into it, then mr lincoln bonds them together, followed by stress relieving.
It is built to the same specs as a 14 bolt, and the exact number escapes me. The front will be the same as a standard chevy Dana 60. As far as the rockwell shafts in the reid c's and knuckles, I'm pretty sure the won't fit, but I will get ya a pic for your curiosity. And ridered3, I will see if I can find you a pic, as that axle donated its organs, and is now in a better place.
Thanks Thomas
Update And ??? :D
subscribed, interested to see this rear suspension work. :smokin:
stealthcammo1 06-16-2010, 04:10 AM what kind of tubing are you using? I tried to read it,,,but that can't be 1-1/4" tubing & it's made in turkey???????
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Super Krew 06-16-2010, 09:04 AM what kind of tubing are you using? I tried to read it,,,but that can't be 1-1/4" tubing & it's made in turkey???????
Its a special tubing that I have made just for me. Haha, just messin, its pipe. I know, I know. It might ruin the entire build for some, but I love the stuff. Used it for years on many different rigs. Hold up good, and its cheap. And before you preach to me about it, there are many different grades of pipe, and mine is the highest. Its stronger than HREW, but a smidge less than DOM. I have a bunch of new pics I need to load up tonight. The front axle is assembled, and the suspension is done.
Thomas
jettscott 06-16-2010, 09:25 AM Subscribed. From one Gulf brother to another, be safe.
Super Krew 06-16-2010, 09:53 AM Subscribed. From one Gulf brother to another, be safe.
Thanks man. You too. Its crazy out here these days
Thomas
MNtal 06-16-2010, 11:09 AM Haha, just messin, its pipe. I know, I know. It might ruin the entire build for some, but I love the stuff.
Thomas
SHHHHHH... don't tell anyone!!! Thats suposed to stay a secret!!!
Ahh who am I kidding, Mine's Pipe too... :lmao:
jettscott 06-16-2010, 11:11 AM Thanks man. You too. Its crazy out here these days
Thomas
You ain't kidding... I'm waiting for protesternazis to start showing up at the heliport. GB 426 Auger, catch out of Amelia, You?
Super Krew 06-16-2010, 11:26 AM Most of our work is for BP and we fly out of Houma. Our next 4 jobs were supposted to be off of the Deepwater Horizon. Its very humbling.
Thomas
muddyblzr 06-16-2010, 02:11 PM needs more money signs
Blase 06-16-2010, 02:43 PM Needs more pictures. Great job keep up the good work. i like the different approach to the axles. Custom=Cool in my book:D
Super Krew 06-16-2010, 04:33 PM Just a couple pics of the front end. I have 16 inches of travel only using 13 inches of shock. Lookin good so far.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/32451_1307545895140_1425349104_2-1.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/32491_1305763330577_1425349104_2496.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/32491_1305763930592_1425349104_2496.jpg
Working on more.
Thomas
Super Krew 06-16-2010, 04:34 PM Opps, one more.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/32491_1305763570583_1425349104_2496.jpg
Just a couple pics of the front end. I have 16 inches of travel only using 13 inches of shock. Lookin good so far.
I didn't say anything when you posted the rear travel stats, but it seems to me in both instances you are gaining travel by placing additional leverage on the struts... thus increasing the weight/force on each strut on an already relatively heavy vehicle.
Just wondering if you anticipate any issues related to this?
MNtal 06-16-2010, 06:00 PM Are the uppers straight? or are they triangulated out at the frame, and in at the axle?
I like the geometry of your link placements and I think it is going to work well.
What are your plans uptravel at ride height?
Super Krew 06-16-2010, 06:54 PM I believe that the fronts will have a little more load than usual, but not the rear. That is the reason I went with the cantilevers. I don't believe I will have any issues, but if so, you live and learn. Hope not.
The uppers have 5 degrees of trianglation. Not much, juust alittle to help out the lowers. As far as uptravel at ride height, its 8" in the front and 9" in the rear with 21" belly for go fast. 6" front and 7" rear for crawling.
Thomas
MNtal 06-17-2010, 10:22 AM Sounds like a freaking Nasty Stance... :evil:
Did you have your link brackets Laser cut or buy them from somewhere?
The Shock mounts look hand made but its hard to tell.. Either way this thing rocks...
Super Krew 06-17-2010, 11:48 AM Link tabs are from Ballistic and Sniper Fab, but the shock mounts I did make.
Thomas
bggrnchvy 06-17-2010, 12:20 PM Are those 47's going to clear the uppers at lock?
Super Krew 06-17-2010, 12:49 PM Are those 47's going to clear the uppers at lock?
They should according to my measuring. I plan on getting some smaller tires for most of the places we go and for go fast. Probably 42" kevlar mtrs, which with different rims will be much more roomy. If by chance the 47s hit, I will run some 1.5" spacers. I like it with spacers more anyway with the H1s. They are kinda narrow, and heavy.
Thomas
Joshinator 06-17-2010, 07:28 PM Post the new picture Dammit!!!
Blackdog76 06-18-2010, 12:49 PM what grade of pipe are you using?
Super Krew 06-18-2010, 03:15 PM Ok, had a late night, but got some progress done. The tires clear the links, which was a big relief. I am not going to grind on the steering stops, as to keep my RCVs together. All looks good. This pic was taken at full bump. I am very pleased with everything thus far. Hope you like it.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/35454_1310075278373_1425349104_2508.jpg
Thomas
Super Krew 06-18-2010, 03:16 PM what grade of pipe are you using?
Its the A53. Its the strongest form of sch 40 to my knowledge. There is some sch 80 stuff in there as well.
Thomas
Montana_BLZIN 06-18-2010, 06:10 PM oh man dude sick lookin truggy its coming together nicely
scot
bgreen 06-18-2010, 09:20 PM Sick build!
Beans 06-18-2010, 09:26 PM All I can say is wow.
Blase 06-21-2010, 08:32 AM Pimp!!
MNtal 06-23-2010, 10:29 AM Sounds like a freaking Nasty Stance... :evil:
Did you have your link brackets Laser cut or buy them from somewhere?
The Shock mounts look hand made but its hard to tell.. Either way this thing rocks...
yup freaking nasty...
speedmontzj 06-23-2010, 02:10 PM maybe i missed it but i didn't see it. what are the specs oin the motor. bbchevy, what ci and what kind of heads?
American 06-23-2010, 02:16 PM ERROR: rig too sick. Cannot comprehend.
onlyifihadachevy 06-23-2010, 03:30 PM speeds it's on the first post.
speedmontzj 06-23-2010, 09:07 PM speeds it's on the first post.
i looked at that 2 times and i swear i didn't see it. i r a dumbass.
still completely badass. you don't have any cam specs do you? lift maybe. i wanting to build my bigblock and trying to figure out how big of a cam i can get away with.
hmatiak 06-24-2010, 12:18 AM Are you using the seamless A53?
What are you paying per foot?
Super Krew 06-24-2010, 05:51 AM i looked at that 2 times and i swear i didn't see it. i r a dumbass.
still completely badass. you don't have any cam specs do you? lift maybe. i wanting to build my bigblock and trying to figure out how big of a cam i can get away with.
The motor is a 3/8" stroke 454, which makes it a 511ci. Its a Eagle crank and rods, with coated Mahle 12:1 pistons. 315cfm AFR heads. The cam is a Bullet custom grind hyd.roller with .675 gross lift with duration in the mid 300s( not 100% sure, I will check)
I had another one built that was similar with off the shelf parts and smaller heads and cam, and it made 760 horse. I didn't need it for a while, and my machinist had a guy come in needing a motor bad and in a hurry, and called and asked if I wanted to sell it. I aqgreed and made a little money to build this one alittle more "dialed in". All the parts match in other words. Hope this helps.
And yes I am using A53 and I can get a 21 foot stick for about 23 dollars.
Should have steerong pics up by this weekend.
Thomas
Super Krew 06-24-2010, 08:55 PM Couple pics of the steering ram mounted up
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/d538c461.jpg
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr177/SuperKrew/c508293a.jpg
Leaving for a few days, so no updates till Sunday
Thomas
TireFryerSS 06-24-2010, 09:28 PM If I can ever get my ass moved to Houston, I wanna be your friend and go for a ride in this bad mf'er :D
LowDown 06-24-2010, 09:55 PM How many degrees of steering are you getting without grinding the steering stops? I only saw about 25* using the same parts you have. Grinding the steering stops and grinding the outer knuckles brought it to about 35*
American 06-24-2010, 10:25 PM So is there a part that ISN'T bad ass?
Super Krew 06-25-2010, 07:56 AM If I can ever get my ass moved to Houston, I wanna be your friend and go for a ride in this bad mf'er :D
Come on with it! I can't wait to drive it.
Lowdown, I'm not 100% sure, but 25* seems correct. With the rear steer, I should be ok. I think that people grinding their stops is the reason people are destroying RCVs.
American, I hope it stays that way. A magazine cover is kinda what I want.
Thanks for the words
Thomas
Joshinator 06-25-2010, 04:37 PM Hurry up Eazy!
Lucky_Thirteen 06-25-2010, 04:40 PM Hurry up Eazy!
This^^
Absolutely love this thing
silver98Z71 06-25-2010, 05:35 PM A magazine cover is kinda what I want.
Years from now we'll say, "Do you remember that guy with the ballin' single cab Chevrolet on steering D80s?" "Yeah man. He was kind of a big deal."
Joshinator 06-26-2010, 12:42 AM Years from now we'll say, "Do you remember that guy with the ballin' single cab Chevrolet on steering D80s?" "Yeah man. He was kind of a big deal."
As if his head wasnt big enough..... you had to go and say that!!!
bronkho31 06-26-2010, 08:48 AM Very nice looking rig.....keep er going....
Super Krew 06-27-2010, 09:07 AM As if his head wasnt big enough..... you had to go and say that!!!
Words spoken from a true jack in the box. Haha, its all good.
Looks like progress will be held up for a bit. I'm getting shipped to oil leak ground zero. We will be landing and locking the new BOP and hopefully killing this leak. I love offshore time. That's when I order all the good parts. Got some new pics I will load out there. Wish me luck.
Thomas
Joshinator 06-27-2010, 09:25 AM Words spoken from a true jack in the box. Haha, its all good.
Thomas
Ya'll built my cage, i got a reason for the huge hat rack! Good luck out there Bub... Come back Famous!
Chevymudder 06-29-2010, 02:46 PM you got a sick build goin on im in the process of buildin my truggy
just lookin for a cheap place to buy pipe
i know ur using A53 SCH40 but where are you getting a 21ft stick for $23?
and also what is the outer diameter of the stuff ur using?
Super Krew 06-29-2010, 03:33 PM you got a sick build goin on im in the process of buildin my truggy
just lookin for a cheap place to buy pipe
i know ur using A53 SCH40 but where are you getting a 21ft stick for $23?
and also what is the outer diameter of the stuff ur using?
We buy all of it from a place outside of Houston. Just our local joint. It went all the way up to $28 when metal got high. The OD is 1.66". It bends perfect in our 1 3/4 dies.
Thomas
Fernando Risso 06-29-2010, 03:52 PM Great build!
Have you ever run down your 4link numbers? Really interesting design, how long are the front uppers and lowers?
Chevymudder 06-29-2010, 04:40 PM We buy all of it from a place outside of Houston. Just our local joint. It went all the way up to $28 when metal got high. The OD is 1.66". It bends perfect in our 1 3/4 dies.
Thomas
alright thats like the exact size i need too
do you know if they would ship it?
cuz i live up here in idaho and i cant find a cheap place to buy tubing/pipe at all
Super Krew 06-29-2010, 04:51 PM I haven't run the numbers on a calculator. The lowers are 42" and the uppers are 38".
jackson76550 07-29-2010, 03:18 PM well you caught yourself on fire the other day......hopefully when you were welding on this thing so you could provide us with updates :D. looks great man
Red Chevy 07-29-2010, 05:46 PM Superkrew, r u still on the water? I have been working in Columbus since July 1st and completely forgot u were from Sealy! Will be going home in the morning, would have loved to seen this rig.
Joshinator 07-29-2010, 06:35 PM He's home, been home... been home plenty long enough for MORE UPDATES!! :flipoff2:
Super Krew 07-29-2010, 07:41 PM Hey guys, I'm at home, and have been for a couple weeks. Red Chevy, I get home around 430 or 5, if you haven't been through Sealy yet, send me a PM. Josh and Tim, I have been working on it alittle. But right now I am dealing with something in my life that has put a hurting on my motivation and drive. Sorry, but I have to get things right with my life before I can finish this thing. I will keep you updated when it happens. Sorry guys
Thomas
Joshinator 07-30-2010, 03:58 AM Thomas, dont appoligize to us, you take care of you. Thats whats important. I wish you the best in the challenges you're faced with. Hang in there Buddy, ita work out. Holla if ya need anything.
Josh.
SIKAZPHUC 08-18-2010, 09:12 AM absolutely sick ride, hope things go well for you.
J-man67 08-18-2010, 04:30 PM Fuggin AWESOME! These build threads kill hours at work.
63GMCKid 09-15-2010, 09:48 PM Updates? This thing is sick. :smokin:
cegusman 09-21-2010, 10:27 AM Thomas "Superkrew" has been to busy with his new boyfriend. He has no time to work on his rig at the moment. He has been doing alot of this lately.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs196.snc4/38119_411328667571_563352571_4715184_5950625_n.jpg
Sorry Thomas had too.
ridered3 01-27-2011, 09:58 PM Any updates???
Super Krew 01-28-2011, 07:10 AM Actually yes there are. I have been working on it again when we have time between preping the buggy for KOH. Once we get back from california I will start back up on it pretty heavy.
Thomas
Joshinator 01-28-2011, 04:15 PM Thank you Sweet Baby Jesus!!! Welcome back T-Boy, you've been missed.
jackson76550 01-28-2011, 04:45 PM I SEEN IT! there is some shiny new spots on it. cruisin the rhino around the other night must have got you inspired.
but it still saddens me that the rear suspension just isnt gonna work
Joshinator 02-17-2011, 08:26 PM Aiight.... KOH is over, Lets see some progress! :flipoff2:
Joshinator 02-17-2011, 08:28 PM Aiight T-Boy. KOH is over. Progress pics, Now! :flipoff2:
SmokinDuradog 02-20-2011, 04:38 AM I know you were talking about possibly some issues with dual MAF sensors and was wondering if that was because you couldn't find a single MAF to flow the required CFM or if you were having problems finding a EFI manifold that had a large enough Throttle Body. Here is a link to a fairly new EFI intake manifold that Edelbrock came out with for big blocks. We are using it on our 700hp boat engine. May be useless info but here it is anyway :)
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/efi/efi_chevy.shtml
K5runner@hotmail.com 02-20-2011, 03:11 PM Hey, that was fun at the KOH this year. Hopefully you can finish your shit, so we can go wheelin.:flipoff2:
Get some new pics up already.
I can't wait to see that truck run.
Super Krew 02-21-2011, 05:55 AM Hey, that was fun at the KOH this year. Hopefully you can finish your shit, so we can go wheelin.:flipoff2:
Get some new pics up already.
I can't wait to see that truck run.
Hey man, had a great time at KOH. It was cool to meet you guys. Next year, I will have my junk there.
I am making progress on it Josh. I need to take my camera out to the shop and get some good pics uploaded. I will try to do that either tonight or tomorrow. I will keep you guys posted
Thomas
Joshinator 02-21-2011, 11:42 AM Don't make me drive over there to see it! If it comes to that I'm bringing my truck, and leaving it! :D
Super Krew 02-21-2011, 02:14 PM Don't make me drive over there to see it! If it comes to that I'm bringing my truck, and leaving it! :D
That's all the convincing I need. I would really hate to see that thing again.....or your rig for that matter.:flipoff2:
Thomas
Joshinator 02-22-2011, 04:10 AM I'm glad to see you still dont care about my feelings. :flipoff2: Now, hush ya mouth, get to work before they move this thread to Chit Chat. :homer:
buchanan454 02-22-2011, 08:10 PM I might have missed it but what bender and die are you using to bend the pipe.
Super Krew 02-23-2011, 08:23 AM I might have missed it but what bender and die are you using to bend the pipe.
We have a Baileigh RDB-050 with 1 3/4 dies. It bends perfect
Thomas
jordanbenntt 02-23-2011, 10:09 AM wow, i real eye for detail! great build man cant wait to see it done
BAILEIGH INC. 02-23-2011, 02:43 PM We have a Baileigh RDB-050 with 1 3/4 dies. It bends perfect
Thomas
Yes.....yes it does!
gotblazers 02-23-2011, 11:26 PM Truly Fucking awesome man, Im late but Subbed regardless
Blase 03-09-2011, 03:15 PM Bump for the Sealy boys. What's up with this thing....K2 is open so this should be done....RIGHT?:flipoff2::D
Headed to Clayton now:D
Batchelor_Garage 03-14-2011, 05:38 AM Are you mig welding or Tig welding your cage? :D
Super Krew 03-14-2011, 08:38 AM I would love to tig weld it, but I will most likely just mig it. As of progress, I am in the process of moving but can't wait to hit it hard again
Thomas
e.gentle 03-19-2011, 02:38 PM hit me with some pics!!!!!!! im feenin!!!!!!
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