OK so we have a few people that are interested in longfields for their rover.
I did some checking for clearance in the swivel balls and I have doubts that the longfields will fit with the added length.
Anyone send him a swivel ball and associated parts for a real test fit? I have these parts for him to borrow if needed.

Anyone check on the price of the macnamarra kit to use toy CV's?(Sam?) this might be a better(cheaper) option for those that want to continue breaking parts.

TomW. Did I get the story straight that you broke the outer stub axle off the CV? If so then in your situation(wheels ~straight) the 110 CV(bell, balls and cage) was strong enough so in this situation the LF wouldn't of helped.

And we're still talking ~$300 for 110 CVs from UK. $150 for longfielding so were at $500 and that doesn't count the inner axles and drive flanges and different bearing or whatever is needed.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by roverhybrids
[B]OK so we have a few people that are interested in longfields for their rover.
I did some checking for clearance in the swivel balls and I have doubts that the longfields will fit with the added length.

I'm assuming by added length you are reffering to overall larger diameter of the CV bell, no? Is there any difference in OD between a 110 CV and a 32 spline CV. If not it can be done as Tyler Wirken has had his 32 spline CVs longfielded.

Johnathan

I'm assuming by added length you are reffering to overall larger diameter of the CV bell, no? Is there any difference in OD between a 110 CV and a 32 spline CV. If not it can be done as Tyler Wirken has had his 32 spline CVs longfielded.

Johnathan [/B]

The overall length of the bell portion of the CV is longer on the longfields. I didn't know anyone was actually using a set right now. To bad he wasted his money on the 32 spline and the internal parts aren't strong enough to break the stock bell.
This may answer the question though of weather or not they will fit with the added length.

The ring for ABS; which isn't machined for a 94/95 D90 is larger in OD than the 110CV; but I believe that the majority of the strength of the LF's comes from added length(~1/2")
So yes the OD can be(slightly) increased on the 110 CV's.
And apparently the length can be increased too?

I need to be looking into this quite seriously as well! I have maxidrive inners sitiing on my garage floor (23spline cv, 24 diffend) and am about ready to crack into the cv's. Heres what I want. I want to run 33-35's on a 6000lb disco without having to care much whether the front locker is engaged or not. In other words, I want to be able to go up an obstacle without having to think about my cv's while I'm on it, I dont plan to drive around fully locked up. Anyways, please enlighten me with what you think is the best option.


P.S. I am sick of wiating for the "new" cv's that Bill has coming out and at 599 a pop, not really interested in buying them either.:flipoff2:

To convert to the toy CV you need:

2 inner axles $660AUS (for the pair)
2 30 spline drive flanges $220AUS (for the pair)
And he also supplies a brass bush that is pressed into the spindle to support the toy CV carnt remember this price but it was something like $50AUS for the pair of them.

There needs to be some machining done on the spindle to fit the new brass bush and also the ID of the spindle needs to be opened up by about 1/16in so that the 30 spline axle can fit.

Then you got to buy the CVs.


Now I did look at the clearance of the rangie CV in the axle tube and I do think a longfielded version would work. The ring he welds on (looks like a bit of old 1/4 rod bent round in a circle and welded together) is on the end of the CV and half covers up the bell holes. Its not on the outside diameter, it would be on the end of the bell and at a diameter that is somewhat less than the bell OD so that it lies within the arc of the bell as it moves when steering. I think that it should fit. I am basing my judgement from looking at a toy longfield that a mate of mine (RUFF) put in the front of his hylux.



Its hard to know if a longfielded 110 CV will work cause the 23 spline rover axle is a lot bigger than the toy axle and this may cause the star to fail (and take out the CV and inner axle - this would be very expensive) It would work with the 32 spline cv as it would break the inner axle every time (which also would be expensive if using alloy axles but at least a stock axle will fit as a trail fix)

With the toy longfields they tend to break the inner axle only but they (guys in OZ, three of them that I wheel with) run stock inner axles which are cheap and easy to replace so they dont break their expensive CVs.


What Im doing is running the Rangie CVs which are 23spline inners and use an external 10 spline stub axle that pokes into the centre of the bell (the outer stub axle isnt part of the CV) So hopefully I just break the 10 spline stub axle and not my 30/23 spline Jac Mac inner axle. What Im thinking of doing then is getting these CVs longfielded (or similar - theres guys in OZ trying to do the same thing) and then I could run some Maxi drive 10 spline hytuff outers for more strength and still break the outers.

The thing is at the end of the day you will break something so you got to work out whats going to break and if you can make sure its a cheap part then that the best option.

The thing with the longfields is that they dont seem to fatigue so when my toy mates break something (inner axle) its at full load and they deserve it. With the longfeilds they dont have a cv break when they are doing something easy when the cv just decided to split in half. They are fully gettin it when they break.

FWIW

Sam

Originally posted by roverhybrids
OK so we have a few people that are interested in longfields for their rover.
I did some checking for clearance in the swivel balls and I have doubts that the longfields will fit with the added length.
Anyone send him a swivel ball and associated parts for a real test fit? I have these parts for him to borrow if needed.


I'm about to order 5 CV's ( 2 for a another Rover friend 1 to be long fielded and two for me )


Originally posted by roverhybrids

TomW. Did I get the story straight that you broke the outer stub axle off the CV? If so then in your situation(wheels ~straight) the 110 CV(bell, balls and cage) was strong enough so in this situation the LF wouldn't of helped.



Yup! it broke 1/4 to 1/8 inboard of flange! Kind of a new one!
I have yet to rip apart innards but with torque converters its easy to remove drive just by pulling the drive clutch.... and thats where the clean break was.... You wanna come down to see the rest and benifit from test longfield knowledge I do?

I'll get some pics tomorrow!

Originally posted by tomw


.... You wanna come down to see the rest and benifit from test longfield knowledge I do?


:confused:

Originally posted by roverhybrids

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Ok! I order the parts tomorrow, When they come in... come on down and we install em. make them measurements ( with the new Longfield I order )... and report to the list... I donate the cost of part you donate some labor ( we both know how to install.. So its not like your doing all the work , but two reporting to list gives more info for everyone..... we all win )

PS: Rv in remote storage till SD, so you have to stay in main house, prolly not a bad thing!

TomW!

i am running the same set up that Sam is running only put about 30 miles on it so far. it moves the weak link out to the wheel. when it breaks it should only take about 10 min to fix if you have steel wheels, which you don't even have to take off.

Drew

Just in case your curious as to what a Toyota 80 series front diff can take

http://www.orp.com.au/Mpegs/Storman99-0.wmv

wow, that is indeed inpressive! does anyone know the amount of work behind adapting these to abs equipped axles? not really well versed in this area, but does the toy 3rd memeber bolt in?

well, had I read ahead a bi, I would have answered my own question!

regardless, I have more! In sams setup, he states that he is running rangie cv's with the weak link being the stub axle. I think this is a wonderful idead and would like to setup my front end in a similar fashion. Is thre a product on the market, aside from Bill, that has this same benefit?

Originally posted by untrakdrover
well, had I read ahead a bi, I would have answered my own question!

regardless, I have more! In sams setup, he states that he is running rangie cv's with the weak link being the stub axle. I think this is a wonderful idead and would like to setup my front end in a similar fashion. Is thre a product on the market, aside from Bill, that has this same benefit?

My axle isnt quite in yet. Got all the bits but no time to put it together.

With the rangie CV they are almost identical in size to a 110CV (I think?????) and even with the stock 10 spline outers the CV will still fatigue and break (and not the 10spline outer). If I can get the rangie CV longfielded (the longfields dont seem to fatigue) then I think it will be a good setup which should only break the 10 spline outers.

Sam

Originally posted by untrakdrover
I need to be looking into this quite seriously as well! I have maxidrive inners sitiing on my garage floor (23spline cv, 24 diffend) and am about ready to crack into the cv's. Heres what I want. I want to run 33-35's on a 6000lb disco without having to care much whether the front locker is engaged or not. In other words, I want to be able to go up an obstacle without having to think about my cv's while I'm on it, I dont plan to drive around fully locked up. Anyways, please enlighten me with what you think is the best option.


P.S. I am sick of wiating for the "new" cv's that Bill has coming out and at 599 a pop, not really interested in buying them either.:flipoff2:


I here you about waiting for Bill's CV's. I am running 35's on a Rangie at about the weight you mentioned. I am also running the same inner axles you mentioned with stock D110 CV's. I ran through "Behind the Rocks" and "Prichette Canyon" in Moab with no regards to the front locker and everything seems to be holding up fine. I think the Longfielding of the CV's is the way to go if they will fit. I have yet to do this but have been contemplating sending my CV's that way for a test fit.

not quite sure if anyone has actually tried to size up a land cruiser third member to a rover housing but it would actually take quite a bit of machining to get it to work. The land cruiser third is signifcantly larger. Also what exactly does Bobby do to the cvs other than treat them? The rover cvs all ready have the flange welded on. Interresting thread because I'm getting to the point where I"m going to have to spend some money on the front end. I still think one of the best ideas was to buy mini van cvs from chrysler and cryo them and then just keep a spare or two because they really aren't that expensive. Definately keep us posted on the longfields and if they fit.

-ben

Remember that aftermarket CV's (non-genuine) are less than $99 plus shipping from the UK distributors. In fact Paddock Spares has them advertized for 58.16 pounds for all models of CV's in the latest issue of Land Rover Owner International October edition.

Billster

Originally posted by m016324
not quite sure if anyone has actually tried to size up a land cruiser third member to a rover housing but it would actually take quite a bit of machining to get it to work. The land cruiser third is signifcantly larger. Also what exactly does Bobby do to the cvs other than treat them? The rover cvs all ready have the flange welded on. Interresting thread because I'm getting to the point where I"m going to have to spend some money on the front end. I still think one of the best ideas was to buy mini van cvs from chrysler and cryo them and then just keep a spare or two because they really aren't that expensive. Definately keep us posted on the longfields and if they fit.

-ben


My understanding is that bobby does heat treat them but the biggest visual difference is that he welds a ring (something like a piece of 1/4 in rod bent into a circle and welded together) onto the end of the bell which half covers up the holes (groves) in the bell that the balls run in. I think that the welded on ring stops the end of the bell from cracking and also (I think that this is the biggest benefit) it stops the balls from getting out the end of the bell when on full lock.

Sam

Ben -

Best video clip I have seen!! Do you have more ?!?!?

That is a stock series 80 front differential but does it have the e-locker on it or is it open. must be open or WOW! I guess the rear is locked for sure..

either way that is sick!!

yep nevermind I figured it out.

http://www.orp.com.au/

Originally posted by TallBrad
yep nevermind I figured it out.



Ben ? BEN ??

Now you just have to figure out who posted the link .

( Yes , I did steal it from the TLC board )

Unless this is a time trial I personally thought that the guys driving skills need a little work .The reason that I thought I'd share was -How far would a stock front LR diff have gotten around that course ,before something let go if driven in the same manner ? .
The tires look to me to be 33" plus ? He's beating on that front diff like theres a reward if he breaks it ( the fact that I lack any driving skills will not be entered into during this disscussion ) .

yeah i think they are 36" or 38" super swamper SXs, havent seen the video in ages, its locked front and rear....

he is hardly caning that diff, you have to watch the videos of the abuse ruff gives his driveline

that will leave you in awe :flipoff2:

Originally posted by BJ On Roids
yeah i think they are 36" or 38" super swamper SXs, havent seen the video in ages, its locked front and rear....

he is hardly caning that diff, you have to watch the videos of the abuse ruff gives his driveline

that will leave you in awe :flipoff2:



BJ ,Do you know if the axles are standard in the front of that 80 series ? and as for the lockers ,are they ARB or factory Toyota ? Those front Toyota diffs sure beat Landy ones any day .

I've had the pleasure of watching Ruff in action on the waterfall track behind Sam's .Same trip as when the bloke in the LWB Nissan (who at the start said that he "rock crawled" ) managed to shorten the back of his rig ,and had to be winched up the big steps by Mick ,when he got jammed and couldn't go back or forwards .Apparently the bloke had a new outlook on "rockcrawling" at the end of the day .