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Old Scout

10-01-2002, 06:41 PM

Ok I'm hanging my 44044s and the hangers are looking kind of strange. It's too windy to weld so there just tacked up now. The angle and the tube is .250 wall so it's beefy. I'm thinking of tying the two together with some 1x1x.250
Funky or Fubar?

http://pics.montypics.com/Old_Scout/2002-10-01/getto.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/Old_Scout/2002-10-01/getto2.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/Old_Scout/2002-10-01/getto3.jpg

Hayraker

10-01-2002, 06:55 PM

I honestly can't decide, however, I do think if you can make it strong enough it will look good.

now, about that drag link, where can I buy one of those :flipoff2:

Baja Binder

10-01-2002, 06:56 PM

Looks like death waiting to happen. There must be a better way. I'd say put 'm back flush to the front as possible and cut the crap outta the fenders. I thought we measured them before and figured they did'nt have to stick way out like that......"fangs" are ugly, but that's plain FUGLY! IMHO:D

Scout Dude

10-01-2002, 06:58 PM

If you mean placing it all the way accross, I have seen this design look good and bad. However, if you just run some supports up at a 45º then you don't have a low hanging bar to snag on stuff. Make sense? Also, can you tack in a piece of what you are talking about so we can get a look or would you rather not cut a good piece of steel?

snoop dogg

10-01-2002, 07:05 PM

OS, you burnin' holes??:flipoff2: :p

jdjanda

10-01-2002, 07:06 PM

Hmm, can't decide, I assume you need to lower the hanger due to the length of the spring. But with some cross bracing it should turn out good, although your approaching Rock Fang status. How far forward from stock will the axle be?

jdjanda

10-01-2002, 07:07 PM

Oh, is the rear shackle through the frame?

mike

10-01-2002, 07:14 PM

Funktification, in the realm of "it'll probably work, but I wouldn't do it" ;)

Mechanos

10-01-2002, 07:38 PM

Ummm... I'm gonna have to vote FunkyFab. It looks like that design will be putting a substaintial bending moment on the diagonal piece (dropping down and forward) above the actual spring mount. If it was gusseted something like this......
http://www.mo-4xtoys.com/torc/OSfunkyfab.jpg
http://www.mo-4xtoys.com/torc/OSfunkyfab2.jpg
then it would stand a much better chance of holding. Like mentioned above, it is kinda encroaching upon 'rock fangs'. I struggled with this same problem when setting mine up and finally decided to do it like this....
http://home.kc.rr.com/torc/scout/frontSOA.jpg
which presents it's own set of problems. Since the front mounts are higher than the rear mounts, the axle will move a lot more rearward under compression than a 'normal' setup.

JoshC

10-01-2002, 08:00 PM

Wow OS. Looks like you are getting pretty close to a done deal! :beer:

Would you consider extending the frame and moving the cross member forward?

Old Scout

10-01-2002, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Hayraker

now, about that drag link, where can I buy one of those :flipoff2:

Look again it's a temp TIE ROD:flipoff2:

Old Scout

10-01-2002, 08:11 PM

Torc is this can not be a 44044??
http://home.kc.rr.com/torc/scout/frontSOA.jpg

Old Scout

10-01-2002, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by snoop dogg
OS, you burnin' holes??:flipoff2: :p

Miller 210 ! :flipoff2:

Mechanos

10-01-2002, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by Old Scout
Torc is this can not be a 44044??
http://home.kc.rr.com/torc/scout/frontSOA.jpg
Oh... you're right.... I meant to clearify that in my post but ended up leaving that part out. Those are GodJackers...eerr I mean SkyJackers 2"...... oooooppss.

Old Scout

10-01-2002, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Scout Dude
If you mean placing it all the way accross, I have seen this design look good and bad. However, if you just run some supports up at a 45º then you don't have a low hanging bar to snag on stuff. Make sense? Also, can you tack in a piece of what you are talking about so we can get a look or would you rather not cut a good piece of steel?

I'm thinking like this:
http://pics.montypics.com/Old_Scout/2002-10-01/frtview_01.jpg
out of 1x1x.250
OR
http://pics.montypics.com/Old_Scout/2002-10-01/frtview2.jpg

Is this what your thinking?

Old Scout

10-01-2002, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by jdjanda
status. How far forward from stock will the axle be?

3"

Here is Rusto's 44044 hangers

http://www.nwbinders.net/MemberRides/MarkA/q0000010.jpg

tsm1mt

10-01-2002, 09:50 PM

I'm with TORC and others on the "front to back" gusseting first off.

Those mounts will take a pounding when the front axle/tires are beating against rocks - gusset it for fore-and-aft movement first.

I like the "V" idea better, though maybe not V-ing all the way to the center, just some 45deg, or maybe 30-deg gussets in the corners going inboard, but why go all the way to the center?

Where's your bumper in all of this? Is it going to be tied into the angle you're using for the mounts, too?

I'm not sure if tying the bumper in is a good or bad idea. i.e. if your bumper fails, will your spring mounts fail with it? Bad enough having your winch rip itself off your rig.. worse if it takes half the rig with it. :D

I like Rusty's bigger tubing mounts better - seems stronger, with a lot more weld surface area.

Start with some bigger box tubing and put the spring inside the tubing, instead of a little "stand off" with a mount welded to it.

mike

10-01-2002, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Old Scout

3"

Here is Rusto's 44044 hangers

Thats roughly how I'd do it. I just dont like weird angles.

Scouter

10-01-2002, 10:12 PM

Extend the frame or use a shorter spring.

RustoleumWhite

10-01-2002, 10:37 PM

I like this picture better.... really should snap some new "finished" ones...

As you can see, I extended the frame 3", but didn't need to, if I were to do it again I would just weld them on 1/2 on, 1/2 off the frame then box betwen them, cutting out the cross member (like I did) and fabbing as new one.

IIRC, my wheel base is ~103... rear is stock springs, SOA w/extended shackels, so the front moved forward 3" or so.

Just don't "outboard" the springs like I did... with stock-width axles. Can you say my turnign radious SUCKS.... it will all be fixed soon... sooner I hope...

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~marka/PhotoAlbums/winchmounting/P0000007.sized.jpg

scoutver5.7

10-02-2002, 06:06 AM

I'd say do it like Rustys. That's the way I'm doin' mine.

I also plan on putting the rear shackles inside the frame so I don't have the problem with rearward movement like TORC will have and I have had for years. Makes for a good, smooth ride, but it makes it hard to keep the tires outta the firewall.

Shackles inside the frame will also keep the shackles from inverting by using the cutout to limit forward travel of the shackle.

Mechanos

10-02-2002, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by scoutver5.7
I also plan on putting the rear shackles inside the frame so I don't have the problem with rearward movement like TORC will have and I have had for years. Makes for a good, smooth ride, but it makes it hard to keep the tires outta the firewall..
I will find out soon after I get this engine reworked and put back together. When I was laying out the front spring mount locations and all, I started out by drawing the framerail and firewall to scale in CAD. With the 36's I have, my drawings show that with the most extreme rearward movement of the axle (when the springs are flat), I should still have clearance between the tires and firewall. Now with the wheels turned and at full stuff, that may very well result in contact. I'm also toying with the idea of redrilling the perches and moving the axle forward another 1".

That Mick

10-02-2002, 07:12 AM

OS

I think it's bootyfab.

Those angles look sick, not good sick, sick sick.

scoutver5.7

10-02-2002, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by Hayraker
now, about that drag link, where can I buy one of those :flipoff2:

I see ya already addressed the drag link issue, however, your "temp" drag link ain't much worse than Chiefys example in the Sweet high steer thread.

Old Scout

10-02-2002, 07:49 AM

A little CAD gift from are newest newbie.
RE-Work pics comming soon.

Looks good BEN:D

Old Scout

10-02-2002, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by scoutver5.7

I see ya already addressed the drag link issue, however, your "temp" drag link ain't much worse than Chiefys example in the Sweet high steer thread.

The 20' stick of 1.25" 4130 is on order! ( 4.35/ft btw) It's kind of hard rolling the axle around with the tires doing the major toe out thing. :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

That Mick

10-02-2002, 08:30 AM

The new plan, I like.

I think rusto's still has the edge, but now you've got some built in bracing.

Mechanos

10-02-2002, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Old Scout
A little CAD gift from are newest newbie.
RE-Work pics comming soon.

Looks good BEN:D http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=892553

I'm still a little concerned with the moment created by this scenario wanting to rotate the assembly (in the side view: spring mount rotating ccw pivoting around the frame rail) and tear it off the frame. I think I would add a strap welded to the underneath side of the mount and extending back about 6" or so on the frame rail. That would go a long way to help prevent the assembly to departing from the vehicle at an inopportune time.:D

Hooper

10-02-2002, 09:10 AM

Hehehehehe.

Old Scout

10-02-2002, 09:13 AM

The plan is to incorporate the winch mount into the spring hanger. It will add a ton of structure to the new "frame extension". Stay tuned for Ghetto fab II:D

T1H5_TA3

10-02-2002, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by Hooper
Hehehehehe.

i agree.. my 44044's aint broke.. i aint fix'n :flipoff2:
mine sit close enough to flat that im leaving the shackles up frunt, and my bumper works as a shackle gaurd..
besides.. i got other projects to tackle first..

Ben Segrest

10-02-2002, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by TORC
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=892553

I'm still a little concerned with the moment created by this scenario wanting to rotate the assembly (in the side view: spring mount rotating ccw pivoting around the frame rail) and tear it off the frame. I think I would add a strap welded to the underneath side of the mount and extending back about 6" or so on the frame rail. That would go a long way to help prevent the assembly to departing from the vehicle at an inopportune time.:D I would incorporate gussets like the ones that were drawn in earlier in the fab. I mentioned that to OS when I emailed the pic to him. I don't have CAD at home, so the drawings not to scale, sooo...I didn't know for sure how much room there would be for gussets. If need be, I'd say go with wider angle (what size angle is that again?), to put in the gussets. Also, whether you were to run a brace all the way across or not, I'd still put a gusset like the one shown in my pic. Oh yeah, a gusset at the bottom would be better than a gusset at the top if it's an issue (IMO).

p.s. Does anyone have a spare AutoCAD 14 or 2000 laying around? Paint was definitely not meant for that shit.

scoutver5.7

10-02-2002, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Hooper
Hehehehehe.

Ahhhh, Shut Up Pat! :D

Mechanos

10-02-2002, 11:01 AM

sorry, I'm a Microstation user.......

Hooper

10-02-2002, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by scoutver5.7

Ahhhh, Shut Up Pat! :D

LOL. <biting tongue>

Overkiller

10-02-2002, 11:45 AM

Wow:eek:, and to think I haven't posted pics of my front hangers for fear of getting reamed. The CAD doodles look a lot better though.
Travis

RustoleumWhite

10-02-2002, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by Old Scout
The plan is to incorporate the winch mount into the spring hanger. It will add a ton of structure to the new "frame extension". Stay tuned for Ghetto fab II:D

You see how my winch is mounted... right.

its too low/sticks out too far. And I have it pushed all the way as far back as I can to the radiator. A Hause style Fairlead would be better (the rollers stick out quite abit), but Next time I will mount it higher to gain more approch angle.

course, there is the move the engine and radiator back plan..... :D

I REALLY should snap a new picture of the "completed" set-up....