YouTube - Charlie Beck, LAPD Chief of Police introduces the LAPD Gun Unit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SotYYpPDgw)

Oh what fun.

if they really think guns are the problem, maybe they should lead by example and give up all theirs first.

he brags about having a giant city and a huge population but only 17 gun dealers and then jokes about arizona having that many gun dealers in a gas station. which one do you think has a lower crime rate?


edit: i just finished watching that and he makes no sense what so ever. what a tool :shaking:

edit again: nice how they have comments disabled from that video. i guess they don't want people posting facts opposing this loser's ideas.

You do know who Amy Brenneman is don't you?

She played Eady, Robert De Niors squeeze in Heat. So here's Amy Brenneman, a costar in a movie with perhaps the most choreographed shootout scene of yet, hosting an awards ceremony championing the prevention of gun violence.:laughing:

How ironic...:flipoff2:

I didn't even catch that. I think I need to repost this...
YouTube - HEAT - Downtown Shootout (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONHHdjyyVHo)

Oh, yeah, make it even more difficult for the inocent to get a gun. Next, they'll be taking them away, and they'll know where to find them cause they are registered. That worked really well in England. When will they learn?
http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/01/gun-controls-twisted-outcome

I saw this a couple weeks back and commented on it on Cal Guns. He's lying. Not that we didn't know that already but I am guessing the number of FFL's in LA County at well over 200(201 if you count me. :D) There are at least 15 within 20 miles of me in Northern LA county.
Last I heard the number of ccw's issued by LAPD was in the single digits but the number issued by LASD is at least in the double digits.

I also got an immense amount of satisfaction sending my form 07 to Sheriff Baca knowing he can't do a damn thing about it. :D

he's been to about a thousand homicides and 90% of those were caused by a handgun? if they were killings caused by handguns, then by definition, they aren't homicides at all. now if they were killings caused by another person, sure, they are homicides. it is impossible for a homicide to be caused by a handgun or any other gun.

I believe I have finally figured out why the mayor of LA says "uh" so much in every speech he gives. He can't think with all the people like Beck sucking him off constantly.

I saw this a couple weeks back and commented on it on Cal Guns. He's lying. Not that we didn't know that already but I am guessing the number of FFL's in LA County at well over 200(201 if you count me. :D) There are at least 15 within 20 miles of me in Northern LA county.
Last I heard the number of ccw's issued by LAPD was in the single digits but the number issued by LASD is at least in the double digits.

in fairness to him, he is referring to la city, not la county when he is talking about the 17 dealers and the number of ccw's.

in fairness to him, he is referring to la city, not la county when he is talking about the 17 dealers and the number of ccw's.

Eh, I haven't watched it in a few weeks. That being said, the LAPD gun unit is widely know for being corrupt and stupid. I'd believe only 17 in LA city. The city has ridiculous restrictions on small handguns and even any accessories for them. Stupid restrictions on ammo. He wants those kool aid drinkers to believe it's due to rabid enforcement and driving out bad dealers. Instead, no one living in LA wants an FFL due to rabid corruption in the gun unit and the stupid laws.

Soooo....

They clap at 17 dealers?
Is their motto to put out of business those who are law abiding?
Clap at 23 ccw's? Then mention only those who are serious should have ccw's? Is he telling me that there are only 23 people who are serious? How could anyone take HIM seriously if he means what he says? What a buffoon! :shaking:

Every serious person should have a gun w/a ccw. I'm damn sure there's more than 23....through the "lawful" process.

Seems this process is...you guessed it....corrupt. :mad3:

You do know who Amy Brenneman is don't you?

She played Eady, Robert De Niors squeeze in Heat. So here's Amy Brenneman, a costar in a movie with perhaps the most choreographed shootout scene of yet, hosting an awards ceremony championing the prevention of gun violence.:laughing:

How ironic...:flipoff2:

wait, when that happened for reals, only the guys with the illegal full auto AK's died. the police, outgunned, undermanned, etc..., borrowed rifles from a gun store and were able to fulfill their sworn duty.

at least that's the way i remember it...

I believe I have finally figured out why the mayor of LA says "uh" so much in every speech he gives. He can't think with all the people like Beck sucking him off constantly.

a teleprompter clears that shit right up.

wait, when that happened for reals, only the guys with the illegal full auto AK's died. the police, outgunned, undermanned, etc..., borrowed rifles from a gun store and were able to fulfill their sworn duty.

at least that's the way i remember it...

Oh cali fixed that. Now you see every cop with a real functioning 30 round magged AR in his car and we have to deal with bullet buttons and monsterman grips.:shaking:

I hope you "social workers with badges" feel better that you have the people who pay your wage outgunned.

I'm really starting to hold LEO's in Cali suspect. It used to be an "us and them" mentality between the cops and the bad guys. Nowadays, it feels more like an "us and them" mentality between the cops and the general public. Not to mention how the fuck can you work for an organization like that?



I like to think me and most LEO's are on the same side. The local sheriff up here is a great guy. How many LEO's under that puke Beck are supportive of what he is saying, there? Who are they recruiting for LE nowadays? If that's who the cops are turning into, well fuck 'em.

A well aimed Garand can still kill them right through their crown vic.

Oh cali fixed that. Now you see every cop with a real functioning 30 round magged AR in his car and we have to deal with bullet buttons and monsterman grips.:shaking:

I hope you "social workers with badges" feel better that you have the people who pay your wage outgunned.

I'm really starting to hold LEO's in Cali suspect. It used to be an "us and them" mentality between the cops and the bad guys. Nowadays, it feels more like an "us and them" mentality between the cops and the general public. Not to mention how the fuck can you work for an organization like that?



I like to think me and most LEO's are on the same side. The local sheriff up here is a great guy. How many LEO's under that puke Beck are supportive of what he is saying, there? Who are they recruiting for LE nowadays? If that's who the cops are turning into, well fuck 'em.

A well aimed Garand can still kill them right through their crown vic.

and that's why i asked that other question. it seems they might be legislating to an answer. so i assume they might litigate (?) to a solution?

feel free to correct my terms...

wait, when that happened for reals, only the guys with the illegal full auto AK's died. the police, outgunned, undermanned, etc..., borrowed rifles from a gun store and were able to fulfill their sworn duty.

at least that's the way i remember it...

i think the did borrow ar's from a local gun store but didn't get a chance to use them. i am pretty sure one of the bad guys shot himself in the head and then it was swat officers that finally shot the other one.

i sure as fuck know what i would do now if i were a gun store owner in la and the pd came in asking to borrow weapons. i'd ask them if the acronym gfy means anything to them.

I'd ask them if the acronym gfy means anything to them.

and then they would use the powers granted to them by ab532 and seize your weapons because you were "behaving in a threatening manner and were a danger to yourself and others."

could you shoot them as they were "robbing " you and "stealing" your weapons?

i think the did borrow ar's from a local gun store but didn't get a chance to use them. i am pretty sure one of the bad guys shot himself in the head and then it was swat officers that finally shot the other one.

i sure as fuck know what i would do now if i were a gun store owner in la and the pd came in asking to borrow weapons. i'd ask them if the acronym gfy means anything to them.

yes, my point exactly... the evil, illegally converted AKfuck'n47, killed no-one.

the body armored serbian bank robbers died. the local gun store helped.




truth is so much stranger than fiction.:D

Oh cali fixed that. Now you see every cop with a real functioning 30 round magged AR in his car and we have to deal with bullet buttons and monsterman grips.:shaking:

I hope you "social workers with badges" feel better that you have the people who pay your wage outgunned.

I'm really starting to hold LEO's in Cali suspect. It used to be an "us and them" mentality between the cops and the bad guys. Nowadays, it feels more like an "us and them" mentality between the cops and the general public. Not to mention how the fuck can you work for an organization like that?



I like to think me and most LEO's are on the same side. The local sheriff up here is a great guy. How many LEO's under that puke Beck are supportive of what he is saying, there? Who are they recruiting for LE nowadays? If that's who the cops are turning into, well fuck 'em.

A well aimed Garand can still kill them right through their crown vic.

An organization as large as LAPD, the agency head tends to be detached and removed from the grunts on the ground and reality in general. Unfortunately they tend to be the public face of that agency and not the real one..........

I read a news brief telling of some of those AR being stolen from parked cruisers, so are they leaving guns in the cars ?






edit...I couldn't even watch teh whole vid, I felt like throwing up...

An organization as large as LAPD, the agency head tends to be detached and removed from the grunts on the ground and reality in general. Unfortunately they tend to be the public face of that agency and not the real one..........

yeah, but this is california :(

and then they would use the powers granted to them by ab532 and seize your weapons because you were "behaving in a threatening manner and were a danger to yourself and others."

Most gun stores I know in LAPD jurisdiction would be, ah, adverse to a hostile takeover.I know a lot of LAPD officers, like more than 30 on a first name basis, not one of them has told me he likes Beck. All I hear is, " Oh Beck came up, he knows what it's like", what I hear from officers is, " He's a douche bag who has forgotten what it's like and now sucks off the teat of donors and the Mayor."

Most gun stores I know in LAPD jurisdiction would be, ah, adverse to a hostile takeover.I know a lot of LAPD officers, like more than 30 on a first name basis, not one of them has told me he likes Beck. All I here is, " Oh Beck came up, he knows what it's like", what I here from officers is, " He's a douche bag who has forgotten what it's like and now sucks off the teat of donors and the Mayor."

i hope this is true.
the problem is these libtards plant a seed, and it takes root. evaluations and advancement are a part this inbred system, obama is a proof.

An organization as large as LAPD, the agency head tends to be detached and removed from the grunts on the ground and reality in general. Unfortunately they tend to be the public face of that agency and not the real one..........

All I here is, " Oh Beck came up, he knows what it's like", what I here from officers is, " He's a douche bag who has forgotten what it's like and now sucks off the teat of donors and the Mayor."

I hope that's the case, guys. Again, with people like this calling the shots in LE, what kind of person are they looking to recruit and give badges too?

How many LA cops are in Oathkeepers?

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What does Oathkeepers have to do with anything? I don`t need to belong to some group to stay true to my values and beliefs. Besides, when SHTF I don`t need my name showing up their computers. :grin:

could you shoot them as they were "robbing " you and "stealing" your weapons?

You are deffinately better off living at least two states away from Cali :laughing:

What does Oathkeepers have to do with anything? I don`t need to belong to some group to stay true to my values and beliefs. Besides, when SHTF I don`t need my name showing up their computers. :grin:


In other words, if your superiors found out you joined, you'd get canned?

Maybe you don't need to be part of a specific group to stay true to your beliefs but, if you want those values protected(and the freedom we once knew preserved), now is the time to be proactive.

Your statement is like the equivalent of a gun owner saying "I don't need to join the NRA to know more restrictive gun laws are dumb."

In other words, if your superiors found out you joined, you'd get canned?

Nope. You don't understand the dynamics of political thought of where I work. There is no left leaning political thought out of the certified LEO staff of my department. In fact, I dare say I'm the most liberal out of the group and I'm pretty damn conservative in most of my thoughts.


Your statement is like the equivalent of a gun owner saying "I don't need to join the NRA to know more restrictive gun laws are dumb."

And what if me, the gun owner doesn't believe in the way the NRA does business, does that make me a bad guy. Maybe I belong to another gun rights group and maybe I don't. That's not germane to the conversation.

Look, I understand that you come across as one of these people who believe that every fly by night group claiming to uphold the values needs to have a a platform in everyday conversation and should bleed with success. That's fine. And if you want to look down on people who don't join, well that's your right no matter how idiotic it may be. But it's also my right to keep myself out of such organizations for whatever reasons I so choose. I don't need membership in such groups to legitimize myself to whoever. If that's what it takes to impress folks, well I'm more than happy to heap disappointment upon them because they are not my kind of people in the first place............

You do know who Amy Brenneman is don't you?

She played Eady, Robert De Niors squeeze in Heat. So here's Amy Brenneman, a costar in a movie with perhaps the most choreographed shootout scene of yet, hosting an awards ceremony championing the prevention of gun violence.:laughing:

How ironic...:flipoff2:

Yeah F that B.

Heat is one of my all time favs though :grinpimp:

Nope. You don't understand the dynamics of political thought of where I work. There is no left leaning political thought out of the certified LEO staff of my department. In fact, I dare say I'm the most liberal out of the group and I'm pretty damn conservative in most of my thoughts.




And what if me, the gun owner doesn't believe in the way the NRA does business, does that make me a bad guy. Maybe I belong to another gun rights group and maybe I don't. That's not germane to the conversation.

Look, I understand that you come across as one of these people who believe that every fly by night group claiming to uphold the values needs to have a a platform in everyday conversation and should bleed with success. That's fine. And if you want to look down on people who don't join, well that's your right no matter how idiotic it may be. But it's also my right to keep myself out of such organizations for whatever reasons I so choose. I don't need membership in such groups to legitimize myself to whoever. If that's what it takes to impress folks, well I'm more than happy to heap disappointment upon them because they are not my kind of people in the first place............

When organizations like the Brady Campaign are running full speed ahead and have the support of people like your boss there I think it is imperative for any gun owner (LEO or not) to join in the fight and help whoever is doing the most to defend our rights. You got problems with how the NRA does business? Fine but, show me another association that doing as much to actually preserve our gun rights, then. You accuse me of "looking down" on people who don't join some org yet all I've heard out of you is "I'm too cool for the NRA, oathkeepers and any other of those fly by night outfits. Maybe I'm part of another one. That's none of your business and has nothing to do with this conversation." What do you and your fellow officers who share similar opinions and values as us do to help preserve 2A, then?


It seems to me the stance you're taking here has you set up to "go whichever way the wind blows".

When organizations like the Brady Campaign are running full speed ahead and have the support of people like your boss there I think it is imperative for any gun owner (LEO or not) to join in the fight and help whoever is doing the most to defend our rights. You got problems with how the NRA does business? Fine but, show me another association that doing as much to actually preserve our gun rights, then. You accuse me of "looking down" on people who don't join some org yet all I've heard out of you is "I'm too cool for the NRA, oathkeepers and any other of those fly by night outfits. Maybe I'm part of another one. That's none of your business and has nothing to do with this conversation." What do you and your fellow officers who share similar opinions and values as us do to help preserve 2A, then?


It seems to me the stance you're taking here has you set up to "go whichever way the wind blows".


Some of us have security clearances to worry about which include background checks into such things as "what organizations are you a part of?".

Sorry, not playing those kind of games with my career.


Before casting stones about someone joining or not joining an organization that you believe in, be aware that they may have some damn good reasons why they do what they do.

And by the way, get your facts straight. My boss doesn`t belong to some clown outfit like the Brady Bunch. I dare say he is more consevative than 95% of the PBB and he`s a freaking democrat to boot. He also happens to be the head gun nut of our little puzzle palace here.

So read my freaking lips, it`s not a threat of my adminstration, it`s by personal choice which apparently is a revolutionary idea to you.

How about you guy's just answer a question instead of repeatedly telling me "STFU. We're all really conservative gun nuts and you don't know shit about cops." I keep on hearing about how "conservative" you and your fellow LEO's are but, I haven't heard jack about what you guys are willing to do to preserve 2A. You don't want to be part of a certain organization? Fine but, do you guys do anything besides have a fuckin' opinion? When more restrictive laws are put into place you guys are obviously going to be the ones enforcing them. At what point would you guys draw the line? When would you "pick a side"?

When more restrictive laws are put into place you guys are obviously going to be the ones enforcing them. At what point would you guys draw the line? When would you "pick a side"?


Maybe you should have just asked THAT to begin with, you uptight motherfucker. :flipoff2:

Maybe you should have just asked THAT to begin with, you uptight motherfucker. :flipoff2:

Hey fuck you. Like I woulda' gotten a straight answer anyway.:flipoff2:
Own a gun in cali and see a LEO on the TV talking like that and tell me that wouldn't get you a little "uptight".

Hey fuck you. Like I woulda' gotten a straight answer anyway.:flipoff2:
Own a gun in cali and see a LEO on the TV talking like that and tell me that wouldn't get you a little "uptight".


Ummm did anyone tell you your in Oregon ? :flipoff2::flipoff2:

Ummm did anyone tell you your in Oregon ? :flipoff2::flipoff2:

Just got here 2 weeks ago. :flipoff2:

Congrats on the escape beater!

I see "fly by night" and NRA inthe same sentence... that looks funny to me. How many years have they been around?

Yes I'm a dues payer, my sales career doesn't hold that against me. :flipoff2: But, I don't get to carry a loaded gun at work either :shuffles feet: But they've been active (as an organization) in protecting the personal right to bear arms longer than anyone else. I'd rather give them something than post about my liberties being taken, and do nothing else.

I hope most LEO understand that since you don't have a legal obligation to protect us citizens, we have a personal obligation to protect ourselves. Anything that gets in the way of that is bad, IMO.

Congrats on the escape beater!

I see "fly by night" and NRA inthe same sentence...

And is one describing the other????????????

I don't think so:homer:

Congrats on the escape beater!

I see "fly by night" and NRA inthe same sentence... that looks funny to me. How many years have they been around?

Yes I'm a dues payer, my sales career doesn't hold that against me. :flipoff2: But, I don't get to carry a loaded gun at work either :shuffles feet: But they've been active (as an organization) in protecting the personal right to bear arms longer than anyone else. I'd rather give them something than post about my liberties being taken, and do nothing else.

I hope most LEO understand that since you don't have a legal obligation to protect us citizens, we have a personal obligation to protect ourselves. Anything that gets in the way of that is bad, IMO.

Actually, they haven't been 'active in protecting the personal right to bear arms'. They've been active in increasing their political power.

They WROTE the 86 bill, as well as the AWB. :mad3: :shaking:

And is one describing the other????????????

I don't think so:homer:

Bubba, are you a cop or a fuckin' politician? Answer a question already.

And is one describing the other????????????

I don't think so:homer:

You accuse me of "looking down" on people who don't join some org yet all I've heard out of you is "I'm too cool for the NRA, oathkeepers and any other of those fly by night outfits.

you're right. I confused sentences from two different posts... my apologies. :p
But do you have a solution, or do you just acknowledge the problem and suggest doing nothing?

The old "united we stand" seems to work better than individually accomplishing nothing but sending letters to the editor of the Mercury (our liberal rag paper) and griping about it. I'd love to have a CCW, but I don't know the Sheriff so it's not even a remote possibility, even though I've done nothing wrong.

Bubba, are you a cop or a fuckin' politician? Answer a question already.

Which question?


But do you have a solution, or do you just acknowledge the problem and suggest doing nothing?

The old "united we stand" seems to work better than individually accomplishing nothing but sending letters to the editor of the Mercury (our liberal rag paper) and griping about it. I'd love to have a CCW, but I don't know the Sheriff so it's not even a remote possibility, even though I've done nothing wrong.

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The solution is simple, get the politicians that support your views voted into office. The road to get there though is not simple. That's what has to be overcome because guess what, when if/when it breaks down into a shooting revolution, you will never see the United States of America in it's current form emerging from the ashes. Too many special interests in this day and age and too many people behind those special interests. It will probably turn into a cesspool like Europe or even worse, Africa.