Can't decide on the way to go. Had an ARB in the front d44 before and i liked it but i am now running a 60. Durham recommended a detroit, so did a few others. Should i weld it up? Get a spool? Going to 5.13 so the carrier will have to be changed unless i can get a thick gear for it. Have hydro assist running 39.5 tsl swampers. 35 spline outers and inners with drive flanges. Give me some ideas.

you will get alot of different opinions on this but personally i like a full detroit . had one in my old d44 and also one in my current d60. i have never had a problem with either.

Detroit or spool.

Wes

Does the detroit have any give on the turns or does it act like a spool would?

Since your running drive-flanges, I say detroit that way you will be able to steer some if the hydro goes:nuke:. if you got the money ALWAYS go with a Detroit locker.

had an ARB, now i have a detroit, going back to ARB.

it is just personal prefrence. i don't like the backlash of the detroits and the fact if you snap an axle most likley the detroit will fail as well.

glitterman has a good points, lol, i think there is only one solution for this question ARB!!!!!!!!!!!! of course durham would say a detroit he doesnt have time inbetween throtle downs to hit teh botton. jIMMy

Originally posted by camo
i don't like the backlash of the detroits and the fact if you snap an axle most likley the detroit will fail as well.


i know this happens but i don't know if i would say it "most likely" will. i broke u-jonts, lockouts, and axle shafts in my old d44 front and the detroit never had a problem. i have only broken one stub shaft in my d60 and it took out the lockout but the detroit was not hurt. the possibility is there but it doesn't always happen. i have read quite a few of the toyota guys have this problem so maybe some axles are more prone to this than others. anyway....

Originally posted by High5



i know this happens but i don't know if i would say it "most likely" will. i broke u-jonts, lockouts, and axle shafts in my old d44 front and the detroit never had a problem. i have only broken one stub shaft in my d60 and it took out the lockout but the detroit was not hurt. the possibility is there but it doesn't always happen. i have read quite a few of the toyota guys have this problem so maybe some axles are more prone to this than others. anyway....

I agree, and I've never seen anybody fiddling with thier rig tryin' to get the Detroit to work:flipoff2:

Originally posted by urjb


I agree, and I've never seen anybody fiddling with thier rig tryin' to get the Detroit to work:flipoff2:

no but i have seen a few people welding them back together trying to make them work. :flipoff2:

I went with a Detroit :) If you need a carrier I have one. 4.56 and up :)

I agree with above post on you will get MANY diff opinions.
Mine is as follows.

I have broke Detroits, and Arb's.
I like the way the Detroit works in MY rig. I run a rather loose (by western RC standards converter) So in my rig if I want to turn the wheels all I do is lay of throttle sum and the front end is unlocked turn the wheel a lil and touch throttle and the Detroit helps the P/S turn the rest of the way..it works for me and is sec nature when wheeling, I don't even think about it. With the Arb in terrain we have I was always finding myself caught halfway up a hill trying to climb a ledge and having to unlock the front end to crank wheels around. When I broke it I went back to what felt natural to me and works best in my rig. I see ALOT of peeps running Arb's in the rocks so I assume they must work to their advanatge, so still comes back to personal preferances in the terrain you frequant I spose.

NoRM

I got a Detroit. Just liked never having to give it a second thought.

I've seen lots of people break 60s and never seen a Detroit fail. I don't think it's that common. As far as I know Bryan Hamilton has never had a problem with his Detroit and he broke his front 60 at least 6 times this season (he's got mucho motor and no sense :D )

Detroit, works everytime!

Originally posted by vova
I went with a Detroit :) If you need a carrier I have one. 4.56 and up :)

I thought that a detroit and ARB replace the carier so it wouldn't matter what i had in there.

Originally posted by Brawler


I thought that a detroit and ARB replace the carier so it wouldn't matter what i had in there.

They do.

I went with an OX, not in there yet so I don't know how i like it...

Spool

Cheap, strong, always there.

Let me through this in the mix.

If you are twin stick, with hydro assist, why wouldn't you go with a spool?

Everyone talks about ARB/OX/ (yes, even detroit) breaking, well most likely a spool wouldn't.

I'm considering the Spool, Hydroassist, twin stick, with slugs (instead of hubs) in my rig. Any problems there?

Spool is the way to go. I ran them in one of my old jeeps without hydro assyst. When stuff got tight I would unlock the long side. I'm going to be running spools on my new project front and rear.

Originally posted by REDNECKSDRVCHEVY
Spool is the way to go. I ran them in one of my old jeeps without hydro assyst. When stuff got tight I would unlock the long side. I'm going to be running spools on my new project front and rear. :rolleyes: henve the user name, why would u want to get out and unlock hubs all teh time just to turn, pony up and getan arb.

Budget builder.
Like what Indy says Hydro assyst will do the job.

Hydro assist is nice but when you lose a hose or the pump starts to over heat, you won't be able to turn for shit! If you do have a spool/welded front always run with lock-outs.

dude get the best of both worlds get the new detroit it will be out for the d60 is two months:D

I went with a Detroit, and I wish that I had gone with a spool.

Detroit = $500 :(
Spool = $85 :D

If my power steering fails out on the trail, I figure it will be just about as hard to turn with a detroit or a spool. I would probably, just go fix the damn thing before I wheel it anymore. Locking hubs are always a must, IMO.

Detroit all the way

:rainbow:RB is well.....:rainbow: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Shaw
I went with a Detroit, and I wish that I had gone with a spool.

Detroit = $500 :(
Spool = $85 :D



Licolen Locker =$0.00

Do like me and wait for the new Detroit Electrac , Detroits new electric locker, I think it is out for Dana 44's real soon, I was told by Christmas for the Dana 60. I got my name on one for my Dana 60. Eaton also has one coming out. I was torn between ARB, and Detroit too, but with drive flanges and full hydro, I wanted a selectable locker.

I need to wheel, i haven't been since TDS. Got most of the odds and ends worked out. I don't want to be a guinnie pig for the selectable detroit. I liked the arb but the cost is ridiculous. Detroit or spool is what i'm really leaning towards. Thanks for all the input.

Originally posted by Ricktard
Do like me and wait for the new Detroit Electrac , Detroits new electric locker, I think it is out for Dana 44's real soon, I was told by Christmas for the Dana 60. I got my name on one for my Dana 60. Eaton also has one coming out. I was torn between ARB, and Detroit too, but with drive flanges and full hydro, I wanted a selectable locker.

You worried about that tire size limit??? (there is a 38" tire size limit for the 60 version, corect????)

well as far as the tire limit on the elactrac's they say 38's but...it all really depends on your drining style if your like durham balls to the wall then youll have a problem with most selectables. i was told it will hold up under most situations with 39.5's...also as far as being new design...naw its been around and proven as far as the limited slip.honestly i thonk it will be a great locker and as for the eaton it wil not be done until a good year and a half ,and the detroit will be ready for the d60 in late december...

ARB





SUP SUKA!!!



Eric Filar

Anyone know how a Powertrax No-slip compares to a detroit? I'm just wonderin if the detroit is really worth the extra $100.

Considering both in my 44 front I'm rebuilding.

Lincoln locked 60 in the rear, I need something that can steer up front.

Bob

the detroit power-lok is the best of the L/S

that said i have run one and for serious wheeling they do work but why would you do that instead of a real locker.

Spool Give it a shot. They are cheap and if you don't like it they are easy to sell.
I always hated it when my detoit would unload. No need to wory about that with a spool.

OK, Ill throw some experience down here:

Everyone keeps mentioning hydro assist in conjunction with a spool. The problem with a spool is NOT the effort required to turn (well, it can be, but assist and / or time in the gym can fix that). The problem is, even with the wheel cranked (regardless of how hard it was) with the spool, no matter the throttle input or modulation, it's spooled and very often will want to push the front end straight. In technical wheeling - that can be very frustrating, and no steering system will fix it.

Now, you get different opinions, because it depends on how technical / precise the terrain is. The spooled 60 in the Wolf is a bit of a bugger - it will tend to push, and I don't like it much. How BIG of a problem is it (as in - is it worth the $$ for a Detroit)...depends. Most of the time, the rig is tough and capable enough that it doesn't matter much - I can power / bulldoze / abuse my way through...but if there's only one line, and inches count, then it will get old fast!

The full detroit I used to have in front was MUCH better behaved. I can't fully explain why - as it seems the Detroit IS a spool when you're on the gas...maybe it was throttle modulation, I dunno for sure...but in technical one-line-only wheeling, it was far superior in front for steering (not talking about steering effort).

I can't possibly imagine enjoying fooling with an ARB, not to mention the maintenance / relaibilty issues (at least in my environment / terrain - sunny dry warm socal maybe different). With a 4 spd, tripple sticks, dual cutting brakes, there's already too much shiat to fool with! And besides - for hardcore wheeling - I don't see the advantage - you have either a spool when it's on - in which case why not get a spool, or open when it's not - which would suck.

Somebody explain the use of an ARB to me, please - I know I'm missing something.

Short version - Detroit all the way

Originally posted by tj7
i was told it will hold up under most situations with 39.5's...


Who told you that, cause I would like to talk with him, does he use the locker? Does he have pics?

I would consider the locker for my front if I knew it would hold up but I just keep thinking truetrac.

detroit all the way

Originally posted by FatCity
ARB





SUP SUKA!!!



Eric Filar

hey dude! Got an address for ya!

Perry silvas
4443 N. Blue Sky dr.
Enoch, Utah 84720

Send my fawkin crossmenber.

hey beast what the fawk is wrong with you .if you dont believe me call up tractech and ask them yourself .as for you denotation of the elctrac as a a true trac part of it is from that style the limited slip part which happens to be a great design for the street not on the trails with 38's of course.so you take the true trac design slap that together with an electric selectable spool and you have a sick locker that has been proven already....

Originally posted by Beast40


I would consider the locker for my front if I knew it would hold up but I just keep thinking truetrac. [/B]

A Truetrac? :rolleyes:
Brawler, go Detroit ;)

ARB

Originally posted by tj7
hey beast what the fawk is wrong with you .if you dont believe me call up tractech and ask them yourself .as for you denotation of the elctrac as a a true trac part of it is from that style the limited slip part which happens to be a great design for the street not on the trails with 38's of course.so you take the true trac design slap that together with an electric selectable spool and you have a sick locker that has been proven already....



Chill out fawker, I was actually curious, if it'll hold up to the 39.5 then it might be worth checking out. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by BillaVista

The full detroit I used to have in front was MUCH better behaved. I can't fully explain why - as it seems the Detroit IS a spool when you're on the gas...maybe it was throttle modulation, I dunno for sure...but in technical one-line-only wheeling, it was far superior in front for steering (not talking about steering effort).


Bill I am with you on this one... Detroits front and rear and I can do figure 8's on blacktop in low case 4x4...try that with spools. I had a front ARB and I went back to a front Detroit because it's controlable with the throttle quite easily once you adjust to it.

NoRM

i've been having this debate with myself for some time now, also. I need to get a front locker (i've already got a rear lincoln locker, i like it, works great, price was right), but I dont know what to get. I want an ARB, but cant afford one. I was thinking lock-right because of price, and in a toyota mini with 32" swampers, i think i can get away with a lock-right over a detroit. will a lock-right behave like a detroit, or should i suck it up and pay more for a detroit? i want to be able to control (somewhat) when the front locks/unlocks.

Detroit!!!!

Originally posted by camo
detroit power-lok

Come on Camo, pull it together man:rolleyes:

my old yj i ran an arb in the back and lockrite in the front.. i thought it was great most of the time,, well when i built my cj5 i went spool in the back arb in the front.. ok so all u guys that like having the arbs and spools in the front.. i must be missing something..because for hard wheeling and competion i really dont like the setup i have now...the thing wont even turn when the arb is engaged..to many thing to worry about if your going to compete.. detroits are simple and they work..i had good luck running the orig. style lockrite in the front for many years.. i wouldn't run one in the back they dont last there..

I am thinking of a lockright for the front of my landcruiser, mainly because I can get one for 75 bucks. Drive train Direct rated it four stars out of four. What do you guys think, is it durable enough for 37s?

Perry....Got it...




Try turning a full 180 with detroits or spool.
Now do the same thing with an ARB.

Now theres one hellava good point.

Now for the funny part

Now for the rest of you "hard-cores" perhaps theres never a dull moment on your "hard-core" trails but, 3/4's of the time you don't need a front locker.

"Oh!!, but I don't have time to screw with the extra button for my locker"

No! of course not, most of you guy's are to busy fucking with the seventy-three x-case sticks popping out of the torch cut hole in the floor to flip that switch every now and again, besides, it would probably get lost in the plethera of switches that are allready mounted speraticly in the 1/4" steel dash, most of witch don't go to anything.

Eric(what an asshole)Filar

FatCity good reply I agree totally. Go with a select locker

Its ARB for me

I don't get this maintenance issue with the ARB other that once when I took 5 min to clean the soleniod I've never had to do any kind of maintenance


Sure is nice when everybody in front of me is doing a 4 point turn and I just swing right around

Originally posted by FatCity
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Try turning a full 180 with detroits or spool.
Now do the same thing with an ARB.

Now theres one hellava good point.

Now for the funny part

Now for the rest of you "hard-cores" perhaps theres never a dull moment on your "hard-core" trails but, 3/4's of the time you don't need a front locker.

"Oh!!, but I don't have time to screw with the extra button for my locker"

No! of course not, most of you guy's are to busy fucking with the seventy-three x-case sticks popping out of the torch cut hole in the floor to flip that switch every now and again, besides, it would probably get lost in the plethera of switches that are allready mounted speraticly in the 1/4" steel dash, most of witch don't go to anything.

Eric(what an asshole)Filar [/B]

That's hilarious!!!:D :D ...So true, so true...

You cant beat the simple reliability of the Detroit, but you will never make the tight technical turns like an ARB. This subject could be debated for days, months, ...Yes, the Detroit can be supplemented with rear cutting brakes and ARBs, and you can do front wheel drive only W/ twin stk and a little throttle, etc...
The choice comes down to PP....Just leave the spools and LL out of the front. I'm going to get out of the way now as the guilty, uh, I mean offended light their torches and come for Eric:D

I don't get this maintenance issue with the ARB other that once when I took 5 min to clean the soleniod I've never had to do any kind of maintenance

That's because you live in Kaliforneeya dude.

If your running staright shot, heavy throttle, hang on tight style trails a Detroit would be the way to go hands down. But if you ever need to turn sharp drive with a little finese go with an ARB - you'll be amazed at how little you actually it!

Well brotha you have never steered me wrong and you wheel better than all i've had the misfortune of watching in person ( 35" boggers and stock d44,s front and rear with hardly a break ) So i think i will do the most expensive choice on the list. Can you get me a better dealio?

thanks to all who replied. All had very good arguments but i gotta go with Eric on this. Thanks!