High steer on scout 44's soa.

Got any pics, ..........or thoughts on how to set up the knuckles.

I think I finally have an indestructable drag link, but you know, just in case. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Ronny

I built an arm for one, but I don't know if has been installed yet (Mark??)

Use Chevy/FSJ flat top knuckles and Scout II Dana 30 spindles, or redrill the Scout D44 spindles.

I would personally use a standard length highsteer arm and shorten the stock pitman arm or get a wagoneer pitman arm. That way you can retain good steering geometry without having to have a custom length highsteer arm and some of the funky tradeoffs that come with said arm.

You can also get Scout flat top knuckles that are of the 8 bolt variety. they are rare but make the job very easy. I can get you a set if you need.

Originally posted by BenW:
<STRONG>I built an arm for one, but I don't know if has been installed yet (Mark??)

Use Chevy/FSJ flat top knuckles and Scout II Dana 30 spindles, or redrill the Scout D44 spindles.

I would personally use a standard length highsteer arm and shorten the stock pitman arm or get a wagoneer pitman arm. That way you can retain good steering geometry without having to have a custom length highsteer arm and some of the funky tradeoffs that come with said arm.</STRONG>

Ben, I've never looked at scout II 30 spindles, I guess the basic difference from the 44 spindles is that they are set up correctly to receive the flat top knuckles?

And I guess since you listed changing spindles before you listed drilling them, that changing them out would be best/simplest if you can get them.

Originally posted by The Rockslut:
<STRONG>You can also get Scout flat top knuckles that are of the 8 bolt variety. they are rare but make the job very easy. I can get you a set if you need.</STRONG>

$$ what are we talking, I am still in the thinkin' about it stage right now, but I might start gatherin parts pretty soon.

Scout II Dana 44 spindles attach to the knuckle with 8 studs, Scout II Dana 30 spindles are identical to the D44 spindles, except they attach to the knuckle with 6 studs.

Chevy/FSJ knuckles have 6 studs to attach the knuckles to, hence the need for the Scout II D30 spindles.

The knuckles Rockslut is talking about are off '74-'75 Full size IH's, they are basically the same as Chevy/FSJ knuckles, but they have 8 studs. Problem is they are rare, and expensive.

Originally posted by BenW:
[QB]Scout II Dana 44 spindles attach to the knuckle with 8 studs, Scout II Dana 30 spindles are identical to the D44 spindles, except they attach to the knuckle with 6 studs.[QB]

As far as I know it has to be a Dana 30 with Drum brakes, not the disk brake Dana 30 offered in late 74's.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Hayraker*:
<STRONG>$$ what are we talking, I am still in the thinkin' about it stage right now, but I might start gatherin parts pretty soon.</STRONG>

I have the number of a shop in Colorado that can weld a high steer arm on your knuckle for under 150.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>I have the number of a shop in Colorado that can weld a high steer arm on your knuckle for under 150.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

I wonder what type of material they use and roughly what their design looks like, because that was my original plan; build my own arm and weld it.

Just need a strong enough design so I don't have to worry about breakage.

I have done thet befor it works great.you have to know what kind of rod to use to weld too kinds of materials together.

Originally posted by Abba:
<STRONG>you have to know what kind of rod to use to weld too kinds of materials together.</STRONG>

Yeah thanks man, I got the welding rod part covered,(we been using some type of blue fluxed nickel alloy that works great on cast steel) I just need to study on how I need to build it so it will hold up.

Got any pics of how you built yours?

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Iam no good whith this computer.I was goin to get you the tipe of rod but not with that shit figer it out.

Originally posted by Hayraker*:
<STRONG>Yeah thanks man, I got the welding rod part covered,(we been using some type of blue fluxed nickel allow that works great on cast steel) I just need to study on how I need to build it so it will hold up.

Got any pics of how you built yours?</STRONG>

Didn't build one yet, but here is a pic from
D and C Extreme (http://www.dandcextreme.com)

http://www.dandcextreme.com/buildup/image/day4steeringa.jpg Snoppy on PBB is the shop owner, I also have the number of another shop that can do the work.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

The rod that I prefer to weld to anything cast is the Blue rod that Hayraker is talking about it is called a "High-Alloy 500" I welded up an arm to a three point hitch of a tractor and it is seeing much more torque applied to it than a high steer arm would. It is more user friendly than nickle rods and does not require preheating of the parent material, although I always do any way for high pressure welds. I have bought them as both a 1/8 DC electrode and as 3/32 heliarc filler wire and am very pleased with them both. you can use them to weld any dissimilar metals such as stainless to carbon or carbon to cast they also work great to weld up cracks in cast and flow much better than nickle rods do. I already got the design drawn up for the arm. I took a digital pic of my steering knuckle and printed it out at actual size then took it to work and had one of our CAD guys draw me up a print as soon as I get it back from him I will post it.
Patience, Grasshoppa, Patience

That welded arm still scares me, but hey, people claim "no problem". I'll stick with bolted.

Ya, I got a SWEET arm from Ben, very nice work. However, when I mocked it all up, I ran into clearance issues. The rods were hitting the springs. So I asked Ben to make me some 1" spacers. He got me those but I haven't had time to re-visit that project yet. Soon. I'm planning on different springs and redoing my front suspension at the same time, just need to gather a couple more parts, clear out my Mom's warehouse, and find a weekend. It's that last one that’s the hardest. Man I wish I had my own garage/shop... next year.

[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: RustoleumWhite ]

I've got a high-steer setup on my Scout. I use the stock D44 with the knuckles off a mid-70's full size with disk breaks. Cost me $70 <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> just for the knuckles.

It's a simple affair with these knuckles, the arm is attached on top just like on the Chevy setups.

To make it work well, you need to use a shorter pitman arm though, because none of the high arms are as long as the stock ones. I just bought a dropped pitman arm from someone over the net trying to sell one that came with their lift. My drag link is now parallel to my axle.

Originally posted by BenW:
<STRONG>
The knuckles Rockslut is talking about are off '74-'75 Full size IH's, they are basically the same as Chevy/FSJ knuckles, but they have 8 studs. Problem is they are rare, and expensive.</STRONG>

The knuckle on the left is what we're talking about.

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/dkline/SteeringKnuckles3.jpg

I'm with RustoleumWhite - Just say NO to welding..

Hayraker - I think this topic has been discussed a few times in the past right here on PBB in the IH section.

I'm running high-steer on a Chevy front axle in one of my Scouts.

Flat-top Chevy knuckles, custom high-steer arm, straight draglink. I'm using F150 hubs/rotors with Chevy calipers & spindles to keep my 5 on 5.5.

-Tom

[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: tsm1mt ]

[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: tsm1mt ]

Parts Mike has Flat-Top Scout knuckles that are slightly taller on top. I don't know how much they are or what the story is on how tall they are but you can call him: 530/885-0673

Originally posted by Abba:
<STRONG>Iam no good whith this computer.I was goin to get you the tipe of rod but not with that shit figer it out.</STRONG>

Didn't mean for you to take it that way

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>Didn't build one yet, but here is a pic from
D and C Extreme (http://www.dandcextreme.com)

http://www.dandcextreme.com/buildup/image/day4steeringa.jpg Snoppy on PBB is the shop owner, I also have the number of another shop that can do the work.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Thanks for the pic Joe, that looks simple enough to rig, but I wonder if it doesn't need a little more steel in there.

I bet their finished product is a good looking set up.

Ronny

[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Hayraker* ]

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>

Hayraker - I think this topic has been discussed a few times in the past right here on PBB in the IH section.

-Tom

[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: tsm1mt ]

[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: tsm1mt ]</STRONG>


searched and found a little info hidden here and there, (not near as much as in this thread).

I did find the pics of Ben's steering.

I just wanted some ideas on how people had rigged their SII 44 knuckles.

I know of a wrecking yard that has some 70 something IH pickups, gonna check and see if they have what I need. If not it will get welded.

Ronny

Originally posted by Hayraker*:
<STRONG>
searched and found a little info hidden here and there, (not near as much as in this thread).

I did find the pics of Ben's steering.

I just wanted some ideas on how people had rigged their SII 44 knuckles.

I know of a wrecking yard that has some 70 something IH pickups, gonna check and see if they have what I need. If not it will get welded.

Ronny</STRONG>


I KNOW we had this discussion here before, but nothing before August shows up in the search.. hrrmmm...

Anyhow, I've told the story too many times on the BB, too.

1 (http://atlas.binderbulletin.org/cgi-bin/webbbs/tt2001archive.cgi?noframes;read=152651)
2 (http://atlas.binderbulletin.org/cgi-bin/webbbs/techtalk.cgi?noframes;read=160962)

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/racer/crossoversteer/contact.jpg

3 (http://atlas.binderbulletin.org/cgi-bin/webbbs/tt2000archive.cgi?noframes;read=84224)
4 (http://atlas.binderbulletin.org/cgi-bin/webbbs/tt2000archive.cgi?noframes;read=84256)

I have more pictures and can provide more details if you want.. but mine are all for a Chevy front end.

If I were doing a SII front end, one option is Chevy/FSJ knuckles, SII D30 spindles, '74 SII D30 disc caliper bracket, SII D44 hubs/rotors.
A better (IMHO) approach would be FSJ/Chevy knuckles, Chevy (small bearing) spindle, calipers, brackets, and F150 hubs/rotors with a Chevy/Ford 19-spline stub-shaft instead of the Scout 27sp stub-shaft.

Internal hubs n' the 19-spline stubs.. and cheaper parts.

[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: tsm1mt ]

[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: tsm1mt ]

Good info Tom, especially #2, I appreciate it.

Oh, BTW those are some good pictures of your Red Wing brogans <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">