I've searced everything and I still have a couple of questions for all the smart Pirate guys.
I have a 2001, extended cab, short bed 5.9 CTD, NV4500, Air bags, overload springs w/85k miles, brand new B & W hitch.
I just bought a 36' triple axle toyhauler that weighs about 11k lbs. i went to CAT scales and weighed in at almost 20lbs without water, tools, and race buggy that weighs 3,000lbs. Aside from destroying my cab after picking it up. My Dodge appeared to be towing it fine with exception of long hills (Tehachapies, Grape vine etc). The vehicle is rated at 13k trailer and 20k total I believe. The motor is completely stock. My questions are as follows: Would EDGE make that much of a difference or any other upgrades? Is it even worth fixing the Cab, both sides of "B" pillar, and broken rear windsheild? And if not, would it be hard to sell? I am considering an F450 King Ranch or a Dodge 3500 both 2008 models, I am confused that the Dodge actually has more HP and Torque than the F450! Anyway, would the 3500 really make that big of a difference over what I have for what I would have to pay for it?? All input is greatly appreciated. Thanks

you can do an edge, turbo(s), and a ton of other stuff so it can tug the crap out anything you hook to it but that is a heavy ass load for that truck. Towing Anything 20,000lbs plus alot your better off with a dually or atleast upgraded brakes.

The 08 f450 is rated for 24,500 from the factory those 6.4's are bad ass

I've searced everything and I still have a couple of questions for all the smart Pirate guys.
I have a 2001, extended cab, short bed 5.9 CTD, NV4500, Air bags, overload springs w/85k miles, brand new B & W hitch.
I just bought a 36' triple axle toyhauler that weighs about 11k lbs. i went to CAT scales and weighed in at almost 20lbs without water, tools, and race buggy that weighs 3,000lbs. Aside from destroying my cab after picking it up. My Dodge appeared to be towing it fine with exception of long hills (Tehachapies, Grape vine etc). The vehicle is rated at 13k trailer and 20k total I believe. The motor is completely stock. My questions are as follows: Would EDGE make that much of a difference or any other upgrades? Is it even worth fixing the Cab, both sides of "B" pillar, and broken rear windsheild? And if not, would it be hard to sell? I am considering an F450 King Ranch or a Dodge 3500 both 2008 models, I am confused that the Dodge actually has more HP and Torque than the F450! Anyway, would the 3500 really make that big of a difference over what I have for what I would have to pay for it?? All input is greatly appreciated. Thanks

My toyhauler is the same 36' and truck and trailer both weigh in about 23k. Its a mega cab dually with a 6.7. its got tons of power but with trailers this big and heavy long hills and steep grades are always gonna be a problem. I usually will if i can get some speed before the hill and try to use momentom to go up. You can pin any of them to the floor and go faster up but you'll have way more problems doin that a few times! A dually helps with stability and best thing is if you blow a rear tire you have another one. I also tow my trialer with a 2500 and it pulls just fine stable and all but scares me just IF i blew a rear tire. Take a change on losing 60k worth of shit in 4 seconds. Those trucks like yours pull great but they are a little under powered (stock is around 250 hp) a newer 5.9 is 300-325 and 6.7's are 350hp) Its just something i had to get used to towing the weight going up hills. Edge and bully dog are great performance upgrades. for the money you cant beat it. I'd recomend 4" exhaust and a bully dog pmt. adds lots of hp and has safety modes you can put in place to save the life of your motor. it wont let your egt's get to high and the exhaust will help a ton with that too. keeps em low in hills and what not.

Thanks for the great reply. That helps alot. I go back and forth on if I really need a new truck. It seems like I will have some of same issues with a newer one. I am probably going to add a chip and cold air intake which should give about 60hp which will make a ton of difference. As far as losing a rear tire! your right, it would be about $100k really quick, not too mention someone getting hurt riding in back!! take care

Is it even worth fixing the Cab, both sides of "B" pillar, and broken rear windsheild?
id fix the pillar enuffto install a new rear glass,unless it never rains where you live :flipoff2:
to what degree you fix it cosmetically is up to you... youre the one who will have to look at it every day.

And if not, would it be hard to sell
um,yes.


as for the rest of your question,rockwellyj summed it up pretty well. you do not by any means need a new truck,just pay attention to the large nose,or convert it to a 5er(i tow my 36' flatbed with a kindpin adapter and 5th wheel hitch) so you can use a sliding hitch,qnd a few mods to your engine will help get it moving.

only reason to consider a new truck would be to go to a dually. it can be a minor PITA when goin thru the taco bell drive thru and parking at wally world,but i love my dually and wouldnt have it any other way :)

my 99 pulled my 30ft trip ax th with 5k fj40 inside over the tehachapies at 50 in 3rd gear no issues. i have some work done to mine.

if i used it more id get a bigger truck. but with my sand rail in there to sand mtn it did just fine

Get a slider hitch and put a programer or a box on it. It will be a whole new truck with a some type of box on it. Pulling my enclosed trailer wieghing in between 11-13k depending on the load, I went from pulling the same hills at 35mph to 65mph when I added my quadzilla, big line fuel kit and BHAF.

I have almost the same truck as you, but a built auto and about 400hp in mods. I towed a heavy ass 38 ft 5er about 2000 miles while I owned it. Sure it will get the job done. But it was one hell of a white knuckle ride a few times. IMHO if you have the $$$ to upgrade to a dually I'd do it just for the piece of mine. I'd rather tow that load with a stock dually and go slow that have a bunch of power and your truck and not be able to use it because it's scary going over 50. :laughing: Nothing is worse than spending a bunch of $$$ in mods, trading it in and getting nothing for them and then doing it all over on the next truck. :homer:

why not just make your truck a dulley, add some air bags and call it good. Sounds like a good way to save 50k on a new truck.

I really, really recommend an exhaust brake prior to proceeding much.

I would be less worried about power and more worried about stopping that pig. Make sure your brakes are in top shape and consider upgrading to the biggest rotors you can fit in the wheels. The exhaust brake would also be really nice going back down the grapevine and similar passes.

I've had bad experience with Edge on my f350. It tends to like to lock up at horrible times. That may be a ford thing. Don't know. Personally I don't like them. Definitely throw a tuner on it. Even if you don't turn it up all the way that extra power can be nice.

The dually is a big plus. For a big heavy trailer. Well its a peace of mind.

But you truck well do the job all day long. Put on some good E rated stock size tires. And make sure you brakes are in great shape.

Problems on 24v's.
Fuel pressure is the biggest thing you have to deal with. First off buy a fuel pressure gauge. Point blank! ($150 to $200) So you dont eat up a injector pump $$$$$ with a $100 pump. But upgraded pumps run around the $500 range.

Second you dont have wurry about your tranny. Sence its a standard trans.

Third a chip well make a world of differance. Small are big. Bigger you go the more heat you well make. Then you run into the task and buying more gauge and bigger exhaust.
And dont put a cold air kit on that truck. It gets enough air. On a turbo you need clean air. And the stock filters does that just fine.

Get on some cummins site and read up on upgrades.

I have the small 60hp Edge chip and it helped a ton with my auto. I want a set of 100hp injectors. But my tranny wont handle it.

Thanks for all your great info. Based on some of your feed back and considering how much the upgrades (ie bigger rotors, jake brake, chip, fixing the cab, etc) and still probably unhappy with it. I traded it in last night for a 2007 Dodge 3500 with a 6.7l They gave me over $9k for a trade in and the truck was priced at around $28k with 50k miles. It should definately do the jo. thanks again.

. I traded it in last night for a 2007 Dodge 3500 with a 6.7l

single or dual wheel?

Thanks for all your great info. Based on some of your feed back and considering how much the upgrades (ie bigger rotors, jake brake, chip, fixing the cab, etc) and still probably unhappy with it. I traded it in last night for a 2007 Dodge 3500 with a 6.7l They gave me over $9k for a trade in and the truck was priced at around $28k with 50k miles. It should definately do the jo. thanks again.

Sounds fair if the new truck is loaded and a hand shaker.

single or dual wheel?

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single or dual wheel?

duel wheel:D