Hey guys,

I'm kinda new to Pirate, (and I'm kinda' a Ford guy, lol) but I want to learn about Trackers.
My GF wheeled my B2 on new years and now has the bug. She figures she wants a something about Tracker sized. Convenient, because I acquired a pocket full of toy axles (8) a few months ago, and, cause I think Trackers/Sami's on toy axles are bitchin.
This is pic of me, taking a pic of her, on new years. (Notice my hand on my head, she had the front tires in the air. :eek:)
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What I have in mind for her rig, (my goal is to stay under 6K):
-Tracker base. ($1000-$1800 ish)
-Toy axles (have, I'm plan to sell her axles and leafs for $600)
-Probably leafs to start its life (I have them, and links cost $$$)
-Stock engine and stock auto would be nice, but if it's not in the cards then I'm thinking 4.3L (4.3L, $500ish, maybe)
-Push both axles out as far as I can and still maintain the stock headlights and tail lights. (100" WB maybe?)
-5.29 gears, and enough cutting/height to run 35-36" tire. ($1500 at least)
-Splurge the $$$ on full hydro steering, she protested loudly about the sloppy steering of my bronco. ($1300)


In advance, Thank you for your time.

I have a few questions that I'm hoping you guys might be able to help me out with:
- she wants an auto trans, is the auto in the trackers any good? Can you make it live with proper gears and enough cooling?
- if the tracker driveline poops out, (or i finder a cab+chassis for cheap) I was considering a chevy 4.3 driveline. What is a good donor vehicle that will have a 4.3L + (3 speed?) autobox + Passenger drop t-case?
- Are different versions of the 4.3 more desirable? Which and why?
- Ford, and all the other stuff I've been around never had a passenger drop tcase, thus I am not familiar with where to even find a pass drop t case, tips on where to look? (I even have some Toy t-cases kicking around, but so far it seems like the GM autotrans TO toy case is about $500+ = bummer)

Again, thanks for your time.

you're kind of stepping into it with the wrong angle of attack I think. You'd like to put big heavy gear on it with big tires and then you need big heavy drive train to handle that.. then you need a lot of frame bracing and extending to support the torque and wieght and extend the WB, then you'll need a stronger power train to move the vehicle which now has doubled in weight.

If this is the direction she wants to go and she just want's the tub because it looks cute, you would probably be better off slapping a Zuki tub on a jeep or a Bronco.

If she want's something that's smaller and nimble, then you probably ease back the build-ometer before you create a big tough rig that she won't want to drive. I have a tendancy to overbuild things for people when they just want something small and simple... Dunno if that applies or not.. I'll throw it out there though cause I know the when I start spinning off into my world of over modification it helps when someone pulls me back.

auto trans on the kicks are great, lots of people run them, never heard of any problems. and have good control offroad. (in my personal experience having owned both)

the 4.3 swaps are becoming common place, as well as grand vitara 2.5 and 2.7 v6's if you want to keep it Suzuki.

there are also lots of a vender's selling dual t case set ups, full coil sas kits exc...


once she gets one and wheels it, you will want to sell your ford and get one too :flipoff2:

cheers

Good reality check Baratacus, thanks for your input. I dont think i'm to far ahead of myself yet thought. We roll with lots of different rigs, guys on 40's+ with badass exo's, and some guys with 33's, and everything inbetween. Shes not going to be intimidated by the (potential) knarlyness. But she does want it 'tight'.

Toyota axles ARE light, leafs are light. I'm not adding much weight to this thing. And, if we start with a Tracker, the IFS has to go.
If guys can build awesomeness like this, Then I think I'm still within the scope of the Tracker chassis/drivetrain...?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=279080&stc=1&d=1167100200
(this machine is bitchen:smokin:, but I hope to stay a bit lower :) )


Thanks for you input zuki4x4chick, good to know that autos are not JUNK. With an auto and good diff gears hopefully she wont need dual case's. And after some time when she gets bored/frustrated at leafs she can do links/coils in a few years. (Can't make it to good off the start, lol)
Her and I were already joking that there will be coin tosses for which rig, and then another for who drives!

My goal is to get her on the trail in something good and reasonable (for our terrain/style, Northern Alberta) If in the future she wants more power or more flex, then that will be her own learning, and her own choosing.

"With an auto and good diff gears hopefully she wont need dual case's"

unfortunately, gearing is the Achilles heel of trakicks, a manual kick has 5.12 gears stock, autos have 4.62. so a 5.29 or even 5.71 in a toy axle isnt much of an improvement with larger tires.

unless you go with a kicker3 set up (sammy t case behind sidekick) this will give you reduction in high range.

if you plan on doing any street driving with a tire above 33" i would go that rout. if its only for offroad, than just some lower t case gears should work fine as well.

Don't forget Trail Tough has the Undertaker.

It brings the High and Low sides down.

They say you can run 33's with 4.62's and 35's with 5.12's.

x2 on the tracker autos being good. I run one in my rig. Tracker 1.6 8v, Tracker 3spd auto, custom tracker /toyota t-case, 4.10s in toyota axles. I run 34 ltbs and can pretty much do whatever I want. Now, i do not have much body left, just the floor, firewall, front fenders and hood, and full cage. You will want to reinforce the frame a bit as they are not the strongest out there. Try to find one that the crossmembers arent completely rusted through. I just replaced the xmembers on mine with tube. LEt me know if you have any more questions, I will try to help with whatever I can! Good luck and welcome to the world of trackers!

Travis:smokin:

the four door trackers are bitchin (and you'll have room to pile in when the ford goes down:flipoff2:) that would be a great place to start...just watch the frame even when they're solid suzuki frames aren't all that tough, a little bit of 1/8 inch plate though and your in buisness...just gonna throw this out there if she's never had her own rig find a decent fuel injected samurai,do a SOA with some 33's and a power steering swap there isn't anything quite like a stock samurai to make a newby smile...I smile alot:)..sami's make me happy

the little 1.6L engine is more power than a 1.3L engine, but it's nothing compared to what you are used to driving. When it comes to weight, from the standpoint of the 1.6L engine, the toy axels weigh a lot compared to the samurai axles. Nothing wrong with samurai axles if you stay under 33" tires. Much over that and you'll be busting them up with agressive wheeling. If you need to go over 33, then toys are the way to go. They're still lighter than a jeep or a landrover. If you go with a later year sidekick with a 2.0L engine, it has a dual overhead cam with multipoint 16V EFI. That will give you an ass load of power over the 1.6L SOHC.. even the coveted 1.6 16V EFI version. Then running toys and a big tire wouldn't seem as cruel to the powertrain.

Newer the vehicle, though... the more electronics you need. To some that's a deal breaker right there.

building a rig is not cheap. when you skimp you will pay for it in the long run. i have 19k in my rig. and just orderd a set of longfields. it adds up quick. but like zuki4x4chick said the auto trans are great. my 88.5 has the 1,6 8v tracker motor with the 2wd auto 3speed behind it. but also have the petroworks 4.9.1 transfer case. running yota axles with stock 4.11 gears and 38x12.50x15 tsl's. when you do decide to build one give the guys at lowrange offroad a call they will set you up. this is what 19k gets you.

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Don't waste your time with a Tracker. Buy the most capable rig you can from the get go. The tracker will cost money to make fun. I say make it a sami.

Waste of time huh?:flipoff2:

I wouldn't bother with trying to fit leafs under it. Get the TT SAS kit and be done. http://www.trailtough.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&orderby=product_list&page=shop.browse&category_id=47&Itemid=53

Undertaker and make plans to do more to the T-case which you will probably want or put a Sammy case in there too. The auto works well up hill but I found that they don't do enough engine braking in a slow crawl down hills. I hate to touch my brakes on steep descents. http://www.trailtough.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=81&category_id=46&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53

Or better yet get a Kicker from Scott at https://www.rock4xfabrication.com/

Get your armor from MY. http://zuksoffroad.net/sidetrack.htm

Not sure who has cages for Kicks yet. Scott may be able to help you there too.

$6k is going to be hard to do especially when you are going to spend $1000 or more for wheels. Cheap Kick are around though. I got a 2 dr for $100 with rod out the side and then picket up a complete motor for $225. I got a nice 4Dr for $450 that all it needed was the Dizzy put in correctly and a speedo. Both were 95's.

Defiantly build the 4dr.

building a rig is not cheap. when you skimp you will pay for it in the long run. i have 19k in my rig. and just orderd a set of longfields. it adds up quick. but like zuki4x4chick said the auto trans are great. my 88.5 has the 1,6 8v tracker motor with the 2wd auto 3speed behind it. but also have the petroworks 4.9.1 transfer case. running yota axles with stock 4.11 gears and 38x12.50x15 tsl's. when you do decide to build one give the guys at lowrange offroad a call they will set you up. this is what 19k gets you.



Well put, Im glad I'm not the only sucker with an ass load of money in a Samurai :D

Oh and good looking rig!

That TT SAS kit on a 4 door Kick FTW!

I built my Trail Tough Geo for $7,500.00. Included the cost of the geo 4dr, toyota axles,Trail Slayer kit, 5:71 gears, arb lockers, power tank, trail tough bumpers front, rear and rock sliders, 33" BFG Km, rock crawler wheels. I have more into it now but it really did well for the initial purchase price.
I have smoked one tranny. But it had a 180k on it. When I rolled the Geo it ran upside down for a few minutes. I have ran the geo on it's side and never starved the tranny that I know of.
The beauty of the Track/Kicks are that they are light. Keep it light I would say, but hell my geo is getting fat. You cannot go wrong with a 4dr. They are solid trucks. I rebuilt the tranny and put a cooler on it. Now I just need more power. I have already bought the under taker unit from TT, when I get it in I will post a little review of it. Also it's 4:88 gears w/35" tires and 4:56 w/33" tires when running the Undertaker. Here is what it looked like when first built.
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^^^^^^^

Dishtowel - take notes here!

I really appreciate all the input guys/gals. This is awesome. Thank you.

There is defiantly some wicked awesome products available for these things. Very cool.
Those link kits are defiantly the way to go, but $2800 for links+coils VS. $40 for leafs, that I already own. They will work for a couple years.

As far as power goes, this thing will probably feel limp wristed to me, I'm used to my 5.0L, at 3000revs, lol. But I started with a worn out 2.9L, and thats what makes me appreciate my 5.0L. Again, can't have everything right off the hop. Sure is good to have a good plan off the hop thought. I like this thread.

Mannysouza, you have a bitchin rig, I was checkin out your cage last night. Very nice rig man, good inspiration.


So far our plan of attack is forming up like this.

-Buy base,
-Move gas tank up into cabin so I can push the axle back.
-Length the existing 4 link and push the axle back as much as I can without cutting into the rear door.
-SAS, with leafs, and Full hydro, start saving to upgrade the Birfields.
-Bumpers, winch mount.
-Through out this whole process I'll be looking at reinforcement frame where I can. :)

Wheel it, and see what SHE wants to change after a year.
Save pennies to link the front one day.
Keep eyes peeled for a drivetrain deal to fall into my lap. By then the desire for power/better gearing will have developed and grown into enough ambition to tackle it. I'm still thinking what I was thinking at the start. 4.3L, with a TH350/400, and probably a Toy t-case. But really, who knows after the first year. :rasta:

sounds like a great game plan. The Trail Tough kit does include brake lines, high steer, shocks ect. Pretty good deal, IMO.
I cannot wait to see another Track/kick all done up. They wheel great because of their weight distribution. Have fun.

I think the Trail Tough kit is a must for this build.

From my limited knowledge of building 4x4's - it's HUGE value and it's a way to 'do it right', right out of the gate.

Using leaf springs is a crap shoot on a vehicle that never came with them OEM - trust me.

If you go with a 4-door, you don't need to stretch anything, it already has nice wheelbase. Go full hydro-steer on Toy axles, run 35" tires.

Viola, run with the big dogs. Why oh why build a rig - when YOU KNOW you'll be upgrading down the road? Place parts in it now that you'll never have to swap back out. Slightly more $$ up front = HUGE savings in the long term.

Like getting upgraded Birfs before it even hits a trail. Then you can run 33/35/37 whatever tire you want.

Just my 0.02$

thanks wera269 for the comment. the good thing about the tracker are the have better frames than a sammi. they are straight. i'm fixing to do a 4 link rear and 3 link front with yota axles under it for a buddy.

I think the Trail Tough kit is a dream for this build.

From my limited knowledge (hardly) of building 4x4's - it's HUGE value and it's a way to 'do it right', right out of the gate.


Using leaf springs is a crap shoot on a vehicle that never came with them OEM - trust me.
I believe you, but I also believe I have the ability to mold the setup into some very useful.

If you go with a 4-door, you don't need to stretch anything, it already has nice wheelbase. Go full hydro-steer on Toy axles, run 35" tires.
No 4dr's with autos in the province available, yet.

Viola, run with the big dogs. Why oh why build a rig - when YOU KNOW you'll be upgrading down the road? COST Place parts in it now that you'll never have to swap back out. Slightly more $$ up front = HUGE savings in the long term.
I'm not compromising the fun, the safety, or even the coolness. Throttling back the goal from trick link style suspension down to leafs on the front is not like sinking money into a TURD axle.
Weaker axles break and leave you stuck on the trail and in the woods, big chore for you, big chore for who your wheeling with. A less fancy suspension system means you have winch 4outof10 times in stead of 1outof10.

Like getting upgraded Birfs before it even hits a trail. Then you can run 33/35/37 whatever tire you want.
I'll wait for them break first once, lol. Guys are running 34's LTBs with no complaints from stock axles.

Just my 0.02$

What you described is a kick ass recipe, sorry if I seem like I'm going back to the stone age, but $3000(plus) links not within her/my scope right off the hop. Post 4, last paragraph.


I know you started from humble roots, I know I did, I think almost everybody start with a 'badass' set of 30" mud terrains, if everybody got to "Viola, run with the big dogs." I think we'd all end up a bit jaded. :p

GETTER DONE! I wanna biuld a cheap track/kick. lookin for one now.

my plans are radius arm front yota, leaves rear yota 33-35's homebrew kicker 3

I still would recommend linking it with coils. we had toy leafs up front and 4 link coils in the back of our rigs, and even with flat springs we where still to high. the way the frame is designed, using leafs prevents you from getting a lower stance. If you use coils, you will have a better range of height adjustability.

you will thank yourself later.

I still would recommend linking it with coils. we had toy leafs up front and 4 link coils in the back of our rigs, and even with flat springs we where still to high. the way the frame is designed, using leafs prevents you from getting a lower stance. If you use coils, you will have a better range of height adjustability.

you will thank yourself later.

yeah yeah what she said

Man, my last post kind of makes me sound like a stick in the mud. :clown:

I've been ogling that TT kit to much, it is fawesome, but f'expensive.

I do better when I can see my options.

Points to ponder, with approx costs. Because this world does turn on $$$.

Starting with a stock base rig, yet to be found. $1800 (guess)
Winch. $400
With both options I think stock drivetrain will be acceptable for a good while as long as there is no major catastrophes. Our terrain is main dish of trails with a little bit of everything else sprinkled on top.

Option "Homebrew"
-Stretch the rear links, add leafs to the front. Approx cost $600
-Sink $600 into the axles. (gears, spool)
-Hydro Steering. $1400
-Tires, 35-36". $1500
Summary: Bigger, knarlier, less polished, acceptable/poor ride, leafs on front, fully hydro steering.
If it to be fully linked and expanded upon in the future it will have to be all custom.
Total = ($2200 + $4100) = $6300


Option "Deluxe"
-TT links kit. $3200 (Canadian conversion, shipping)
-Dont dress up the axles at all, pick the set with the deepest gears out of my pile. (of 8)
-Tires, 33-34". $1000
Summary: Smaller, tighter, more polished, sexy, clean, faster build time, cross over steering. Very useable/user friendly. Smaller tires.
Expandable; can dress up the diffs when funds arrive, can add hydro steer when funds arrive, can add bigger tires when funds arrive.
Total = ($2200 + $ 4200) = $6400


At the risk of being cheesy and lame, Please help us pick one of the above options.

I get the feeling the current crowd is mostly going to say to choose option "deluxe". But, never know till you ask.

Thank you all for you input so far. I'm sometimes slow at processing. :D

Are you building this as an every day driver or just a trail toy?

I would say go with the slayer kit, 33's, flat belly, and some welded up axles! Upgrade if/when things break.

wow... I don't see a lot of benefits of the homebrew over the delux. Spend the extra C-note and get the delux.

Being that it is for your GF, I would definitely say do the deluxe way. GF's are much less forgiving of bad ride quality and if it was my GF I wouldn't want to risk her safety or comfort.

Being that it is for your GF, I would definitely say do the deluxe way. GF's are much less forgiving of bad ride quality and if it was my GF I wouldn't want to risk her safety or comfort.

This are my thoughts too.

Are you building this as an every day driver or just a trail toy?

I would say go with the slayer kit, 33's, flat belly, and some welded up axles! Upgrade if/when things break.
Not a DD, but road legal enough to get the the trails.

wow... I don't see a lot of benefits of the homebrew over the delux. Spend the extra C-note and get the delux.
Major factor being dropping all that coin before you can even hit the trail. (and part of me worry's that much money (that fast) will put her expectations through the roof)


Being that it is for your GF, I would definitely say do the deluxe way. GF's are much less forgiving of bad ride quality and if it was my GF I wouldn't want to risk her safety or comfort.
Good points, I was never planning to not be safe. And its not like leafs are less safe. Comfort, I get teased for my bronco riding like jello, it's to soft, and she didn't like that either, lol.


I like the kit. I'm still just having a hard time swallowing the idea of having to drop $6000 before theres dirt on her boots. We'll see what we can dream up.

I think you would be really shocked on the peformance of the Trail Tough Track/Kick with 33" tires. I know the undertaker is $1300 but you wouldn't need to regear the axles with it. Also you can get a Track/Kick for way less than $1800. Look around and take your time. Plus you could get the tires for less than a $1000. Shoot I bought my brand new Goodyear 35" with kevlar
for $150 each.

Zuki

:idea::idea::idea:

Undertaker = no need to re-gear

NICE

I think you would be really shocked on the peformance of the Trail Tough Track/Kick with 33" tires. I know the undertaker is $1300 but you wouldn't need to regear the axles with it. Also you can get a Track/Kick for way less than $1800. Look around and take your time. Plus you could get the tires for less than a $1000. Shoot I bought my brand new Goodyear 35" with kevlar
for $150 each.


I'm betting her, and I, would be majorly please with the TT kit.

$1300 Undertaker VS $6-700 gears = no brainer. Sry, lol.
Starting with 32"s and something deeper than 4.10's, I dont anticipate the need to re-gear for our terrain. I could be wrong thought.

As far as getting a tracker for under $1800, perhaps where you live. But the fact that the searches don't come up "No Results Found" is exciting. Everybody is broke because of economy, and the stuff that was sitting in their back yard just chillin now has to get moving because they need $$$. I expect to pay that for a decent base, or enough parts to make a decent base. If you start with chit you just have chit. (BUT!! Deals can be found)

At the risk of being cheesy and lame, Please help us pick one of the above options.


OK...At the risk of being cheesy and lame, Please post pics of said girlfriend :flipoff2:


I can't believe one of the old timers on here haven't brought this up yet...place is gettin' soft. :D

OK all ribbing aside...I think your way to high on some of your estimates...

I'm only gonna' have about $500 in my full hydro.

Somebody is always looking to move up in tire size, (tire "envy" gets alot of people) If you look around a little and are even half way connected with some other wheelers, I think you can get your tires for about a third of what you think.

(Oh yeah...I was kinda' serious about the pics...) :flipoff2:

OK...At the risk of being cheesy and lame, Please post pics of said girlfriend :flipoff2:


I can't believe one of the old timers on here haven't brought this up yet...place is gettin' soft. :D

yeah pics - what the heck?

seriously

The 1.8L 8v. Where is their powerband, what is a good cruising RPM?

OK...At the risk of being cheesy and lame, Please post pics of said girlfriend :flipoff2:


I can't believe one of the old timers on here haven't brought this up yet...place is gettin' soft. :D

OK here you go TatorZuk.
Please post pics of said GF.:D

Sorry to tell you this, but 4:10 gears and 32" tires are not going to cut it. The stock gerars are are 4:62 with an auto and even lower with a manual. So going up in tire sizeand putting higher gears, it is not going to be driveable. The undertaker is 1:5 between the tranny and tcase. So your 4:10 gears would turn into 6:15 which is low but it will help you 4 wheeling. I just suggested the undertaker because I was in the same boat as you. The undertaker wasn't even made yet when I started my build. Now if it was around I would have jumped on it, because I have to regear my tracker. That was money spent on the gears (Twice), labor setting them up (Twice) and me pulling the axles apart (Twice). With my 5:71 gears and 33" tires I couldn't even pull 4th gear so overdrive was always turned off. Now with 35" tires and 5:71 it only goes 65 mph and that's in it. I need lower gears! So I will be doing the 4:88 with an undertaker that will make my gearing 7:33 which wioll allow me to use overdrive and now have an extra gear somewhere in between to use.
I was just trying to save you some money in the long run.
With the undertaker you do need to mod the driveshafts front and rear.

Sorry to tell you this, but 4:10 gears and 32" tires are not going to cut it. The stock gerars are are 4:62 with an auto and even lower with a manual. So going up in tire sizeand putting higher gears, it is not going to be driveable. The undertaker is 1:5 between the tranny and tcase. So your 4:10 gears would turn into 6:15 which is low but it will help you 4 wheeling. I just suggested the undertaker because I was in the same boat as you. The undertaker wasn't even made yet when I started my build. Now if it was around I would have jumped on it, because I have to regear my tracker. That was money spent on the gears (Twice), labor setting them up (Twice) and me pulling the axles apart (Twice). With my 5:71 gears and 33" tires I couldn't even pull 4th gear so overdrive was always turned off. Now with 35" tires and 5:71 it only goes 65 mph and that's in it. I need lower gears! So I will be doing the 4:88 with an undertaker that will make my gearing 7:33 which wioll allow me to use overdrive and now have an extra gear somewhere in between to use.
I was just trying to save you some money in the long run.
With the undertaker you do need to mod the driveshafts front and rear.


Thanks for you experience Manny, I obviously was not taking this as seriously as you first tried to tell me. I see your serious.
I checked my pile of axles in the snow last night, one set of 4.10s, one set of 4.37s, two sets unknown.
An Undertaker is not in the budget at this stage, so it looks like she will just have to run whatever size tire works with the tracker drivetrain and 4.37 toyota gears. If that is 31's or 30's, we will see. Once the 'small' tires are rubbed down hopefully there is enough money saved for 35's and an undertaker.
Thank you for being patient enough to tell me a third time, lol.
When you have a nice driveable size of tire on, what RPM does the engine like to live at? Where does it make good power?

If you'r talking about the 1.8L engine, it's a completely different animal than the 1.6L engine. The 1.8L is a DOHC engine and has 120 hp vs. the 1.6L's SOHC with 95hp.

25 more ponies doesn't seem like much, but when 25 hp is 1/4 of your total power, that's a lot more power. A lot of the guys on here aren't going to be able to answer questions based on that engine. It's not one of the more common power plants. I think the sport model that had the 1.8L engine had a computer controled automatic though, can't be sure about that one but it might make re-gearing or divorcing the t-case problematic.

sounds like the engine of choice then

If you'r talking about the 1.8L engine, it's a completely different animal than the 1.6L engine. The 1.8L is a DOHC engine and has 120 hp vs. the 1.6L's SOHC with 95hp.


Appearently I'm drunk. I had been reading to many different things. Above I was asking about the 1.8, but, I should be asking about the 1.6. Going to look at a few rigs this weekend with 1.6 motors.

I wonder if this 2.0L DOHC would be any good or not. Probably wont bolt up is my guess.
Out of a 2001 Tiberon
http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-auto-parts-tires-engine-engine-parts-2-0-DOHC-Engine-W0QQAdIdZ113572003#

http://img1.classistatic.com/cps/kj/090707/738r5/657648k_20.jpeg

with the 33" tires and 5:71's, it really likes 4500 rpms on the freeway in third gear. I would like to be at 4500 rpm at 65 in fourth gear. I have an automatic.

Gosh,I didnt realize that a built Tracker or Samurai is the "girlfriends ride"!!

So, she bought one today.
92', with 92,000km on it.
Owned by an old lady for her GG.
bottom and engine bay have been antirust coated.
No rust
Runs nice, auto box shifts nice. (but the fluid is not pink? it's clearish, perhaps looks abit like hyrdaulic fluid. Didn't smell burnt or bad at all. Anybody know the spec for what oil is suposed to be in it?)
This thing is MINT.
$1600
I'm excited for her.

with the 33" tires and 5:71's, it really likes 4500 rpms on the freeway in third gear. I would like to be at 4500 rpm at 65 in fourth gear. I have an automatic.

kk, thanks for the input!
do you have a 4 speed auto? I thought they only came with 3 speed autos?

Gosh,I didnt realize that a built Tracker or Samurai is the "girlfriends ride"!!

Her DD is a CRV,
she wants a rig, and she likes the size of the tracker. Thats how we arrived here.

yes they came with a 4spd auto. Some are not fond of it because it an electric 4 spd. Been a great tranny. Put a cooler on yours, unless it's not in the budget.

mabye its just me but id put on some halfway aggresive tires but on a 2inch bodylift mabye some coil spacers and put a lockright in the rear. mine did great at an off road park 235alltrearians and 2inch bodylift open rear i run trails. and i went dam near were ever an 87 toy p/u sas lockrite rear on 33s did. the ifs aint the greatest but it aint the worst. also make or buy front diff skid to keep from smacking somthing into the alum front diff. ive been though sasing helping sas that 87 toy i dont wanna do it again il get another samurai dd/mild wheeler next project. dont mean to offend but its a GF it aint like your married dont put 6k into it she aught to like what i mentioned above it will also tell her wether she really like trackicks if she does then build it a bit more but no real need to make a fullout built to the hilt rig for a first time wheeler building process makes you apreciate it more. also ive been into building allout wheeler i didnt think putting fj40 axles under my samurai would be hard but gets involved expecially when you have to send it off to have the front knuckles cut and turned. START OUT SLOW!!!!