Hi all,

Venturing for the first time into the Nissan board to ask a couple of questions: Is there interest in new gearing options for the Nissan Titan front and rear differentials?

We're working on making OEM replacements, but I'll be honest I'm a Jeep and Suzuki guy myself, so don't know what kind of being builds are being done with Titans (besides straight axle and coilovers)

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Daren.

titan gearing would be beneficial for the xterra and frontier guys as well

the stock xterra and frontier front diffs are horrible and weak, most swap to the titan 205 front diff... this would give them gear choices as well

not to mention the m226 thats in titans is on nismo frontier models and offroad Xs... and its been a pretty common swap lately...

so if you do em for the titan, youd be helping out all the other platforms as well

BUT.. if you do the gen 2.... PLEASE DO GEN 1 frontiers and xterras, the h233 is in desperate need of 5.13s and such for cheap... 500 bills from nismo is stupid amounts of money for a R&P

I know you asked about Titan but.....

PLEASE DO GEN 1 frontiers and xterras, the h233 is in desperate need of 5.13s and such for cheap... 500 bills from nismo is stupid amounts of money for a R&P

Ditto! My 4.90's are fine for my small 32's and 33's but if I go larger, I'll need gears for sure in my 1st Gen Xterra.

Any nissan's will gain greatly from gearing options!:mr-t:

I second this. Make us some cheap gearing options, especially for us 1st gen pathy/frontier owners. Theres more of us running around modified than any other body style nissan right now.

Just so I'm on the right path:

H233 is the rear in the Frontier/Xterra, and people are looking for what ratios?

The Titan rear is similar to a Dana 44 in terms of size, and I'm seeing worn out gears from them being used as tow rigs, which is why we're looking to do stock ratios. What other kind of ratios would be ideal? Aftermarket ratios will take longer to develop, plus starting development from scratch to get matching front gears.

We're also looking at a couple locker options for the Titan as well too.

Just so I'm on the right path:

H233 is the rear in the Frontier/Xterra, and people are looking for what ratios?


It is also in the 1987-1995 pathfinder and 1987-1997 harbody V6's. The hardbody/pathfinder's use a 31 spline model, the 1996+ Pathfinder/V6 Frontier/Xterra's use a 33 spline model.

4.56's and 4.88's are avalible in stock 3rd members, we would be looking for lower gearing options such as 5.38's and maybe 6.17's.

If gear ratio's become cheaper, I am gonna look at building a hybrid FF H233.

It is also in the 1987-1995 pathfinder and 1987-1997 harbody V6's. The hardbody/pathfinder's use a 31 spline model, the 1996+ Pathfinder/V6 Frontier/Xterra's use a 33 spline model.

4.56's and 4.88's are avalible in stock 3rd members, we would be looking for lower gearing options such as 5.38's and maybe 6.17's.

If gear ratio's become cheaper, I am gonna look at building a hybrid FF H233.

even tho the pathy and harbodys use 31 splines, keep in mind THEY CAN USE THE SAME R&P as the 33 splines in the frontiers and xterras... except for the ones produced before 1990, they have an 9 bolt 3rd member i believe

the gears available stock in first gen frontys, xterras, pathys and HBs are 4.3, 4.63 and 4.9

i think 5.8... something is the lowest you can go, 6.17 is out of the question

Daren
superior has the titan gears sets out right now
3.73 , 4.10 and 4.56

not sure what ratio you wanted to do but , front gears are a huge one right now for the m205 differential since all that available is the rear gears

also the 05+ nismo frontier , 6 speed frontier , offroad x terra all have the m226 which is the same rear end as the titan

the only hang up is the pinion flange, some are 24 spline and some are 29 spline

from what ive seen the 24 spline is 4 bolt pattern on the driveshaft and 29 is 6 bolt pattern but i cant confirm

one other thing , the 08+ titans have a new spline count of 35 vs 33 to give you a heads when you design the locker

Any steps towards more Nissan aftermarket help will we greatly appreciated.

I know if a set of 5.3's came out for the H233b I would buy a set this week. I am deciding right now if I am going to swap the rear axle to get a better gear ratio. I know there are a lot of people swapping rear axles because there aren't any good gearing choices.

I would pay good money for some gears my titan is a slug. 37's+stock gears=fail
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/pufferdude/My%20truck/005-3.jpg

lower gears for the h233b axle and cheaper then the Nismo gears . 5.13-5.38s preferably to match other axles lik D44s.
And maybe a Mechanical locker the the rear h233b too or a cheaper selectable locker

Another vote for the h233 gears. Preferably a 5.13 or a 5.38 to match dana fronts. I would buy a set in a heart beat. As long as they are under $400 i promise they would sell very, very well.

Same here, I would love a set to match my D44 front, if not then I have a D44 rear to change out too.

i would buy couple sets for the h233 looking to biuld a front h233 5.13 -5.80's would be nice mabey a spool would be cool and cheap

I have a 2005 4x4 Titan that has the tow package gears. I have wanted 3.73's or 4.10's since I got the truck new.

Superior does have those ratios, but I believe they require bushings in some of the carriers as Superior is using a ring gear with smaller bolt holes-This is something talked about on the forums. I have not seen this personally as I have not purchased a set.

If you will offer gears for the front diff you will have my business. We know that the Titan is an orphan, but your production would make happy customers.

As you know the only rear differential choices for the 44 variant are the stock open, the stock e-locker and the Detroit Tru-Track.

Many of the stock e-lockers have died from the less than optimal quality of the powdered metal spider gears. 04-08 axles are a different spline size than the 08.5 and up models.

Gears are long over due in the after market.

How many units would you need to sell to make it worth your while?

Thank you for at least considering products for these trucks.

another vote for some lower gears for the 1st Gen Xterra/Frontier guys.....

For Randy's...

The Titan rear end is a variant of Dana's Super 44, and there have been those gears installed with minor modifications. The ring gear bolts are one item, the Super 44 ring gear takes a smaller dia bolt then the factory Titan ring gear does (I think its 7/16" vs 1/2"). There have been spacers used to install the ring gear, but I do know that my install has special bolts with a larger shank dia, but with the 7/16" thread...The Super 44 pinion does have the 29 spline used in early Titans, 04" and 05" model I believe...

The 4wd Titan crowd is howling for front diff gears!...The 2wd guys have had some limited options such as mine (3.73 & TruTrac) but the install was being done by just one So Cal rear end shop...

From a sale point of veiw, think about this...The Titan has spyder gears manufactured using a powdered metal process and that's the most common failure including their destruction taking out other wise good R&P gears...so every re-gear is the perfect time for a TruTrac install...and those bolt right in, available for 04'-07' models...

I have to say i would love some lower gears for my 04 titan its got power but i would love to save the tranny a bit while towing with some 4.10 or close gears.

I cant see towing what i tow now with the 36's i have planned for the future...

Usually a gear run starts minimum of 200 piece order, and for that low of a run there is a premium added to the price.

Rear gears we know are related to the D44 variations that we're developing already, so it's *kinda* easy to add on.

Fronts will be the bear to do, as they'll require complete development from ground up. Nobody happens to have a complete Titan front diff assembly they want to unload cheap do ya?

Thanks for the input, it's still stuff we're looking over.

Daren.

Usually a gear run starts minimum of 200 piece order, and for that low of a run there is a premium added to the price.

Rear gears we know are related to the D44 variations that we're developing already, so it's *kinda* easy to add on.

Fronts will be the bear to do, as they'll require complete development from ground up. Nobody happens to have a complete Titan front diff assembly they want to unload cheap do ya?

Thanks for the input, it's still stuff we're looking over.

Daren.

I gave my spare front and rear diffs to another company about 4 years ago and still have no results/gears. As a company that builds parts specifically for the second gen Xterra/Frontier and Titan market, I can assure you that you will easily sell your first run of 200 front r&p in the first few days...Ill buy the first 20 sets. The late model Nissan market is a far cry from the old days, these guys want quality and have money to spend...it really is that simple. The titan front diff is such a popular swap on the new Frontier/Xterra that they will be at least 1/4 of you front gear sales. 4.10 and 4.56 would be great, we dont need 5.38 or anything that steep, and with the small ring gear, the pinion would be tiny anyway.
Any rear gear set would most likely run the d60 spline like the '04-05 titan and 05 F/X with the 226 axle. Nissan went to a weird 24sp pinion but switching over to the earlier yoke will be easy (the Xterras can then run a 1350 yoke and a much needed custom drive shaft). The front gears are what is really needed as the rear gears are available and somewhat sorted...think late Jeep stuff.
As far as costs go, we as Nissan people, don't expect free parts and I think we would all agree that paying a bit more for needed r&p is par for the course. If you have any questions regarding any of the late model Nissan truck line, I'd be glad to help. Feel free to call 530 346 7774. Thanks...Greg
ps, here's a pic of my wife's X with a Titan front diff,axles,hubs, brakes, etc
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m138/prgproducts/IMG_5507.jpg

I have a 2005 Nissan Frontier with a M226 in the rear and a Titan M205 in the front. Would love gear sets in anther 3.73 or 4.10.

Greg just a heads up there are 2 different pinions
24 spline and 29 spline , still havent verified completly which come on what model, trim etc

I'm getting ready to do an SAS as well, need either another axle for the gears I want or purchase the gears for this axle. But for $500-$600 for a set of gears, I can buy an entire axle, gear it and mini-spool it and have a ton more options available for later on.

But if I could get the gears available for the H233b under my'02 X right now, I'd buy 'em.

Interested in 5.3* (whatever is available to match the D44 version) and some would want the 5.13 gears as well. Those with the 4.90 that is stock would like the 5.3*, those that came stock with the 4.63's, they'd love the 5.13. But if both were available, you'd be selling both.

Had to swap into a 9" for this:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/cyclemut/0927081616avu0.jpg

You would have had my business if you sold the H233b gears.

And, you'll want to do your homework (like I know you would do anyway), but there's an H233a for the older versions (different pinion setup, longer pinion) and then the H233b for the newer stuff.

I would like to see 5.38's for the H233b also and maybe a Grizzly locker.

Daren

3.73 , 4.10 and 4.56


This for the front titan differential.

the OP asked if there was any interest in front and rear gears for the titan , also he was aking what gear ratios people are looking for

Greg just a heads up there are 2 different pinions
24 spline and 29 spline , still havent verified completly which come on what model, trim etc

Make all the pinions 29 splines and we can buy the appropriate yokes, the extra $50-60 is well worth it. Also, any d60 yoke will work with the 29 sp too. Most of the 04-05 titans and 05 F/X stuff runs the 29 spline, '06 and later run the 24 sp pinions. Im not sure but does the new Jeep stuff run the odd-ball 24 spline yoke?
As for ratios...this is easy, start with 4.10 then 4.56. A lot of the 2wd titan guys are running 4.10s (me included) and the ratio is great...even with 37's. Most seem guys want more gear, but the late model Nissans run a very low first gear (around 4:1) and we dont need really steep gears like most trucks.

Any updates on this are you still considering it/working on gears for the titan?