Since we are all a bunch of opinionated SOB's would you be interested in a Daily Topic for the IH board? A different topic to debate Monday through Friday. Let me know, I'll take this week starting with this topic "Daily Topic". We can switch Topic starters weekly. We can really get the debates going, and provide a little reading for the IH board.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: jdjanda ]

Sound like fun. you lead and we'll follow. What do you want to yak about? <IMG SRC="smilies/devil.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/devil.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Well, we're yakking about having a daily topic. I want to know who's in, who's not.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

OK, here's a topic for you. Assuming you are a complete dumbass and you've stuck a S2 304 into a s800 - leaving the steering in the stock location. Now you've realized that you need a %^&$# radiator that will fit in the limited space that is left over. Only choice that will fit seems to be a 18x22 aluminum radiator. Will the 304 stay cool?

This is all hypothetical of course <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by old jeep:
<STRONG>OK, here's a topic for you. Assuming you are a complete dumbass and you've stuck a S2 304 into a s800 - leaving the steering in the stock location. Now you've realized that you need a %^&$# radiator that will fit in the limited space that is left over. Only choice that will fit seems to be a 18x22 aluminum radiator. Will the 304 stay cool?

This is all hypothetical of course <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Hmmm.. my GF's '68 800 has a '75 SII 304/closeT19 combo with the stock V8 800 radiator - works just great. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Oh, do you mean a 4cyl Scout 800?? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Another friend has a SBC350 in a Scout 80 - the radiator is mounted where the grille used to be..

BTW, only used a gallon of Herculiner on the 800 on Saturday/Sunday. Only got one coat on Saturday night - in the dark. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> Looks pretty good to me. Hopefully she'll get the pics off-loaded from her digital camera tonight and we can post some. Seats n' such go back in Tuesday (I have class this evening)

-Tom

68 Scout 800 - originally a 4 cylinder. Now it has a 304/T19/D20 in it. Crossmember located in stock location which puts the valve covers about 1.5" off the firewall. Here's a picture of the problem - notice the lovely bracing around the stock 4 cyl steering box.
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How big is a stock scout800 V8 radiator? The 4 cyl radiator is very small.

I'm in <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0">

[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: lt303scoutin ]

Originally posted by old jeep:
<STRONG>68 Scout 800 - originally a 4 cylinder. Now it has a 304/T19/D20 in it. Crossmember located in stock location which puts the valve covers about 1.5" off the firewall. Here's a picture of the problem - notice the lovely bracing around the stock 4 cyl steering box.

How big is a stock scout800 V8 radiator? The 4 cyl radiator is very small.</STRONG>

I haven't measured it. Might be able to tomorrow night.

I know the V8 radiator is mounted farther forward than the 4cyl radiator was - have you looked at moving it forward for more room?

I like the idea of a daily topic. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">


If I respond enough - i can get out of this NEWBIE status <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0">


But, how about a little better debate - If this one has not been too often.


To SOA or Not to SOA? One one hand you get better clearance, but on the other hand you move your center of gravity up a ways.


or


Engine swapping for a bowtie in your scout?


or ???


I think this can be fun.
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till the next response...



Ritch

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>I haven't measured it. Might be able to tomorrow night.

I know the V8 radiator is mounted farther forward than the 4cyl radiator was - have you looked at moving it forward for more room?</STRONG>

The 4 cyl radiator is mounted where the stock crossmember used to be (behind the steering box). With the V8 there is just enough room between the grill and the motor for a radiator. Problem is that the steering box keeps you from running a full width radiator. On the v8 scout800's the box is outside the framerail.

my 63 S80 isn't complete, but the PO put in a buick 300. He torched the stock Rad mounts and moved them clear forward, started fabbing new ones and quit.

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I'm in. Like Old Scout said... I wanna see how long you can keep this shite up! <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> JoeD = Daily Topic Administrator <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by lt303scoutin:
<STRONG>my 63 S80 isn't complete, but the PO put in a buick 300. He torched the stock Rad mounts and moved them clear forward, started fabbing new ones and quit.
</STRONG>

The buick 300 is a much better fit. Your valave covers fit inside the firewall pocket. On the 304, the valve covers do not so you have to move the motor way forward.

Do you have a radiator that fits? Or still figuring that out? My main concern is that the 18x22 aluminum will cool the motor enough. BTW, it's my neighbors scout. If it were my choice, I would have put a V6 in instead of the classic 900lb boat anchor <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> Lots of torque I'm sure, but jeez did they charge by the lb?

Yeah it'd be nice to log onto the IH Board and see some new topics.

Old Jeep, if you want them I have 3 V8 Scout 800 boxes that will probably end up in the trash as my friends and I swap on Power steering. I have one off a '71 right now and should have a '67 and a '70 soon. They're yours for shipping if you want them. Of course instead of going through all that trouble you could just swap on power steering and be done with it.
Travis

<IMG SRC="smilies/blush2.gif" border="0"> I stand corrected - this subject has provided better info than i thought possible. I have sooo much to learn.
Ritch

Originally posted by old jeep:
<STRONG>The buick 300 is a much better fit. Your valave covers fit inside the firewall pocket. On the 304, the valve covers do not so you have to move the motor way forward.

</STRONG>

Got Body Lift? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Or just make that doghouse a little larger - tuck that big V8 back into the tunnel a bit. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

The V8 800s had a taller body, BTW, to help fit the V8..

<STRONG>
instead of the classic 900lb boat anchor <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> Lots of torque I'm sure, but jeez did they charge by the lb?</STRONG>


Now now, it's only 700-750lbs wet, depending on 304-->392. A 6.9 or 7.3L Diesel might weigh in around 900lbs. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

SOA does not cause as many COG problems as you might think.

The flexier performance of the springs keeps your wheels and axles on the ground, vs getting picked. This keeps weight closer to the ground, and helps keep your rig from going over.

Course, you are higher, so your COG is higher, and you get more body roll, also, so...

I do not have the off camber confidence with my SOA that I had SUA. On the other hand, it is more stable than it feels. On the 30 degree ramp, I drove up it intil I had picked the rear tire 8 inches off the ground, and it did not go over, so, it is still pretty stable, more stable than I would have thought.

However, I had to go through an off camber spot at Roundup, and it was very un nerving

Patrick

Scout dude on this board has a small block chevy in his 4 cyl 80 with a Ford PS gearbox in front of the cross member. He should chime in on this. He has but the engine as far back as possible.

Agreed, everyone likes the daily topic, so I changed the name to 'Daily Topic - Fitting a V8 in a Scout 800"

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>Agreed, everyone likes the daily topic, so I changed the name to 'Daily Topic - Fitting a V8 in a Scout 800"

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Yea but Hooper is still lost! <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Hoop, get on the same page <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> We can do the SOA vs. SUA topic tomorrow.

On to today's topic:

Josh C, has a small block F**D in his 64? 80. The PO notched the drivers side firewall and flipped the exhaust manifold to fit the motor. It fits, but you better wear jeans while driving or you won't have any leg hair left. The radiator looks to be swap in from what I don't know. Old Jeep, I don't know if the 4 cyl rad will keep the 304 cool, why not just mount the radiator in the bed <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

I'm for it...

When I had the 304 in my 80, I moved the steering column down below the dash and used a Scout II PS box. Then I used the Scout II radiator between the grill and the crossmember. I had to cut a ditch in the crossmember for the lower radiator hose, 1/2 a piece of big pipe was welded in to reinforce it.

My steering column was different than the one in that picture though. For that situation, I would go with a steering box that mounts outside the frame. Chevy 2wd pickup PS box, or Scout II box. Rework the steering column to work with the new PS box. That would give alot more room to work with for the radiator. I also would move the crossmember forward as much as possible. Its a big PITA to try and work around the crossmember, if you get it out of the way it opens up alot of space. If you cut out the crossmember you can mount a 4-bolt saginaw PS box low on the frame rail and have the radiator above it. That is the setup I'm running now with the 472 and Cad ratiator. I moved the body mounts to the outside of the inner fender.

Originally posted by nwmud:
<STRONG> <IMG SRC="smilies/blush2.gif" border="0"> I stand corrected - this subject has provided better info than i thought possible. I have sooo much to learn.
Ritch</STRONG>

Welcome Newbie <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

You have much to learn grasshopper

Here is a link to an the SOA - SUA debate

null (http://null)Lift Q's (http://www.pirate4x4.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=15&t=000362)

I don't know if I want to go down the Chevy swap question, do a search the topic has been covered in many posts.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Old Scout:
<STRONG>Yea but Hooper is still lost! <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Engine swaps. Boooorrrriiinnnggggg!!!!!!

Back to wheeling topics!!!

Originally posted by Hooper:
<STRONG>Engine swaps. Boooorrrriiinnnggggg!!!!!!

Back to wheeling topics!!!</STRONG>

Come Awwwwn it takes real skill to shoe horn any non-4 cyl into a Scout 80/800. The SII is a different beast.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>Come Awwwwn it takes real skill to shoe horn any non-4 cyl into a Scout 80/800. The SII is a different beast.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>


Takes skill to take a jeep over the speed bumps at the mall, but I wouldn't want to do that either!!!
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All right. I give. There is sometimes a need to swap an 8cyl into an early Scout. I guess it is as good of a conversation pc as any. I guess I should pay attention to the thread, since I may find myself in the unenviable position of having to do something wierd like that.

All, right, I'll sit back and shut up so we can learn something from the thread.

But, tomorrow's topic of discussion better be something more interesting.

I know, tomorrow's discussion:

Winterizing your Scout. Here are some questions to start out.

When I am winterizing my Scout, should I add antifreeze to the blinker fluid?
Where can I get some winter air for my tires?
Should I use a spade shovel or a flat blade shovel to shovel the snow out the bed of my SSII?
How much snow can pile on top of my bikini top before it tears?
Where can I get a set of winter muffler bearings.
Where can I buy bias radial snow tires?

Sorry, I am a little late, but it's not midnight yet, so this can still go into today's topic. Here is a pic of my Chevy SB in my Scout. There are two ways that I have heardof/seen. One way is to removed the front x-member and move it and and the radiator support all the way forward like a V-8 Scout. You have to use a outside the frame steering box. I wanted to keep my CG towards the middle more and I already had a Ford 2wd PS box on the inside of the frame so I choose to put the motor near the stock location. In order to do this, I had to move part of my firewall over 2.5 inches. I swapped the radiator to the other side of the support and notched/reinforced the x-member. Also, my Radiator is the stock height & width but it is a triple pass, 5 core set up with Chevy ends. I had some trouble with it over heating on the freeway, but I have since, built, basically a shroud from the grill to the radiator. So far, it hasn't risen above 200.
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BTW, I know that I have the wrong type of intake on there...it was free and it works for the moment.
...Also, I can't wait for tomorrow spring-over debate...cause I have lots of input for that also. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: Scout Dude ]

[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: Scout Dude ]

I know it's not today's topic <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> But I think I've got the solution - should find out for sure tonight. I was trying to avoid the aluminum radiator because of the thickmess, and managed to find a copper/brass solution. It seems that 64-66 mustangs have a radiator the right size, and they make a special radiator designed to put a 302 into a 64-66 which has the inlet and outlet in the correct place.

So I'm picking up a new 3 core radiator tonight for the scout and hopefully that will take care of the problem.

Final update for a while: The mustang radiator arrived and had 1 1/4 inlets - so I returned that and got a cutom aluminum radiator from a local racecar shop. 18x18x3 aluminum core. It's all mounted and fits, now the question will be is it enough cooling power for the 304. Only time will tell since the scout is still a couple weeks away from running.

I think I am going to pull the V8 out and put a 152 backin. It's going to be a grocery getter for the wife...She prefers it stock and it has a warn overdrive to it should hiway fine with a 152.

The V8 in it wasn't finished being installed....16 years ago.It looks pretty rough as you can see from the pics but does turn over with a flex handle on the crank pulley nut.I am still to new to wrenching to rebuild it so I am going to try to put it back stock with a running 152. That way i can get it done and have a 2nd vehicle while I build My scout II for the trail.

In order to make the Buick fit the put in a 1 3/4" body lift (how ever tall 2x4" is..LOL)and cut the floor pan nad fire wall.

BTW anyone know what ratio increase the warn overdrive is, And can it be modified to be a gear reduction?

Originally posted by lt303scoutin:
<STRONG>I think I am going to pull the V8 out and put a 152 backin. It's going to be a grocery getter for the wife...She prefers it stock and it has a warn overdrive to it should hiway fine with a 152.

The V8 in it wasn't finished being installed....16 years ago.It looks pretty rough as you can see from the pics but does turn over with a flex handle on the crank pulley nut.I am still to new to wrenching to rebuild it so I am going to try to put it back stock with a running 152. That way i can get it done and have a 2nd vehicle while I build My scout II for the trail.

In order to make the Buick fit the put in a 1 3/4" body lift (how ever tall 2x4" is..LOL)and cut the floor pan nad fire wall.

BTW anyone know what ratio increase the warn overdrive is, And can it be modified to be a gear reduction?</STRONG>

Warn OD is a 1.25 overdrive and nope, you can't make it an underdrive.