Next week's series of storms are expected to bring up to 20" of rain to the foothills, and 4" - 10" of rain the the coasts and valleys. They said the desert was going to get about 3" - 8". Just in time for KOH, the lakebed will actually be a lake....

JV mud is thick, nasty shit. Should make it interesting. All of the trails will get washed out, too, just in time to make it all different right before the race. Good times.

Would be cool if we get that much rain! That’s going to make the camping out there crowded as fawk if the lake bed is a lake again :eek::laughing:

Next week's series of storms are expected to bring up to 20" of rain to the foothills, and 4" - 10" of rain the the coasts and valleys. They said the desert was going to get about 3" - 8". Just in time for KOH, the lakebed will actually be a lake....

JV mud is thick, nasty shit. Should make it interesting. All of the trails will get washed out, too, just in time to make it all different right before the race. Good times.

We got about that much last year at this time.

It dried up nicely for the race

At least, maybe the dust will be down this year...>?

Lake should be dry but it would be killer for the trails.

Lake should be dry but it would be killer for the trails.


Yep, all the stacking and 44" tires in the world doesn't change the trails as much as two straight days of rain

:D

East coast boys have been doing rain dances, blame it on them.:flipoff2:

Unless it rains the night before the race it will do little for the dust.

Bring it, I'm used to wheeling in the rain. :laughing:

Yep, all the stacking and 44" tires in the world doesn't change the trails as much as two straight days of rain

:D

I wanna be first up Backdoor with "clean" rocks. I've never seen it except for when it's got sand all over them.

Most of cal is getting inches of rain

on the lake bed
Time (PST) 18 Jan 1:48 pm
Temp. 55 (f)
Wind 17G42 (mph)
Precip 6 hour .06 (inches)

Rain? Lake? For my first trip, should I like bring my swim suit or something?:p
Del

i think i'll throw min a pair of water skiis !!!!!!
i'm sure i could find someone to tow me with - say, 150' of rope !!!

Topless water-skiing on the lakebed?? Guys, I mean. :grinpimp::homer:

don't knock it til you tried it !!!!!:rolleyes:

Topless water-skiing on the lakebed?? Guys, I mean. :grinpimp::homer:

Ya, I'm in...Just like we used to do at Deep Creek...back in the day...:laughing:

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Ya, I'm in...Just like we used to do at Deep Creek...back in the day...:laughing:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/ChopsHog/Throwback2001.jpg

Awesome :laughing:

Most of cal is getting inches of rain

on the lake bed
Time (PST) 18 Jan 1:48 pm
Temp. 55 (f)
Wind 17G42 (mph)
Precip 6 hour .06 (inches)

This...


Roads were flooding in Apple Valley, FEET of snow were falling in Big Bear and we were sitting around the fire until 2:00 AM on Sunday. Wheeled most of the day on Monday with ZERO dust and light winds.

Awesome day

d

And I took the snorkel off my Jeep????

I hope Hammer Town dosen't become Atlantis

Time 19 Jan 7:48 pm (PST)
Temp. 37 (f)
Precip 0.43 (inches) 24 hour Control


It doesnt rain much in Hammer Town

It's brown out there for a reason:smokin:

Every event, be it KOH, the Jambo, Thanksgiving, or New Years, it is the same speculation...

It will be what it will be. No one knows, no one can predict, you can only be prepared, or not. :D

i have the same amount of water at lake BMW in one day as i did last year after several days of rain. i was told we only got half a inch so far. two inches is predicted for the storm tomorrow, and the storm after that has more rain i've been told.


lake BMW last year...i think i've had more so far this week.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o230/DJ404564X4/BMW/rain005.jpg

just sayin, it might be moist, but not warm....

Lake Borrego Springs formned last night, and with more rain on the way...

I love the idea of some serious rain just before the race.
And Del, at least we know there will be some 4x's out there
to get the RV's unstuck from the mud.

:D

BUT--- ya gotta remember that we have DRY rain to go with our 'dry heat' !!!!


i have water skiied behind cars in irrigation ditches 3' wide--- (years ago i will admit)- but it is do-able !!!!!!-


do 'muddeers' qualify as 'flotation' tires !!!!!????? i'm ready !!

i have water skiied behind cars in irrigation ditches 3' wide--- (years ago i will admit)- but it is do-able !!!!!!-


It ain't noth'n unless ya get pulled by your teeth... :laughing:

It ain't noth'n unless ya get pulled by your teeth... :laughing:

Do they haveta' be your real teeth?

Wow Hammer Hog! That Deep Creek picture brings back memories! All good ones! Too bad they closed it!

If there is any water in the lake--- wanna place any bets as to how many drive thru the water/mud--- and how many find a BOMB CRATER beneath the surface of the water ! ??????


there are some craters that will hide a surburban--and full of water and not visible !- -----a receipt for DISASTER !!!!!!


ITS GONNA HAPPEN !!

If there is any water in the lake--- wanna place any bets as to how many drive thru the water/mud--- and how many find a BOMB CRATER beneath the surface of the water ! ??????


there are some craters that will hide a surburban--and full of water and not visible !- -----a receipt for DISASTER !!!!!!


ITS GONNA HAPPEN !!

:lmao: But not really, it could end badly.


Anyone have any pics on the current conditions on the lake bed?

My son stuck a YZ426 in a bomb crater that 'looked' dry. 3" of crust later it was stuck stuck! He had goey clay mud from head to toe and we had to get a jeep to pull it out. The lakebed gets gooey, but not much standing water. It's fun for psuedo 'ice' wheeling....50 mph and crank the wheel, impossible to roll w/o the help of a crater.

has been raining since last night a 3pm till now...

Lake bed mud is the worst mud I have ever encountered! It had been raining for an hour or two? We took off across the lakebed and I was clueless. We hit the mud haulin ass and had freaking basketball sized mud clumps landing on us! :eek: Even at 1/2mph my tires were still slingin nasty nasty mud :lmao:

Any update on the lake bed condition? Some of us are towing large trailers behind 2WD tow rigs. :D

It will dry up this week as the forecast is for sunny skys.

Any update on the lake bed condition? Some of us are towing large trailers behind 2WD tow rigs. :D

Main camp is dry. Parts of the course are pretty wet. All the dry lakes...aren't.


And none of it makes a difference because we're still 3 weeks out ;)

d

Oh german weather!?
It`s Ok:rolleyes::D

Who wants to go watersking?

Race course goes right down the middle.

East coast guys think they can handle it?:flipoff2:





http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=659&pictureid=6677

Hammertown has lake front lots for sale real cheap. Here is your chance to experience the waterfront lifestyle you have always dreamed of. Close to down town Hammertown and all the action. These lakefront lots are walking distance to city hall. Contact hammertown reality, to take advantage of this limited offer. Waterfront lots will go fast, get them while you can.:flipoff2:
Opprotunities like this dry up fast.



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You have quite a nack for this marketing thing. No wonder this little ol' race has grown the way it has.

Race course goes right down the middle.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=659&pictureid=6677

Low man on the totem pole gets that section for recovery.:eek:

Lake bed mud is the worst mud I have ever encountered!

I just spent 30 minutes and $14 in quarters to get Melville mud off of my truck from yesterday. I had only crossed one 30' section on the far edge of the lake and it ended up even on top of my truck! It was packed deep into the wheel wells and stuck there, laughing at the power washer... Beware Melville mud! I wish I had gone back the way I came and found another route. It would have been faster in the long run.

Who wants to go watersking?

Race course goes right down the middle.

East coast guys think they can handle it?:flipoff2:





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NO bypasses around this, I say lets add silt/mud bogging to the race!

East coast guys think they can handle it?:flipoff2:


A certain race called the RCQ reminds me of this. :flipoff2:


I think we will be fine.:D

Jeff's sales pitch sounds like one that came out years ago-----

river front lots for sale on the banks of the Armagosa River !! the sales pamphlets even went so far as to have a pic of a riverboat on the river !!!!!

a LOT of 'back-easterners' bought to lots as the price was too good to pass up !!









the Armagosa River is the bottom of Death Valley !!!!!!!!!!!! (NO water, NO RIVER !!)


go git 'em Jeff'ie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO bypasses around this, I say lets add silt/mud bogging to the race!

I agree, "KING OF THE HAMMERS" needs to include all the challenges that the Hammers has to offer, not just the easy rock trails...


:D

A little rain the week of the race wouldnt bug me to much but I will be worried about the rental motorhome :eek:

Who wants to go watersking?

Race course goes right down the middle.

East coast guys think they can handle it?:flipoff2:





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Run 'em through this and I'll go with an even dozen sunk to the frame goin' nowhere:laughing::laughing:

Run 'em through this and I'll go with an even dozen sunk to the frame goin' nowhere:laughing::laughing:


More like all 100.:D

That mud is terrible out there.

whatcha think killed the T-Rex ?? !!!

he gotr stuck in the 'dry like' mud !!!!!

I should have kept the boggers

whatcha think killed the T-Rex ?? !!!

he gotr stuck in the 'dry like' mud !!!!!

And you just stood and watched? PETA is coming for you.:D

And you just stood and watched? PETA is coming for you.:D

Krusty is one of those enviros that think ya' gotta' let nature take its course...
so yeah, he just watched.

:Dlooks nice....just like back home wheeling and racing.

Mr. Benelovent one. If you can grant me one wish....be that for mud for the day of KOH. Over and out...:D

FOR RENT: 54" Boggers, 8 on 6.5" bolt pattern, double beadlocks, send me a PM if interested. :laughing:

Regardless of the race conditions, this is going to be a week to remember.


But if it is super wet, it is going to be out of control. :evil:

But if it is super wet, it is going to be out of control. :evil:

One might even say Off the chain...
:grinpimp::p:smokin::laughing:

I should have kept the boggers

screw boggers. im bringing some super scoopers

All the East Coast boys are drooling right now, I can't wait to see this shit happen. :laughing:

I'm looking foreward to the 'mud' runs !!!!!!!

betcha one of them finds a bomb crater !!!!!!!!!!

Condition updates?

We still do the water skiing thing at deep creek..and knee bording

Condition updates?


It doesn't look good!:(

http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USCA0592?from=today_topnav_AirQuality

So the question is do I need to run my krt's or non sticky irocks if it is muddy?

Ran a few trails on Thursday, other than a little water on the lakebed it's pretty dry, & the trails haven't changed. Don't think there were any flashfloods associated with the recent rains.

Paul

We still do the water skiing thing at deep creek..and knee bording
Has it re-opened? And can you still ride through the spillway?

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Those were the days! The only bummer was...seemed like every time we were there, some idiot managed to get airlifted out. Probably one of the reasons it got closed off.:mad3:

NO its not legal to go to the spillway But we do...we are allowed to go up to the signs..Last year we had water until july..we still go down there alot

Any update on the conditions out there? I'm not looking forward to a muddy trip, I could do that here in TX. :laughing:

Any update on the conditions out there? I'm not looking forward to a muddy trip, I could do that here in TX. :laughing:

I'll probably be talking to folks on the lakebed tomorrow, I'll try to remember to ask.

You're coming for sure?? I probably have a few more gigs of music on my hard drive.

I'll probably be talking to folks on the lakebed tomorrow, I'll try to remember to ask.

You're coming for sure?? I probably have a few more gigs of music on my hard drive.

Oh I'm coming, I would rather not get my truck and toy hauler buried on the lake bed but I'm coming to CA for sure. :D I guess we'll make the trip and play it by ear, I'll have my Jeep so we can always camp off the lake bed and drive to where we want to be, my Jeep has seen it's share of mud.

Oh I'm coming, I would rather not get my truck and toy hauler buried on the lake bed but I'm coming to CA for sure. :D I guess we'll make the trip and play it by ear, I'll have my Jeep so we can always camp off the lake bed and drive to where we want to be, my Jeep has seen it's share of mud.

There is no danger of that. Means was nearly dry on Sunday. It isn't supposed to rain out there (other than a drizzle maybe) until the LCQ days. The other lake, Melville, I think, is truly a lake.

Main camp and pits are fine. General camping will be OK too, but there will not be as much room as normal because a lot of places folks usually camp east of Boone road are still mud.

Be very careful if you tow out near the phone tree. It may look dry, but anything heavy will sink. On Sunday there were people on the south lobe of the lake with trailers and they were fine. That will be the best area for general camping.

If someone wants to find mud there is plenty to be had, but not on the race course.

Awsome, can't wait to get back out there. :smokin:

It is amazing how fast Means is drying up.

Yesterday, late afternoon, we got back from marking course (highly recommended, pounding stakes all day!) and a local kid came up to camp asking us to pull his friend's motorcycle out of a mud filled bomb crater out in the middle of the lake. I assumed that it was going to be a sloppy mess just getting to him and then needing to tie several tow straps together just to reach him. I was trying to keep mud off of my truck, but these guys needed help, so off I went.

We had to thread our way among some puddles, but mostly it was just damp and barely sticking to my tires! I was able to back right up the the bomb crater where the bike was buried in mud up to the bottom of the tank and did not even spin a tire as I slowly pulled him out!

When I got here on Sun the Phone Bush was surrounded by water. Yesterday I drove right up to it.:D

I still think that heavy vehicles should be very careful where they go, but was really encouraged to see how fast Means is drying up!

weather is calling for rain on fri and sat this week.. but race day is clear another site said rain on race day

It always rains on that weekend..I race in the NHRA..winter nationals weekend..always rained out...not Racing that week..I will be playing in the Mud with you folks:grinpimp:
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more Rain on the way:smokin:

Has anyone who's on the lake bed already posted or phoned in some real world conditions? I'm just wondering what we're heading for before leaving and whether I need to bring my hip waders. The weather report says they've gotten light rain today but the rest of the week looks great and sunny except for Wed.

The ground at the lakebed:

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The ground at the lakebed:

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GREAT. :laughing:

I live in Hesperia 45min from johnson valley...Our city just sent us a message that states...We are gonna get 2 to 4 in of SNOW on wednesday...the Cajon pas WILL be CLOSED...hesperia and johnson valley are about the same elevation..and same distance from big bear mountains...

I live in Hesperia 45min from johnson valley...Our city just sent us a message that states...We are gonna get 2 to 4 FT of SNOW on wednesday...the Cajon pas WILL be CLOSED...hesperia and johnson valley are about the same elevation..and same distance from big bear mountains...

Where did you hear this at?? We live by Ranchero and 7th in hesperia also..

the city of hesperias alert system...my friends are getting the same call...apple valley is getting the same calls

Weather.com is only showing A.M showers on Wednesday. The other days are sunny.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/USCA0036

check national weather service

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Landers&state=CA&site=VEF&textField1=34.2661&textField2=-116.392&e=0


Landers, CA

I checked and my wife doesent know the difference between ft and in....Its 2 to 4 in of snow:homer:

all loaded up heading out at 8am shouldn't be a bad drive..only 45min away