What hard parts do you carry when wheeling? I'm heading to the Con this weekend and want to know what others keep in there rigs.

Here's my list

1. Set of front axles
2. One rear axle
3. Square drive shaft for front
4. Set of hubs
5. Points dist.
6. Manual steering box
7. Bunch of 1310's

I figure that should be enough to get me out of trouble and home on at least one of the two axles <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Anyone got Joel's list off the digest <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

BORING...:YAWN:...I thought we were going to discuss spring over vs sprung under <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>What hard parts do you carry when wheeling? I'm heading to the Con this weekend and want to know what others keep in there rigs.
</STRONG>

Well, if *I* were heading to the 'Con, I'd bring a LOT more spare parts.. but that's over 1000 miles from home for me... and I have a reputation for shredding hard parts. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Here's my list of things that I carry in the Scout (doesn't include the parts I could now carry on the trailer/crewcab)

Front driveshaft
2 Rear driveshafts
Rear axle shaft
Front axles
Couple driveline U-joints
1 axle joint.
fuel pump
locking Hub.
full-size spare tire
Fan-spacer (for replacing a suddenly dead fan clutch)
ROCKER ARMS and PUSHRODS (one full 'shaft worth)
Assortment of belts
Shovel (under hood)

Probably more stuff I can't remember.. plus too-many tools, too.

Misc. nuts n' bolts, welding rod, impact wrench, air-drill, air-chisel, blow-gun, antifeeze, oil, p/s fluid, 2 Come-alongs, some chain, tow-straps (short cheap ones you can tie-off, and the 3"x30'), hot-dog roasting tines (can't forget those!), Military MREs (just in case), water, Alumaseal, radiator hoses, heater hose, fuses, *wheelbearing socket*, gear oil, driveline U-joint U-bolts, front brakelines..

And when I went to Moab this year, I carried a spare rear spring pack, but not on the trail. A Hi-Lift handle can make an OK spring replacement for a short while. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

<IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> WOW! You carry a lot of stuff. Shouldn't there be a good ballance between replace parts and tools vs weight.
I always thought too much weight robs your ability to wheel well.
I do agree that the need for lots of tools and parts are needed, I do think there should be some balance. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> Plus if your wheeling with similiar vehicles, you can share the parts needed. Unless you just know your going play hard and break lots of stuff.
Have fun on the Con <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0">
Ritch

Originally posted by nwmud:
<STRONG>WOW!
I always thought too much weight robs your ability to wheel well.
<IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0">
Ritch</STRONG>

Better re-think that OR sell your heavy ass Scout and buy a sammy!

Yes Ritch, there is. But TOM is not your *normal* person... therefore, he packs EVERYTHING <g>. Course, all that weight probably helps him break things.

However, he has pointed out a something that I may start doing as well (dear god!!). Spare springs. I've seen a couple of dead trucks due to broken springs, and broken a set my self (thankfully not the main), really puts a damper on yours, and the rest of the people in you group’s, day. I think carrying spare MAIN LEAVES isn't a bad idea. The main leaves are much easier and lighter to carry than full packs, don't take up *that* much room. Plus they are really the only thing that, if they break, are bad news (spring wise). Carry one front, and one rear main, and maybe a spare long leaf or two (something that can be used front or rear). If you break, you just strip apart you pack and replace it, probably takes just as much time as jury rigging something, and then you can continue playing or safely make it down the trail.

Best yet, you can find a place on the chassis (say strapped to the frame somewhere) and forget about them. They are always there, they take up no cargo room.

OK, time to go to work........

Originally posted by nwmud:
<STRONG> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> WOW! You carry a lot of stuff. Shouldn't there be a good ballance between replace parts and tools vs weight.
I always thought too much weight robs your ability to wheel well.</STRONG>

DITTO what OS said. Usually a Scout is the heaviest vehicle on the trail assuming no full-size rigs. 4,500 lbs. without tools and parts. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Scout Dude:
<STRONG>BORING...:YAWN:...I thought we were going to discuss spring over vs sprung under <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Quite your bitch'n. I'll put it up at some point, you can start here. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">


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Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite:
<STRONG>I think carrying spare MAIN LEAVES isn't a bad idea. The main leaves are much easier and lighter to carry than full packs, don't take up *that* much room. Plus they are really the only thing that, if they break, are bad news (spring wise). Carry one front, and one rear main, and maybe a spare long leaf or two (something that can be used front or rear).</STRONG>

That's a dam good idea. I won't be able to do it until I switch to the SOA. I'm not buying another set of 4" SJ's. The other option, which I'm considering is custom springs with military wrap, and a 1 to 2 inch lift for the SOA.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite:
<STRONG>Yes Ritch, there is. But TOM is not your *normal* person... therefore, he packs EVERYTHING <g>. Course, all that weight probably helps him break things.
</STRONG>

I pack one of everything I've broken. Sometimes two! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

<STRONG>
people in you group?s, day. I think carrying spare MAIN LEAVES isn't a bad idea. The main leaves are much easier and lighter to carry than full packs, don't take up *that* much Best yet, you can find a place on the chassis (say strapped to the frame somewhere) and forget about them. They are always there, they take up no cargo room.

OK, time to go to work........</STRONG>

Did you get a job, Mark??

Breaking a leaf spring when you drive your rig to the trail is a HUGE PITA when you need to drive home... I plan on trailering mine more often, which means less of a PITA.. but, still, if I'm haulin' 1000 miles to go play, I sure don't want to call it quits after the first day and a broken spring.. <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0">

I was just thinkin', Mark.. since I moved my exhaust outboard of the frame in the rear (thanks to the SOA smashing the old exhaust).. the passenger side frame rail has the ProJection fuel pump n' such there, but the driver's side rear section of the frame is relatively unused, AND high up/out of the way.

I might have to check and see just how well a rear spring pack will tuck up against the frame rail/under the body. Seems that would be about the best location, and the curve of the frame might even match the curve of unloaded springs..

If I can find a spot for 'em, I'd just carry a full pack.. that much less work to R&R it, and if it's tucked out of the way, it's only a little more weight. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

-Tom (loaded for Bear..)

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>That's a dam good idea. I won't be able to do it until I switch to the SOA. I'm not buying another set of 4" SJ's. The other option, which I'm considering is custom springs with military wrap, and a 1 to 2 inch lift for the SOA.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Well, aside from the lack of military wrap, I thought the 4" SJs WERE 1-2" of lift. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

I'm thinking of using the flexy 4" SJ rears SOA.. they only gained me less than 2" of lift when I first put 'em in anyhow..

Perhaps XLCs and an RS up front'll balance it out well 'nuff..

Originally posted by nwmud:
<STRONG> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> WOW! You carry a lot of stuff. Shouldn't there be a good ballance between replace parts and tools vs weight.
I always thought too much weight robs your ability to wheel well.
</STRONG>

Is that a fat-joke? <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Or maybe that explains why, when I add my cooler n' other stuff, the rear bumper drags. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Or why I thought my SJs only provided under 2" of lift? <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

<STRONG>
I do agree that the need for lots of tools and parts are needed, I do think there should be some balance. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> Plus if your wheeling with similiar vehicles, you can share the parts needed. Unless you just know your going play hard and break lots of stuff.
Have fun on the Con <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0">
Ritch</STRONG>


I don't often get to wheel with similar vehicles. I have the only built Scout in Helena.. and when I've gone to Moab, it was always solo - I could never get anyone else to join me.

I forgot to add draglink and tie-rod to my list. I *used* to carry spares - for the most part, I leave 'em at home now since I have Gryphin Racing DOM parts now.

I've used the rear axle shaft, a couple rear driveshafts, draglink, U-joints, and hubs before. I have yet to actually R&R a front 'shaft in the field.

The driveshafts and axle shafts sit on the passenger rear of the Scout. Tucked between the rollbar and bedside, and down into the corner of the bed. My 48" Hi-Lift sits behind the front seat most of the time (tho' I like Mark Ashford's mount - just about where the passenger door-sill is, front to back) and my NEW FREE 60" Hi-Lift now sits on top of the driveshafts n' such and leans on the rollbar.

-Tom

Don't forget a spare tie rod, maybe a drag link too.

Oops - Tom already mentioned them.

Be sure to take a spare rag joint if you haven't modified your steering linkage.

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>Well, aside from the lack of military wrap, I thought the 4" SJs WERE 1-2" of lift. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Maybe with all the extra shit you carry, don;t you also carry a 192 n'case the motor blows <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> You might net 1" of lift.

Originally posted by tsm1mt:
<STRONG>Perhaps XLCs and an RS up front'll balance it out well 'nuff..</STRONG>

If I had more time this is the route I wanted to go, then when I'm loaded it would have sat level, but I don't have time if there is a problem with the rear drive shaft. Save the front SOA for later.

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Tom,
<IMG SRC="smilies/devil.gif" border="0"> Someone needed to play the devil's advocate. I do agree with with you about taking as much as you can. My wife is always all over me about hauling too much stuff. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> I also understand about not having same type vehicles around. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> My wifes rig is a full size Bronco and we run with a lot of Broncos and Jeeps. When I get my Scout put together - I will have to play with the Binders more so i can watch them move these little wonders around. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">
I'm enjoying this daily topic... how about You?
Ritch <IMG SRC="smilies/jester.gif" border="0">

I always seem to need more of these... <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>Quite your bitch'n. I'll put it up at some point, you can start here. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">


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Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Sorry, but I couldn't think of anything else to say without having had any coffee yet. In reality, I don't carry any extra parts cause all of my $hit has already broke at least once so all of my spare parts are now bolted on.

<IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by jdjanda:
Maybe with all the extra shit you carry, don;t you also carry a 192 n'case the motor blows You might net 1" of lift.


Well, I thought about the extra engine for a while.. instead, I settled on towing a complete spare Scout behind me instead. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Now I think I'm just going to put "Tigger" on the trailer behind the crewcab (IH) and call it good. Drag my broken junk back to the support rig n' call it a day. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Don't forget simple stuff like inline gas filters, gave mine to a guy on the trail this weekend who was having problems and I'll be damned if mine didn't stop up one the way back to camp. Luckily some good guys camped next to us fixed me up with another one.

The most important things we carry is not parts but what some people in camp called our mobile shop.

Diesel Lincoln welder, cutting torch, grinder, every imaginable hand tool, impacts, etc.

You can't take all of these out on the trail with you but you can have them at camp.

We both broke on the trail this weekend but we were able to patch up and make it back to camp where we fixed it (pretty much manufactured me a new drag link, and fabbed a cross member for skeetshooters samurai to keep the frame from flexing at the steering box)

We also take plenty of steel plate, square tubing, angle iron, and pipe that way if we break bad we at least have a chance of getting back on the trail even if we have to work on it all night. Ronny

Originally posted by Hayraker*:
<STRONG>Don't forget simple stuff like inline gas filters, gave mine to a guy on the trail this weekend who was having problems and I'll be damned if mine didn't stop up one the way back to camp. Luckily some good guys camped next to us fixed me up with another one.

The most important things we carry is not parts but what some people in camp called our mobile shop.

Diesel Lincoln welder, cutting torch, grinder, every imaginable hand tool, impacts, etc.

You can't take all of these out on the trail with you but you can have them at camp.

We both broke on the trail this weekend but we were able to patch up and make it back to camp where we fixed it (pretty much manufactured me a new drag link, and fabbed a cross member for skeetshooters samurai to keep the frame from flexing at the steering box)

We also take plenty of steel plate, square tubing, angle iron, and pipe that way if we break bad we at least have a chance of getting back on the trail even if we have to work on it all night. Ronny</STRONG>

Holy shit bat man, what you roll a semi into to camp with all the equipment.

Hey, I didn't finish lengthening my frame; I can't go on the run. No problem just tow your rig to camp, we've got the frame jig waiting. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>Holy shit bat man, what you roll a semi into to camp with all the equipment.

Hey, I didn't finish lengthening my frame; I can't go on the run. No problem just tow your rig to camp, we've got the frame jig waiting. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Heh. Hayraker packs like I do!

You should see us when we go racing - we KNOW we're going to break stuff.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Now that I have the crewcab, I have all kinds of ideas on more tools n' such.. might even go so far as to permanently mount toolchests n' such.

On-board air is already installed.. probably go with multiple batteries for a stick-welder setup..

Damn it man. You guys break alot of shit if you have to carry all of that. I have only broken one lockout and stretched one u-bolt. Thats all I ever broke on any modified Scout. I learned a long time ago its way better to pull out the cable then to tear your rig up! And EVERY year they get tore down and every u-joint gets changed. I didnt lose any joints when it was all I-H. Cant say that now though! I prefer to ride a trail then to be broke on it. Try doing alot of prevent maintenance every year and things will be alot better. Buy the best parts you can. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

Spare set of front shafts, hub, (2) 1310's, spindal,wheel bearing ( 1 set ) basic tools. a few odds and ends in my tool box and that is it...well except for plenty of extra <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>Holy shit bat man, what you roll a semi into to camp with all the equipment.

Hey, I didn't finish lengthening my frame; I can't go on the run. No problem just tow your rig to camp, we've got the frame jig waiting. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Joe <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Well, skeetshooter has the welding rig mounted on his Dodge (welder by trade), he pulls a 24' gooseneck, and I pull a 20' gooseneck with my Dodge. I have a regular bed on mine so we load up everything we can think of in it.

However it seems like no matter how much we take we always need something else.

Oh,BTW Joe, I know you were joking about the frame lengthening, but there were a couple driveshafts made, steering linkage completed, brake work, etc. all done in camp Friday night.

We just pulled in about dark and went to wrenching. It is about the only time we have to work on our rigs. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">