So here's the story of another Dodge that's going to end up on Rockwells.
I wasn't going to post anything yet. I had a shop lined up for this month and I was going from 50hrs+ a week at work to 80hrs a month( workshare ). I finaly had the time to finish my truck...
But instead, on Dec 31st I ended up in the hospital with a massive heart attack. Needless to say, the project's on hold for a bit.:(

Here's what I started with, a '96 2500 Ram extended cab long box.
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5205/pict0004800uq2.jpg

After swaping out the 360 V-8 for a cummins and replacing the stock diffs for a kingpin dana 60 and dana 70 in the back the truck looked like this.
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9128/96dodgecummins.jpg

Before I ever got to run that set up I sold the 42" Iroks and the diffs and picked up a set of rockwells and 49" Michelin XL's.
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5466/18838618.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5222/imgp1621small.jpg

Only problem now is the cross member under the engine is resting firmly on that super tall third member of that front diff, that's already 8" further ahead of it's original position.
I don't really care much for the leaf springs anyways so I picked up a couple of SU joints and as soon as my health permits, I'm going to uni-link front and rear with air bags in all four corners. (Why air bags? Because I already have some here... )

Why on earth would you put the leaf spring shackles up front anyway?

cause "its a Jeep thing"?:barf:

Why on earth would you put the leaf spring shackles up front anyway?

I dont know if you ever looked at a Dana 60 from a '90-'93 Ram but the right side spring perch is the side of the diff housing. My pinion angle was way off with the shackle at the rear (it was the first way I did it) and I didn't want a shim with some crazy angle to it to corect it. I just decided to go KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) and do it the Jeep way.

Why on earth would you put the leaf spring shackles up front anyway?

I dont know if you ever looked at a Dana 60 from a '90-'93 Ram

Now that's some funny shit right there.:lmao:

Now that's some funny shit right there.:lmao:

Please, like Elwenil knows anything about pre 94 dodge trucks :shaking::flipoff2:

Duane

nice to see another dodge project.it looks ugly but sounds like a cool truck after its linked and done.

I wish I could see a Dodge D60 front axle. That would be all cool and stuff. All I got is this little ol' thang under my Ramcharger:

http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss247/Elwenil/0311091759.jpg

:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

It's sort of in my sig also, lol. :smokin:

It's sort of in my sig also, lol. :smokin:

lol, I didn't look at your sig before. But yeh, that fawkin thing there.

Anyways, leaf springs are all coming off


I don't really care much for the leaf springs anyways so I picked up a couple of SU joints and as soon as my health permits, I'm going to uni-link front and rear

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww27/tow102/pieces015.jpg

In another week my truck gets a nice warm garage.
First thing I'm going to do is build my one link suspention but I'm debating which way to go here.
What do you guys think would be the better set up for a rig thats going to weigh in at close to 4 1/2-5 tons.

My first idea was to build it like bajabomber did his.
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll198/priddy65/IMG_2186.jpg

or
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww27/tow102/bras002.jpg

If you have any other ideas post em up!

or
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww27/tow102/bras002.jpg

If you have any other ideas post em up![/QUOTE]


Am I an idiot or is that one-link mounted on the back of that axle?:confused:
If so, why?

My first idea was to build it like bajabomber did his.


So, you're NEVER going to finish it?


Am I an idiot or is that one-link mounted on the back of that axle?:confused:
If so, why?
OOOOppppsss!!!!

So, your NEVER going to finish it?


:laughing:

When's your Cummins going to be done? :flipoff2:

Am I an idiot or is that one-link mounted on the back of that axle?:confused:
If so, why?

i was gonna say the exact same thing, could be kinda cool i guess:confused:

I like #2 simply because it can be disassembled.
Travis..

Do you have any picture of how you mounted the back of your front leaf springs?

Looking good I can't wait to see more pics

I like the idea of the single link removable from the axle. I guess its how much work you wanna do.

I was planning on building mine like the second pic but with four polly bushings to soak up some shock and vibrations. Plus I can remove everytning and Balistic fab makes some nice rockwell radius mounts to complete the setup.

Still kicking ideas around tho. :smokin:

I wish I could see a Dodge D60 front axle. That would be all cool and stuff. All I got is this little ol' thang under my Ramcharger:

http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss247/Elwenil/0311091759.jpg

:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

It's sort of in my sig also, lol. :smokin:


I am sure this is all in good humor and all but there is a huge difference between an '88 ramcharger frame with a bolt in dana 60 in place of a dana 44 and a '96 ram with that same style dana 60.


I dislike the shackels being at the front of the springs also, and suggested he not do it that way either but understand what his reasoning for it is.


I like the second one link setup also. Its removable, looks stronger, and I find square tubing to look too scrap yard like...

We're gonna be bringing it over to my shop this weekend and get cracking on it hard, so S&S should be updating this almost daily.:smokin:

Sam

Lol, that post with the pic was poking some fun at S&S about his "I dont know if you ever looked at a Dana 60 from a '90-'93 Ram" comment to me. He doesn't know me is fairly new to the forum and obviously didn't realize that I'm pretty familiar with just about anything on a '72-'93 Dodge truck. It was sort of an inside joke for us regulars to the Dodge forum, lol. We do SAS swaps quite a bit in our shop and since all the mounts usually have to be fabbed up anyway, we just put the shackles in the rear. There are a few other BR series Rams with leafs up front that have the shackles in the rear so I know it's possible and just wondered what the reason for that choice was, especially with the bad reputation front shackles have. But yeah, all in good fun. :D

The truck finaly went to Sam's shop yesterday...

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And then we started by cutting some junk out of the way.
Here ya go Elwenil, no more shackles up front!

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And my thin and in some places non existant floor, well, look for youselfs...

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Nice, lol. I'd hold onto those bolt together Duece rims and not scrap them. A lot of the military truck guys would love to have those.

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A little more progress...

Nice build. What are you going to use this truck for? Street only? Trail riding? Mud? Rocks?

Why did you choose a one link? They are simple but very hard to tune. There's not a whole lot of guys running them. It looks like you're keeping it pretty low, which is good, but a one link doesn't perform well in some situations. Keeping the linkls level will help you, but the anti-squat numbers are pretty high. Air bags may help you control it better also.

He is bagging it front and rear, Not sure how much of an issue anti-squat will be, links will be about 4 feet long and not far from flat. At ride height there will be about 26" under the belly, on 50" tires. He is planning on driving it on the street, I think he's nuts though :flipoff2: but it will mostly be used for rocky trails.

The new SU joints...

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I guess this is pretty close to what the ride hight is going to be. Maybe just a few inches taller with the 14.00-20 XLs. I'm trying to keep it as low as I can.
In this pic the front diff is tucked up against the oil pan and the tires(11.00-20 XZL) are about 5" of the floor. The belly's going to be about 28-29" from the ground.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3681/dsc00160q.jpg

I fucking love this! I have a hard on! Keep with the updates!

badass

anyone who has a cummins, rocks and big ass tires all in the same thread is cool in my book. looking forward to seeing how the one-link performs, those joints are pimp :grinpimp:

Are you going to bolt that mounting plate on in addition to the welds?

The plates come predrilled but he's not bolting them on. The plate it is welded to is very hard, either 400 or 500, can't remember. either way drilling is not an option.

I think I'd torch a hole in there then. Considering that is where the rear axle is going to be tied to the frame, I'd want a little insurance.

Hell ya for the Cummins, and I like the Ida of keeping it low. Nice design with the tube work. Great for access and washing the underside.

Nat

I had to put one of the 14.00-20s on just to see what it looked like.
I didn't think of measuring but the frame must be around 32-33" from the floor.

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8582/imgp0169medium.jpg

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Thats about the same height as mine.
I did a rough wheelbase measurement (Hard to do by myself) She is 123 give or take an inch.
The lowest part of the frame sits at 33".
The trany crossmember sits at 30 1/2"
The upper link mounts sit at 29 1/2"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/ffdustyw/IMG_3750.jpg

157" wheelbase.
I moved the rear axle ahead about 12" and the front went ahead by some 14".
At full bump she's sitting at 25 1/2" under the tranny/SU joint x-member and 30 1/2" under the lowest part of the frame and 22" under the axle tubes...

I'm building it with the intention of keeping the ride hight 4" up from full bump but it's on air bags so I can play with that.
So far the front probably has around 12 or 13" of travel.
Any ways, back to work:D

Almost brand new rockwell drums and brake shoes for sale :grinpimp:
I finally made up my mind and going full hydro steering and pinion brakes.
It's still gonna be street legal... until I get pulled over:flipoff2:

A couple more pics...

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The ram that was going to be for hydro assist.
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Now it's going full hydro...
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I gave Sam the XZL's and he's putting em on a diet...
YouTube - Tire Grooving (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CQqoFeccCU)

It's hard to believe that there's some 40' of sch 80 and another 20' of DOM just in this pick...
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q172/darwink1/DSC02352.jpg

Truck is looking sick!.... Man I'm lovin all these Dodge Rockwell truggys!

No more rear leaf springs. I lost another part of the frame.
I wanted to keep this thing street-able but it's getting to look more and more like a trugy all the time:confused:

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Lincoln locker time :grinpimp:

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Maybe it's just me, but I don't see much structural strength in the design.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see much structural strength in the design.

i would agree. its all pivoting of a 2" butt welded tube....

Truck is looking sick!.... Man I'm lovin all these Dodge Rockwell truggys!
Well.... you will be seeing one more here in the very near future!!
By the way, call it a dumb question if you like, but I notice that you have your rear axle attached with 4 bolts to the one link. Is there any particular reason you chose not to weld the one link to the axle like many, or should I say most, one link designs employ??
Thanks and keep the pics coming!!
- Matt

Thats about the same height as mine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/ffdustyw/IMG_3750.jpg

Do want.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see much structural strength in the design.

Isn't all the weight still on whats left of the original frame rail?

all of the weight is on the oem frame rail and behind, and that void area from the oem frame to where the tube all meet is to be plated in. In addition to that the tube fenders will also flow into the cage, than back out to the rear of the truck, esentially it is becoming more of a truggy!

the rear onelink is bolted on because he has future ambitions to find a nother steering axle, this will make it easy to change in and not have to cut and weld the links on, only brackets.

we got some parts in today, will be getting to putting the front grizzley in this week, some rear tube work, and hopfully sitting on all 4's by next week.

Sam

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I made some inserts for the double bead locks out of 1" conveyor belt.

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A little flex shot...
The right front air bag gave out making the truck tilt way to the right then the left side jackstand kicked out and the whole fawken thing came down.

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I was standing where the puddle of gear oil is when the truck came down.

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That is some scary shit. I was so damn scared of dropping my shit on me when I was doing the swap. Be careful and don't get killed.

I was standing where the puddle of gear oil is when the truck came down.


Are you sure that's gear oil steph?

Are you sure that's gear oil steph?

I don't know Rob??? Maybe your Liberaider left a puddle when the Ram came down right next to it... lol.

I think I know but whats your thinking on having the bags so far forward on the links? It looks to me like that contributed to the whole instability problem. It's not the same but a lot of tag axles use a set of bags up forward kind of like that to lift the axle then another set closer to, right over, or even slightly behind the axle to support the vehicle.
If you have those bags you probably already know that, just curious about the bag placement.

I think I know but whats your thinking on having the bags ... just curious about the bag placement.
The reason for having the bags that far up the arms is for the longer travel and to minimize the twisting on the air bag.
10" halfway up the arm turns into 20" down at the axle.

Thats what I thought is there any chance you could mount them further apart without limiting the twist. How are you going to plumb them to get the articulation? It doesn't seem to me like it would flex side to side very well.
We used to use quick release valves to dump the bags in the 1st drive axle on semis it would transfer about 2800# to the steer axle so you pull up to the scale about 3000# heavy on the drives weigh the steer then when you ease out the clutch & move ahead dump that axle and by the time you get the drives on 2800# has transfered to the steer and you look all legal.
Sorry for the small hijack there but maybe some type of dump & valve will help the flex or maybe it will flex great plumbed up all normal but I'm having a hard time makin it work in my head.
I'm not hatin' on it I think it's some rather cool out of the box thinking

Front locker is in and the front axle is all back together now.

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Front air bags have been replaced by Crown Vic coils. I have 4 1/2" of up travel and almost 10" down. I think there going to work pretty good.

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So this is ride height.

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5' 10" under the hood.

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Very very very very interesting front suspension design. And nice shock :flipoff2:

I would at least put a double shear on that shock! It looks like it is going to be your bumpstop based on that being ride height.

I've got a set of steer rocks for my Dodge, I'm looking forward to how it turns out.

There's a timberan (load helper) inside the coil at the bottom and a 2" long bump stop up top that doubles to keep the spring in place.
I know in the pic there dosn't seem to be a lot of shock travel left but the timberan will bottom first.

And besides, it's a tractor trailor shock so it's a 3/4" grade 8 bolt holding that on. No whimpy little 1/2" or 9/16" shit for Heavymetal:flipoff2: lol.

It's finally on all fours, no more jack stands...:grinpimp:

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Nice, lol. I'd hold onto those bolt together Duece rims and not scrap them. A lot of the military truck guys would love to have those.


Damn, wish somehow would have mentioned this to me. I have been using them for fire pits/rings for the last few years. Only two good ones left now. :confused:



Love the build. I also love the Dodge Ram body style. Any reason you didn't run coil overs up front? I am surprised the springs you used hold the weight sufficiently? We should wheel sometime together.

Any reason you didn't run coil overs up front?

The only reason I didn't run coil overs in all four corners is lack of $$$ :(

I would love to go wheel with you guys down there. Unfortunately i was banned from the US for life after I bitch slapped a customs officer almost ten years ago...
I'd really like to be able to go back up to Alaska again as well.
I spent the better part of a summer working in a garage in Tok in the early 90's.

If you ever come up this way for the ORCC in ParrySound (labor day weekend) or something like that I'll trailer my rig down for sure.

The only reason I didn't run coil overs in all four corners is lack of $$$ :(

I would love to go wheel with you guys down there. Unfortunately i was banned from the US for life after I bitch slapped a customs officer almost ten years ago...
I'd really like to be able to go back up to Alaska again as well.
I spent the better part of a summer working in a garage in Tok in the early 90's.

If you ever come up this way for the ORCC in ParrySound (labor day weekend) or something like that I'll trailer my rig down for sure.
Get your ass up here! I have a stocked beer fridge! Fairbanks.....we got some wheeling and some big moose buggies. Hope you like a little mud. I think the airbags is a cool idea. I see some of the mud racing guys running them and it works well. I hope you make a good bed that is usable. I see to many builds where people do some fancy tube work that can't haul shit. Living in the north you have to have room for a Moose, camping gear, lots of beer, your old lady if she pisses you off in the cab, and extra parts and recovery gear for remote trips.

Get your ass up here! I have a stocked beer fridge! Fairbanks.....we got some wheeling and some big moose buggies. Hope you like a little mud. I think the airbags is a cool idea. I see some of the mud racing guys running them and it works well. I hope you make a good bed that is usable. I see to many builds where people do some fancy tube work that can't haul shit. Living in the north you have to have room for a Moose, camping gear, lots of beer, your old lady if she pisses you off in the cab, and extra parts and recovery gear for remote trips.

The back is all truggied now... There's a fuel tank, batteries and just enough room for recovery strap, a few tools and jack-all, the basic trail stuff.
If I go for longer overnight rides I have an M104 to pull behind me.
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2398/militarytraillerpn1.jpg
Someday I'll see if I can get a pardon from uncle Sam so I can go back on US soil...
As for the mud, it doesn't bother me at all. Here in Sudbury it's up over a pile of rocks and into a mud hole,
up over another pile of rocks and down in another mud hole... over and over. lol.

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The back is all truggied now... There's a fuel tank, batteries and just enough room for recovery strap, a few tools and jack-all, the basic trail stuff.
If I go for longer overnight rides I have an M104 to pull behind me.
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2398/militarytraillerpn1.jpg
Someday I'll see if I can get a pardon from uncle Sam so I can go back on US soil...
As for the mud, it doesn't bother me at all. Here in Sudbury it's up over a pile of rocks and into a mud hole,
up over another pile of rocks and down in another mud hole... over and over. lol.

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That trailer looks very familiar. I think I have one in my back yard...
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I made some inserts for the double bead locks out of 1" conveyor belt.

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Stoopid question time. I've been trying to figure out material to make these out of for some Hutchinson 16s I have, this looks perfect.

How'd you trim it to width, and what sort of place might I be able to get some from? I don't think I've seen anything similar at Tractor Supply, so someplace more industrial?

It's 1" thick conveyor belt that he got freebie from a place that makes... you guessed it... conveyor belts. :p All you need to cut it is a good sharp utility knife.

smartass :homer: I guess I'll pull up Superpages and see what I can find for conveyors around here. I turn wrenches, burn steel, and work on computers, I don't know shit about material handling or where I might find parts.

I don't know shit about material handling or where I might find parts.
Around here we have everybody making machinery and equipment for the mines so it's relatively easy finding industrial stuff.
You must have steel plants around where you are or even gravel, asphalt or concrete plants that all use conveyors.

Front tire with only 6 psi
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Rear tire with 0 psi
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and a few updated pics...
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Wow..nice truggy! You may have just made me go buy a cummins :flipoff2:

I like the design of the backhalf. You didn't go crazy with all kinds of bending and kept it simple. Thw straight pipe will offer more strength. Goes with the truck quite well.
The pictures of the XL's with the air pressure is the reason I dropped money on a good set of tires. I just wasn't getting as much performance out of them. I want my tires to conform better. They also road really rough being so hard. My truck has a nice cushy ride now.

Looks like its going to be very capable,I would have raised it stock,put some 40's under there,been done for awhile.

Looks like its going to be very capable,I would have raised it stock,put some 40's under there,been done for awhile.
And that is why you will never have a rockwelled late model... :flipoff2:

But seriously though, what does "raised it stock" mean? :confused:

He probably means a bolt on lift leaving the body, suspension and chassis with the same basic design it rolled off the assembly line. In other words, he would have made it like 99% of the other trucks out there and would still never come close to following where this rig can go, lol.

liking the build man when I let the air out of my xml's they get a 36"long flat spot and squat to under half the side wall tall. they are rougher when flat from the lugs slaping the ground feels like you are running on a wash board. when they have 5 psi in them they roll smooth but do tend to jar alittle on things in the trail,but the side wall will last for ever in the rocks I am used to.I will definitly be on the hunt for some skins like Dusty got just dont want to pony up that much dough right now. I didnt notice what you were doing with the rear diff, locker or weld??

I didnt notice what you were doing with the rear diff, locker or weld??

Grizzly locker in the front and lincoln locker in the rear.

I think I'm probably going to run 4 or 5 psi in the front and 2 psi in the rear tires.

I got a bit more done today. The truck used to be an auto so I made a clutch pedal fit from a YJ and installed the clutch master and slave cylinder from a '91 Ram. It looks like it's all going to work fine.

I also started on the fuel tank (early 90's Dakota) with the stock sending unit from my '96 with the electric fuel pump removed (for my mechanical diesel).

I was also going to put my rad in but it tuns out it got severely FUBAR sitting in the corner of the shop :mad3:

Anyways, tomorrow's another day...

Just another one of those days...

Got the new rad, go to install, can't find half the bolts.

New fuel lines all in, bleed the lines, injectors, no problem.
Crank engine over, sputters, try again and starter craps out.:mad3:

On the up side.
I did get to see a stock 2500 Ram parked next to mine for the first time last night. Sam had an '01 diesel in for a leveling kit and my Ram was 14" taller.
Over half of that difference was tire size so I figure my truck has roughly 6- 6.5" of lift to fit 48" tall tires :D

Well, I got the truck back home so to free up my buddies shop.
Still a lot of shit left to do to get it rolling but it's mostly just little stuff.
Tying loose shit up so it won't rub and wear out.
Most of the fab work is done till I fire it up and test things out a bit which will hopefully be in no more than a week from now...

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My wife started the tedious task of painting the monkey bars.
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I didn't take any pics but the hydraulics is all plumed in.
Now I have to get a new starter, finish building my drive shafts, make my pinion brakes, make a floor for the cab, plum in the turbo to the inter-cooler and into the intake, make a twin stick set up for the t-case and a bit of electrical and it'll be ready to rock...

I like. Muy likey

Looking sick!!!! I like the wheelbase.

Here's what I've been doing instead of working on my truck.:shaking::shaking:
YouTube - '53 M38A1-2.MP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3cGzfu3tXU)

How wide is the track width with that wheel tire combo?

Looks awesome :smokin:

How wide is the track width with that wheel tire combo?
I'm 7' wide from outside to outside.

I didn't like the yellow when the wife came home and started painting it but I like the green and yellow now.

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If I throw a bail of hay and put an orange triangle on the back think the cops are gonna bother me driving down the side of the roads:shaking:




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just put a round bale spike on the back...everyone will back off!
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And if they don't they sure won't ever get in the way again...

1 question on your bead lock inserts. I'm wondering why you didn't lace them on the ends and use maybe some type of hardened bolt run horizontaly through the laces. I only ask because if you decide later to ditch the military tires it seems like those bolts will give you problems when airing down. I know the lacing machine is not cheap but maybe the place you bought the material at would do it for you. Just an idea. I'm not even sure it could be done as the thickest material I've laced together is 3/8 inch, but I've always been under the assumption that if I'm thinking of it it's already been thought of.

The place where I got the conveyor belt to make the bead locks definitely could lace them but it would cost me to much.
The conveyor belt was a free-be so the biggest investment I have in those is my time and a couple of dollars worth of nuts and bolts.
I'd probably have to make new ones for a different set of tires anyway.
I never got a first hand look at 54" Boggers or TTC's but I doubt the tire bead would be as thick as the XL's.
They're at least 1 1/2" thick so 3" of the rim is taken up by tire bead alone.

I did a search and I see what your talking about. I always used the staple type laces which probably wouldn't hold, but they do make stronger rivet types if you decide to redesign your inserts to accomidate a thinner tire at a later date.

I know you started with a ext cab lon bed but did the wheel base get longer?

But it looks good

I know you started with a ext cab lon bed but did the wheel base get longer?

But it looks good
Thanx, and yes, it did get a bit longer.
The rear diff moved ahead 12" and the front went ahead 14"

And today was another one of those days...
One step forward, two steps back.
I got my new starter on and I don't think it cranked the engine a 1/4 turn the engine came to life... and when I stood back and looked at the truck I noticed the hydraulic oil pissing out from the bottom of the reservoir.
I think the whole 6 gallons or so that was in the system all came out. Lucky enough though, I had a 5 gallon pail near by and saved about 4 gallons from going on the ground.
The tank has a big split along the bottom. :mad3:

Well damn. That would be a bit discouraging... But no worries man, it's just the reservoir. At least you didn't crank the engine up and then have it seize or something. Or if you found antifreeze in the oil or something like that. It could be worse, I guess! I mean, you could be me... lol

Anyway, is the axle placement chosen due to crossmembers and radiator location, or did you cut the crossmembers out and redo them, but just wanted to have the axle in that location? I'm not saying I don't like the location, I'm just wondering about it. Thanks

When my truck grows up it wants to be like yours!!!!!!!

It's alive!!!:D
YouTube - full hydro steer.MP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqxRniG4M1k)

hard to get used to the rear steering, looks like it is breaking whenever to turn it.

That's freakin HILARIOUS. I was laughing when you were walking the rear back and forth. I have no idea why I thought that was funny, but it was.

I can't wait to see this thing wheeling

hard to get used to the rear steering, looks like it is breaking whenever to turn it.

He just doesn't have a panhard back there yet. :laughing::p

He just doesn't have a panhard back there yet. :laughing::p
It's a hydraulically adjustable panhard bar:smokin:

oh haha! I'm a ra tard

Now it moves under it's own power.
YouTube - heavymetal first try 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W17tCNg2Wdg)
YouTube - heavymetal first try 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7St2c0ylFMg)
I don't like my rear suspension. It's gonna get reworked a bit.

First Try 3 isn't too bad either. Is there an exhaust on the rig? Was it having a hard time in that ditch or were you trying to idle out of it or something?

The rig looks SICK driving around.

^^^
I just have a 3" straight pipe running to the back of the cab.
My buddy was driving, I don't know what he was doing, just fuckin around I guess. I guess it might of had something to do with climbing the hill on the other side and not having brakes.

I tried it after and just walked right through it like nothing.
Coming back down the hill backwards in mexican overdrive without brakes was fun too!

The 3rd video got cut off because I was using my phone and it rang as Sam was going through...

pup looks like it needs some swaybars in a big bad angry way

Another HeavyMetal build huh...interesting.

beastly dodge

needs some swaybars in a big bad angry way

fucking epic right there. nearly pissed myself laughing so hard! :lmao:

Brock finishing welding in the home made coil overs that Sam and I made yesterday.
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Why one should wear steel toe boots when working on a project named HeavyMetal...
No I wasn't wearing the flip-flops when it happened but my running shoes didn't offer any protection either when one of the 53" long coil overs fell over and landed on my toe.

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them some knarly feet brother....

MONKEY TOES! Lol.

clip those things while u got yur boots off......damn thats how u get ingrown nails:flipoff2:

That's it. I get hurt and all you guys do is make fun of my toes:flipoff2:
Let me tell ya all. I can still kick like a mule with the left. lol.

A bit better pic of the coil-overs.
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That is cool as shit!

None of the vids work anymore.

Your shit rocks! You need to give me a call. We need to do some wheeling. Dusty 907-322-5132

Very nice! I dig the homemade coilovers, that's awesome.

OK, fixed you tube. Vids are all here.

YouTube - heavymetal first try hydro steer rear (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unNMId0n7UY)

YouTube - heavymetal first try hydro steer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLRistPfapk)

YouTube - heavymetal first try 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omuNYXX5Xwk)

YouTube - heavymetal first try 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI8wzGk9XwY)

YouTube - heavymetal first try 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR3y9qcVgrA)

hey Dusty, we definitely have to get together some time.
I don't remember if it was on your thread or Clint's but someone mentioned that all the big Dodges should get together. I think it'd be cool to see a bunch of Rams on Rockwells bashing the countryside somewhere. Hell, we could even have one on mogs if Baja can get his shit together:shaking:

I still don't have brakes on the truck yet. Actually, I haven't done anything on the truck since i crushed my toe. It still hurts like a SOB and I can't wear shoes or boots so I've been screwin around with my Harley instead. I thought the roads were getting worst lately but it turns out my rear shocks seized right up. It was like ridin a hardtail. I may throw a couple of pics of the scoot on here tomorrow...

Here's another one of my projects on the go.

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It was time to put the FLT on a diet.

The rear shocks are getting shortened. I'm not slamming the rear down like I would want to cause the roads are just too damned rough around here but it is gonna ride a couple of inches lower. The beer box (tour pack) is staying off but the saddle bags are going back on and the fairing is gonna get a shorty windshield. I'm also looking for a new seat.

The Mustang behind the FLT is another project. I blowed up the 3.8 V-6 so she's gonna get a 351 cleavland sometime this summer. (Fawk, i just done it! I put another ford in the Dodge hard core forum...)

You going to tie the rear of the cage back in after making room for the coilovers? The back section isn't holding wieght of the rig, but you would not want to pull anything from the hitch like it is.

I think that would be pretty damn awesome and Magazine and video worthy footage. Get that green 6x6 that competed as well.

Wait three years... And I bet you have 4-5 more. I know of a few builds in the works that are 2.5T Dodges. We'll see if they ever get it done though....... :flipoff2:

Wait three years... And I bet you have 4-5 more. I know of a few builds in the works that are 2.5T Dodges. We'll see if they ever get it done though....... :flipoff2:

any updates on this thing? And why does the big Dodge meet up have to be just rockwells... you guys scared of what some "stock" axles could do??? :flipoff2:

By the way Dusty, the green 6x6 is Stan Pruitt. I believe he is still around with that thing.

The trucks been sitting in my brothers back yard for awhile now...
It needs brakes, drive shafts and a bit of wiring to get the guages working. It does move under it's own power but it's gonna have to wait before i can get it trail ready.
My health hasn't been the greatest this past year and I just had another small heart attack again last week... I guess 25 years of smoking and McD's finaly caught up to me :shaking:
After the Docs find the new blockage and fix it (I go for surgery next week) I should be good to work on the truck again and finish it by spring.

Someone was asking me why I made the rear steer the way it does.
As much as I like rock, I live where you have to get across mud as well and I kind of based my truck on one of the most awsome machines I know.
YouTube - tracteur forestier a samoens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-sjqNVwPxY)
Alot of our trail rides are on old skidder trails.

The trucks been sitting in my brothers back yard for awhile now...
It needs brakes, drive shafts and a bit of wiring to get the guages working. It does move under it's own power but it's gonna have to wait before i can get it trail ready.
My health hasn't been the greatest this past year and I just had another small heart attack again last week... I guess 25 years of smoking and McD's finaly caught up to me :shaking:
After the Docs find the new blockage and fix it (I go for surgery next week) I should be good to work on the truck again and finish it by spring.

Sorry to hear about the health problems. Cudos for being optimistic though. If I were in your shoes, finishing a build would probably be one of the last things on my mind. :beer:

Holy crap! That sucks. Hope your feeling better. Get in shape so you can enjoy some wheeling.

^^^Thanx guys...

I just moved it around my brothers yard.
The way it just walked out of the hole it was parked in all winter and over a 5' snow bank... I never touched the throtle, I just let out the clutch and the motor didn't even give a grunt and the wheels never spun once.... I had thoughts of selling it, or actualy more like trading it for the past few weeks but I think that 30 second ride around my brothers house just cured that.

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poser pic...

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How have you been feeling? The doc fix you up? You going to get her finished up for some wheeling?

glad to hear you got the wheeling bug after a 30 ride in the snow! Hopefully that means you're feeling better since you climbed up there to drive...

Ya hope you are felling better. That thing needs wheeled.

Thnx guys, I'm feeling a lot better.:D
My Dr gave me my ok to go back to work but I got laid off the same day so looks like I'll have time to get her all finished up in the next few weeks...

thats good to hear your doing beter, sucks about the job.but health comes first.

sounds about right man. My back got good enough to go back to work and they wouldn't let me....probably an excuse to cut the workforce. BS. Now the misses has me running ragged on her chores before I get to touch the truck...ugh!

Well... The bank came to pick up there Heep.
So I needed a new DD so I sold my baby ('81 FLT) and picked up a pair of cummins powered W250's.

The one in the backround is more a parts truck but the powertrain is all there.

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better update your sig then....

I don't think he can without a red star.

better update your sig then....
Happy???

I don't think he can without a red star.
Just the sig is really limited without the red star...

Hmm, last time I tried I didn't have the option. Maybe they changed something since then. I'll give it a try.

What happens when you let your 14 yo daughter sub as a remote start...

house 1/ car 0

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What happens when you let your 14 yo daughter sub as a remote start...

house 1/ car 0

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ouch... thats got to be worth at least a few months of straight A's afterwards... I love the idea though. My 3 year old is a great pack mule for the small parts at the store

So, either she doubled as a valet as well or it was a stick and she didn't go in neutral before letting off the clutch....Worst part is that it's considered 2 separate insurance claims: 1 house, 1 car = 2 deductibles. Hope the damage is minimal

House= 0 damage
Car = broken headlight (and I had a spare in the garage), bent corner on the hood and some scuffed up paint (and it's not like it wasn't missing any paint before anyways).
The biggest damage was one little girls bruised ego...
1st gear is a little sloppy and she mistook it for neutral so when she let go of the clutch... and being an oil burner, it didn't stall.

sweet rig man, love the new DD as well

I was going to bring Heavymetal home tonight but I got denied:mad3:
I didn't have a camera with me so I didn't get any pics unfortunately.
But here's what happened.

I borrowed a friends tandem axle trailer that he uses to haul his skidsteer, mini excavator, etc... I'll get a pic of the trailer tomorow.
Anyways, I underestimated how much Heavymetal really weighs because for one, the trailler was a bit to short so I wouldn't have got the ramps up but as the front wheels of Heavymetal got to the front of the trailer the front tires of my cummins powered W250 left the ground:eek:
I can't wait to get tha fawker on a scale now...

sweet rig man, love the new DD as well
Thnx man, but I'm thinking the tow rig might be a little to lightweight for the rig now.

I thought that when hauling rigs, you wanted to load them up backwards for better weight distribution ie-motor directly over trailor axles?

I never got a pic of the trailer because it was -17 C (0 F) this morning and I couldn't be bothered to get the camera out but the trailer was very similar to Dustys...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/ffdustyw/DSCN0073.jpg

But anyways, my truck being as long as it is was too far forward and the back wheels were still over the ramps.
Backwards would have lifted the arse end of the W250 off the ground instead :laughing:

Well duh! It is called "Heavy Metal Dodge". :D




Seriously though, good luck with this. One way or another you are going to have to figure this out. If you can't haul it, it's going to be a bit of a pain in the ass. How do you think the weight will effect it's trail performance?

Well duh! It is called "Heavy Metal Dodge". :D
How do you think the weight will effect it's trail performance?

Good news is you should be able hook up in the front pretty well, bad news is if/when you roll it will be like watching a 70 yr old obese woman trying to get up... "Help, I've fallen and can't get up!" :flipoff2:

I thought that when hauling rigs, you wanted to load them up backwards for better weight distribution ie-motor directly over trailor axles?

tow much?

you NEED tongue weight to be stable. 10-15% on a tagalong, 25%ish on a goose/5th.

most trucks when backed on a trailer give very close to 0 tongue weight because the front is SO much heavier than the back. it's better to be tongue heavy than tongue light. light tongue > trailEr sway > killing busses of orphans and nuns.

it's better to be tongue heavy than tongue light. light tongue > trailEr sway I've never had complaints about the weight of my tongue....

killing busses of orphans and nuns. Holy chit, funny funny...

it's better to be tongue heavy than tongue light. light tongue > trailEr sway > killing busses of orphans and nuns.

If you had said killing welfare babies or freeloaders I might have started to load my trailer differently :smokin:

Yeah, nothing wrong with killing orpahns and nuns. No one wants them anyway. :flipoff2:

hahaha I hauled a truck backwards on my 18' flatbed trailer... About flipped the tow rig never a good idea to put it on like that. Had to do 50 mph to make it home.

I normally load mine about 4-5" further forward but there is alot of room infront of the truck when I have centered for a good ride. Balencing the weight with a little more on the tounge is important for good fuel mileage as well as ride. I usually get it close and then adjust the weight to some marks I have on the trailer with the tie downs.
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hahaha I hauled a truck backwards on my 18' flatbed trailer... About flipped the tow rig never a good idea to put it on like that. Had to do 50 mph to make it home.

I hauled my Dakota backwards on a trailer once. For about 2 miles. Then I stepped on the brakes and chased the trailer from one shoulder to the other, and promptly did LOTS of work to make it so I could turn it around...

It's a lesson that, once learned, is NEVER forgotten.

Who cares about the buses full of nuns and orphans?

It the buses full of college football cheerleaders I would be worried about...:laughing:

x2

I picked up some 9.00-16 XLs for the W-250
This is what they look like next to my old 265-75-16
Tomorrow I get to find out how much fender trimming I'm going to have to do!!!

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tow much?

you NEED tongue weight to be stable. 10-15% on a tagalong, 25%ish on a goose/5th.

most trucks when backed on a trailer give very close to 0 tongue weight because the front is SO much heavier than the back. it's better to be tongue heavy than tongue light. light tongue > trailEr sway > killing busses of orphans and nuns.

Actually, no. When I tow, its usually hay racks. Makes sense though, so thanks for explaining it to me.

Never mind how much lift...
The front is sitting on the bump stops. But it wont take as much fender trimming as I first thought.

I'm gonna make a Heavymetal hauler out of this yet!

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Heavymetal is with a new owner now.
No more trailer queen for me, and I got a nice deck boat out of the deal :D
End of thread now, I'm going fishing...

I normally load mine about 4-5" further forward but there is alot of room infront of the truck when I have centered for a good ride. Balencing the weight with a little more on the tounge is important for good fuel mileage as well as ride. I usually get it close and then adjust the weight to some marks I have on the trailer with the tie downs.
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I only say this to you, because I'm a friend..... But DAMN Dusty!!!! It looks like a Great Dane humping a Chihuahua!! :flipoff2:
Absolutely hilarious!!! I have a Moab video of a group of 3 guys trying to push Cheston's Scout off of a wall he was trying to climp, until he got hung up on his skid plate. Just the way they are all "Pushing" in unison and seeing the Scout's hood bouncing up and down with them.... It was totally hilarious!!!

- Matt

sorry to hear about HeavyMetal....glad to hear you got something out of it that you'll use more. Unfortunately you're going to find out that it's actually harder to take the boat out than to go wheelin'.

harder to take the boat out than to go wheelin'.

my front yard
http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/984/frontyardn.jpg

a 350 lbs 15' with a 85 merc on the back.
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/203/panther1yz.jpg

touche....

And I still have the '91 W250 on 36"s.
But I can drive it down the road to the trails and use it to tow.