: towing a rig with class a???
85yotacrawler575 01-26-2010, 07:28 PM Hey guys
Anybody out there towing there rig with a v-10 powered motor home?
if so. how does it do holding the speed limit(65-70)
Do hills really kill it?
im taking a 4500-5000 pound rig on a tandom axle car hauler, so like 6500 total.
Tool Pimp 01-26-2010, 08:08 PM I don't have a V10 just the big Chevy but mine pulls just fine. I pull at 60-65 not usually faster and have plenty of power left. :smokin:
32' Bounder, 16' Carson and the Toy
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc245/tonytoolpimp/FITD%2008/P1010030.jpg
#rawkon 01-26-2010, 10:24 PM My father in laws has the ford V10 Cant hang with a 8.1 (IIRC) overloaded u haul pulling a car traielr with a full size chevy truck on it.And h the thing is always giving him fits.
85yotacrawler575 01-27-2010, 08:39 PM i kinda thought the v-10's would be guttless. i pull double's (5ther and car hauler) with my dodge. it pulls awsome but a pain to pull in and out of places and hook up by yourself.
Hottrod81 01-27-2010, 09:08 PM The V10's are not gutless, they just like to rev. I have a 31.5' class C that I pull my toy with on a 16' trailer. I can cruise at 65 mph with no problem whatsoever. It pulls hills great even with the load.
nbjeeptj 01-28-2010, 03:57 PM I have the v10 in a 36' A it has more power pulling thru the mountains than two of my buddies that have disel pushers one 300hp and the other 330hp but I cant hear my phone as I am pulling away from them. the V 10 is louuuuuuuuuud.
broncdawg 01-28-2010, 04:04 PM My 28' MH with a V10 works pulls great, but......check the frame on your rig to make sure it is'nt just a scabbed on frame extension done by the RV company, versus factory frame. Will be very obvious. RV companies by chassis from manufacturers in standard lengths and then scab on frames to work in their different length models
85yotacrawler575 01-28-2010, 05:09 PM keep them coming. you guys are starting to convince me.
dragr1 01-28-2010, 05:30 PM Be prepared to lose a lot of speed on long or big hills when towing. I've gotten down to 35 or 40mph a couple of times, but my rig is a '91 454 TBI with Thorley headers, 31' Class A.
montecarlo31 01-29-2010, 04:05 PM Be prepared to lose a lot of speed on long or big hills when towing. I've gotten down to 35 or 40mph a couple of times, but my rig is a '91 454 TBI with Thorley headers, 31' Class A.
haha old school, my grandfather used to rock a old 454 bb class A motorhome, it was hot and slow. 40 mph isn't bad when you think about how fast 40 mph on some long grades was back in 91 when they built it.
I can say his change to diesel and pusher was welcome.
Hottrod81 01-29-2010, 07:39 PM Be prepared to lose a lot of speed on long or big hills when towing. I've gotten down to 35 or 40mph a couple of times, but my rig is a '91 454 TBI with Thorley headers, 31' Class A.
there is a big difference between the 454 and the V10.
dragr1 01-29-2010, 07:45 PM there is a big difference between the 454 and the V10.
Without a doubt, wish I could do it over again. Bought what I could reasonably justify spending. Gets the job done as long as I stay out of the mountains.
There is also a difference in V10's, from the 290 hp to 310hp to 362 hp.
85yotacrawler575 01-30-2010, 08:05 PM what years of the v-10 are best?
What about the banks power pack? worth it, needed for pulling?
Hottrod81 01-30-2010, 08:13 PM what years of the v-10 are best?
What about the banks power pack? worth it, needed for pulling?
I don't think it's worth it. I had one on a 96 motorhome, the power difference was noticable. I now have a 2007 and just put a 4" exhaust catback from the muffler back and it made a huge difference.
dragr1 01-30-2010, 08:50 PM For the V10 some early models had spark plug problems-around '99 or so. I believe the 362 hp ones started around '05, not sure when the five speed trans. started, but it's way better than the 4spd. Do some research over on rv.net for better answers than mine. If I could justify it, I would have an '05 or newer Winnie with the V10 in about a 34' Class A.
PDR John 01-31-2010, 09:02 AM Always check the towing capacity of class a motor homes, especially gassers. Most don't go over 5000#.
Look for the tag beside the drivers seat or on the back of a kitchen cabinet door, some even are in the closet.
montecarlo31 01-31-2010, 10:17 AM One piece of advise I will give after knowing many V-10 ford owners is to let the camper idle down (cool down) before turning them off. They are known for popping the exhaust manifold bolts when you cut them off and they cool down too quickly. Other then that the V-10 is a animal that should go 200K easy.
85yotacrawler575 01-31-2010, 10:21 AM well. the weight is a concern. i figure the biggest problem is tongue weight. the link is my current set up(new truck now) but every thing else is the same. it pulls like a dream, but doubles of that size are hard to get in and out of fuel stations. i would still use my hitch hog on the motorhome.
YouTube - The Hitch Hog Used to Double Tow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7987fFomOg)
YouTube - The Hitch Hog Turning Corners (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6K_R3oZANI)
If your thinking how the hitch works.... its really is a work of art.
i run a viair unit and a in cab dump valve. i simple dump the air from the hitch bag when im coming to a tight turn, and the tires on the hitch pick up off the ground. hit the switch again and the bag fills to my preset psi. supporting the tongue weight.
dragr1 01-31-2010, 04:25 PM well. the weight is a concern. i figure the biggest problem is tongue weight. the link is my current set up(new truck now) but every thing else is the same. it pulls like a dream, but doubles of that size are hard to get in and out of fuel stations. i would still use my hitch hog on the motorhome.
YouTube - The Hitch Hog Used to Double Tow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7987fFomOg)
YouTube - The Hitch Hog Turning Corners (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6K_R3oZANI)
If your thinking how the hitch works.... its really is a work of art.
i run a viair unit and a in cab dump valve. i simple dump the air from the hitch bag when im coming to a tight turn, and the tires on the hitch pick up off the ground. hit the switch again and the bag fills to my preset psi. supporting the tongue weight.
That is really cool. I tried the website but it isn't working. What does something like that cost?
montecarlo31 01-31-2010, 04:34 PM I wonder what the maximum rated safe speed is?
Here's another unit like that. http://mrtrailer.com/stinger.htm
dragr1 01-31-2010, 04:39 PM I wonder what the maximum rated safe speed is?
Here's another unit like that. http://mrtrailer.com/stinger.htm
That one has a disclaimer not for motorhomes.
Hottrod81 01-31-2010, 06:02 PM I am going to contact them to see why you can't use the stinger on a motorhome.
jebdrup 01-31-2010, 06:42 PM I am looking at buying a motorhome but instead of a Class A, I am looking at bus conversions. I have found quiet a few for good prices.
Lets see some pics of these RV setups.
PDR John 01-31-2010, 07:03 PM Here is our set up outside Biloxi Ms.. Still rebuilding the Cj5, though.
85yotacrawler575 01-31-2010, 08:00 PM Thanks!
there not really for sale. the inventer of the hitch (carey Kuhn) is looking for investers. my hitch is a prototype and the first to be used in a double set up. it is dot legal.
I should say that my fifth wheel has a full subframe that the rear hitch is tied into. it runs the lenth of the camper and ties into the up rights. the upright have been gusseted, and the fifth wheel hitch has been converted to gooseneck with a support gusset to the pin box as well. the hauler is 6600 pounds and the camper is 8900 pounds. i run 70-75 mph all the time.
Carey is a really nice guy. he came from canon city, co. to deliver and help install the hitch, and im in las cruces, nm.
the not for use on motorhomes idea is that the over hang of the coach is to long and it would bottom the hitch and pick the rear tires of the coach off the ground on high angle drop offs. the hitch hog has way more travel.
Jeep07 01-31-2010, 08:07 PM I am going to contact them to see why you can't use the stinger on a motorhome.
Most likely departure angle. The rear of an RV is designed to clear most entrances/exits in parking lots/garages etc. With this on there you will essentially float the drive axle on these inclines/declines and put all the weight on the rear of the frame which will probably cause damage. I've seen many companies that make Weight Distribution hitches say they are not for use with RV's as well.
I pull my buggy with a 29' 96 Class C with a 460. The engine pulls fine however the transmissions are nearing the limit. I recommend adding a large cooler to keep the trans cool. I also run airbags in the rear so I can adjust the ride.
wagman 01-31-2010, 08:24 PM I dont have any motor home experience but have had several v10 pickups & excursions the 05 and newer 3 valve engines have more power but the best mod I ever did on any year was replacing the very restricted factory Y pipe with a true 2.5" Y look at a factory Y where the 2 legs join you wont believe your eyes also add a free flow muffler of some sort.
I normally pull my 53' gooseneck car trailer with an 04 ford 6.0 PS but used my dad's 05 v10 once & the v10 with auto was far quicker from 0-45 but the 6.0 with 6 spd was way better at keeping it up to speed especially on the hills. I would say on a real hard pull there probably would not be alot of speed difference at the top but the diesel would hold more speed longer and on the smaller hills will pull them in 6th where the v10 with the auto will smell them coming and drop a gear at the first hint of resistance which really annoys me. I typically cruise 75+ always.
I once got 3-4 MPG with that v10 towing a heavy load into a strong quarter wind and once got about 6.5 MPGwith the 6.0 in a simular situation.
Dont know whats right for you but these are my observations.
cali-crwlr 02-02-2010, 08:29 PM has anybody had any luck with a 2000 Rv class C 5.7 chevy motor (chateu) 24ft sorry not no hijack just interested in one im looking at to buy.
also have a shot of getting a 95 class C 24 ft ford with a 460 engine?
just trying to see the difference between a class A and a class C i've rented a (98 or 99 dont remember) 29ft V10 and it had enough cahunas
thanks
PDR John 02-02-2010, 10:37 PM has anybody had any luck with a 2000 Rv class C 5.7 chevy motor (chateu) 24ft sorry not no hijack just interested in one im looking at to buy.
also have a shot of getting a 95 class C 24 ft ford with a 460 engine?
just trying to see the difference between a class A and a class C i've rented a (98 or 99 dont remember) 29ft V10 and it had enough cahunas
thanks
Again, check the tow rating. Your first 2 most likely have 3500# rating. Just because of the frame.
Crawl under and look for yourself, check for frame extensions.
Hottrod81 02-04-2010, 07:29 PM has anybody had any luck with a 2000 Rv class C 5.7 chevy motor (chateu) 24ft sorry not no hijack just interested in one im looking at to buy.
also have a shot of getting a 95 class C 24 ft ford with a 460 engine?
just trying to see the difference between a class A and a class C i've rented a (98 or 99 dont remember) 29ft V10 and it had enough cahunas
thanks
Get the Class C with the 460 hands down. I had one and it worked great.
cali-crwlr 02-04-2010, 09:17 PM hey thanks alot Hottrod81 and PDR John
im seriously looking for a class C
hey Hottrod81 what did u like about the 460 ? more details on the class C you owned year lenght and tow capacity thanks
ps is 460=to 6.7 L ? idk and whats the difference between 460 and the V10 thanks
Hottrod81 02-05-2010, 04:44 PM I had a 1996 Class C Jamboree with a 460. It ran great, and the biggest plus, is that it didn't get hot. It was a 24 footer. I towed a my 4Runner on a 16' foot trailer and I was pleased with it. If I would have kept it any longer, I would have beefed up the frame extensions a bit just to be safe.
The 460 is a 7.5L. The difference between the 460 and V10 will be noticable as I have had both. My V10 has much more power. The torque for the 460 is lower than that of the V10. The V10 likes to rev.
cali-crwlr 02-05-2010, 07:58 PM [QUOTE=Hottrod81;10987705]I had a 1996 Class C Jamboree with a 460. It ran great, and the biggest plus, is that it didn't get hot. It was a 24 footer. I towed a my 4Runner on a 16' foot trailer and I was pleased with it. If I would have kept it any longer, I would have beefed up the frame extensions a bit just to be safe.
The 460 is a 7.5L. The difference between the 460 and V10 will be noticeable as I have had both. My V10 has much more power. The torque for the 460 is lower than that of the V10. The V10 likes to rev.[/QUOTE
So out of the 2 you've liked the V10 more than the 460 so far?
I'm looking @ a 95 with a 460 and 78,000 mi. For 11K. I don't know if to gor for it or
Go for a V10 instead.
Thanks
Hottrod81 02-05-2010, 08:09 PM I like the V10 better but I wouldn't shy away from the 460. I have a truck right not with a 460 that I use to haul shit around the house and it runs great also. Unless you could get a V10 that came with a torqueshift, the 460 will work just fine.
2BNDRT 02-05-2010, 08:28 PM hey thanks alot Hottrod81 and PDR John
im seriously looking for a class C
Buy mine. it's for sale (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=855042)
2005 31' Class C, '04 chassis V10.
Pulls just fine @ 65-70 all day.
cali-crwlr 02-05-2010, 10:19 PM Buy mine. it's for sale (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=855042)
2005 31' Class C, '04 chassis V10.
Pulls just fine @ 65-70 all day.
Thanks 2BNDRT but that's way over my budget.
cali-crwlr 02-05-2010, 10:24 PM I like the V10 better but I wouldn't shy away from the 460. I have a truck right not with a 460 that I use to haul shit around the house and it runs great also. Unless you could get a V10 that came with a torqueshift, the 460 will work just fine.
Thanks a ton bro really appreciate the help, if there's anything else to know please
Let me know about these RV.
PDR John 02-06-2010, 08:58 AM In the class C I think the Fords had the edge. We looked at a ton of Cs.
I don't know what you're using as a price guide but here a NADA link.
http://www.nadaguides.com/SectionHome.aspx?LI=1-25-38-5698-502-579-50251&l=1&w=25&p=0&f=5602
Good luck and have fun. There are some killer deals out there.
We were patient and picked ours up for $62,000.
cali-crwlr 02-07-2010, 08:27 AM In the class C I think the Fords had the edge. We looked at a ton of Cs.
I don't know what you're using as a price guide but here a NADA link.
http://www.nadaguides.com/SectionHome.aspx?LI=1-25-38-5698-502-579-50251&l=1&w=25&p=0&f=5602
Good luck and have fun. There are some killer deals out there.
We were patient and picked ours up for $62,000.
thanx man
anybody can tell me if a class C with a chevy 454 motor is any good vs the ford 460?
dragr1 02-07-2010, 10:17 AM thanx man
anybody can tell me if a class C with a chevy 454 motor is any good vs the ford 460?
454 would be fine also, but the Ford is a far more common setup, especially in the Class C. I have a 454 Class A and it gets the job done.
cali-crwlr 02-09-2010, 08:52 PM thanx dragr1 really appreciate it.
looks like i'm going for the 1995 class C 24ft with the 460 wish me luck boys :D :smokin:
jebdrup 02-12-2010, 08:07 AM Let us know how it works out.
cali-crwlr 02-15-2010, 12:01 PM Let us know how it works out.
Well I got it and got it for 8K and drove it with my jeep on a trailer.
Tell you what it towed like a champ very pleased with it. & my jeep
Weighs appx. 4,500+ and appx 1,000+ for the trailer.
Hottrod81 02-15-2010, 12:22 PM Well I got it and got it for 8K and drove it with my jeep on a trailer.
Tell you what it towed like a champ very pleased with it. & my jeep
Weighs appx. 4,500+ and appx 1,000+ for the trailer.
Good deal.:smokin:
cali-crwlr 02-15-2010, 02:21 PM Good deal.:smokin:
Thanx bro. & thnax to everyone for all the advises.
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