I was gonna email Rich with these questions but I thought some other people might want to hear the answers too. This is directed to Big Rich but anyone with definative answers will do.

I'm gonna run an '85 Toyota truck in the Modified Stock class and I want some clarification of the rules so I can do everything possible and not screw myself. Right now it is bone stock, carb'ed 4cyl, straight axles. I read the rules on the CalRocs site and these are the things I'm not sure about:

1. Can I add fuel injection and a fuel cell?
2. How much can I trim the fenders/bob the bed?
3. Can I lose the tailgate?
4. Can I remove all the glass?
5. Can I change the axles? (d44 front/d60 rear)
6. Can I do crossover steering?
7. Can I run a doubler and a driveline disconnect?
8. Can the winch be on a receiver mount?
9. Can I get rid of the wipers, heater, dash, and everything else electrical except the lights and motor?

1.dunno
2.dunno
3.i would think so since most of the jeeps dont have em
4.dont think so
5.yes but you have to be a certain width, outside tire to outside tire so you will have to cut them down
6.cross over,highsteer is seen on most jeeps so i dont see why not
7.dunno
8.dunno
9.once again,some jeep guys strip the heater and some other stuff, they still have the dash though

i would definitly wait for rich to chime in before doing anything drastic ;)

I'll answer all of these this afternoon, I've got to leave for the niners game:D

Rich

Originally posted by CRAWLR

1. Can I add fuel injection and a fuel cell?
2. How much can I trim the fenders/bob the bed?
3. Can I lose the tailgate?
4. Can I remove all the glass?
5. Can I change the axles? (d44 front/d60 rear)
6. Can I do crossover steering?
7. Can I run a doubler and a driveline disconnect?
8. Can the winch be on a receiver mount?
9. Can I get rid of the wipers, heater, dash, and everything else electrical except the lights and motor?

These are NOT offical answers, but I will try. ;)

1. Yes
2. Yes, within reason.
3. Yes
4. Yes. You MAY need the windsheild for tech, though. Rich may need to clarify this one.
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. Yes.
9. Keep the wipers.

:rolleyes: Uh dude :flipoff2: your no help !!! :laughing:

Originally posted by Brad
1.dunno
2.dunno
3.i would think so since most of the jeeps dont have em
4.dont think so
5.yes but you have to be a certain width, outside tire to outside tire so you will have to cut them down
6.cross over,highsteer is seen on most jeeps so i dont see why not
7.dunno
8.dunno
9.once again,some jeep guys strip the heater and some other stuff, they still have the dash though

i would definitly wait for rich to chime in before doing anything drastic ;)

Thanks Brad! :flipoff2:

Thanks Lance. Thats what I'm lookin for. What does "within reason" mean? I want to know exactly how much I can do to the body and still be modified stock

Originally posted by CRAWLR

What does "within reason" mean? I want to know exactly how much I can do to the body and still be modified stock

Here is what the rules state (taken from Calrocs website):


Body
Full recognizable bodies i.e. Jeep, Toyota, Ford, Chevrolet, I.H. etc., are required. Some trimming of body allowed by %, such as fenders and corner panels, but not to included (rear) inner fender wells and no tubbing of fender wells. All flooring and firewalls must be fully intact. Only doors are allowed to be removed for competition, all other body parts must be present. All normally DOT required turn signals, head lamps and tail lamps must be operational.

It does not state what the % is. That's why I say within reason, and you shouldn't have any problems. They don't want ultra-hacked fenders, they want it to still resemble toyota fenders. I think you'd be safe trimming a few inches, no problem. I'm sure if I am off base, Rich will correct me. ;)

I think the rules are getting a bit more lax than they seem in print. At donner there was an '85 extended cab that was running bed skins and no tailgate. The original bed was gone, replaced with tubes.. but had the appearance of stock. It was even slightly bobbed. It ran the competition with all glass removed, including the sun roof. He was running dual cases and e lockers f/r. The stock rules mainly apply to appearance, tire size, wheel base and track. You should be able to run fuel injection (it was available in '85) and a driveline disco is no different than twin sticking a jeep case (they all do). Your axle swap may get tricky. If he allows it, they will have to be cut down to toy width.

Originally posted by Wilson
I think the rules are getting a bit more lax than they seem in print. At donner there was an '85 extended cab that was running bed skins and no tailgate. The original bed was gone, replaced with tubes.. but had the appearance of stock. It was even slightly bobbed. It ran the competition with all glass removed, including the sun roof. He was running dual cases and e lockers f/r. The stock rules mainly apply to appearance, tire size, wheel base and track. You should be able to run fuel injection (it was available in '85) and a driveline disco is no different than twin sticking a jeep case (they all do). Your axle swap may get tricky. If he allows it, they will have to be cut down to toy width.

:rolleyes:

Tailgates are not required. Bobbed beds are not against the rules. removing your sun roof isn't against the rules. dual cases and lockers are not against the rules. fuel injection/motor swaps are perfectly legal. You can run a 502 Ram Jet, if you wanted to. :p Driveline disconnects/twin sticks are perfectly legal. Axle swaps are legal, as long as your overall width is 80" or less. You could run MOG axles in the stock class if you wanted to.... Read the RULES (http://www.calrocs.com/rules.html).

Ok the niners won, so I'm ready to answer the questions........

1. Yes

2a. Just enough for tire clearance....NO MORE
2b. Bob, yes....as long as you retain the orginal corners, lights,
etc., and can mount the tail gate (as we require of
windshields, and doors).
3. Yes, (see above)
4. Yes....please do, we don't want to be cleaning it up.
5. Yes, but they can be no wider than 80 inches, outside of tire
to outside of tire.
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. Yes
9. Yes

The rules will/or may have some modifications before the end of November. Though most of the changes have to do with safety requirements.

Rich

Originally posted by Lance


:rolleyes:

Tailgates are not required. Bobbed beds are not against the rules. removing your sun roof isn't against the rules. dual cases and lockers are not against the rules. fuel injection/motor swaps are perfectly legal. You can run a 502 Ram Jet, if you wanted to. :p Driveline disconnects/twin sticks are perfectly legal. Axle swaps are legal, as long as your overall width is 80" or less. You could run MOG axles in the stock class if you wanted to.... Read the RULES (http://www.calrocs.com/rules.html).

The only thing that I mentioned that I thought may have been a stretch was the bed skins. During tech it would have been obcious that it was a tube bed with sides thrown on to make it look stock. Sooooo, if axle swaps are legal, why can't a SAS toy qualify for stock class, as long as it is under 80" outside to outside, has stock wheelbase and has full sheetmetal? It would be just as "stock", if not more than many of the jeeps or sami's that run in that class

Originally posted by Wilson


The only thing that I mentioned that I thought may have been a stretch was the bed skins. During tech it would have been obcious that it was a tube bed with sides thrown on to make it look stock. Sooooo, if axle swaps are legal, why can't a SAS toy qualify for stock class, as long as it is under 80" outside to outside, has stock wheelbase and has full sheetmetal? It would be just as "stock", if not more than many of the jeeps or sami's that run in that class
Axles
All Axles of a OEM design. No overall axle width, including tires and wheels may exceed 80"(outside of tire to outside of tire). Wheel base of the vehicle must be within 2.5" of OEM. (no gray area allowed)

Suspensions
Stock configuration suspension designs required (leaf from factory, leaf for competition, IFS from factory, IFS for competition, coil/leaf comb from factory, coil leaf for competition, etc.). No coil over shocks suspensions allowed. No double shackle systems allowed. Shackle reversal approved. (no limitation on suspension attachment point measurements, but overall wheelbase MUST remain within 2.5 inches of stock…no gray area)

I have read the rules, would someone really have to import a toy from AUS to run it in the stock class, they ahd solid axles from the factory and still do, I believe.

Whaht I'm asking about is pretty much the reason for considering a sportsmans class for next years season.

We are considering a sportsmans class for next season.

The reason we say stock configuration is that it would open up a bigger can of worms for modifications, such as Black diamond kits, etc. it would become very hard to control. We thought hard on this, also if someone builds for the class, there are plenty of options, and at Neuroc, a newer toy 4 runner did quite well, until breakage and no spares took him out.

Rich

Rich,

Would flat fenders like these on a TJ be okay?

Yes, we will be adding a measurement on how much fender you need. spec's will be released before the end of Nov.
Rich

Originally posted by Lance


Here is what the rules state (taken from Calrocs website):


Body
Full recognizable bodies i.e. Jeep, Toyota, Ford, Chevrolet, I.H. etc., are required. Some trimming of body allowed by %, such as fenders and corner panels, but not to included (rear) inner fender wells and no tubbing of fender wells. All flooring and firewalls must be fully intact. Only doors are allowed to be removed for competition, all other body parts must be present. All normally DOT required turn signals, head lamps and tail lamps must be operational.



Are rock crawler style hood/fender legal?

At this point yes (see above), but it would reguire an inner fender.
For modified stock.
Rich

I'm thinking about entering a Early Bronco.

Can the body be narrowed by moving the outer fenders in on both sides, if the the wheel wells aren't moved in?

And in the EB,
My high pinion D60's front and rear are legal, as long as the tires are not more then 80" wide?

shackle reversal allowed, but no ifs toy SAS:( :(

Originally posted by Booger Weldz
shackle reversal allowed, but no ifs toy SAS:( :(


Guess that means no SAS rangers either :(


I have a question about the wheelbase, I have an ext cab which obviously means my wheelbase is slightly longer than the same truck in a reg cab.. so could I bob the bed and also shorten my wheelbase more than 2.5" as long as its still withint 2.5" of a reg cab model of the same truck?

Originally posted by Booger Weldz
shackle reversal allowed, but no ifs toy SAS:( :(

That's correct.

[Quote]Guess that means no SAS rangers either
I have a question about the wheelbase, I have an ext cab which obviously means my wheelbase is slightly longer than the same truck in a reg cab.. so could I bob the bed and also shorten my wheelbase more than 2.5" as long as its still withint 2.5" of a reg cab model of the same truck?[Quote]

Correct

[Quote]I'm thinking about entering a Early Bronco.
Can the body be narrowed by moving the outer fenders in on both sides, if the the wheel wells aren't moved in?[Quote]

sorry no narrowed vehicles, no dovetailing triming for tire clearance and must retain orginal look.

Rich

So Rich, you are saying that you can run a reg cab wheelbase with an ext. cab truck?

Ryan

It needs to be within the the orginal wheel base lenght, for the vehicle year and model.

Rich

Ok, thats sounds right to me.

Ryan