Does anyone have pics of their (or any) scout with full width axles and tires appx 35-37"x12.5 ?????

I've been talkin' about narrowing axles, but I don't know....maybe I'd like full width.

Maybe I shoudl run full width and then if I don't like it, narrow 'em afterwards..

Fullwidth 8-lug D44 front D60 rear. 36x12.50/15 TSL's on 15x8's with 4" of backspacing. About 82" wide overall. Roughly 10" or 11" wider overall than Scout II axles.

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http://home.earthlink.net/~smrnof100/image/funnyrocks2.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~smrnof100/flop/crack5.jpg

[ 10-26-2001: Message edited by: BenW ]

[ 10-26-2001: Message edited by: BenW ]

Cliffy, the full width swap I just finished is the best thing I did. The thing is MUCH more stable and just feels better on the road and trail. AND, to top it off, it looks better, IMO.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/chicoscout.jpg

Chevy 1/2T front, F150 rotors. Travelall '44 rear.

35x12.50s

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/racing/8_25_2001/15.jpg
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/racing/8_25_2001/on35s00.jpg
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/racing/8_25_2001/on35s01.jpg

SOA and about 3700lbs

You guys got me thinking, how much wider is the IH truck front ends, seeing as how I have one. Maybe I swap in a rear dana 60 and leave the truck front un-touched. If the truck front end is odd I won't use it.

Joe

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>You guys got me thinking, how much wider is the IH truck front ends, seeing as how I have one. Maybe I swap in a rear dana 60 and leave the truck front un-touched. If the truck front end is odd I won't use it.

Joe</STRONG>

Within an inch of the width of my front end.. they're all give or take the same.

Here is a picture of a Scout II w/ Dodge Full-width D60s front and rear. 35x16.50 tires....it now has 37x13s but I don't have a decent picture http://www.dandcextreme.com/dan.jpg

[ 10-26-2001: Message edited by: Snoopy ]

Here are some more....
http://kronos3.konnections.com/ih/rmb/trailpics/longwater00/13.jpg
http://kronos3.konnections.com/ih/rmb/trailpics/longwater00/37.jpg
http://kronos3.konnections.com/ih/rmb/trailpics/longwater00/1.jpg
http://www.dandcextreme.com/club/image/trucks/2a.jpg http://www.dandcextreme.com/club/image/trucks/2b.jpg

[ 10-26-2001: Message edited by: Snoopy ]

Originally posted by Snoopy:
<STRONG>Here is a picture of a Scout II w/ Dodge Full-width D60s front and rear. 35x16.50 tires....it now has 37x13s but I don't have a decent picture http://www.dandcextreme.com/dan.jpg

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What type of mods where made to achieve that kind of flex???... that's commendable.
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Originally posted by Curtis Medrano-Machlan:
<STRONG>Cliffy, the full width swap I just finished is the best thing I did. The thing is MUCH more stable </STRONG>


And you needed it... <IMG SRC="smilies/jeep1.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">

are the earlier scout wider than scoutII's ???? I thought it was the other way around???

Originally posted by Scout Dude:
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And you needed it... <IMG SRC="smilies/jeep1.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

heheh. That's how I talked my wife into it <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Cliffhanger:
<STRONG>are the earlier scout wider than scoutII's ???? I thought it was the other way around???</STRONG>

The frames on the earlier Scouts are wider than a Scout II's frame <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> My full width front 44 was a direct bolt in if I wanted. However, I swaped all my springs at the same time with the 58" rear Chevy springs (just 6 of the leafs in each pack). AND, I scored a whopping 910 on a 30 degree ramp with the FRONT tires. In fact, I can drive it up and over a 4' loading ramp behind the local Ace Hardware store with the left front on the dock and the 3 others still on the ground <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Curtis Medrano-Machlan:
<STRONG>I scored a whopping 910 on a 30 degree ramp with the FRONT tires</STRONG>


Damn dude...that's some flex. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

As for the Scout width... I think that Scout II's are wider by a few inches--Body only. I don't know what the frame width is but early Scouts are 32" on center all the way back,

Originally posted by Curtis Medrano-Machlan:
<STRONG>I swaped all my springs at the same time with the 58" rear Chevy springs (just 6 of the leafs in each pack). AND, I scored a whopping 910 on a 30 degree ramp with the FRONT tires. In fact, I can drive it up and over a 4' loading ramp behind the local Ace Hardware store with the left front on the dock and the 3 others still on the ground <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"></STRONG>


I don't suppose you have any pictures of the spring swap. I've been debating what to do about springs. Do you have to offset the center pin? I'd appreciate any pics or advice you have. Thanks
Travis

Originally posted by Overkiller:
<STRONG>
I don't suppose you have any pictures of the spring swap. I've been debating what to do about springs. Do you have to offset the center pin? I'd appreciate any pics or advice you have. Thanks
Travis</STRONG>

Unfortunately, neither of my cameras work. There are a few guys around who do though so I will try to get some pics of the underside.

However, the '70 something rear Chevy springs are offset. The hole is 4" closer to one end than the other (closer to the rear on the Chevy). I turned the springs around in the rear and left them the right way in the front. This makes the short end of the packs look at each other. I did this because I already extended the frame rails in the front by 4 inches.

In addition, the springs are 2 1/2" wide but 3" where the eye hole goes through. This made it simple for spring mounts because I just put 1/4" plate on each side of the frame, welded, drilled the hole and the spring fit in there perfectly <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

It also made putting the shackle mounts in easy too. What I did was cut an 1 1/2" hole in the frame, put in some 1 1/2" x 0.120 wall tubing, use some CJ spring bushings, and the shackle mounts are in the frame and bullet proof. You can see that part in this picture, including the mistake hole I drilled <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> and how I extended the front of the frame all the way to the front bumper.

<IMG width=165 height=127 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/curtisfrontshackle.jpg">

I'll try to get more pics for ya.

Stop it fawkers <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

I'm starting to get the itch for FW 60's. Must focus on SOA first. Must delete post to save me........

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See what you've done.....

Joe

I've almost got my the front end swapped into my Scout, (Fullsize Dana 60 from a Chevy), and with the 44" Boggers & my wheels with 2.5" of backspacing, the Duck is exactly 8 foot wide. It looks REALLY good (at least my opinion), the fullsize swap just brings out a lot of attitude, but then again so do 44" Boggers.. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Matt Green. Do you have any pictures of your scout. It sounds damn near what I want for mine.
~Erik

Originally posted by jdjanda:
<STRONG>Stop it fawkers <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

I'm starting to get the itch for FW 60's. Must focus on SOA first. Must delete post to save me........

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See what you've done.....

Joe</STRONG>


Joe, I'll put it like this. Don't waste your time with anything else. Go big cause you'll eventually want to go there.

I got my Scout back in '97. In early '98 a friend and I were at the Reno PNP. He pointed out a front and rear '60 I could have picked up for UNDER $300. I said no way cause I'd never need anything that big. What a moronic move THAT was.

Originally posted by Curtis Medrano-Machlan:
<STRONG>Unfortunately, neither of my cameras work. There are a few guys around who do though so I will try to get some pics of the underside.

However, the '70 something rear Chevy springs are offset. The hole is 4" closer to one end than the other (closer to the rear on the Chevy). I turned the springs around in the rear and left them the right way in the front. This makes the short end of the packs look at each other. I did this because I already extended the frame rails in the front by 4 inches.

In addition, the springs are 2 1/2" wide but 3" where the eye hole goes through. This made it simple for spring mounts because I just put 1/4" plate on each side of the frame, welded, drilled the hole and the spring fit in there perfectly <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

It also made putting the shackle mounts in easy too. What I did was cut an 1 1/2" hole in the frame, put in some 1 1/2" x 0.120 wall tubing, use some CJ spring bushings, and the shackle mounts are in the frame and bullet proof. You can see that part in this picture, including the mistake hole I drilled <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> and how I extended the front of the frame all the way to the front bumper.

<IMG width=165 height=127 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/curtisfrontshackle.jpg">

I'll try to get more pics for ya.</STRONG>

Thanks for the info. Have you noticed any problem with your pinion angle due to the offset centerpin? That's really the only thing keeping me from running really long springs on my beast. I can't wait to see some more pictures and some action shots when you get a chance.
Travis

I don't have any pics of it yet, as of right now I've only got the front axle in it, and its not even in all the way yet. The tires are on it, but I've gotta fab a u-bolt plate for the passenger side. I used 4" lift springs with spring over to get the clearance, and it clears them with quite a bit of room left over... I've also got a 3" body lift, but I'm considering switching to maybe some 2.5" springs, or just removing a leaf or two out of the 4" springs, just to get a little bit of flex outta them. The stuff for my 1/4 elliptic should be here by next week... so as soon as I get everything done to it I'll be sure and post some pics...

Originally posted by Overkiller:
<STRONG>Thanks for the info. Have you noticed any problem with your pinion angle due to the offset centerpin? That's really the only thing keeping me from running really long springs on my beast. I can't wait to see some more pictures and some action shots when you get a chance.
Travis</STRONG>

I used long enough shackles to keep the pinion and caster angle correct. I think my shackles in the front are 8.5" long but remember they go through the frame and not a regular shackle mount.